Can Life Prevail?

[Anonymous No.14007777]

>the chief cause for the impending collapse of the world - the cause sufficient in and by itself - is the enormous growth of the human population: the human flood. The worst enemy of life is too much life: the excess of human life.
>The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is a matter of perspective: it all depends on the observer and the verdict of history
>Jos kansan ääntä kuunnellaan, ei toivoa ole. Demokratia on kuoleman uskonto
>human brilliance manifests itself only in flashes, among rare individuals. For this reason, humanity as a whole is enormously destructive: the creation of something as devastating as Western culture, which is now allowed to spread throughout the world, offers sufficient proof of this fact
Was he right?

[Anonymous No.14007788]

>Sweater buddies

[Anonymous No.14007807]

>>14007777
chad is that you?

[Anonymous No.14007818]

>>14007777

> the cause sufficient in and by itself - is the enormous growth of the human population: the human flood.
>the creation of something as devastating as Western culture

Meanwhile the west is the only place where people aren't reproducing way above replacement rate. Its just another retarded self-hating white guy.

[Anonymous No.14007828]

>>14007777
Can I start with that book if I never read Linkola

[Anonymous No.14007831]

>>14007818
go eat a big mac fatbody
>>14007828
yes

[Anonymous No.14007832]

>>14007818
yes but our wealth basically comes from the backbone of less fortunate countries.

[Anonymous No.14007846]

>>14007832

Please provide evidence for this claim.

Either way his statements are just a complete contradiction. He says the chief and only necessary cause ("sufficient in and by itself") the destroy the whole world is human population growth. Then he proceeds to call Western culture devastating and enormously destructive, while Western culture is the only thing in the history of all mankind that has ever led to people reproducing below replacement rate.

How can you possible reconcile these contradictions??

[emonationalist !!HxQhKkNYVzK No.14007856]

>>14007777
He's based.

[Anonymous No.14007858]

>>14007846
if you had two braincells to rub together you would realize
1. The industrial revolution is western in origin
2. The second agricultural revolution is western in origin
3. The aforementioned revolutions are what makes the wholesale destruction of environment and global population explosion possible
If you had more than two braincells to rub together, you might even be able to read the subject matter and formulate an intelligible objection instead of ignorance based pedantry

[Anonymous No.14007896]

>>14007858

Your logic is weak to say the best. Things that are western in origin make it possible to have something that is destructive, therefor the western origin is the chief cause of the destruction. Do I really need to explain that this is a ridiculous conclusion to draw?
No need to get so mad just because your favorite author is only capable of spewing incoherent nonsense.

[Anonymous No.14007900]

>>14007777
100 companies cause about 70% of carbon emissions. Overpopulation may be a problem theoretically and on a cultural level but it's not responsible for climate change. The blinkered vision of neoliberal solipsists like Ayn Rand's disciples is most responsible for that.

[Anonymous No.14007917]

>>14007900
>100 companies cause about 70% of carbon emissions

Please provide a source for this claim.

Did you know that carbon emissions per capita haven't increased for over 50 years? Its exactly population growth that causes the problem.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_contributors_to_greenhouse_gas_emissions

[Anonymous No.14007921]

>>14007917
do you think we should stop having children

[Anonymous No.14007924]

Overpopulation is one of the biggest fake issues going, otherwise hes right though

[Anonymous No.14007927]

>>14007921

I think we should stop having children above replacement rate, on average.

[Anonymous No.14007947]

>>14007921
Not him but yes, at the very least implement eugenics and strict regulations

[Anonymous No.14007952]

>>14007896
If you actually read Linkola you would know what a retarded strawman you’re making, you won’t do it because you’re a pissant
http://www.penttilinkola.com/pentti_linkola/ecofascism_writings/humanflood/

[Anonymous No.14007953]

>>14007927
Then the rest of the world needs to be reasonably modernized. Which the only way to do in reasonable amount of time is some form of neo colonization. Muh self actualization isnt happening anytime soon

[Anonymous No.14008007]

>>14007952

You're the faggot making a thread about him here. You chose those statements as representative of his views. I merely point out that these statements contradict each other.

