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[Anonymous No.13423785]

I wish I could flick a switch and make myself religious, even if it meant making me dumber. I wasn't raised with religion and so it's very hard to put aside my skepticism and believe, I would always be LARPing.

[Anonymous No.13423786]

You’re trying to start with the presumption of Christ.
Start with the presumption of the eternal self and go from there

[Anonymous No.13423793]

>>13423785
umm... sweaty, theres nothing dumb about believing in truth...

[Anonymous No.13423797]

>>13423785
A personal relationship with God is the only thing in this world that makes sense

[Anonymous No.13423806]

>>13423797
Could you elaborate on why you say that? Not gonna tip the fedora, I'm legit interested

>>13423786
I've read a bit of shankara's commentaries and some mahayana sutras and really enjoyed them. On some level it makes more sense than Christianity but it still feels hard to take a leap

[Anonymous No.13423817]

>>13423785
You can try becoming an alcoholic/junkie and then becoming religious, it's how most non believers become believers

[Anonymous No.13423845]

>>13423785
Honestly I was the same way, I rejected atheism as evil but never could find it within myself to accept religion in any honest way.
The more I got into philosophy the more God made sense, particularly the hierarchy of immaterial things (like good being a foundation to justice and justice to charity etc and logic being a foundation math uses), and it just makes sense for God to be there. It makes way less sense to say he's not. Exactly how or what God is I don't mind speculating because I know I'm wrong (he could be an alien kid who we are the science fair project or we, clearly anthropomorphically ridiculous) but I know he must be knowable otherwise we couldn't even perceive goodness or justice etc. It's just a matter of finding him and I'll drop christianity if it gets in the way of me finding God. I've found morality to necessarily be objective, it's just a matter of finding objectivity in other immaterial things and working my way back towards God. The step before God is finding the essence of goodness in an applicable sense. It's my life's mission. That's why I accept God.

[Anonymous No.13423846]

>>13423806
Ever since I was a kid I was brought up to acknowledge the one God. I liked praying and what not. But when everyone started to go bad, corrupted, betrayed by everyone, the frailty of humans as such, I became very aware that my relationship with God was always perfect and I always prayed and spoke to God. Why this, why that, help me, God please, etc. It’s kind of like talking with the world, and you pick up for signs. Signs appear in your mind, dreams or reality. But they are like miracles, because they are so significant. I think it’s just a constant communication with reality, and realizing that this communication is magic. I realized I can do it through music, or writing, or people even. Conversing with people, that moment you wake them up or turn them on. It’s all part of the same one. “The nature of every thing is no thing”. There is a trace, bonds of relations, and you need only to believe to pluck them, then tune them, and with a little practice, play music with your life and days.

[Anonymous No.13423848]

>>13423797
to you

[Anonymous No.13423859]

>>13423785
>I've read a bit of shankara's commentaries and some mahayana sutras and really enjoyed them. On some level it makes more sense than Christianity but it still feels hard to take a leap

Try Alan Watts (youtube). The truth is, it's not simply theism vs atheism cut and dry.
He's a sort of spiritual secularist - there may be no romantic leap of faith to take but there is a beauty to it that IMO vastly transcends any theism in the numinous sense.

[Anonymous No.13423876]

Oftentimes if you larp hard enough it makes you believe eventually, but I don't know why you'd want to believe what you know isn't the truth anyway

[Anonymous No.13423957]

Read Coleridge, Newman, and others. At least try to discern the true characteristics of the religion before you go hunting around for new age stuff or foreign curiosities.

[Anonymous No.13423990]

>>13423957
New age doesn’t mean anything as a signifier and you know that

[Anonymous No.13424034]

>>13423785
>I wish I could flick a switch and make myself religious
Same here, it must be comforting to truly believe.

[Anonymous No.13424038]

>>13423785
Have you tried praying about it?

[Anonymous No.13424041]

>>13424034
what is impeding your belief?

[Anonymous No.13424051]

>>13423785
why?

