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Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:00:17 2019 No.13872640 [DELETED]

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>tfw realized traditionalism is for contrarian losers
anyone else realize this? think I am going to get into marxism where should I start?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:02:46 2019 No.13872656 Wage Labor and Capital. Brumaire Das Kapital

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:04:14 2019 No.13872666 >>13872656 And a ticket to Venezuela

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:05:24 2019 No.13872676 >>13872666 Not Marxist

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:05:50 2019 No.13872681 >>13872640 Traditionalism by Evola is for losers. Traditionalism by Guenon is for smart people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:06:05 2019 No.13872683 >>13872640 Traditionalism = broke Traditionalist Catholicism = woke

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:08:33 2019 No.13872696 >>13872681 Nah all of Traditionalism is for contrarian losers stop shilling a literal who pseudomystical reactionary midwit on here

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:12:54 2019 No.13872720 >>13872683 Tradcat = broke /reformed/ = woke

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:15:29 2019 No.13872731 File: 52 KB, 284x432, 436351._UY432_SS432___01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13872640

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:17:23 2019 No.13872735 >>13872640 Very good. The sooner you realize this the better. Traditionalism is a cope for incels. Women love Marxists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:18:09 2019 No.13872741 File: 20 KB, 512x512, aiportraits_1563760656.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13872640 Skip marxism and read something that applies to our world

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:18:53 2019 No.13872744 >>13872735 Incredibly subtle and good bait :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:19:05 2019 No.13872746 >>13872741 Ok recommend me Marxism

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:19:34 2019 No.13872750 >>13872640 I am the opposite, I am becoming more conservative as time goes on

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:21:25 2019 No.13872759 >>13872750 aka becoming a contrarian loser

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:21:27 2019 No.13872760 a book about irony, literally any book about irony

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:22:29 2019 No.13872764 Is marxism not contrarian?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:25:42 2019 No.13872781 Congrats on trading impotent cope for impotent cope

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:28:03 2019 No.13872795 >>13872764 No Marxism is fine. If you think there is anything wrong with it you've been fed corporate propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:32:01 2019 No.13872812 >>13872781 This There's nothing you can do to change the way the world is going. Only thing left to do is accept it and enjoy what you can

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:34:51 2019 No.13872831 File: 26 KB, 313x499, 5177ePQDNQL._SX311_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13872640 Start here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:40:44 2019 No.13872861 >>13872795 Ok, still doesnt make it not a contrarian position

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:21:37 2019 No.13873098 File: 60 KB, 700x435, 1561998096478.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13872640

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:24:08 2019 No.13873119 >>13872640 Probably start with the Peterson vs Zizek debate where J. B. P. DEMOLISHES the communist ideology. Thank me later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:25:21 2019 No.13873128 >>13872640 take the hippy liberation pill or forever be unhappy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:26:22 2019 No.13873139 >>13873128 libertarian*

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:33:01 2019 No.13873180

>>13872812
The general trajectory may be set, but it is possible to build microcosms that buck the trend to some degree. Things won't be totally homogenous.

Adopting your kind of passivity is the final negation of possibility. As long as resistance persists, so do alternate potentialities.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:39:43 2019 No.13873597 >>13872831 good paper, if you read it as against jews you are actually retarded

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:47:41 2019 No.13873655
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>>13872640
>he thinks a society can be designed on paper and function exactly as it is supposed to
You know, there's a reason Marxism has been attempted countless times and never worked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:50:54 2019 No.13873668 >>13872666 If you're trad then you should be moving to Pakistan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:52:50 2019 No.13873678 >>13873668 I love how you picked a place like Pakistan instead of, say, Japan. Meanwhile, there's North Korea and Venezuela who are currently the closest countries to actual Marxism.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:00:32 2019 No.13874152

>>13873668
based

"traditionalism" on its own is pointless, what are you trying to preserve?
You should come to traditionalist ideas through religion if you are going to at all. If we are talking Christianity in particular, it's hard for me to see that as contrarian when it forms the background assumptions of our culture, which hasn't changed that much. America is still majority Christian.
Traditionalism is not about rebelling against the majority view, it's the opposite: respecting ideas that have taken hold whether past or present.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:04:33 2019 No.13874161 >>13872640 do not seek to 'get into' something by the aesthetic appeal. seek the truth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 02:22:48 2019 No.13874433 >>13872640 Everyone is trad about the things they love. You abandoning traditionalism just means you have nothing valuable to preserve in your miserable life. Have fun, you are truly a havenot and its by your own choice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:58:10 2019 No.13874982 >>13872640 Sort of. But marxism is an even bigger cope

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:05:18 2019 No.13875711 >>13872640 Google Translator: Cuck to English >tfw realized having a faithful wife is for contrarian losers anyone else realize this? think I am going to get into black bulls, where should I start?

