/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14212174]

>NO NOO! YOU CAN'T JUST BELIEVE IN GOD AND TRADITION AND STUDY MYSTICISM AND METAPHYSICS, NOOO STOP TALKING ABOUT NON-DUALISM AND MONISM, GOD ISN'T REAL EVERYTHING IS ONLY A PROCESS, THATS WHY YOU HAVE TO READ DELEUZE AND MARX AND CUT OFF YOUR PENIS!! NOOO STOP BEING ANTI-SEMITIC AND NOT AGREEING WITH PROGRESSIVISM!! NOOO!!!

[Anonymous No.14212182]

>>14212174
>He studies ancient voodoo mysticism in hopes of easing his existential dread
Never gonna make it brah. Go for a walk

[Anonymous No.14212183]

>>14212174
metaphysics is semitic hogwash, why don't you sign up for rabbi college

[Anonymous No.14212195]

Holy shit. This is what theism is? A fear of becoming trans if they read scary books? Do you believe in witchcraft and the tooth fairy too?

[Anonymous No.14212196]

>>14212174

[Anonymous No.14212345]

>>14212174
Imagine being a christcuck and thinking you can be antisemitic.

[Anonymous No.14212358]

>>14212195
Witchcraft is definitely real.

[Anonymous No.14212368]

>>14212174
when you get sick of fighting strawmen to support your mommy's worldview, try reading some books that critique your worldview sweetie
If you are right you will only strengthen your knowledge and position
unless you are afraid of what you'll learn
you're not afraid god is wrong anon, are you?
that would be heresy

[Anonymous No.14212385]

>>14212358
If it's real, then you can materially prove it.

[Anonymous No.14212387]

>>14212385
retard

[Anonymous No.14212390]

>>14212387
Deflecting with an insult is what retards do.

[Anonymous No.14212396]

I agree with your point, but this meme has to fucking stop. We aren't /pol/ or whatever shitty board this crap started spilling from.

[Anonymous No.14212400]

How are you guys not full of shame from making these threads? I mean, I get that the place is anonymous, but this is fucking embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.14212406]

>>14212390
I don't have time to take a retard seriously. You're so fucking dull. Did you make >>14212368 post too? You sound like a bot.

[Anonymous No.14212409]

>>14212400
christcucks have no shame

[Anonymous No.14212416]

>>14212406
We are automatons acting on our neural signals though. Why is this fact so hard for retards to accept?

[Anonymous No.14212420]

>>14212406
>anything that doesn't confirm my world view is so dull
retard

[Anonymous No.14212422]

>>14212416
Case in point. You fucking bot. You menial. You dullard.

[Anonymous No.14212429]

>>14212416
Im not the retard you're currently trolling, but, you will find that materialism and empiricism has failed to explain the phenomena of consciousness, and likely will always fail. Extrapolate from the heisenberg uncertainty principle that zooming in on matter past the atomic level produces extremely uncanny and strange effects which evade science's ability to create purely determinism. Then combine this inexplicability of consciousness with the fact that it eternally exists in the process of receiving, storing and processing immense amounts of information, and you'll find that a chemical theory of the brain simply will never be able to predict and explain human behavior accurately

[Anonymous No.14212431]

>>14212406
>i dont have TIME to prove my assertion
you occult fuckers are all the same. stop playing make-believe.

[Anonymous No.14212432]

>>14212420
>muh worldviews
yeah but only the worldview with material evidence is fact, there's no actual disparity hurp drup.

[Anonymous No.14212436]

you guys lost?
here jesus said you need to go back to your trad hugbox
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.14212448]

>>14212174
I am god.
I make my own traditions, and I'll be keeping the penis until something better comes out.

[Anonymous No.14212454]

>>14212429
Chemical theory explains behavior just fine. It's just that it can't explain the experience itself. Likewise, you're conflating that consciousness is within the reality, when there is no evidence of it. So, of course that reality-based science is unable to explore something beyond the reality.

[Anonymous No.14212459]

>>14212454
what lmao

[Anonymous No.14212463]

>>14212195
>scary
Leftist confirmed.

[Anonymous No.14212470]

>>14212429
>'trolling'
lol shutup

[Anonymous No.14212472]

>>14212454
>chemicals explain behavior just fine
Surely not. Then why is the field of neurological medicine utterly incapable of curing or modifying the brain outside of some fairly primitive surgery?
>consciousness is beyond reality
Well isnt this exactly wherein "the soul" lies? Isn't this exactly that makes the chemical theory of the brain a failure?

[Anonymous No.14212475]

>>14212459
Feigning ignorance is a shitty way to humiliate yourself if you actually believe that consciousness is real.