[Anonymous No.13424062]

>>13423785
Been there.

All you need to do is learn about biohistory and how catholicism is simply the essence of millenia of human societal interaction. Christian rules are the rules which will benefit society the most, and with it the individual. After realising that you do not need the "God" to follow the rules, you will follow them from a rational perspective ad still enjoy the traditional latin mass. You can she jesus as the human Götterfunken, the essnce of the indo-european soul after millenia of cultural changes.

The supernatural parts are simply there, because every high religion needs to include retards, and the later can only follow a supernatural entity judging and condeming them. Meanwhile the actual priest class can understand the reasons due to human nature.

We are getically preprogrammed to become religious, some of us can'T because we are disgenic mutans. But we can make ourselfs. Most conversions happen in times of massive psychological stress, so that the brain can remain sane. This means if you really want to convert and she something supernatural, you have to bring yourself on the brink of death through fear and suffering. Peace is what makes atheists for a reason. I got my conversion after nearly offing myself after 15 years of chronic massive depression.

We're all gonna make it, anon.

[Anonymous No.13424079]

Religious people aren't dumb.

[Anonymous No.13424111]

>>13424041
>what is impeding your belief?
The fact that all religions are so obviously made up.

[Anonymous No.13424121]

>>13424079
AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHA

[Anonymous No.13424123]

>>13424111
So is everything else in the word, besides mathematics. Religion are just societal rules made into divine obligations to make sure that people in the future will stick to this eugenic paths. If you can't even comprehend that, you're just edgy, not "too smart" to become religious.

[Anonymous No.13424127]

convert to Wicca, dumbass

[Anonymous No.13424138]

Do you realize that the reason you feel like you wish to be religious is because you have been brainwashed from childhood to feel dependent on a higher power? Religion really is the dregs of the human mind.

[Anonymous No.13424143]

>>13424123
So you're saying that it doesn't matter whether it's true or not I should just believe it anyway?
That was my original point, I wish I could do that.

Or are you saying I should just pretend to believe it even though I know it to be false.

[Anonymous No.13424144]

>>13423785
if you want to study religious texts to better understand the lessons and morals they tried to get across, that's one thing. but the spirit of god resides within each and every one of us, being spiritual and religious are two different things.

[Anonymous No.13424148]

>>13424143
But it is true. God is a hard fact. Whether or not certain religions are "made up" has little bearing on this fact.

[Anonymous No.13424152]

>>13424121
It's true. If you control for ethnicity and economic status religious people consistently outscore atheists on IQ tests by a standard deviation.

[Anonymous No.13424153]

>>13423859
but he worships a snake with hair. He's deliberately larping which the op wants to avoid.

[Anonymous No.13424158]

>>13424148
I wish I had your unshakeable faith, I really do.
God bless you!

[Anonymous No.13424159]

>>13424143
What is truth? Does it matter if there is a God if 99% of all rules in a certain religion are eugenic and beneficial to a lifeform? Especially if saying that there is help it even more, because it alo includes stupid people?

Religion is a evolutionary benefit which is why all non-mutans have the inherit desire to believe, and even those feeling supieror and atheistic still believe - just in another made up religion like feminism, Wicca or Ayylmaos of any other path. Humans are believers, we can't change that. We can only pick wisely those concepts which have stood the test of time.

Read Biohistory by Penmen and Listen to the Jolly Heretic if you're still new to ths subject. Religion is supergenerational dicipline.

[Anonymous No.13424164]

>>13423785
>>13424034
Take LSD and listen to Jonathan Bowden.

[Anonymous No.13424166]

>>13424158
You said you "know it to be false" [God]. Is this not faith? No, it is obviously a fact, no faith required. (we'll ignore that knowledge entails faith). So, you should have no problem presenting an argument that demonstrates the nonexistence of God?

[Anonymous No.13424168]

>>13424159
That may all be true but if I can't believe I can't get relief from the massive existential nightmare of my life.