Frankly I don't see why I should read more from an author who says such silly things.

[Anonymous No.14008018]

If the traditional western values were upheld, then shit holes that are over reproducing would be glassed by now.

[Anonymous No.14008024]

As a Finn I've always found his statements quite hypocritical. He uses diabetes medication from big pharma. He uses SSRI antidepressants from big pharma. He has children of his own despite preaching against making babies etc.

Not only, he has this dialect that makes him sound like this stupid hillibilly fuck. He is a literal tree hugger, they showed a video of him just walking in the forest and hugging trees not long ago. He is also extremely fennomaniac about surrounding nature, he is only concerned about certain forested areas and I do not think he is emphatic person in a sense that he would feel concern about rest of the world so as long as the Northern Europe stays as forested as it has generally been etc.

[Anonymous No.14008039]

Humanity in the aggregate, as an undifferentiated mass, stands in stark contrast to the humanity in microcosm that we experience in our daily relationships. Both of these scales exist simultaneously for everyone. Either the alienating mass, or the personal circle. Only by coldly denying that the mass has its own subdivisions into the personal can it be treated as a mass, as raw material. Of course Linkola is part of the same mass and as such is part of the plague he criticizes. His cold sociopathic disregard reminds me of the social engineering tendencies of Stalinism, which again saw only the mass and not the personal into which that cloud of people divides.

[Anonymous No.14008122]

>>14007818
And even though you have low birth rates, you're among the most wasteful shitheads in the whole world. If you want to start killing people because of their carbon footprint and general wastefulness, kill every single American and European above a certain income level. That's the best group to target, because a single middle-class American produces enough waste to sustain the lives of thousands of Brazilian tribesmen living in the rainforest.

[Anonymous No.14008127]

>>14008018
If traditional western values were upheld, the West would not have stopped procreating.

I swear to God people in this board are among the dumbest on 4chan;

[Anonymous No.14008128]

>>14007832
It really doesn't. Even among the countries that are entirely unindustrialized and underdeveloped, the ones with an export extractivist economy are far wealthier than the ones that straight up don't produce anything.
More than that, poor countries export a tiny amount of all natural resources. Developed countries usually lead natural resources exports. Or Russia, Brazil and China. You can look up exporters online, name some ore or other natural resource.

[Anonymous No.14008160]

>>14007777
Linkola is a dogshit thinker, but he has some of the most pathetic "fuck you mom" variety of quotes that I've ever read, which is amusing enough to justify his silly beliefs.

[Anonymous No.14008205]

>>14008024
sounds based and fuck off the forests of fennoscandia are worth more than any other continent

[Anonymous No.14008206]

>>14007856
What is he, retarded?

[Anonymous No.14008212]

>>14007818
He's a Finnish nationalist and supports Finnish emigration and colonization of Africa.

[Anonymous No.14009092]

>>14007777
>Trees
What the fuck is good about nature

[Anonymous No.14009376]

>>14009092
nignogs fear the nature

[Anonymous No.14009395]

>>14008212
I'm Croatian and I support Finnish colonization of Africa, too.

[Anonymous No.14009927]

>>14008212
>>14009395
I always wondered who was behind those "BLEACHED" threads. Thanks guys

[Anonymous No.14010220]

>>14007924
It isn't though. Overpopulation is reducing global biodiversity, continually gobbling up forested land for agriculture, and leading to absurd population densities in many places (resulting in diluted standards of living and social atomization). In three decades, the total flying-insect biomass has dropped by ~80%, thought to be primarily caused by the habitat destruction and pesticide use of our agriculture.

[Anonymous No.14010228]

I'm gonna fight every nigger that's wants to take away my car.

[Anonymous No.14011427]

>>14010228
good luck getting fuel in glorious Green New Deal™ future

[Anonymous No.14011456]

>>14008039
Do you value those living on the other side of the world as much as your own flesh and blood? Of course there is a divide between the personal and the mass... it is as fallacious to criticize him on these grounds as it would be to criticize Nietzsche or other critics of their own societies. Viewed at a planetary scale humanity is certainly a yeast-like growth which saps all resources for its own expedience, even if this says nothing about individuals

[emonationalist !!HxQhKkNYVzK No.14011476]

>>14008206
No, he's just emo.
>>14008212
I don't remember reading this in Can Life Prevail.