Moving on, when you cut the brain open. There's no consciousness. There's no explanation for it. You're 100% right about it. If it doesn't exist, then it can't be in the reality. However, we have experience of consciousness, and it's not in reality, therefore it must be not real and not tethered with the reality. Your behaviors go on, and you experience it like a television screen. It's experiencing an illusion. It feels like real, but it isn't.

[Anonymous No.14212476]

>>14212454
>Chemical theory explains behavior just fine.
No. Just no.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14212478]

But the opposite is true. We’re shunned and and leaned on when we discuss anything other than their religious texts and related garbage.
I’ve said it before. Christians are poor fit for /lit/. You’re absolutist fanatics and you can’t stand anyone who thinks differently. You should leave.

[Anonymous No.14212493]

>>14212475
If there's no consciousness you aren't making arguments. You've lost the debate.

[Anonymous No.14212498]

>>14212475
lol

[Anonymous No.14212500]

>>14212472
>Surely not. Then why is the field of neurological medicine utterly incapable of curing or modifying the brain outside of some fairly primitive surgery?
Modifying behaviors is mostly within neuro electrophysiology not neurosurgery. It doesn't matter if glorified servers (neurosurgeons) are unable to do their jobs right, when the theory is sound.
>Well isnt this exactly wherein "the soul" lies? Isn't this exactly that makes the chemical theory of the brain a failure?
No, brain does things in the reality. You just observe your brain doing stuff. You have no control.

[Anonymous No.14212503]

>>14212478
>Christians are poor fit for /lit/
How can you decide this? We have places where the opposite reigns and it's called reddit. You're free to discuss and post whatever you want here. You're not a victim of anything or a member of a club. People have tolerated and engaged with your faggotry for years.

[Anonymous No.14212504]

>>14212493
Retard, show me where consciousness is then.

[Anonymous No.14212513]

>>14212504
I'm no christcuck, but let's stop pretending this isn't a thing

[Anonymous No.14212522]

Show me a vial of consciousness then I'll shut up.

[Anonymous No.14212524]

>>14212504
I just did.

[Anonymous No.14212526]

>>14212195
But anon being trans and the trans agenda is the manifestation of evil. It is the baphomet.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14212529]

>>14212503
Hello Re**it.
You need to go back.

Seriously. I know just a little bit about the place, and the main feature is that everything can have its own board. I’m sure there’s a Christian board you can go. Stop proselytizing

[Anonymous No.14212530]

>>14212522
how would one show something that is only able to be sensed within oneself by an inner process
if you could do this, you would literally win a nobel prize
it is one of the most hotly debated questions in both philosophy and science right now
so quit pretending you are saying something profound when you say, "you cannot show me your consciousness!"
you're arguing in complete bad faith

[Anonymous No.14212533]

>>14212174
Ok boomer

[Anonymous No.14212538]

>>14212195
>if you disagree with something you're just afraid of it that's all
Imagine being this mind pozzed

I thank god everyday despite growing up on the east coast I didn't catch leftist aids.

[Anonymous No.14212539]

>>14212530
My point is consciousness isn't material and emergence doesn't apply it. Consciousness isn't made of anything, nor it's component of anything.

Deal with it, it's just not real and it's logical.

[Anonymous No.14212548]

>>14212538
Ok boomer

[Anonymous No.14212554]

>>14212529
I don't christpost. You're a widely disliked faggot here. You don't have a place to impose anything. You don't even have a place to post smug reaction images.

[Anonymous No.14212565]

>>14212539
wow no wonder you don't believe in consciousness
you are a complete bugman
in your opinion than gravity isn't real, heat isn't real, energy isn't real, weak and strong radioactive forces aren't real, because they only manifest as secondary effects on material things and are immaterial themselves: identical to the conscious mind

[Anonymous No.14212568]

>>14212554
Ok boomer

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14212583]

>>14212554
Sure sure, and I’m the queen of England.
But I’m not “imposing” anything, I’m pushing at you. Like the Muslims in the UK who don’t want their children to be tolerant of “lgbt” people. Don’t like it? Get out.

[Anonymous No.14212593]

>>14212548

[Anonymous No.14212595]

>>14212174
Cope.

[Anonymous No.14212598]

>>14212565
well yeah, they aren't real lol, you admit it in your post. immaterial means that something isn't in the reality.

[Anonymous No.14212622]

>>14212583
You're losing in your own narrative. Posts you disagree with can only increase.

[Anonymous No.14212625]

>>14212583
You are incredibly unlikable and passive aggresive. Do you get bullied in your daily life?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14212642]

>>14212622
>>14212625

[Anonymous No.14212701]

The only reason you arent on reddit is because you wouldnt get the faux attention you think you receive here by being a tripfag. You are nothing but a transparent 41%er who acts like a woman in all the ways you shouldnt want to.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14212789]

>>14212701
The format sucks. I was here first. Now shove off

[Anonymous No.14213218]

>>14212625
I find her pretty likeable
Honestly I've been crushing on her since the first time I read one of her replies

[Anonymous No.14213236]

>>14212195
How did you even get that from OP?