[Anonymous No.13424173]

>>13424166
>you should have no problem presenting an argument that demonstrates the nonexistence of God
Your Mom, there's your argument that demonstrates the nonexistence of God

[Anonymous No.13424175]

>>13423785
Christianity is LARPING so you're right. Why do you need a label for your spiritual feelings?

[Anonymous No.13424176]

>>13423848
cringe
>>13424062
>the essnce of the indo-europea
he was jewish mate

[Anonymous No.13424178]

>>13424175
Christianity is the truth.
Repent or walk in your sin and perish in fire.

[Anonymous No.13424179]

>>13424168
Fake it till you make it. Participate, learn the latin rosary, pray and act like a passionate catholic. Sooner or later you will actually get the psychological benefits and actually think like one. You will seek a priest for comfort. You will fall ont your knees in despair when life gets hard.

Write to a FSSPX priest and ask him for guideance. Be honest and tell him you're looking for God but do not know where to start. DO NOT engage in Novus Ordo mass and other nonsense. It's been corrupted to destroy the faith in the second vatican council.

You're already on your way to become a believer, you will understand in the coming months. Believe me. Ask for proper help and you will get to where you want to be.

[Anonymous No.13424182]

>>13424178
Lol, the average theology students know more than Jesus. Let's not talk about the Indians and neoplatonists, they will humiliate you christcucks.

[Anonymous No.13424184]

>>13424062
>Been there. All you need to do is learn about biohistory and how catholicism is simply the essence of millenia of human societal interaction. Christian rules are the rules which will benefit society the most, and with it the individual. After realising that you do not need the "God" to follow the rules, you will follow them from a rational perspective ad still enjoy the traditional latin mass. You can she jesus as the human Götterfunken, the essnce of the indo-european soul after millenia of cultural changes. The supernatural parts are simply there, because every high religion needs to include retards, and the later can only follow a supernatural entity judging and condeming them. Meanwhile the actual priest class can understand the reasons due to human nature. We are getically preprogrammed to become religious, some of us can'T because we are disgenic mutans. But we can make ourselfs. Most conversions happen in times of massive psychological stress, so that the brain can remain sane. This means if you really want to convert and she something supernatural, you have to bring yourself on the brink of death through fear and suffering. Peace is what makes atheists for a reason. I got my conversion after nearly offing myself after 15 years of chronic massive depression. We're all gonna make it, anon.

[Anonymous No.13424187]

>>13424176
>he was jewish
Way to deny all the describtions of him clearly showng that he was from anotehr tribe and barely culturally hebrew - not jewish. Jews by definition are the hebrews which denied Jesus since his crucifixion, all other hebrews have become christians. Muh "jesus jew" is a D&C from said Chruch of the antichrist.

Read and understand:
https://acompanyofnations.wordpress.com/?fbclid=IwAR2Bh-6m6Ir427TN-c5Md50hX-ljVTsB4tzyPO4KkKgq637uX7pzj6EBTlU

[Anonymous No.13424189]

>>13424179
OK, Thanks, I'll do that then.
God bless you!

[Anonymous No.13424197]

>>13423785
You're not like them, anon. You are superior. Faith isn't a virtue as they claim.

If you really want to turn to the darkside just transcend rationality and make the leap into faith. You can't reason your way there, you must simply believe.

But don't do that.

[Anonymous No.13424201]

>>13424187
Jesus was Hebrew he was not Aryan

[Anonymous No.13424203]

>>13423846
I own numerous fedoras but I enjoyed this.

[Anonymous No.13424210]

>>13424189
It never hurts to also listen to gregorian chant and other classics. It is so emotionally stimulating that you can speed up your brain rewireing through good music. Put up a cruzifix to remind yourself visually. Dress modestly and honorable, even as a man. Read about different christian fanatics like the Amish to see how a simple and faithfull life benefits them. Try to see and do everything in your life within the Catholic/ whatever denominations dogma (but stay away frmo new agey christians - the more traditional and fundamental, the easer a conversion will be, due to better and clearer guidance).

God bless and we'll see each other on the other side.