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:13:12 2019 No.13875754

>>13872681
this. retards larping as 'traditionalist' did not understand guénon at all.
it's just a bunch of anglo children moralizing about 'trad values' (what are those? The exterior manifestation of primordial principles is contingent at best, it is of absolutely zero interest), which COMPLETELY misses the point of traditionalism. The word itself is dumb, it's only there to differentiate between societies which are built upon metaphysical principles and those who are not. the end.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:14:56 2019 No.13875764

Basically anglos who cling onto traditionalism from a moral standpoint are absolutely anti-traditional. They are 100% western in their thoughts, preponderance of morality in a society is a sign of intellectual decadence. Imagine reading guénon and missing his point entirely, kek.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:19:01 2019 No.13875780 Its not about being contrarian. People thought that free sex meant sex for everyone. They were wrong. Now thirsty faggots pay camwhores for bath water. So we should try to go back to monogamy if possible

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:27:55 2019 No.13875831

>>13875780
that's not traditionalism at all. imagine if guénon wasted his time on such minuscule matters. "Free sex" and "monogamy" hahaahahaha. Anglos and protestants jumped on the trad bandwagon because they literally cannot think further than low iq sentimentalism. Diminished people. Anti-intellectuality at its finest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:31:28 2019 No.13875849 File: 9 KB, 199x253, 1569255748104.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13875831 >>13875764 >NOOOO TRADITION IS BAD YOU CAN'T HAVE SOCIETIES THAT WORK LONG TERM!!! THAT'D BE BAD!!!

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:39:48 2019 No.13875892
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here's a starter kit from an actual marxist -

-principles of communism by engels (even this extremely short work would be good enough as a starting point to do away with all the myths about what communism is and isnt)

-german ideology part 1 by marx and engels(introduces the methodical framework of marxism and critiques the idealists of his time)

-wage labour and capital (good introduction to marxist economics that is not nearly as complex as capital + is easily applicable to real life TODAY)

-ludwig feuerbach by engels (not extremely necessary but engels here outlines the philosophical predecessors that culminate in marxist materialism)

-theses on feuerbach by marx (extremely short text but difficult to understand imo. i believe it contains some of his most fruitful thoughts on materalism though. dont worry if you don't get much from it, but i thought i should put it here. it takes like a minute or two to read.)

capital vol 1 (chapter one at the very least! it is the most difficult but the most important part of the book. its a long and difficult text, but a necessary one. understandable if you cannot read it all right now but at least read the first chapter CAREFULLY!)

-critique of the gotha program (gives an outline on how the transition from capital to communism might look like, talks about the dictatorship of the proletariat + labour vouchers etc.)

-18th brumaire of louis bonaparte (fantastic historical analysis by marx, his writing at its best. displays his method and framework at work + dispels mythical notions about that very method and framework such as strict teleology etc.)

-imperialism by lenin (important addition to marxism by lenin, the very specific mode of imperialism lenin talks about is not AS relevant today but still a necessary work to read imo, imperialism is still well and alive but not in the exact way lenin speaks of it)

-economic and philosophic manuscripts by marx (i put this at the end here for anyone interested in the early more humanist marx. you see marx here in a more philosophical stage, with his hegelian background in full focus. good for anyone interested in alienation and critiques of hegel)

the main thing with reading all this though is to read with an open mind. fuck all of your pre-conceived notions about marx. no one has fucking read him, everything you hear about him is bullshit. read carefully, read with an open mind, read not with the idea that this is some shit to do with capitalism vs communism but with the idea that you might actually fucking learn something from someone who spent his entire life studying the very structure of the mode of production that we live in. whether or not you agree with his final conclusions, literally everyone can learn something from marx

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:43:35 2019 No.13875908

>>13875892
to continue, all of this can be read on marxists.org too so it's really easy to get to. they have sites with the full text as well as pdfs uploaded

>>13873098
this is also not a bad collection of texts to introduce marxism but I'd say it's better to read the original texts

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:51:28 2019 No.13875944

>>13875831
>imagine if guénon wasted his time on such minuscule matters. "Free sex" and "monogamy" hahaahahaha
Sex is not a miniscule matter. It is a matter of great importance.
It is how we reproduce and ensure the continuation of our species.
Id bet if you told somebody that they could have 50k a year guaraunteed but they have to get a vasectomy and never reproduce theyd most likely say no.
Atleast i would.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 10:04:48 2019 No.13876381 >>13874161 the truth is aesthetic though

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 10:09:05 2019 No.13876408 >>13875892 well done, comrade

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 10:18:23 2019 No.13876465 >>13872676 Source?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 10:20:08 2019 No.13876474 >>13872640 Read Zizek and become a left-wing traditionalist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 14:42:24 2019 No.13877900 >>13873655 But it's worked everytime it's been implemented.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 14:46:21 2019 No.13877929 >>13877900 Source?

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