[Anonymous No.14213243]

>>14212182
>existential dread
Why is this the usual route that people go down when they try to dismiss studying in things like metaphysics?
>ancient voodoo mysticism
And how is this really any different than your organized cult mentality of apathy, hedonism, and self-destruction? I directly observe the behavior of people that worship the cult of so called "existential dread" and they more often than not they are very out of shape, unhealthy (complete with poor diet and hygiene), engage in healthy sexual relationships (if involved sexually at all), and typically have at least one if not more addictions. I am simply skeptical that your outlook on reality is not only beneficial but even worthwhile.

Reading ancient wisdom, particularly ancient metaphysics, gives you a great grounding in this biological temporal world that we exist within. Why feel "dread" about that? You know, we all wish we could have "unlimited" time to exist but we do not. Thus, when I read books like the "Meditations" by Aurelius (to use a very well known example) is that me trying to "ease" my "dread" at the inevitability of death? OR perhaps it is trying to make the most of my time spent here in a constructive, healthy way?

And if you use the argument, "it doesn't matter' then we are done here and have nothing more to say to one another. Until each and every person who makes these claims to me blows their brains out or commits suicide in some other way than they are simply cowards who are not living the mantra they preach. If you felt so much "existential dread" then you would end your life. The reality is we live well above and beyond such a ridiculous concept that you have been herded into believing to make you a better numb consumer.

[Anonymous No.14213246]

>>14212174
Split brain patients disprove soul + theism in general. Boom, the end.

Goodnight and remember kids: learn the science before the bullshit!

[Anonymous No.14213269]

>>14213246
My question to you is how you observe consciousness. I will elaborate:

You claim to have learned "science" (as many preach in the same way as a religious fanatic, without being critical or analytic the supposed so called tenets of scientific thought, but this is a discussion for another time and place perhaps) and yet you are an egoist who puts human consciousness as the pinnacle of all conscious achievement. You insinuate that with humanity there is the "end of conscious growth", the ceiling so to speak.

"Science" has allowed us to observe life down to a microscopic level, and in each "tier" there is a greater portion of consciousness and physicality that is observable in many cases simply because we harness the ability to observe them. For example, a little carpenter ant has absolutely no conscious capacity to ever observe an amoeba and certainly has no conscious capacity to understand human activity. Their consciousness is simply low level and cannot be reasonably expected to ever "peak" beyond this level. When a human being destroys one of their colonies, do you think ants ponder the great beings that have appeared to annihilate their homes? Or is it far more probable that the ant is simply INCAPABLE of perceiving the fact that a living being has just appeared to destroy their home.

What I mean is this: The ant is not consciously appeal to even perceive life greater than its own. Human beings are just as "mystical" as great storms are to us. I hope you understand what I am trying to reach at here because it is important. For you would then postulate the claim that humanity, therefore, is the "end of all conscious growth" and yet I have just given you a scenario that proves consciousness works in a kind of scale with higher and lower forms of consciousness. Because ants are unable to consciously perceive and understand human existence, does it not logically follow that there are entities greater than the conscious ability of humans to perceive as existing? Does not being able to perceive something as it is REALLY (I reject existentialism wholeheartedly) mean that said something does not exist? Of course not, this is a word game one plays with children (e.g. "If a tree falls alone in the woods...").

>what does this have to do with "theism"
Everything, but more importantly it has to do with metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.14213306]

>>14212478
>You’re absolutist fanatics and you can’t stand anyone who thinks differently. You should leave.
kek that doublethink

[Anonymous No.14213413]

>Proves the existence of a creator God Objectively

Nothin personnel kid

[Anonymous No.14213435]

>>14213413
Aristotle to this day still has proved a prime mover

[Anonymous No.14213467]

>>14213435
>>14213413

No, you just want those to be true in order to feel good about yourselves.

[Anonymous No.14213473]

>>14212195
>tooth fairy
Lmao nice bait fag

[Anonymous No.14213485]

>>14212454
I am a chemist and you’re full of shit.

[Anonymous No.14213500]

>>14212583
Fucking kek, fuck off lesbian tranny. Of course you’re going to bring up something lgbt related. I bet you’ll find a way to incorporate Björk into your arguments too, won’t you? Annoying abomination

[Anonymous No.14213506]

>>14213467
Cope. you will never be half as Good as Aristotle and Plotinus.
God is real, Get over it

[Anonymous No.14213523]

>>14212174
You can believe whatever retarded nonsense you want

[Anonymous No.14213528]

>>14212174
Based, unironically.