[Anonymous No.13424216]

>>13424210
>gregorian chant

cringe larp

[Anonymous No.13424220]

>>13424210
Amen brother, God bless!

[Anonymous No.13424221]

>>13424201
For fucks sake, do you even know what the term indo-european means? It's not just blonde scandi-fucks, you brainlet. All modern populations are a mix of neolithic farmers, WHG, Cromags and what not. The IE soul and will to power is still there, just with another mask put on. Jesus, just like christianiyt, has changed to accomodate the different people believing in it and europeans had never had such a beneficial guidance before, as can be seen in our history since the adoption of it (don't fall for kike "le dark ages" propaganda).

And in the end it's not the man, it's the idea which matters. Just like nobody cares how the great heros of the Ilias looked or what ancestors they had. What matters are their deeds and their usability for us.

[Anonymous No.13424231]

>>13424079
Most of them are.

[Anonymous No.13424232]

>>13424221
jesus was not from hyperborrea fuck off your larp if you told him your cringe theory he would think you were a dumbass

[Anonymous No.13424248]

>>13424232
Nobody living today is pure hyperborrean you stupid nigger brainlet. Back in Yamnaya time they were already mutted. AGAIN, just like Spengler said, this purity spiraling is beyond retarded when we speak about metaphysical concepts. Go back to the containment board if all you can reply with is muh aryanism and muh kikel. While the JQ is very important and so is ethnic diversity (read: not miscegenegating), you do not understand wht is beeing talked here and merely adopt a meme understanding of whatever the mainstream has taught you.

[Anonymous No.13424274]

>>13424248
My friend, you just said the 'jewish question' and 'ethnic diversity' is important. You and metaphysics are not close. You aren't part of some underground resistance of truth, you just browsed /pol/ too much because you are lame.

[Anonymous No.13424282]

>>13424231
Most of them are POC. Why are you a racist?

[Anonymous No.13424287]

>>13424274
Denial of reality doesn't suit you, anon. You can go and about claiming that the topics at hand are delusions of some containment board or you could actually read the available literature from both their own ethnic members and the other side to form your own opinion. Denying ethnic differences is really pathetic in the year of our lord 2019.

[Anonymous No.13424401]

>>13423806
Not the guy you're responding to but I've experienced life with prayer and I've experienced life without it. When we're on the search for God, we're so busy trying to find some type of objective truth to persuade us, so busy trying to make sense of it all through reading and discussions that we don't take time to truly find God where he always dwells, which is in silence. Spend some time in prayer, ask Christ to reveal himself to you. Meditate on his mysteries. Meditate on why you want God in your life. If you're willing, even pray the rosary. I can guarantee you very quickly that you will find what you're looking for.

[Anonymous No.13424420]

Dating prayer/meditation and seclusion are mandatory for finding God if you cant any other way.
Going to a monastery for a month may help or just a cabin in the woods. But get the Bible.

[Anonymous No.13424551]

>>13423859
I am sympathetic to Watts but there absolutely is a comparable "leap of faith" to be made. He even says that most westerners who go to "gurus" WANT there to be some sort of trials or process because they aren't capable of waking up to the truth without it. They can't take the leap.

>>13424062
Absolutely horrendous, religion for modern cowards. You have managed to assume the trappings of religious life while still finding a way to feel superior to other religious people.

>>13424111
If its so obvious then why has the religious phenomena refused to go away like other things? Phrenology was quick to go once we realized how silly it was, for example. Read some William James, Varieties of Religious Experience, there is SOMETHING worth looking at very seriously in religion, its not all just intellectual games and delusion.

>>13424123
>he thinks mathematics has serious ontological grounding
o i am laffin

>>13424164
Crazy-tier advice but not bad advice honestly

>>13424179
This is a good post OP

>>13424182
Neoplatonism has been a part of the Christian tradition almost since its inception, I don't know why you think there is a strict difference between the two

[Anonymous No.13424839]

>>13423785
I was raised Catholic, I even was an altar boy at my Church but I never have or experience that thing called 'faith'. Aesthetic attraction and some kind of intellectual enjoyment? Well, of course but nothing else. I can't help it, God only knows how much I try everyday. I want to believe but I can't do it. I've come to the conclusion that some of us were born atheists or inherently skepticals.

