Canada sucks

[Anonymous No.14230094]

Why is Canada such a literary wasteland? What's your excuse?
Name a single Canadian author worth reading. Atwood is shit.

[Anonymous No.14230101]

>>14230094
Snow - Informer

[Anonymous No.14230116]

>>14230094
Creighton and Grant almost make up for the literary disgrace that is Atwood, even if they are historian and philosopher respectively

[Anonymous No.14230124]

>>14230094
Northrop Frye

[Anonymous No.14230125]

>>14230101
Licki boom boom down

[Anonymous No.14230135]

Attention. Fuck Tim Hortons, and fuck every single Provence and Territory with the exception of Labrador and Newfoundland, New Brunswick, and to lesser extents Nova Scotia and Quebec. Thank you and good night.

[Anonymous No.14230165]

>>14230094
We're too busy burning the books to keep warm

[Anonymous No.14230174]

>>14230135
>Fuck Tim Hortons
Basé et rougepillé

[Anonymous No.14230235]

Gaston Miron.

[Anonymous No.14230252]

M A L C O M
A
L
C
O
M

L O W R Y
O
W
R
Y

[Anonymous No.14230257]

Leonard Cohen

[Anonymous No.14230264]

robertson davies

[Munro, Alice Was A Black Man No.14230273]

Alice Munro was a black man

[Anonymous No.14230278]

>>14230252

not canadian, and neither is saul bellow

[Anonymous No.14230307]

why does everyone hate Atwood she is redpilled af
www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/opinion/am-i-a-bad-feminist/article37591823/

[Anonymous No.14230330]

>>14230307
>I am conducting a War on Women, like the misogynistic, rape-enabling Bad Feminist that I am.
wtf I love Atwood now

[Anonymous No.14230356]

Canada is completely insignificant by the numbers compared to world population (35 million compared to 7.5 billion)
If you consider the frequency of great philosophers, how many were there in the 20th century? Like 10 at the most.
The chances of one of those landing in a low population developing nation without much history, are near zero. The majority of the country is a waste land, and we eagerly flee it once the chance to live in a better city/climate presents itself, ie America.
Also our culture is largely low brow and practical, obsessed with sports and outdoor activity
I live in a city that is a complete cultural cesspit
a grey and dull bugman slog, with no grand projects beyond their hockey and football teams with all our business trickling in based on American franchises
our national identity is completely arbitrary
muh maple leaf
muh diversity
muh hockey
muh nature
it is all so dull and cowardly
we take no big stands, have no spirit of adventure
we don't innovate in any way
we just kinda exist as a giant american midwest-esque territory of pure uneventfulness
Im kind of angry about it desu

[Anonymous No.14230374]

Literature isn't limited to single nations nor is it some dick waving contest of which country can produce the best. The /int/ mentality is a disease

[Anonymous No.14230432]

>>14230356
maybe you should try playing hockey, or at least ice skating. Honestly if there's one thing Canadians are good at, it's finding ways to have fun in the freezing cold.

[Anonymous No.14230455]

>>14230356
we are overrepresented in great philosophers: Taylor, McLuhan, Grant, Kymlica, ect.

[Anonymous No.14230520]

>>14230094
Do we count philosophy? If so, I don't think you can disregard Malcolm Gladwell.

[Anonymous No.14230526]

>>14230094
Farley Mowat is great.I just finished Never Cry Wolf, and just started 'And No Birds Sang'

[Anonymous No.14230530]

>>14230356
>dull and cowardly
>ends up describing himself

[Anonymous No.14230550]

>>14230356
>our national identity is completely arbitrary
The idea of a "national identity" is inherently offensive to Canadians. We're more like employees of a large corporation than citizens of a country.

[Anonymous No.14230562]

>>14230124
>>14230550
https://billmoyers.com/content/northrop-frye-understanding-differences-canada-us/

[Anonymous No.14230566]

>>14230135
>Attention. Fuck Tim Hortons, and fuck every single Provence and Territory with the exception of Labrador and Newfoundland, New Brunswick, and to lesser extents Nova Scotia and Quebec. Thank you and good night.

I am Canadian and I agree with everything you said.

[Anonymous No.14230624]

We probably peaked with Anne of Green Gables.
Honourary mention of Farley Mowat though.

I've heard good things about Hugh Maclennan & Stephen Leacock, but I dunno.

[Anonymous No.14230636]

>>14230094
Just get annexed by America and you'll get to share in its literary glory

[Anonymous No.14230645]

>>14230094
>Name a single Canadian author worth reading.
Richler.

[Anonymous No.14230660]

>>14230645
Everyone reads Duddy in highschool, but what else has he done other than move to Europe and make Quebec mad?

[Anonymous No.14230783]

>>14230550
I moved to Canada (Alberta) from Europe about half a year ago and I found my experience to be rather different. I would say that there is a very distinct Canadian national identity that manifests itself as you described it, HOWEVER, you are all deep inside proud of it and view it as distinctly Canadian.