[Anonymous No.14213537]

>>14212593
Based and redpilled.

[Anonymous No.14214313]

>>14212385
>materially prove
lmao

[Anonymous No.14214334]

>>14213413
Can you elaborate?

[Anonymous No.14214628]

>>14212385
>real = material
Really?

[Anonymous No.14214640]

>>14212182
>He studies ancient voodoo mysticism in hopes of easing his existential dread
>>14213243
>Why is this the usual route that people go down when they try to dismiss studying in things like metaphysics?
Because they project what they fear most about themselves on everyone else so that they can attack it and invalidate it that way.

[Anonymous No.14214745]

>>14212183
>metaphysics is semitic hogwash
>even though numerous several etnicities came up with it
Uneducated swine.
>>14212345
>Imagine being a christcuck and thinking you can be antisemitic.
>imagine being uneducated enough on christianity to think that Jesus didn't completely and utterly btfo the jews
That being said you are right, trying to save the jews from hell is definitely not anti-semitic.
>>14212385
how retarded can one be?
>>14212368
>attacks the characteristics or authority of the writer
Uneducated retards have no authority on any subject, so they can be dismissed without any consequence.
>>14212390
>Deflecting with an insult is what retards do.
Indeed.
However he wasn't deflecting, he exercised good judgement on your level of education on the subject.
>>14212409
Nobody has shame. It's imposed from outside by consensus. We no longer have consensus like we used to.
>>14212416
>>14212454
Yeah no.
>t.neurobiologist
>>14212478
>You’re absolutist fanatics
Sometimes I wish we were.
>>14212504
>the only things that exist are physically manifest things i can hold in my hand
cringe
>>14212529
>Stop proselytizing
That's funny coming from a tranny.
>>14212583
>Sure sure, and I’m the queen of England.
No, you're contrapoints lol.
>>14213246
>Split brain patients disprove soul + theism in general.
Citation needed.
>>14213467
>No, you just want those to be true in order to feel good about yourselves.
>you want God to be real so that he will punish you for fapping and watching porn, because that will make you feel better
kek

[Anonymous No.14214897]

>>14212504
The whole point and problem of consciousness is that it's the seemingly immaterial "witnessing" through which all information is known of. Saying it's "not observable" misses the point completely, because it's the fact of observation itself. And denying it existence, while upholding the existence of empirical objects, is equivalent to affirming the existence of color while denying the existence of eyes. If you're going to deny consciousness, you're denying the empirical items within it by extension. But I'm not sure any of this is worth explaining to someone who calls other people "retarded" because they can't hold the act of awareness in their hand or point to it on a piece of organic matter, while thinking he's solved the problem by denying its existence altogether.

[Anonymous No.14214930]

>>14212174
Religion is for boomers, on day of the pillow all clerics will get choked.

[Anonymous No.14215112]

>>14214745
There are shitposters, and then there are piece-of-shit posters.

[Anonymous No.14215119]

>>14214745
Based.

[Anonymous No.14215135]

>>14212174
who the fuck are you quoting

[Anonymous No.14215157]

>>14214897
I don't deny that it exists. I just deny that it's in the reality.

[Anonymous No.14215164]

>Monism
>Dualism
I reject both of these. The answer is an infinite regress of alternatives, a geometric ontological topology.

By reducing all things to the insect-like perspective of your human mind and soul, you will never arrive at the truth. Even the infinite monad is an inconsequential speck in something that defies even the basic categorization of "thing". The domain must be expanded, concentric thought must be overcome.

[Anonymous No.14215201]

>>14212345
The New Testament is anti-Semitic.

[Anonymous No.14215232]

>>14215164
I read your text, then saw your picture and laughed

[Anonymous No.14215321]

>>14215201
Jews will say this because they hate Christianity and Whites.
Natsocs will say this because they want to reconcile Christianity with their racial understanding of jews.

In reality the biblical Christ was perfectly cool with jews who had faith in Him. It was only jews who clung to legalistic rabbinicalism he couldn't stand.

[Anonymous No.14215536]

>>14215232
Good, you may now begin to understand.

[Anonymous No.14215724]

>>14212478
>mothnigger opinion on anything
I guess irony is lost oñ you

[Anonymous No.14215738]

Redpill me on non dualism

[Anonymous No.14215822]

>>14215321
Christianity unironically freed me from national socialism

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.14215898]

>>14212478
>I don't like them and disagree with them
>they should leave forever
>I'm not intolerant, YOU'RE intolerant
Good post.

[Anonymous No.14215918]

>>14215738
Non dualist Christianity is the ultimate redpill

[Anonymous No.14215953]

>>14215738
the final red-pill unironically

[Anonymous No.14215985]

>>14215918
>>14215953
Where do i begin? What should i read?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14215987]

>>14215724
>>14215898
>You should tolerate the intolerant
>How else can we establish our monoculture of Christian NPC fascism
Of course the finer points of the argument are lost on you. You’re literally hollow heads

[Anonymous No.14215989]

>>14215985
The Bible.