[Anonymous No.13424890]

>>13424138
>I'm so independent guys
>watch me be beholden to everyone who gives me language, technology, social mannerisms etc literally everything
I'm 16 yo and ayn rand is the most compelling literature I've ever read the post

[Anonymous No.13425052]

>>13423785
Wast majority of so called religious people are LARPing, they treat religion as fetish, surround themselves with religious attributes but it don't stop them from living like degenerate, they are too dumb and don't have time to study religious texts.

[Anonymous No.13425196]

>>13425052
That's with literally anything. What is your point? The vast majority of people can't commit to any ideology or value system enough to dedicate their lives to it.

[Anonymous No.13425208]

>>13424216
I have never understood this style of bait. How is it live action role playing to listen to traditional music. What would be the better alternative? If Churches sing traditional music, these sort of posts call it larping. If they sing modern music, these sort of posts call it trashy and new age. If there is no music then these sort of posts call it spiritually dead. There really is no pleasing 4chan

[Anonymous No.13425218]

>>13425052
Sadly.
Most /pol/ users don’t care about the morals of Jesus but will gladly pretend to be Christians because the religion hates gay people.

[Anonymous No.13425631]

>>13423786
>Christ
>the eternal self
pick both

[Anonymous No.13425704]

>>13424062
This kind of instrumental, materialist, box-checking Catholicism is total garbage. No better than the Pharisees.
The only thing in here that is at all redeemable is that humans are innately religious, which is true.
OP, honestly I’d start there. Having an understanding of the fundamentally, paradoxically religious nature Western secularism, and approaching it with the same attitude you have towards what you presently recognize as religious faith, is usually pretty eye opening. John Gray’s Straw Dogs and Soul of the Marionette are very good here. The idea of God sacrificing himself for our sins is a lot less far-fetched than the unwittingly religious secular discourse today.

[Anonymous No.13425867]

>>13424839
You were made so by the world.
You cling to the world since that's the only thing you know.
One day you will have to push yourself to your limit and you'll wish God was there for you and God will be.

[Anonymous No.13426561]

>>13425196
This is because the vast majority of ideologies or value systems aren't worth dedicating one's life towards it; the faith of commitment isn't returned faithfully. People like you blame people rather than systems for their inadequacy.

[Anonymous No.13426593]

Read Stanley Hauerwas OP.

[Anonymous No.13426665]

>>13424839
Faith is not the same thing as knowledge. A statement like "Jesus is Lord" is of a different order than a statement like "George Washington was the first president."

The latter belongs to knowledge and is valid within the framework of historical knowledge. The former, while involving history, is valid within a framework of faith.

You cannot make yourself have faith. Faith is a gift from God that unfolds in many layers. It is not a creed, though it involves creeds. It also involves looking at a flower and knowing it came from God. It means trusting in the existence of a reality and an order of truth beyond scientific facts.

It cannot be had without prayer.

It would be wise to seek out guidance from a church. Start showing up and introducing yourself; go where you are invited. Make an effort to graft yourself onto God's people. Speak about your concerns and unbelief honestly. People will help show you the way.

[Anonymous No.13426876]

>>13424062
>dude what if I don't really believe but pretend to believe because it is advantageous for the species and the brain wants to remain sane n shiet
Reeks of modern naturalism. Back to your Peterson videos, """Christian atheist""".

[Anonymous No.13426954]

You should start with questioning materialism. Once you understand that there is no reason to posit the existence of matter, you open the door to religion, free will, objective morality, the paranormal and life after death.