[Anonymous No.14011885]

>>14011456
What I think about the untold millions of other people in the far side of the world is irrelevant. The objective fact is that every reasoning you just had could also occur in another sentient being, other humans being the most notably sentient. Everything that one regards in oneself one must regard in all other forms of consciousness, as per Schopenhauer's term principium individuationis. Each sentient being carries its representation of the universe, and each is intrinsically valid because each are an expression of life. The process of individuation involves a fundamental "halving" of existence, the division between subject and object. However what can reason do with the concept that other objects are also subjects, as expressive of the true root of consciousness as yourself?

We can call the great mass of anonymous humanity a meaningless slime, full of endless atrocities and profanity and nonsense, or understand the same font of the pure will to life instantiates itself in our own sensations, susceptibility for pain and pleasure.

Linkola is basically expressing the fundamental belief that human life does not matter, in the attempt to preserve All Life. The greater abundance and majesty of the biosphere. He ultimately rejects humanity, and he wonders why he is not as influential as he would prefer.
He's not wrong that humanity should at least be adjusted, but his literal Thanos thought experiment of instantly vaporizing a portion of the earth's populace are the ravings of a madman. You need to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff, the bullshit from the truth.

[Anonymous No.14012166]

>>14011885
I think you’re mischaracterizing Linkola, he does not reject humanity in whole but rather exhorts the noble humanity which is in harmony with natural process, and must discard the excess pollutory mass. You see this most famously in the lifeboat analogy. If you look at this problem from an ecological perspective it is not difficult to see where he is coming from. Every measure seems to indicate we’re in an accelerating mass extinction event to rival the Permian-Triassic, creating deserts wherever humanity spreads urbanity and industry. The difference is that the causal disturbance is anthropogenic and not volcanic. These ideas which Linkola is infamous for will only get more relevant in the future, that which seems ridiculous to you will become reality. The wake up call will be when industrial agriculture can no longer sustain human growth on the unfortunate, infertile edges of civilization. I like that you bring up Thanos, he’s probably a cultural conditioning measure cooked up by some meddling elite and inserted into panem et circenses.
It’s not a kindness to other sentient beings to continue on this path... from Linkola’s perspective the natural capacity of the land to sustain them has long been passed and food sources are reliant on artificial fertilization of barren deserts of GMO crops, which cannot remain endlessly productive...

[Anonymous No.14012477]

Excerpts from "That Bullet Knew Its Place," by Coldsteel Linkola, circa 2001:

>On September 11th, some of the tall buildings of the World Trade Center in New York, and a corner of the military's main headquarter's barracks in Washington, were smashed with hijacked passenger planes.

>Never before have foreign casualties awakened as great sympathy, never before has the agony of relatives been underlined like now. And still, it was a truly petty brawl by the amount of victims, if we make comparisons to the recent history of mankind. Hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed in the bombings of Dresden and Hamburg.

>Surely the amount of dead in New York cannot be counted by that messy den; we do remember that we never got to know who after all was voted as the president in the last elections. However, from what I've gathered there were only a couple of thousand dead.

>But those who died weren't generally humans, but Americans, and not even just any Americans, but priests and priestesses of the supreme God of this age, the Dollar. The passengers of domestic flights aren't either a valid take of the people, but of a wealthy, busy, environmentally damaging and world-gnawing part of the populace.

>On these grounds the assumption may be confirmed, that third world activists were behind the bombings in New York and Washington; people who wage a desperate battle against an overpoweringly gigantic enemy for their fatherland and faith - much like Finns in the Winter War. Regardless of how alien their religion or culture was, they certainly deserve all the sympathy we can give. The United States have a bitter opposition of their own, as well; we do remember the Unabomber, don't we, whose thought-out and sage alternative model of society also Elonkehä presented by translations at a time. But it will hardly have the energy and ability for an operation such as the one that occurred; the skill, competence and courage of which has made the military experts gasp for breath even here - well, after they have first performed the obligatory condemning ritual in the public.