[Anonymous No.14230826]

>Ctrl+F
>Mordecai Richler
>0 results
you fucking dimwits

[Anonymous No.14230895]

>>14230826
Literally look up two posts u fucking imbecile

[Anonymous No.14231008]

>>14230356
>t. hasn't studied Canadian history, followed trends in Canadian music, or followed film and television
>not considering the world-renown research achievements of U of T, McGill, and UBC
>not taking pride in stable government vs. the shitshow of Brexit and US politics
maybe the problem is you, anon, not the country

[Anonymous No.14231029]

>>14230895
rude

[Anonymous No.14231061]

>>14231008
>film and television
okay anon, I'm as patriotic of a Canadian as you can imagine, but the US poaches all the good film/tv talent. Villeneuve is one of the greats but he's not making "Canadian" films anymore. Incendies was kino though

[Anonymous No.14231238]

Our problem isn’t a poverty of literature, its a poverty of literary culture.
Canada’s literary culture consists of sixty year old women reading decent, but safe, novels, and talking about it in their community libraries and coffee shops.
Most young people here who aren’t just status chasing immigrants actually do take an interest in poetry, politics, history and so on, but there’s not much infestructure to do much with it. Our publishing houses mostly stick to bland local-historical pulp novels and we don’t have any literary magazines of worth.
Online Canadians probably talk amongst themselves more than any country in the world about their (lack of) literary culture and national pride. All this seems to speak to the great lack of it more than any thing.
France and America are literary superpowers in part because they toot their own horn a lot. They have powerful publishing houses which promote authors, and occasionally some of those authors are good. What do we have?
Personally I live in Vancouver and the majority of the people here don’t even speak english as their first langauge. All the locals, with deep roots to the history and geography, live in small towns and are forced to talk about their grandiose realizations about Canadian culture and identity through 4chan and reddit.
We’re a country full of secessionists and romantics, with a potential that I think weighs on the back of every Canadian who takes an interest in arts and letters, but as long as our cities are international centers of finance without any connection to the countryside, and our journals and magazines consist of turgid gossip, and our politics consist of half-ironically copy and half-ironically reacting to whatever political craze is gripping the usa, I don’t see how we can develop a cultre

[Anonymous No.14231272]

>>14230660
Europe? Richler lived in Que Eastern Townships these roots are prominent in Joshua Then and Now. Vs cancon dreck Richler was just a good writer.

[Anonymous No.14231380]

>>14231061
same goes for a big chunk of actors/performers. They start in Canada and then make it big and don't look back

[Anonymous No.14231393]

>>14231238
Any Canadian book my aunt describes reading for her rich white 60's women book club all sound like April Raintree spinoffs, aka just extensions of what students should be reading in school to foster cultural empathy, not for advanced readers

[Anonymous No.14231418]

Canada is part of Greater America. Its not like you can't read American authors and get the same experience as Americans

[Anonymous No.14231426]

Hemingway

[Anonymous No.14231435]

>>14231238
>Personally I live in Vancouver
Vancouver is /lit/ af though, you can go to that big beautiful library that looks like the coliseum and try not to get stabbed by junkies; it's like something out of a beat novel

[Anonymous No.14231436]

>>14230526


I like Farley. Read , " and no birds sang", this summer. Good book

[Anonymous No.14231437]

>>14231272
He moved to Paris as a teen, but I thought he lived there longer than he did

[Anonymous No.14231442]

>>14231437
ah ok np

[Anonymous No.14231448]

>>14231435


Pie chart of the ethnic breakdown of Vancouver from the 2016 census
European (47.2%)
Chinese (26.5%)
South Asian (6%)
Filipino (5.8%)
Southeast Asian (2.7%)
Aboriginal (2.1%)
Latin American (1.7%)
Japanese (1.6%)
Korean (1.5%)
West Asian (1.4%)
Black (1%)
Arab (0.5%)
Multiple visible minorities (1.8%)
Visible minority not included elsewhere (0.2%)

[Anonymous No.14231451]

>>14231435
Yeah its nice. The used bookstores dt are pretty cool as well.

[Anonymous No.14231454]

>>14230562
This. Frye nails why Canlit is so dogshit. Him and Thomas King are the only redeemable Canadian authors.

[Anonymous No.14231461]

>>14230094
we have Catholic Baudrillard. what's your problem

[Anonymous No.14231462]

>>14230257
This
Beautiful Losers is top tier

>>14231435
>feeling unsafe in the VPL
pretty cringe. i'll meet you there right now if you want to get stabbed though.

[Anonymous No.14231465]

>>14231448
>wahhh culture is impossible in these conditions
white fragility

[Anonymous No.14231466]

>>14231436
I read And No Birds Sang as well and liked it though it had that unaccountable Can Lit stench that all Can Lit seems to have.

[Anonymous No.14231474]

>>14231462
based gastown junkie

[Anonymous No.14231478]

>>14231462
the last time I was there I got yelled at by someone tweaking in the downstairs bathroom with his pants around hos ankles. he slammed the stall door and continued muttering numbers under his breath while I pissed.