[Anonymous No.14215997]

>>14215987
Implying tolerance is a good thing in the first place.

[Anonymous No.14216003]

>>14215985
upanishads

[Anonymous No.14216013]

>>14215321
>In reality the biblical Christ was perfectly cool with jews who had faith in Him
Yeah and those jews became christians and the jews who remained jewish were condemned as the sons of the devil.

[Anonymous No.14216018]

It doesn't matter what you believe. If it's wrong it's wrong and if it's right it's not a belief. Belief in "god" is irrational. Belief is one of the dumbest concepts because it attempts to give validity to bullshit.

[Anonymous No.14216022]

>>14215987
Then the society isnt actually tolerant.

[Anonymous No.14216023]

>>14215321
>In reality the biblical Christ was perfectly cool with jews who had faith in Him.
In other words, Jews who stopped being Jews.

[Anonymous No.14216051]

>>14215918
... That's what most christianity is...
>>14215985
Standard catholic teaching.
There are lots of resources out there.
>>14215997
The morality of tolerance is heavily context-dependent.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14216057]

>>14216022
That’s a paradox for you.
But really. One should be intolerant with the intolerant.
Not everyone else

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.14216066]

>>14215987
Except literally no one has suppressed you here, while you go into every thread (even ones you dont like) and derail them.

[Anonymous No.14216078]

>>14216057
>>14216066
How about this: we can only be intolerant towards tripfags.
Now get the fuck off this board.

[Anonymous No.14216082]

>>14216057
That means I should be intolerant of the tolerant
Cant you see that the conclusion literally breaks tolerance down into intolerance of everything

[Anonymous No.14216104]

>>14212385
I'm cringing so hard

[Anonymous No.14216127]

>>14212182
>hope
>never going to make it
lmao, indifference and despair are permanent and the way to go? lmao

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14216143]

>>14216082
No, it doesn’t

[Anonymous No.14216243]

>>14215822
>>14216013
>>14216023
Can you stop being white?

[Anonymous No.14216253]

>>14216143
>uh... you can't just put trannies in camps
Says the tranny.

[Anonymous No.14216310]

>>14216143
If it is the imperative of tolerance to be intolerant of the intolerant, then the tolerant are themselves intolerant, and the imperative demands I not tolerate them. Whether a person is himself tolerant or intolerant, the dictate of tolerance demands he not be tolerated. Hence, the paradox of tolerance requires universal intolerance

[Anonymous No.14216495]

>>14216243
yes, all it takes is slaying the racial distinction egregore

[Anonymous No.14216591]

>>14215985
this

https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html

[Anonymous No.14216593]

>>14216495
Here's a toothpick. There's the sun. Unseat him, oh knight of La Mancha!

[Anonymous No.14216619]

>>14216591
>being informed of subtle cosmogony by half-starved street shitters

[Anonymous No.14216716]

>>14216051
>>14215989
>>14215985
>>14215918
Wtf the only christian non-dualist mystics were far and few between and when they did crop up every now and then they were treated as heretics by their contemporaries.
There have been so few of them in history, let alone in the shitshow that is modern Christianity. How do you expect to practice Christian non-duality today?
Abrahamics need to stop coopting the rise of interest in actual non-dual traditions. If no one was talking about the Indians on this board, the Christians wouldn’t be saying shit about non-duality.

[Anonymous No.14216821]

>>14216593
I can only unseat the portion that lives in my head, and direct others to where they might look for the portion that lives in theirs.

[Anonymous No.14216852]

>>14216821
>biology is a spook
The absolute bankruptcy of Stirnerites.

[Anonymous No.14216861]

>>14212385
not everything that is real is material.

[Anonymous No.14216886]

>>14213246
No, it doesn't. Boom, the end. Good night.

[Anonymous No.14216966]

>>14216852
I'm not saying biology is a spook goof ball. I'm saying that race is, or more precisely the idea that it is worthwhile to differentiate between people on a racial basis.

[Anonymous No.14217511]

>>14216966
>I hold the mainstream opinion provided to me by megacorps and the public school system because I'm a radical individualist

The sad thing is you secretly don't even believe it.

[Anonymous No.14217844]

>>14216018
Belief is the core attribute for perception.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14217929]

>>14216310
Says the smoll brain.
Language and absolutists are all so fuzzy. But not in the cute way

[Anonymous No.14218089]

>>14217511
I like how you think my idenity is so tied up in being an individual that holding any majority opinion would break me.
To be clear though, public schools and mega corps don't think race is a egragore given form and presence through ritualistic practices of human belief, they think race "should not matter" except when they're seeking funds or marketing.