>The servants of Allah sacrificed their own lives and the lives of a couple of Dollar's disciples
here and now. The pursuit of the servants of the market economy is to murder the whole creation and mankind as soon as they are able to. The deep ecologist and protector of life, the guardian of life's continuity, would certainly choose Allah when the going gets tough. Knowing this, the tower of the World Trade Center was the best target of all the buildings in the world, both symbolically and concretely. It was a magnificent, splendid choice.

[Anonymous No.14012478]

>>14012477
>No matter how great the joy from the bullseye suddenly is, the consequences begin to raise thoughts at once. What are the long-term effects like? Although human mass deaths are always positive in the light of the population explosion, a few thousand lives are a mosquito's whimper - even then, when quality would replace quantity. But elsewhere the influence seems truly significant at the moment. Economic growth seems to
plummet at least a bit in the world. Air traffic, the worst mode of traffic, is being decreased. Foreign trade seems to slow down; destructive tourism and international interaction seem to be growing more difficult. Surveillance and police actions always choke the raging business life. All facts like these give "extra time for nature", to use the title of the late Olli Järvis's collection of essays, cited on multiple occasions. By the bitter tenets of life, optimism has always proved to be unguaranteed. But, would there be a reason for it this time?

[Anonymous No.14012487]

>>14012477

Holy based

[Anonymous No.14012488]

Excerpts from "That Bullet Knew Its Place," by Coldsteel Linkola, circa 2001:

>On September 11th, some of the tall buildings of the World Trade Center in New York, and a corner of the military's main headquarter's barracks in Washington, were smashed with hijacked passenger planes.

>Never before have foreign casualties awakened as great sympathy, never before has the agony of relatives been underlined like now. And still, it was a truly petty brawl by the amount of victims, if we make comparisons to the recent history of mankind. Hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed in the bombings of Dresden and Hamburg.

>Surely the amount of dead in New York cannot be counted by that messy den; we do remember that we never got to know who after all was voted as the president in the last elections. However, from what I've gathered there were only a couple of thousand dead.

>But those who died weren't generally humans, but Americans, and not even just any Americans, but priests and priestesses of the supreme God of this age, the Dollar. The passengers of domestic flights aren't either a valid take of the people, but of a wealthy, busy, environmentally damaging and world-gnawing part of the populace.

>On these grounds the assumption may be confirmed, that third world activists were behind the bombings in New York and Washington; people who wage a desperate battle against an overpoweringly gigantic enemy for their fatherland and faith - much like Finns in the Winter War. Regardless of how alien their religion or culture was, they certainly deserve all the sympathy we can give. The United States have a bitter opposition of their own, as well; we do remember the Unabomber, don't we, whose thought-out and sage alternative model of society also Elonkehä presented by translations at a time. But it will hardly have the energy and ability for an operation such as the one that occurred; the skill, competence and courage of which has made the military experts gasp for breath even here - well, after they have first performed the obligatory condemning ritual in the public.

>The servants of Allah sacrificed their own lives and the lives of a couple of Dollar's disciples here and now. The pursuit of the servants of the market economy is to murder the whole creation and mankind as soon as they are able to. The deep ecologist and protector of life, the guardian of life's continuity, would certainly choose Allah when the going gets tough. Knowing this, the tower of the World Trade Center was the best target of all the buildings in the world, both symbolically and concretely. It was a magnificent, splendid choice.

[Anonymous No.14012490]

>>14012488
>No matter how great the joy from the bullseye suddenly is, the consequences begin to raise thoughts at once. What are the long-term effects like? Although human mass deaths are always positive in the light of the population explosion, a few thousand lives are a mosquito's whimper - even then, when quality would replace quantity. But elsewhere the influence seems truly significant at the moment. Economic growth seems to plummet at least a bit in the world. Air traffic, the worst mode of traffic, is being decreased. Foreign trade seems to slow down; destructive tourism and international interaction seem to be growing more difficult. Surveillance and police actions always choke the raging business life. All facts like these give "extra time for nature", to use the title of the late Olli Järvis's collection of essays, cited on multiple occasions. By the bitter tenets of life, optimism has always proved to be unguaranteed. But, would there be a reason for it this time?