[Anonymous No.14231485]

>>14231465
Extreme rent increases and job displacement is the main issue that makes it undesirable. Culture is a non-issue.

[Anonymous No.14231494]

>>14231474
Gastown is literally the waterfront filter against DTES junkies because all those art shops and restauraunts have Paladin security guards with bear spray and telescopic batons

[Anonymous No.14231527]

>>14230094

https://www.amazon.ca/419-Will-Ferguson/dp/0143176013

https://www.amazon.ca/Shoe-Roof-Will-Ferguson-ebook/dp/B06ZZ1YD8L/ref=dp_kinw_strp_1

He's Canadian and these are great.

419 is about a daughter of a boomer going to nigeria to get his retirement money back after he falls for a scam and kills himself. Satisfying ending

Shoe on the Roof is about a spergo med student trying to proove to three schitzos that think they're all jesus that it's not possible to get back at his ex gf

Canada is a great place to live in terms of chillness. No one gives a shit what you do really, just don't be a dick.

I've travelled to Europe and South America a lot, headed to Japan next year. There is definitely a lack of discernible culture here but for the melting pot of multiculturism I have hope that something good will come with more time.

We're a young country but I think we're stepping up on the world stage to show how developed countries should behave.

[Anonymous No.14231547]

>>14231527
damn Will Ferguson posts on /lit/. Makes sense.

[Anonymous No.14231548]

>>14231465
Its hard to have a coherent culture when half the people on the street at any given time are incapable of communicating with each other beyond rudimentary ESL babble. I love Vancouver, but there’s a noticable lack of coherence in that city.

[Anonymous No.14231555]

>>14231448
yeah, like I said, Vancouver is /lit/ af

[Anonymous No.14231571]

>>14230094
There are many good French Canadian authors: Gabrielle Roy, Anne Hébert, Dany Laferrière, Réjean Ducharme, and many more.

[Anonymous No.14231574]

>>14231478
isn't that just living in a city?

[Anonymous No.14231580]

Canadians are just very safe and pragmatic people. They don't really see much value in breaking the mold or obsessively going over the top to prove yourself. They just want to be comfortable day in and day out. Rocking the boat bothers them; they take great pride in being the people who DIDN'T decide to freak out and leave the Empire, after all.

[Anonymous No.14231598]

>>14231574
depends what street you live on

[Anonymous No.14231603]

is William Gibson lit and/or Canadian?

[Anonymous No.14231609]

Canadians think they are like better Americans, like New England wasps except even more selfrighteous and without the aristocratic background

[Anonymous No.14231614]

>>14230094

Exactly because it is unironically one of the best places to live on Earth - it does not produce the suffering which is requisite to truly great art, as is the case with Russia. This may change in the coming decades with Chinese buying-up of property and continuing diversification of the population. t. United States citizen

[Anonymous No.14231653]

>>14230094
Alice Munro is aight
Wyndham Lewis isn't really Canadian but what else do we have
Leonard Cohen and Mordecai Richler have already been mentioned
I think there is something in Canadian culture which prevents against literature, probably along the lines of what >>14231580 is saying, as well as brain drain. But I think all things considered we haven't done horribly. Australia doesn't have much of a literary culture either, but people don't notice because they are a lot more confident in their nationhood

[Anonymous No.14231656]

>>14231653
oh and forgot to mention Robertson Davies

[Anonymous No.14231657]

>>14231598
No it doesn't. I can have a mansion up in the hills any time I gotta go into town I'm still gonna see bums screaming at nothing.

[Anonymous No.14231660]

>>14231609
Misread. Canadians by and large are disgruntled postal workers waiting to explode, the niceness thing is a front.

[Anonymous No.14231752]

>>14231657
seeing a bum on East Hastings out the window of your Tesla and being accosted
by a bum in the bathroom of the public library are totally different kettles of fish. Keep in mind, I love the vpl and end up writing great stuff when I'm there, it can have a very noided vibe

[Anonymous No.14231774]

>>14230526
Sitting down to read Farley Mowat is always the highlight of my day. I think The Farfarers was the first nonfiction book I ever read.
Not sure how well his attempts at anthropology hold up to academic scrutiny though.

[Anonymous No.14231995]

>>14230566
Same but pei is based

[Anonymous No.14232010]

>>14230135
based. I live on the west coast. Utter cultural wasteland. Fuck this place.

[Anonymous No.14232027]

>>14231435
the junkies are just poor people, man. This isn't some kind of fantasy land.

[Anonymous No.14232029]

>>14231660

[Anonymous No.14232067]

>>14232027
>all poor people are drug addicts
I'm a poor person, and somehow I managed to never stick a heroin needle in my arm.

[Anonymous No.14232268]

>>14230356

You must live in Winnipeg.

[Anonymous No.14232279]

>>14231555
is this the dude who thinks vancouver is some cyberpunk city of the future because he lives in an apartment with 6 mexican men
If it is, you're fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.14232318]

culture of middlebrow

[Anonymous No.14232321]

>>14232067
oh yeah? You sleep on the streets?

