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Why is it so important to "start with the Greeks?" I just wanna hop right into 20th century works

>> No.14038352

>>14038307
Do what you want. If your curiosity leads you towards the greeks then so be it. If not then not. Just avoid reading shit.

>> No.14038360

>>14038307
Hapa?

>> No.14038467

>>14038307
Starts with the Greeks if you're interested in reading the Greeks. If you're not, you don't have to.

>> No.14038475

>>14038307
All that Gen Z is; in one post.

>> No.14038482

>>14038307
do some of both, don't limit yourself. just don't ignore ancient writings. studying ancient languages is good too, probably one of the few things i've done in my life that ceaselessly continues to reap good fruit

>> No.14038496

>>14038307
Do it, nobody is stopping you. Eventually you'll come back to them anyways there's no escape.
YOU DON'T SKIP THE GREEKS

>> No.14038497

>>14038307
It depends on what you want. If you want to read for entertainment, you don't need to start with the Greeks.
If you want to read to improve yourself as a person, you really need to read them.

>> No.14038834

>>14038307
Mainly because a lot of later philosophy references or is based on them.
You don't have to (and likely shouldn't) read every Greek work on philosophy out there, but having a base understanding of what they said and what ideas they had is very useful - almost necessary, to properly understanding later philosophers.

>> No.14038865

>>14038307
Start with 20th century. Eventually you'll get a lot learned, regardless of how you go about it. Just make sure you do, actually, go about it.

>> No.14038942

It’s where everything starts. Everything, at least, in the western sense. Homer basically. As another anon said, you can not start with them if you really don’t want to but, if you want to read challenging and fulfilling literature, literature beyond cheesy entertainment or romance novels (not that there’s anything wrong with that, faggot) you’re going to see so many references and words going back through time to the Greeks that you’re eventually going to have to study most of them anyway. Even if only trying to figure out what is being said. And honestly, even those things you read strictly for entertainment will likely be more fulfilling if you have the whole tradition in mind.

>> No.14038985

>>14038482
In what way has studying ancient language benefitted you? I'm not being flippant, genuinely curious.

>> No.14038996

>>14038360
Hapa abomination for sure. They're truly uncanny valley freaks.

>> No.14039001

O how many offerings I'd deposit to this fairest of G'ddesses! I'd be spent!

>> No.14039025

>>14038985
on the more mundane my vocabulary increased significantly and i can learn any modern language rather easily now (from latin it's incredibly easy to acquire italian, french, spanish, etc.)

but on the more serious side, i think that learning them opened me up to the true possibilities of language, you get to see just how rich human speech could be. and it opened up my metaphysical horizons as well; it's much easier to comprehend metaphysics when filtered through language designed for communicating about metaphysics, whereas modern languages are more or less denatured (relatively speaking) and therefore it's harder to grasp what certain words, terms, etc. mean

take a simple example, the word "evangelion" in greek, from which the modern english "gospel" comes from, if you break the word down you get:
εὐ-αγγέλιον, which comes from "εὐ-" or "good" and "ἄγγελος" or "messenger/angel", rough translation would be "good news", idk stuff like this opens up ancient texts for me, and i think too much is lost in translation, etc. but in the end, i just get a clearer idea of what the ancients meant when they said certain things

>> No.14039032

>>14038307
>tehehee I'm just so cute! ^-^
Girls are cringe

>> No.14039076

>>14039025
Any starting points you would recommend? I've always been enamored by etymology but I've never pursued it.

>> No.14039088

>>14039076
for learning what in particular? greek?

>> No.14039100

Source?

>> No.14039118

>>14039088
Yes please, my shit university has resources for Latin but offer nothing noteworthy about ancient Greek.

>> No.14039160

>>14038467
How new?

>> No.14039182 [DELETED] 

>>14039118
i've mostly focused my studies on koine and modern greek, i want to branch into ancient last, but the nice thing about greek is that learning any dialect helps to learn them all since it's just one language in time.

for grammar i've used this site:
http://www.ntgreek.org/learn_nt_greek/grkindex.htm

every day i read a chapter of the bible in greek and do some dictionary work. this is how i learn, but i'm sure others have good methods too

>> No.14039337

>>14039118
sorry i posted the wrong site, and can't seem to find the one i used for koine greek grammar, one good book is elements of new testament greek though, might be a good place to start. idk about good ancient greek grammars tho

>> No.14039458

>>14038360
kazakh you uncultured swine

>> No.14040275

>>14038996
only when it's a white father

>> No.14040310

>>14039025
How did you learn Latin?

>> No.14040312

>>14039160
>« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE
You aren't fucking welcome here now leave

>> No.14040327

>>14038996
That woman is beautiful

>> No.14040352

>>14040327
Definitely not. Hapas are grotesque biological mistakes. It's ultimately the parents' fault, but a healthy society will discourage behavior that will lead to any more of them being produced.

>> No.14040358

>>14039458
What's the difference?

>> No.14040359

You don't have to start with the Greeks but trust me, sooner or later you will go back at them as the son who runs towards the arms of his father.

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14040366

>>14040312
The racists aren't welcome. They can leave now.

>> No.14040376

>>14040366
You will never pass

>> No.14040386

>>14040366
I agree with him, and nearly every other poster. You are extremely annoying and no one here seems to like you. You should probably go.

>> No.14040526

>>14038307
>that video
why do you have to do this to me
why
my parents frigid recluses
i never learned anything about this face to face cheer
im ugly but not fat
i wont ever date someone like her
ill never make her smile, just irritate her with my talk about philosophy
she'll always think im looking down on her
she'll always be anxious around me
she'll wonder how i know god and worry
she'll never be free like the expression that video shows
i'm impossible
i'm going to be an unlovable nerd until i die and my parents are too late for their own selves as well

her life is truly on easy mode. she doesn't ever need to change outside of regulated development, but she should and probably will breed children, and they'll most likely be just the same given sound external conditions from the institutions

i hate it

>> No.14040530

>>14040366
Die