[Anonymous No.13426992]

>>13426876
You can call it whatever you like, it's still true. Not all of us can naturally fall into faith and for these it is far easier to examine the evidance available and use it to convince ourselves in another way. Shouldn't you be glad that God world is so perfectly made that we can actually rationally get to know him? That's the main difference between christianity and all other religions. Christians believe in the world being, on average, rational and perfect, making it able to learn from it about ourselves and through that cherish his work even more and praise him.

Trashtalking people for using the brains given to us to find god is pretty much the definition of brain envy, even blasphemy, when you say that nobody can get to know god in any other way but being born with faith. Ironically it's quite the opposite. Converts are much more zealous than cradle faithlets, because they actually worked and learned their way into the faith.

Pray about god giving you something to humble yourself.

[Anonymous No.13427046]

>>13426992
You sure you replied to the correct post?

[Anonymous No.13427104]

>>13427046
I replied to you adressing my comment. I take it that you misslinked or missunderstood my points?

[Anonymous No.13427153]

>>13426992
My friend, I am 22 years old and in an existential crisis, I'll have to choose what to pursue in university soon and I'm not quite sure what to choose. I want to choose between philosophy or theology. It will be a study of four years. I am not a Christian at the moment, but I am interested in it and I can see myself growing towards it more in the future. Can you give me some advice? Much appreciated

[Anonymous No.13427203]

>>13427153
First of: Do not study something out of interested if you live in america. Study something proper which will pay your bills and make that ridiculous investment reasonable. Otherwise go to a trade school. If you're not in burger land, I still wouldn't recommend studying neither before you haven't actually worked for your daily bread. We have enough young folks without a understanding of the world trying to claim they know the world. Both are studies for your old age, to never stop learning. You also can always study it as a side course.

So far for the real life advice. But thankfully you can get to know all you need from books and priests through private study. Always keep in mind that yor existancial crisis might feel real, but it's just biological hormornal chaos, which will last for a couple more years. Once you're beyind 27 you will have a much clearer mind, do nothing of lasting effect before that.

If you want to grow in your faith go to a proper FSSPX priest (check out their website) and ask for guidance. They are great and will even come to visit you. Maybe even go into a monastry for a month. This will clear your mind. Visit a latin mass each sunday and get to know more faithfull people which will also help you further in your studies and social change.

If you're not Catholic, go for the next best traditional thing like orthodox or whtever america has to offer. In either case, the priests will be the biggest help for you.

[Anonymous No.13427669]

>>13423785

[Anonymous No.13427675]

>>13427203
Your advice is pleasant and would do well for that anon, but you don't just join a monastery for a month. Being a monk is a serious vocation and not some new age escapism where you can just be a monk for a month then quit. If you mean a retreat, then that would be much more appropriate.
Also, I think it's in bad taste to assume that only FSSP or SSPX priests are good and traditional. I go to a High Latin Mass every weekend that is just as traditional, but not part of either order.

[Anonymous No.13427846]

>>13423785
watch every video on this channel
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GBT9LasyC3E

[Anonymous No.13427880]

>>13423846
I do this without God. It's your subconscious, a lot of the time you know the answer but don't want to face it, asking yourself for the answer brings it out. The other times you just haven't thought it out and you're making yourself do it.

You're talking to yourself, not God.

[Anonymous No.13428080]

>>13423785
start with the motherfucking greeks

>>13423786
fpbp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotelian_theology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Ways_(Aquinas)

[Anonymous No.13428116]

>>13423785
Read Pascal and Kierkegaard

[Average Joe No.13428359]

>>13423785
Born catholic -> started questioning god and religion at age 12 because of a traumatic death in my family -> Fully fledged fedora at 14 -> started thinking about the possibility of one god again at 17 -> Very spiritual and religious at 19

The core idea that changed for me when i became religious again was the reason for being. The atheist in me would say that we are here purely because of chance; in an infinite universe over an infinite amount of time life like us would form purely due to chance. This still makes logical sense to me but i dont feel that this is our reason for being here. I feel a connection to something that i cant quite fathom nor describe but it feels like a path. I used to get high with some friends and talk with them about this mosaic looking think that was made up of feelings and emotions and experiences that we could feel when listening to certain music. I think that might be a window into the path that god may have for us or some sort of way of understanding that path given to us in our subconscious by god.