[Anonymous No.14232341]

>ctrl + f Douglas Coupland
>1 result [unrelated]

come on now...and thats with a lot of Vancouver posters ITT

>>14232279
Vancouver might have been mildly futuristic in the '80s when the SkyTrain was new.
the notion that it was ever "cyberpunk" is only cause William Gibson lived here (and he was explicitly inspired by Japanese cities)

I guess being an economic colony of China with Teslas everywhere (and some bold neofutur architecture on the way) - with a HORDE of crack and heroin addicted lunatics - is "high tech, low life"

>>14231752
>>14231462
>>14231435
>VPL
its dystopian. schizos talking to themselves in bathroom stalls about people coming to kill them, while another bum is brushing his teeth. weed on the table. walking by the computers is really funny sometimes.

>>14231603
born in America, moved to Vancouver when he was 19 (draft dodger)

[Anonymous No.14232348]

>>14232341
>Douglas Coupland
douglas coupland sucks fat cocks

[Anonymous No.14232518]

Vancouver meetup when?

[Anonymous No.14232532]

>>14232321
oh look at mr. poverty gatekeeper; no, I'm not homeless, I live in a rundown apartment with a bunch of junkies. the amount of homeless in BC that aren't addicts or mentally ill is very small. effective treatment for mental illness would transform east van and you haven't talked to enough homeless people if you think any different.

[Anonymous No.14232543]

>>14232532
I've talked to enough crackheads to know they're a lost cause
>>14232518
Funky Winker Bean metal monday is the only acceptable venue

[Anonymous No.14232581]

>>14230094
shut the fuck up. lil bitch

[Anonymous No.14232584]

>>14232518
>Vancouver meetup when?
i'm sure i already know half of you faggots, i'd prefer not to meet you in such an autistic setting

[Anonymous No.14232675]

>>14230094
try Barbara Gowdy

[Anonymous No.14232680]

>>14230124
>Northrop Frye
based Northrop

>>14230135
>Provence
proxy wut?

[Anonymous No.14232683]

>>14230356
>Im kind of angry about it desu
so do something
make your mark
write the novel we need

[Anonymous No.14232686]

>>14230636
40% of Hollywood is Canadian, we get enough glory.

[Anonymous No.14232689]

>>14230550
>The idea of a "national identity" is inherently offensive to Canadians. We're more like employees of a large corporation than citizens of a country.
W H A T
A
L O A D
O F
S H I T

[Anonymous No.14232690]

>>14230094
Mary Oliver & Anne Carson

[Anonymous No.14233207]

>>14231609
>>14230783
A long running joke is that the only culture Canada has is being smug about not being American, all while watching American tv, reading American books, following American news, importing American food & goods, and spending vacation money to go to the states.
Also that more immigrants actually know who is head of state than natural citizens because they actually have to swear an oath to her.

[هايغ No.14233341]

>no mention of Ondaatje, god this is a pleb board.

[Anonymous No.14233357]

>>14232268
n-no

[Anonymous No.14233668]

>>14230094
I can't belive Robertson Davies isn't adored by /lit/ he checks all of its boxes and it's straightforward enough for all the 19 year olds here.

[Anonymous No.14233677]

>>14232680
>bitching over it being misspelled by one letter

[Anonymous No.14234293]

>>14233668
/lit/ exclusively enjoys books that are too advanced for them

[Anonymous No.14234323]

>>14233207
Imagine having the most bloated media industry in the world and losing to a couple trailer park hosers with a stolen camera.

[Anonymous No.14234661]

>>14230550
The identity lies in winter and hockey, it refutes examination it just is.

[Anonymous No.14234866]

Ok /lit/ Vancouverites, what are your favorite bookshops in town?

[Anonymous No.14234889]

>>14230135
Merci, frère. Basé et pillule rouge.

[Anonymous No.14234901]

>>14232010
From New Brunswick and staying in Vancouver for a bit fuck this shithole city

[Anonymous No.14234904]

>>14230550
Yeah speak for yourself, anglo

[Anonymous No.14234925]

>>14230135
wtf happened to tims coffee it's sludge now

[Anonymous No.14234962]

>>14231995
It is, but from what my PEI relatives say, it's basically falling under the same problems as Vancouver

[Anonymous No.14235074]

>>14234866
Bugman question. Bugman city. If you want /lit/ you're going to need to go to the provinces past Ontario.

[Anonymous No.14235407]

I'm in the VPL come find me and I'll beat you up then suck you off.

[Anonymous No.14235409]

>>14230356
>we

[Anonymous No.14235715]

>>14234866
The one on like 29th or 30th and Main. White guy with grey hair behind the desk, absolute mess of a shop, decent prices and open late. You can buy a book to read on your way home from drinking in the bars next door.
>>14235074
Post your oeuvre, literary man.

[Anonymous No.14235834]

>>14231061
Everyone goes to America to make it "big" and they just produce garbage anyway.When normies salivate over Disney and whatever garbage Netflix tries to adapt nothing of value has been lost.