[Anonymous No.14012495]

>>14007818
>Meanwhile the west is the only place where people aren't reproducing way above replacement rate.

The west is subsidizing and importing third worlders, which is even worse.

[Anonymous No.14012522]

To the next potato-faced freak who shoots up a supermarket: would you please cite Linkola in your /pol/ rec-list manifesto? Unlike Savitri Devi and other more overt nuts with less academic cred, I think he's been criminally overlooked by the media.

[Anonymous No.14012534]

I dont think humanity can do much to Earth to seriously permanently fuck it up. If you mean individual species then obviously we can. But nature as a whole can adapt to whatever we do and prevail. The issue with climate change and sea levels and shit is that it makes life worse for us. Earth has prevailed through meteors and ice ages. We could fuck this planet up enough to make it miserable to live on, but nature will be fine.

[Anonymous No.14012542]

>>14012534
low iq post

[Anonymous No.14012545]

>>14012542
Thanks

[Anonymous No.14012550]

No

[Anonymous No.14012585]

>>14012534
There is no meaningful distinction between "nature" and "everything else".

[Anonymous No.14012595]

>>14012585
let’s destroy nature then lol

[Anonymous No.14012617]

>>14007777
Checked

It’s one solution. The world would benefit from a culling of human life, that’s not debatable. The morality of genociding people is more complicated. I wonder what he thinks the world population should be? 1 Billion maybe?

[Anonymous No.14012633]

>>14012617
>The morality of genociding people is more complicated.
The morality of not feeding people and not importing them in your country for dubious economic benefits should be less complicated, though.

[Anonymous No.14012643]

>>14012617
falling for the globalist cull plan. Dont only you will be culled everyone in power will continue to do whatever they want.

[Anonymous No.14012739]

>>14008122
If you're over the age of 20, which I seriously doubt, you will remember the praise being heaped on the Chinese for riding bikes everywhere, pictures circulated of highways just packed with cyclists.
Turns out they weren't riding because they cared about the environment or were more in touch with the Earth than the industrial West, they were doing it because they were poor as shit and that's all they could afford.
Then China got rich and the Chinese bought petrol cars by the hundreds of millions, and now their cities are the most polluted in the world.
You're being had, you'll point to the Nigerians, such noble savages who reject Western (and now Eastern) consumption and live off the land for the sake of Mother Earth, and instead of 40 million middle class Nigerians you'll have 400 million.

[Anonymous No.14012742]

>>14008122
>>14012739
Pic related.

[Anonymous No.14012745]

>>14012633
>dubious economic benefits
they're not dubious given that entire economies are successfully dependent on it for population and subsequent economic growth.

[Anonymous No.14012822]

>>14007777
>Jos kansan ääntä kuunnellaan, ei toivoa ole. Demokratia on kuoleman uskonto
Forgot to translate something?
>If we listen the voice of the people, we have no hope, democracy is a death cult.

[Anonymous No.14012824]

What if I don't want life to prevail?

[Anonymous No.14012895]

>>14012745
Dubious for at least these reasons:
1. automation
2. global economic changes
3. societal degeneration

Also the negative economic effects of population decline (in the current neo-liberal system) are only short term.
In the long term it doesn't matter if a country has 50mil people or 100mil people, it can be prosperous either way. Actually, the lower population density is mostly an advantage.

[Anonymous No.14012906]

>>14007777
https://youtu.be/53uXMtoxnvE

[Anonymous No.14013158]

>>14007777
VR, zommers, fortnite, social media addiction, inceldom. Low natality. Problem already solved.

[Anonymous No.14013162]

>>14012633
Complete bullshit. Africa population will decrease after 2060. These nomies have always been utterly bad at projections.