I started reading some buddhist texts and listening to experienced buddhists talk about their views of life and its meanings and i remember feeling correlations with what i remembered from being at mass as a kid. So then i started reading the bible. The bible is a misconceived text in my opinion. People listen to it as fact and not as the collective group of ideas that it is. In my view it dosent matter if jesus ever existed but that he is the symbol of the perfect human; someone who truly -believed in god-(listen to J.Peterson about believing in god to understand what i meant by that phrase there)

Hope this helps, if the thread is still up in the morning ill reply to any queries about my belief if anybody cares.

[Average Joe No.13428397]

>>13426665
>Faith is a gift from god

I agree bro, but why do you think has god only given this gift to some of us?

I also feel quite bad for people who say they dont believe because my faith in God brings me so much happiness and is the Light in the darkness for me so i try to explain that to skeptics(one of which i used to be) but i guess different approaches work with different people

[Anonymous No.13428754]

>>13428397
Some gifts are given freely, often times they are given when we ask. I think anyone who wants faith in the depths of their heart may have it.

[Anonymous No.13429834]

>>13427203
Thank you for your advice. While I appreciate your effort, it doen't really apply to my life. I live in Europe and I am financiallly independent. I can easily live and study without having to go to work. I probably will never have to work because of a financial point of view. But I already have a teacher's degree so in the future I'll probably work as a teacher because I enjoy doing that work. I live in Belgium which is one of the most secular countries of Europe and there are nearly no priests or religious communities around either.

[Anonymous No.13429913]

>>13427880
You think I haven’t thought of this before? It’s the obvious answer. But it’s obvious in the sense that it’s the answer that would most likely be “common sense”. What’s common is the story everyone participates and believes in, so naturally you have this conscious and subconscious/unconscious dichotomy. When I was really struggling with my faith, contributed by Freud and Schopenhauer, I stopped that conversation and just began “talking with myself.” Everything went down hill from that. It wasn’t until I read Heidegger that I began to question “common sense”, the obvious, etc. The philosophical investigation into Being was a lot of jargon that made little sense, but the reminded me of my faith, it was so strong. I kept trying to read being and time not because it was enjoyable or I understood it but it felt right, it felt like something I understood and had neglected. When I understood what Heidegger was saying I finally felt free again, free to wonder, open to the way, the revealing, which is not you, it’s not the world, it’s where you and the world merge. Yet Heidegger was very strictly whipped by a kind explicationism he adopted from Husserl and Aristotle. His Holderin finale and poetic thinking towards the end of his life told me there was something missing. And then came Hegel and Plato. If you’ve read Plato you know. And if you Hegel than you understand. “God is God only so far as he knows himself. his self-knowledge is, further, a self-consciousness in man and man’s knowledge of God, which proceeds to man’s self-knowledge in God.”

[Anonymous No.13429934]

>>13427880
You think I haven’t thought of this before? It’s the obvious answer. But it’s obvious in the sense that it’s the answer that would most likely be “common sense”. What’s common is the story everyone participates and believes in, so naturally you have this conscious and subconscious/unconscious dichotomy. When I was really struggling with my faith, contributed by Freud and Schopenhauer, I stopped that conversation and just began “talking with myself.” Everything went down hill from that. It wasn’t until I read Heidegger that I began to question “common sense”, the obvious, etc. The philosophical investigation into Being was a lot of jargon that made little sense, but the reminded me of my faith, it was so strong. I kept trying to read being and time not because it was enjoyable or I understood it but it felt right, it felt like something I understood and had neglected. When I understood what Heidegger was saying I finally felt free again, free to wonder, open to the way, the revealing, which is not you, it’s not the world, it’s where you and the world merge. Yet Heidegger was very strictly whipped by a kind explicationism he adopted from Husserl and Aristotle. His Holderin finale and poetic thinking towards the end of his life told me there was something missing. And then came Hegel and Plato. If you’ve read Plato you know. And if you Hegel than you understand. “God is God only so far as he knows himself. his self-knowledge is, further, a self-consciousness in man and man’s knowledge of God, which proceeds to man’s self-knowledge in God.”