[Anonymous No.14235851]

>>14231548
Canadians and American's don't have a culture anyway, you either identify with the Chinese or Euro's or you a mutt.

[Anonymous No.14235856]

>>14232279
Yeah and I should move to America and live among the blacks, mutts, jews and sjw? I'll take the average Chinese over a Mutt.

[Anonymous No.14235861]

>>14230094
Kerouac

[Anonymous No.14235876]

based vancouverites ITT

[Anonymous No.14235890]

>>14230094
Margaret Laurence

[Anonymous No.14235898]

>>14230278
I thought Lowry was Canadian?

[Anonymous No.14235902]

>>14235856
What the fuck does this reply have to do with my post

[Anonymous No.14235905]

>>14231061
Wb the Sweet Hereafter

[Anonymous No.14235916]

>>14234866
that old fag sex one off davie
I've never actually been

>>14235898
apparently "Ferry to Gabriola" has nothing to do with the ferry to gabriola, either

[Anonymous No.14235919]

>>14232532
What is mental health services but a training exercise? What is so good about being a good little worker who pays his bills? Better than being on the street - yet, is this kind of life really worth it all?

[Anonymous No.14235923]

>>14233341
Based Ondaatje-poster

[Anonymous No.14235947]

Norm Macdonald. Unironically his book was good.

[Anonymous No.14235976]

>>14235876
Are we reading the same thread? The only "based" posters here are from PEI, NB, LB&NF, NS and Quebec.

[Anonymous No.14235981]

>>14235919
I said /effective/ mental health treatment which does not exist in the western world

[Anonymous No.14235987]

>>14235976
Don't you have some snow to shovel, or some welfare to collect, or some cod to fis- oh right LMAO
Maritimer posters getting ornery this time of year waiting for their boyfriends to come back from Fort Mac, really can't blame them

[Anonymous No.14236005]

>>14232341
I liked your "Little Animals" story Doug, but you used your fame to hijack the beach art of my close family friend. Also, please refrain from splashing neon blues and pinks over any more of our skyscrapers-- I would pick my least favorite east side mural over that postmodern mess of yours.

[Anonymous No.14236020]

>>14235987
>Don't you have some snow to shovel, or some welfare to collect, or some cod to fis- oh right, LMAO, DUDE HOMOSEXUALITY LIKE I CANT BLAME THEM BECAUSE I LIVE IN A BIG FRICKIN CITY WHERE SODOMY IS ACCEPTED AND PREVALENT, frickin backwoods snow shoveling bigots.

[Anonymous No.14236034]

>>14236020
man I really struck a nerve with that fag joke, you have a gay disowned brother or something?

[Anonymous No.14236037]

>>14235987
They have character, culture and scruples, unlike you.

[Anonymous No.14236036]

>>14235976
t. mad because he only has one kind of salmon

[Anonymous No.14236056]

>>14236034

[Anonymous No.14236082]

>>14236056
>0.7% more gay people than Salt Lake City, the Mormon capital of the world
would have expected a bit more drastic of a spread desu. gay people are /lit/ though faggot

[Anonymous No.14236107]

>>14236082
Thanks for proving that you're not /lit/, are a sodomite city-dwelling bugman that ventured here from reddit.

[Anonymous No.14236153]

>>14235987
I look forward to seeing my husband come back from Fort Mac, we're going to go do some hiking and after open a bunch of oysters we got from his granddad.
They're super cheap in the east coast, 75 cents per shell if you know someone raising them, so I went a bit nuts and bought like 80 of them and will share'em with friends.

[Anonymous No.14236154]

>>14236056
That's Vancouver, Washington you dumbass lmao
I have no doubt I'm surrounded by sodomites in real Vancouver, I just doubt there's any literary output from bumfuck East Coast either. La resentiment, oo Lala. When you spend your next remittance welfare check on a night out, welcoming your boys back from Western Canada for Christmas, think of me!

[Anonymous No.14236181]

>>14236154
Nabokov said resentment was the greatest fuel to burn in the fire of writing. One resentful man in New Brunswick could produce a better work of art than the entire "literary output" of any big city filled with useless retard pseuds who went to school for "English Literature" and "creative writing" who think they are going to make it big one day.

[Anonymous No.14236193]

>>14236181
Okay, let's see it then. We both agree the sum of Vancouver has nothing worthwhile. Let's see the great literary output of New Brunswick.

[Anonymous No.14236209]

>>14236193
Give it another decade.

[Anonymous No.14236218]

>>14236193
La Sagouine by Antonine Maillet?

There's also a lot of oral story telling in the Maritimes. Or there used to be.

[Anonymous No.14236220]

>>14236209
Typical.

[Anonymous No.14236226]

>>14236193
Charles G. D. Roberts

[Anonymous No.14236231]

>>14236226
oh yeah Sir Charles God Damn Roberts, I heard of him, never read his stuff though

[Anonymous No.14236232]

>>14236220
Doesn't change the fact that it's more /lit/ than anything from Ontario westward combined, including your worthless bugman city.