[Anonymous No.14013172]

>>14013162
>2060
Until then it's too late

[Anonymous No.14013210]

>>14013172
Too late for what? Over population is a 1980s meme.
In 50 years, the problem will be that people don't make babies anymore. They'll live in VR. You'll see. In a way, it's a good thing, since earth deserve a break. Millenials already aren't having babies. They are the first VR generation, and it's light VR (instagram, snapchat, fortnite). Wait until they all have a VR helmet on their face.

[Anonymous No.14013315]

>>14007831
go eat a rock nigger faggot

[Anonymous No.14013320]

>>14011476
i also have read lifeboat ethics

[Anonymous No.14013336]

>>14013210
overpopulation is a scientific fact already observed several times in various natural occurring scenarios

[Anonymous No.14013413]

>>14013210
go away last man

[Anonymous No.14013511]

>>14013210
We've been overpopulated for at least 20 years already.
The environmental degradation is just one proof of it.
You literally can't find water without plastic bits in it.

[Anonymous No.14013604]

>>14007777
yes

[Anonymous No.14013612]

>>14013210
delusional retard

[Anonymous No.14013618]

>>14012739
I'm not defending China, the Chinese are no better than Europe or North America. The real issue with China, India, Brazil, Russia, Western Europe and North America is industrialization and the lifestyle pushed by capitalism. There's no way around this.

[Anonymous No.14013645]

>>14013336
>>14013413
>>14013511
>>14013612
You didn't get my point. Whatever. Feels like being in a MSM Tv set. Paid shills?

[Anonymous No.14013650]

>>14013645
vr is a fucking meme

[Anonymous No.14013670]

>>14013650
Okay now i'm beginning to think i'm really right. Disappointing for 4chan.

[Anonymous No.14013738]

>>14007777
While the world is collapsing, his reduction of our ecological woes to overpopulation is laughable. His thought is juvenile, he seems like the patron saint of edgy 14 year olds that cried after reading Wikipedia's article on deforestation. I sympathize with him, but this retard does way more harm than good by de-ecologizing humans.

[Anonymous No.14013751]

>>14007818
This. I'm no /pol/tard but to say that the first world is responsible for population growth is ridiculous when the growth is actually exploding in third world nations where I would bet this guy probably wants to send more aid.

[Anonymous No.14013760]

>>14013751
>the growth is actually exploding in third world nations
Yeah and whose fault is that, genius?

[Anonymous No.14013764]

>>14013751
The first world is the cause of overpopulation in the first place. Without industrialization and capitalist consumer habits there could've been no such boom. You can argue that the agricultural revolution provided a boom across the world, in Asia, Europe and the Middle-East, but not much more than that. Without the development of modern industry, there could've been no man made natural catastrophe.

[Anonymous No.14013765]

>>14007818
The world is actually declining in fertility rate and has been through each passing decade.

It will eventually get to a non-replacement level globally and potentially shrink.

[Anonymous No.14014021]

>>14013738
You're more charitable than me. He's an angsty little shit, and I wish him Alzheimer's. It speaks volumes when the fucking Unabomber has a more measured approach to writing than him.

[Anonymous No.14014041]

>>14007777
>Implying the current state of affairs isn't just the teleology of life.

[Anonymous No.14014053]

>>14013645
no-one cares about the "points" of small-souled bugmen

[Anonymous No.14014072]

>>14013738
regardless, there's too many fucking people and most of them don't give a shit about the natural world

[Anonymous No.14014084]

>>14007777
No.
Anyone who cries about malthusianism is wrong automatically. Both resources and human ingenuity are infinite.

[Anonymous No.14014088]

I hate luddites so fucking much

[Anonymous No.14014110]

>>14014084
human ingenuity is what got us into the mess, retard
>>14014088
tick tock, bugman

[Anonymous No.14014121]

>>14014110

What mess? More people have a higher standard of living than at any point in human history and people have been de decrying it for centuries, millenia even. There is no consumption or excess problem. The only problem is the value we place on work and energy.