[Anonymous No.14218155]

>>14218089
>I like how you think my idenity is so tied up in being an individual
You're he one posing Stirner memes and insiting the most indelible aspect of your personhood isn't relevant to anything.

>To be clear though, public schools and mega corps don't think race is a egragore given form and presence through ritualistic practices
Yeah. That's your own weird justification for making you feel you're next-level smart while still agreeing with the Coca Cola corporation.

[Anonymous No.14218168]

>>14216716
In what way are you using the word 'dualist' exactly?

[Anonymous No.14218197]

>>14215987
Communism/socialism shouldn't be tolerated then, it caused the death of even more people than national socialism.

[Anonymous No.14218385]

>>14218168
Not him, but since they were talking about non-dualism, dualist in that context would mean someone who maintains that there is an absolute and permanent difference between our consciousness/souls and God

[Anonymous No.14218409]

>>14218155
>most indelible aspect of your personhood
I'm going to assume that this is your stand in for race.
My position is not that race doesn't matter, I think it matters alot, my position is that race only exists as egregore given form and presence through ritualistic practices of human belief. As such if we stop those ritualistic practices race would die. I used the stirner meme because his conception of social constructions living in the minds of people and given form by their action is applicable and accessible because it's related to well known western conception of self-interest.

[Anonymous No.14218662]

>>14217929
>>14216310
The Pooper-Marcuse "le don't tolerate the intolerant" is just a mask of neutrality over blatant ideological prejudice. It serves an inherently conservative function in assuming that there are things "we just KNOW are good and evil", thus things we just DO and DON'T tolerate. This is why it's so funny to see radicals and anarchists, the ostensible unmaskers of hegemony under normativity, making this sort of argument.

[Anonymous No.14218711]

>>14217929
Its logic not language. You cant say "durrr its all semantics bro" without even justifying it

[Anonymous No.14218712]

>>14213467
>knowledge of God makes me feel good about myself
It makes me feel good but definitely not about myself. Knowledge about myself can sometimes do that.

[Anonymous No.14218716]

>>14214930
Journalists are the clergy of the modern world, but I suppose opposing the modern heretics takes priority...

[Anonymous No.14218804]

>be me
>unironically ask oneitis how she reconiciles atheism with having meaning in life
>she gives a nihilist answer
>press her on how death is finality and that this is an existential horror that all people must confront to have peace of mind
>tell her about Kierkegaard, Dostoevsky, Anselm, and Aquinas

I can't figure out if this was a beta or Chad move.

[Anonymous No.14218841]

>>14218804
Neither. Anyways she won't get it. Maybe she will prentend to understand, just like you did when you explained to her those things.

[Anonymous No.14218859]

>>14218841
Yeah, she didn't really get it, she just said "Yeah, I guess I don't really care because I'll be dead anyway."

[Anonymous No.14218892]

>>14218859
I know your type, stop talking to people about this kind of stuff, you will only regret it.

[Anonymous No.14218913]

>>14218892
Why's that?

[Anonymous No.14218919]

>>14218913
Because you're never as smart, never as clever as you think you are.

[Anonymous No.14218927]

>>14213246
Took the time to crop this out of Feser's Philosophy of the Mind just for you.

Bottom part is this, if you're lazy.
>The behavior of “split-brain”patients is no less subject to interpretation, interpretation that can reflect the enthusiastic theorizing of the researcher as much as the objective facts.To begin with,
the two hemispheres of the brains of such patients are not completely disconnected – there are other connections between the halves that remain undisturbed, and thus there are no grounds for insisting that the halves must be associated with different “minds.” Furthermore, under ordinary conditions, such patients behave more or less normally, or at least not in any way that suggests that more than a single mind occupies their bodies. It is only in contrived experimental contexts that they can be made to exhibit remarkable behavior, and even then that behavior is by no means obviously best interpreted as involving a “division” of the mind. Many researchers hold instead that such behavior,when examined carefully,amounts to little more than a variation on the awkwardness,failure of co-ordination,or general cognitive malfunctioning that can result from any serious injury to the brain,or an exaggeration of the absent-mindedness or incoherence that we all exhibit from time to time.

[Anonymous No.14218933]

>>14218919
I wasn't really doing it to show off, I've just been struggling with existential stuff for a while now and decided to ask for someone else's perspective. I wasn't trying to argue, I was just asking her a question about life.

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>>14218662
We do just know genocide is “evil” or undesirable

>>14218711
Smoll brain

>>14218804
>>14218841
She’s got it figured out and you two are still in the dark. Existential horror? It’s a big “aw crap” and lets get on with a good life. You netherworld people make this, our world and existence, a living hell trying to force your ghost stories on everyone else, and she’s sitting back trying to live a decent life. Fuck your kind are intolerable

[Anonymous No.14218946]

>>14218941
What is a "good" life?