[Anonymous No.14236255]

>>14236056
>Vancouver, Washington
>the homosexual capital of Canada

[Anonymous No.14236258]

>>14235981
That's just a self evident circular reason then. "We cure them with the cure." Of course. But to me, the cure is not personal. It is the sickness of the economy, the political, the moral, the social, and so forth, whatever you wish to call it, there is no personal therapy which would be good to someone other than some form of buddhism.

Middle class people may have a naive view on the poor and see them as mere victims. But poor people do not see so clearly what its like to be in the middle class. It is vacuous, decadent, spiritually empty. Our goal should not be to get every person that is poor to merely be a part of this too.

[Anonymous No.14236261]

>>14236255
It's close enough.

[Anonymous No.14236265]

>>14236232

[Anonymous No.14236302]

>>14236107
I'm not gay myself but write good books. even Plato wrote about buggering little boys. reddit are the moralizers anon, it is an attitude definitional to bugmen

[Anonymous No.14236308]

>>14236218
La Saguine is unironically insanely based. French literature is pretty decent in Canada just not very popular or translated. Un homme et son péché by Claude-Henri Grignon is a classic in Québec.

[Anonymous No.14236310]

>>14236302
>even Plato
No he didn't. He wrote the dead opposite.

[Anonymous No.14236317]

>>14236258
I'm just pointing out the issue, I have no idea how to solve mental illness
>personal therapy
I said /effective/ mental health treatment

[Anonymous No.14236323]

>>14236310
"males" and "boys" were not the same thing to the Greeks; read the Symposium

[Anonymous No.14236324]

Hugh Maclennan is a great writer if you enjoy more character oriented, situation driven plots.

He accurately reflects the doldrums and common personality archetypes found in a lot of Eastern Canadian media, and uses third-party narratives and seemingly unclear events and stories that are so often orally dictated in his novels to eschew facts laid down earlier in his story-lines. Maclennan remains one of the golden boys of Canadian literature due to his engrossingly realistic portrayal of sensible human disasters.

[Anonymous No.14236331]

>>14236037
This. Maritimes and Québec have actual soul meanwhile Toronto and Vancouver needs to unironically get nuked it is mutt central. Maybe some places are worse but go od god is Toronto a disgusting city.

[Anonymous No.14236332]

>>14236302
>>14236323
>le plato gay
That's a pop-culture revisionist error. He hated sodomites. Even Paul centuries later used Plato's same argument against them in ad Romanos. There is no endorsement of any same-sex sexual activity in the Symposium, and your post is nonsensical considering the basis for his argument relates to it standing in opposition to procreation which obviously would include any age male as they are unable to become pregnant, idiot.

[Anonymous No.14236337]

>>14236332
>There is no endorsement of any same-sex sexual activity in the Symposium
did you skip Pausanias' speech?

[Anonymous No.14236339]

>>14236331
based

[Anonymous No.14236356]

>>14236317
Ok. You want a mental health treatment. Ill give you something to be happy about.

[Anonymous No.14236558]

>>14230135
>with the exception of Labrador and Newfoundland
Give us back our waterfall you french faggots we aren't your friends

[Anonymous No.14236564]

>>14235898

He lived in Canada for a lot of his writing career. Does that make him Canadian? You decide.

[Anonymous No.14236580]

>>14230356

[Anonymous No.14236587]

>>14236324
I'm from Halifax and never read him, I'll have to read Barometer Rising at some point..

[Anonymous No.14236617]

>>14230257
>>14231462

Here is a great Cohen doc by the NFB: https://www.nfb.ca/film/ladies_and_gentlemen_mr_leonard_cohen/

my love for vintage NFB will have to wait for another thread....ill keep this on topic for now.

[Anonymous No.14236646]

>>14236580
oh god it's there
it's all there

[Anonymous No.14236669]

>>14236558
I consider Labrador and Newfoundland to be even more based than Québec .

[Anonymous No.14236682]

>>14236580
based and leafpilled, he has it pretty much exactly right

[Anonymous No.14236690]

>>14236580
Brutal but accurate.

[Anonymous No.14236709]

>>14236580
Idiotic fantasy. Transsexual orgies? Lol sure. Suuure buddy. Go to any canadian suburb, no canadian city, go for a walk and count the trannies. You'll find practically none. At best a bunch of young straight men and women dressing in a slightly gender neutral but not TOO gender neutral way to tell themselves theyre queer. This whole post is idiotic neuroticism.

[Anonymous No.14236714]

>>14236580
>Canadian literature is reading corporate advertising for American commercial products
Tim Hortons is owned by Wendys or Burger king or some shit right?

[Anonymous No.14236723]

>>14236709

[Anonymous No.14236731]

>>14236709
it's called hyperbole for comedic effect you turbo autist

[Anonymous No.14236738]

>>14236731

[Anonymous No.14236771]

>>14236731
>>14236723
Shut up idiots. Come to terms with your neuroticism about trannies. All of these things you reactionaries weep to yourselves about are mere symptoms of a deeper spiritual problem, and you will never understand what, as long as you see red whenever you even think about a tranny or whatever.