[Anonymous No.14014134]

>>14014110
>tick tock
LMAO what? What kind of "revolutionary" scenario is going on in your neckbearded head? Please share.

[Anonymous No.14014168]

>>14011476
>I don't remember reading this in Can Life Prevail.
He makes nationalist statements in the book, but the migration statement isn't there, it's in this interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWH1X9TN_YE&vl=en

[Anonymous No.14014186]

>>14007777
>the world is hurt by the existence of many people
What is good according to you? The world itself? No, the good is the person's life, full stop. So, more people is better, as that means more life.
>terrorist and freedom fighter are the same
No, only crazies believe that. Freedom fighters don't hurt innocents. Even if the Sartre and Fanon idiots might disagree with that, violence against innocents is never justified.
>human brilliance is rare; humanity is thus bad
Brilliance!=the good of humanity. The good of humanity is the life in and of itself. Also, this great person history is nonsense. Sure, Einstein was great but only because the world he was born into allowed him the free time, the money, and the peace of being to be great. The average man thus is needed for greatness.

Also, can you Linkola-ists stop shooting up schools?

[Anonymous No.14014205]

>>14014186
>What is good according to you? The world itself? No, the good is the person's life, full stop. So, more people is better, as that means more life.

The literal ideology of a cancer cell. Dogshit post.

[Anonymous No.14014222]

>>14014205
>the ideology of a cancer cell
Just because I come to the conclusion that life is good doesn't mean I use the same paradigm as every being that likes life. By that argument, you shouldn't use /lit/ because I also use /lit/, and I make dogshit posts, so you make dogshit posts as well.
This is nonsense. Nuance exists. Two things can come to the same conclusion from different starting points.

[Anonymous No.14014251]

>>14014222
Life is good only in moderation. These are problems of scale, and not principle.

[Anonymous No.14014280]

>>14014251
>life is only good in moderation
No, life is good because living is good. Each individual life is an individual person whose life matters. You can't just go and say "only 2 billion people's lives matter." That's absurd. Whose life matters? Yours? Mine? No, life matters because the phenomenon of living is something that should be protected.

[Anonymous No.14014295]

>>14007828
unless you can read finnish that's the only book you'll be reading

[Anonymous No.14014300]

>the earth can't support so many people!

Yes it can.

[Anonymous No.14014306]

>>14014222
>>14014280
you don't know first thing about Linkola, he is pro-life you are anti-life.

[Anonymous No.14014354]

>>14014280
Too many people and quality of life plummets you literal virus

[Anonymous No.14014373]

>>14013760
That's not even accounting for vaccines and other life-saving medicines.

[Anonymous No.14014385]

the insect-men in this thread should return to their anthills

[Anonymous No.14014391]

>>14012488
absolutely fucking based

[Anonymous No.14014394]

>>14014385
oof, got em

[Anonymous No.14014426]

>>14008024
t. Assblasted citydweller

[Anonymous No.14014481]

>>14012595
Why dont you start by smearing your own shit all over yourself?

[Anonymous No.14014515]

>>14012585

If there's no distinction then humans consuming all possible resources on the planet is just nature running its course GG

[Anonymous No.14014529]

If nature can't provide for and support humanity and her endeavors then it is of no use to us and it is inevitable that it be exhausted

[Anonymous No.14014548]

>>14014088
Linkola isn't a Luddite, he simply believes modern technology isn't built to last. Did you know modern agricultural tractors have a lifespan of <20 years? less than the lifespan of a cow.

[Anonymous No.14014554]

>>14014515
Sure. You could say nature is a "social construct". Read some books if you want to go in depth on what this means and how it affects the way we act.

[Anonymous No.14014584]

>>14014554

What books? I I really do love Ted Kaczynski as much as the next guy here on /lit/ but the only thing worse than unsustainability inefficiency and overconsumption are the willful failures of human ingenuity to overcome them. Not enough food? Practice more efficient and powerful agriculture. Not enough energy? Get on fusion now.

[Anonymous No.14014697]

>>14014584
>What books?
I guess something from the field of environmental sociology.