[Anonymous No.13429950]

>>13424062
> Christian rules are the rules which will benefit society the most
can we stop this meme already
this must be a meme
y-you're larping right

>most conversations happen in times of massive psychological stress
>15 years of depression
we get it, you believe in God because it makes you feel good.

[Anonymous No.13430475]

>>13423793
>sweaty
Why can no one spell anymore? Is Amerifat education really that horrendous?

[Anonymous No.13431144]

>>13429950
>can we stop this meme already
It'S a evolutionary fact. Of course you can substitute the other major religions for the other races, which obviously need different societal rules due to different eco-envoirements and therefore societies.

>we get it, you believe in God because it makes you feel good.
That's why a healthy brain makes you a believer in a higher power. Falling into nihilism means becoming an evolutionary death end, as can be seen on atheistic populatiosn and their birth numbers. A people without suffering stop believing in God because there is nothing to explain the pain in a greater context, which is why throughout the war years people became much more religiously active. It's your bodies way of coping with unexplainable suffering as well as culturall epigenetics in terms of societal rules. Religion is massivly beneficial. Like it or not, that's not gonna change any time soon.

>>13429834
Well, if you don't have to ever think about money, feel free to study whatever you would like. Although I still believe that at least having worked a couple years bodily, meaning something which steels your physique will benefit a man. Healthy body, healthy mind. Work a low wage dirty job for the experience of pain and abstention, it will be a good start for your theological studies. After all, understanding christianity means understanding the concept of self-chastisement through fasting, giving up your suffering etc. Something you might not otherwise get in your financial security.

>>13427675
>retreat
That's what I meant.
While you're right about FSSP/SSPX not beeing perfect or the only ones, they are the ones I can personally recommend without hesistation. Otherwise it's hard to know if OP and others might actually get real help or meet some retarded clown world priest, therefore thinking THAT's actually the real deal. Novus Ordo simply can no borders in terms of degeneracy, while it obviously can be traditional as well. Personally as soon as I see them clap and shake hands at mass, it's over for me, let alone girls and women helping the priest out.

[Anonymous No.13431236]

>>13427153
>existencial crisis

just because you are note sure about your pursue in university ?

[Anonymous No.13431431]

>>13424062
>you do not need the "God" to follow the rules
essence of the anti-christ

[Anonymous No.13431448]

I understand this feel. I'm not sure if I believe in god or just the idea of god. I'm not sure if my prayers are genuine or just empty words repeated to myself. Do I really believe or am I just lying to myself because I want to believe?

[Anonymous No.13431496]

>>13431431
Quote the bible or any desert father saying that.
And keep in mind that nowhere did I say that you do not need God, pretty much the opposite, I said you don't need to believe in him as the status quo to follow his rules in hopes of aquiereing faith. Just like you would recommending praying to a non-believer which wishes to learn to know god, despite praying as an unbeliever would be just the same "following the rules without God". God is the goal, his rules are both to sheppard us and lead us to him.

Next time try to actually understand the points made or do not reply to a conversation which goes over your head. Cradle christians thinking that only their by birth path is legit, as no better than jews thinking they are still part of the convent simply by right of blood, despite having killed Gods son.

[Anonymous No.13432171]

>>13424179
I prefer the Latin rite, but do not say NO is invalid.

[Anonymous No.13433446]

>>13423785
>I wish I could flick a switch and make myself religious, even if it meant making me dumber.
thats a great start OP, everyone need spirituality , its in our instincts to seek God
>I wasn't raised with religion and so it's very hard to put aside my skepticism and believe
so you think your skepticism is problem and thats probably true.What makes you a skeptics ? What are the main reasons behind your skepticism ? Why are skeptic?