[Anonymous No.14236794]

>>14236771
trannies dont make anyone see red m8 they're so just so fucking absurd they're a good symbol of the times

[Anonymous No.14236905]

Someone in my building left this in the take a book / leave a book shelf. It shifts between a Canadian moving to Japan to teach english and the story of Ranald MacDonald who made his way into to Japan and taught english before Perry blew open their border control
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranald_MacDonald

>>14236587
>I'll have to read Barometer Rising at some point..
I picked that up a couple months ago after a /lit/ recommendation, but shamefully still haven't read it.

[Anonymous No.14236936]

>>14236682
There are two Canadas

[Anonymous No.14236955]

Jack Kerouac. Come at me.

[Anonymous No.14236957]

>>14236955
American and Homosexual. No.

[Anonymous No.14236980]

>>14236794
Yes they're strange. But why do they exist? No, a better question would be.. how could they exist. Isn't being a man or a woman essential to human being? Aren't these things locked up tightly by our hormones? And yet, trannies simply do exist, they modify their bodies so drastically that they do somehow change their gender. I mean.. those trannies, they're certainly not woman, woman can carry a child. Yet, they are certainly not men. Man is not just someone born with a pair of balls and reaches some age. I have a hard time even calling some söyboy sort, cowardly, deathly anxious, unsure, believing in nothing, certainly not himself, and does nothing but follow instruction. Go to school, do as your boss says, consume latest product. Your girlfriend wants an open relationship where she sleeps around and all you do is spend more nights alone? Sure! That's no man is it.

What you will notice now is that gender is not just biological is it? It is a performance, it is a role. Yet, there is nothing wrong with performing a role. We would be utterly lost without at least some categorization. Socialization, work, play, they need categories. Man and woman, human and animal, engineer and doctor.. What is a world without any categories? Without ANY metaphysics? It makes no sense because language is metaphysical.

So, what are we left with? We are at a metaphysical crisis because we do not know how to really believe in metaphysics anymore. We only believe in the physical. You are guilty of this anon. You think a bit too much Ben Shapiro don't you? "Well... actually trannies make no sense because of our DNA!!" But I showed you how untrue that is. Being a man is as much a metaphysical category as male. You dont get to just be a man by having balls and you know it.

This in lies the reconciliation of trannies. The tranny is guilty of not believing in the physical. No matter how ugly and manly they appear they say "I am a woman!!" Ha! How we laugh at this. Yet.. the reactionary has desecrated the metaphyiscal. We see they know this when a tranny passes very well, and is, dare I say it? Kinda hot. Their brains break. They go "oh, yeah I guess i'd MISTAKE them for a woman if I didn't know better.."

You will never get rid of trannies like you will never get rid of metaphysics or physics. You are stuck, and denying this is idiocy. Your goal should not be to lament at their existence, or to try and beat them into submission. You should be trying to get them to understand the physical is just as real as the metaphysical.

[Anonymous No.14237077]

>>14236980
>babbies first gender studies class
did you copy paste that from the discord

[Anonymous No.14237298]

>>14236936
I'm waiting for the French civil against the Anglos and Chinese. Prairie niggers aka the all the Eastern Euros in Alberta and Saskatchewan need to team up with us to get ride of these Chinese shill mutts incapable of running a country. You had your chance Anglos but the Frogs can't stand with this.

[Anonymous No.14237349]

>>14237298
Trudeau is actively diversifying your racist shit hole to preemptively prevents this. Reminder Quebec is the only insane enough province to actually have political parties that want to admit Eastern Canada as the 51st state.

[Anonymous No.14237378]

>>14237349
>Reminder Quebec is the only insane enough province to actually have political parties that want to admit Eastern Canada as the 51st state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parti_51

[Anonymous No.14237679]

>>14236980

[Anonymous No.14237694]

munro
also winnipeg is the worst, most depressing city i've ever been to and i idolize it for that, kind of want to move there and frequent the mattress store i went to desu

[Anonymous No.14237702]

>>14236936
Idiot.

[Anonymous No.14237735]

>>14237077
>>14237679
You idiots will never, ever defeat trannies, because you can't. You have your little memes, but when it gets down to it, you can never argue. This is why you're always going to lose.

[Anonymous No.14237748]

You people are such cowards. I couch my entire argument with "non passing trannies are not women, and you can argue this easily" and you still freak out. I literally give you the key and you still are reduced to meme spouting babies.

[Anonymous No.14237781]

>>14237735
dilate

[Anonymous No.14237798]

>>14237748
Literally you right now

[Anonymous No.14237811]

>>14237748
>non passing trannies
What is this?