[Anonymous No.14218950]

>>14218941
how does she know what a decent life is, hmm?

[Anonymous No.14218955]

>>14215987
Oof yikes, what you just said seems intolerant to me and I have no choice but to act intolerant to you.

Don't even try to argue that I am the intolerant one for I have already made up my mind that you are the intolerant one which justifies any intolerance on my part.

No I won't even argue the point, I don't argue with intolerant people since I am proudly tolerant, a champion of tolerance in fact, which makes me your natural enemy.

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.14218956]

>>14215987
I REALLY fucking miss Christopher Hitchens

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2009/02/hitchens200902

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>>14218946
Happiness. Love. Ataraxia. Stuff like that.

>>14218950
I hope she finds it. Your kind make it very difficult though.

>>14218955
Smoll brain

[Anonymous No.14218966]

>>14218946
>>14218950
>>14218955
Another nihilistic free thinker that can't comprehend a world without Christian ethics and the golden rule. MANY such cases

[Anonymous No.14218981]

>>14218927
Not him but thanks for this.
Feser isn't the best of sources, but it's a start. Stuff like this and blindsight really interests me.

[Anonymous No.14218983]

>>14218965
All of which is meaningless in death.

[Anonymous No.14218989]

>>14218965
No you, intolerant scum.

>>14218966
I've not been a nihilist since I was in my early teens.

[Anonymous No.14219001]

>>14218981
No problem, it interests me too.

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.14219024]

>>14218965
>I hope she finds it. Your kind make it very difficult though.
Your kind? Philosophers? "What is good" is literally phil101. I was implying that she inherited her idea of the good from the culture she was born into which, like it or not, has based its laws and customs for the past millennia on Christian doctrine. She agrees with this idea of the good because it is good, regardless of what she thinks of religion or whatever.

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>>14218956
>Toward the end of the Second World War, George Orwell wrote to his friend Mulk Raj Anand to predict that one day there would be a whole category of English literature written by Indians. Today, no literate person has not absorbed a novel by Vikram Seth or Arundhati Roy or R. K. Narayan or Rohinton Mistry, and for most European and North American readers the breakthrough moment came when Salman Rushdie published Midnight’s Children, in 1981

Too bad lit isn’t as well read enough to talk about Indian literature

>>14218983
Death is meaningless. Life is everything. A cornucopia of purposes to choose from.

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>>14219024
By “your kind” I mean the spook ridden
Goodness and the golden rule predate Christianity by miles. Predate the spoken word even.

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.14219045]

>>14219028
Keep reading to the end. He address your Popper infographic with something more current than comic book nazis. And anyway what brought the article to mind was the censorship which you seem to be only too happy to partake in enforcing. The culture war bit there at the end.

[Anonymous No.14219055]

>>14219028
None of which actually have fulfillment. None of the purposes are fulfilled because all comes to an end.

[Anonymous No.14219057]

>>14218965
true ataraxia and imperturbability is unattainable unless you let go of the delusion of an independent self
cmon butterfly even sam harris talks about that and he’s a materialist like you

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.14219059]

>>14219043
>implying you aren't spooked to heck and back
For someone who isn't spook ridden you are very concerned with protesting religion. And anyway your friend doesn't predate Christianity she was born into a culture dripping with it. The foggy past you're invoking is irrelevant because it's not her past or in any reasonable sense our common cultural past. Fwiw I do agree that goodness and charity is innate to humans as something we know instinctively.

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>>14219045
I would censor genocidal power hungry mad men.

I am against the law Freedom of Speech (because it is poorly enforced/upheld) but advocate free speech.
The paradox must be navigated on a case by case basis, like kayaking through a river of rocks, you flow. Intolerance for the intolerant means tolerance for the tolerant.

>>14219055
Says you
>But ending bad.
I would like to live many hundreds if not thousands of years, but I imagine I’d like to go sometime

>>14219057
>Sam Harris
C’mon, anon. ... I’m’a turn on the ataraxia right after this post.

>>14219059
I know first hand what evil religion is. I am antitheist out of love

[Anonymous No.14219118]

>>14219096
It's not that the ending is bad, it's that it's meaningless. Everything you accomplish will not matter. What do even things like scientific progress matter? They will not save a single life.

[Anonymous No.14219129]

>>14219096
do you really think all religions are trash and all spiritual traditions and monks and etc are just LARPing, not actually having any profound experiences lol

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>>14219118
Scientific progress could prolong my life. I’d love that.
But this word keeps bothering you, so I’ll repeat it. Death is meaningless. Not life. Everything is in life. Hell even things that aren’t true are “in” life.
Smell the steak sizzle, listen to children giggle. Watch beautiful continental clouds drift far above.
Go make friends. Go find reasons to smile

[Anonymous No.14219159]

>>14213413
From the man who was ashamed of his body and his past which is apparent to any one who has read Porphyry's biography on Plotinus, he is the last person to objectify God when he wouldn't objectify himself, his very bust was made against his consent unbeknownst to him that someone came to him to make his bodily likeness for he would never had agreed to being objectified by the body. Everything you know and say about Plotinus is from the spiritually inverted view of Creationists, failing to even know what "existence" and "creator God" means in the Platonic and Pythagorean system is the state of the spirit into lesser emanations resulting to the four elements and the world soul as U.G.I.Th.A. in harmony to each other in perfect proportion represented by the two points up pentagram where water and air makes life giving rain water to the earth and fire where the idea/spirit falls into creating life. There is no sentient living trans-material divine principle that directly partakes in personality but that isn't the denial of the divine principle, it just isn't its lesser emanations in principle, for all attributes hinges upon the Absolute. Religions always personify principles as gods like how quantum physics personify gravity as gravitons despite how lasers are obviously affected by magnetic field torsion from the convergence of two black holes into one. I basically find almost everyone in this thread and imageboards in general filled with detestable metaphysically retarded fools that merely cite translations without understanding what those translations are trying to translate into the Intellect as their very brain filters out the truth from ever reaching to know thyself and use mental gymnastics to deify not knowing as a form of truth in not knowing which makes you an agnostic in denotation, the error found mutually in both Occident and Orient peoples. Humanity as a whole have peaked after the Neolithic era when it comes to the spontaneous synthesis of the knower and the known, the subject and wisdom.

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>>14219158

[Anonymous No.14219168]

>>14219129
Yes.

[Anonymous No.14219171]

>>14219158
how are you so certain about what happens at death? Have you ever died?

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>>14219171
I’m 99% certain there’s no go creator god and immortal soul, so it would stand to figure there’s nothing, nowhere to go. The thought scared me for a few days, but I got over it, I was relieved to be free of the guilt and the prying eyes in the sky.

If I reincarnate, and realize it(?) I’d be surprised. I do want more life. Give me that genie lamp, I know what I want

[Anonymous No.14219223]

>>14219197
your dismissal of religion as a whole and life after death seems to be rooted in your distaste for abrahamic religion. Perhaps you would feel differently if you hadn’t been brought up in such a ritualistic religion centred around on blind faith.
The creator man in the sky watching you wack off and the immortal soul which leaves the body with memories/personality intact, recognizing grandma at the pearly gates, are not the only options. Total oblivion is not the only other possibility of what could happen desu

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.14219224]

>>14219197
>99% sure

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>>14219223
I’ve considered them.

>>14219224
Spinoza’s and Epicurus’ god(s) are all that is left of the concept of god. And we certainly don’t need one to exist.

[Anonymous No.14219404]

>>14218941

[Anonymous No.14219414]

>>14219197
>I do want more life
Lmao I got over that several reincarnation cycles ago. Keep up newsoul

[Anonymous No.14219499]

>>14218409
If you did what the jews wanted and destroyed all your cultural traditions race as a concept wouldn't die. Your race would die. Literally die, as in stop reproducing and go extinct. Your self interest is tied up in those "rituals" that are the cultural expression of your racial genetics.

You're already well on your way. They've got you thinking your people's traditions are some kind of occult midgymajick. This is a theosophic cope you had to invent to handle the trauma of not being able to defend against attacks on your race.

[Anonymous No.14219506]

>>14218941
Aren't you a tranny?

[Anonymous No.14219518]

>NO NOO! YOU CAN'T JUST BELIEVE IN FAIRY TALE BULLSHIT AND FAIRY TALE BULLSHIT AND STUDY FAIRY TALE BULLSHIT AND FAIRY TALE BULLSHIT, NOOO STOP TALKING ABOUT FAIRY TALE BULLSHIT AND FAIRY TALE BULLSHIT, FAIRY TALE BULLSHIT ISN'T REAL EVERYTHING IS ONLY TRUE, THATS WHY YOU HAVE TO READ HARSH TRUTH AND HARSH TRUTH AND CUT OFF YOUR FAIRY TALE BULLSHIT!! NOOO STOP BEING ANTI-FAIRY-WITH-WMDS AND NOT AGREEING WITH TRUTH!! NOOO!!!

[Anonymous No.14219633]

>>14213243
>if you disagree with me you're le epic strawman i made up in my head

[Anonymous No.14219662]

>>14219518
should have been
>THATS WHY YOU HAVE TO READ HARSH TRUTH AND HARSH TRUTH AND CUT OFF YOUR PENIS