[Anonymous No.14237815]

>>14237748
>I couch my entire argument with "non passing trannies are not women, and you can argue this easily"
They didn't even give you the respect you read your posts anon. You aren't being taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.14237889]

>>14237735
I am a gender skeptic and still think you are a fucking retarded pseud
You aren't smart or important just stfu and read more theory

[Anonymous No.14238065]

I think if trannies are going to appear they should keep themselves where they belong on /lgbt/ and /sci/ and /pol/ and stay the fuck off my board and do not be shitting up based Canadian literature threads with your drivel

[Anonymous No.14238083]

>>14237889
>read more theory
FORCED MEME.

[Anonymous No.14238119]

This will be fixed.
I'm currently writing an epic whereby Right Honourable Justin Trudeau confronts his last intersectionality: his Hoserism.
He gives up the prime minister's office to his wife to journey on an epic trot across the Empire of Hosers to find the struggles of the forgotten social justice warriors, those abandoned to small towns and seal clubbing villages of the north. A Drag Queen Inuit becomes his mentor as he whitefaces into the transabled being of Terry Fox.
Will he be able to overcome the final privilege, his latent hoserism?
Hoser Like Me - Coming Soon!

[Anonymous No.14238129]

>>14238119
I'll read it anon

[Anonymous No.14238750]

>>14230094
Justin Bieber is chad tier literature.

[Anonymous No.14239093]

>>14237349
>diversifying
>muh racism!
Yeah shut up mutt we actually care about our way of living and people unlike you faggots who's ONLY semblance of culture is going to the Apple store and sucking cock.

[Anonymous No.14239108]

>>14237349
>prevent this
Expect he literally can't and won't face it we'll be separate from our lifetime. Au revoir, tête carré! J'espére que tu serais violé par les parasites de la société.

[Anonymous No.14240019]

>>14235851
I have the only white privilege that actually exists - I can trace my history back thousands of years.

I don't need your pittance and I sure as a fuck don't need a bootlicker culture.

[Anonymous No.14240079]

Winnipeg anons, any bookstore reccs?

[Anonymous No.14240692]

>>14236714
Now it's owner by some Brazilian company, 3m or something

[Anonymous No.14242034]

>>14232689
https://torontosun.com/2016/09/14/trudeau-says-canada-has-no-core-identity/wcm/60461a6d-7cb4-42a9-b242-05be9aaea46c

[Anonymous No.14242142]

alright Niggers I'm in the VPL again coem find and fuck me if u dare...

[Anonymous No.14243178]

I live in the Capital. I think Canada is what happens when you deterritorialize an entire nation. everyone is a well meaning simpleton who works for the government. No ambition, No sense of urgency or meaning, No identity beyond a Passport. I feel like an alien in an alien place like some sort of creature with a facsimile of the human form. I want to see my homeland accomplish big things and innovate like those whispers of the time we built the greatest plane the world saw. I'm going to leave when I graduate I see no future here just a slow descent into irrelevancy and mediocrity.

[Anonymous No.14243184]

This thread proved that Atlantic Canada is the only part with soul and culture.

[Anonymous No.14243244]

>>14243178
>It is always on the most deterritorialized element that reterritorialization takes place...
>Deleuze and Guattari, A Thousand Plateaus

There is hope, anon. The reterriorialization will happen.

[Anonymous No.14243332]

>>14243178
>just a slow descent into irrelevancy and mediocrity
Sounds good, it arouses less attention in times of global conflict, which feel looming.

[Anonymous No.14243365]

>>14243332
Typical bugman Canadian wants to sit on the sidelines instead of achieving vainglory in the meatgrinder of war

[Anonymous No.14243458]

I have always lived in Winnipeg.

It has been said above that culture is a result of suffering and anguish which I largely agree with. I believe our lack of a distinct culture is because we were a part of the empire until relatively recently, meaning that Anglo-Canadians identified as British more so than anything else. Likewise the Quebecois presumably identified as such, as opposed to British, given their unique heritage.

Euros have had centuries to establish their own culture. The states too developed a distinct culture centuries before we were independent and have therefore had the time to write great novels and postulate the nature of what America means.

Since we are so young and have been so successful and safe and peaceful etc. we have not had any event that necessitated us defining our culture such as a great war. We fought in ww1&2 but it was more just helping our friends than actually fighting in the name of our country. The revolutionary and civil wars entrenched the values of the United States within their history and have influenced the development of their culture. Our only comparisons are the War of 1812 and the Red River Rebellion which established the modern dynamic between Quebec and Ontario, and Ontario and the West respectfully. Our only stresses have been civil and have therefore not prompted any cultural uniformity by my estimation.

Not sure how coherent this is but I hope you can all take something useful away from it.

[Anonymous No.14243483]

>>14243458
literally the only thing I know about winnipeg is what I learned from My Winnipeg, which is a based movie

[Anonymous No.14243512]

>>14243458
should also add that this prompts regional identification more so than a national one. For instance BC, Prairies, ON, QC, Maritimes, and the North all seem like distinct cultural regions with little uniformity but significant similarity.

Perhaps we will echo the fate of the Greek city states and our disunity will be our downfall.

For the record most people in Winnipeg don't even feel that close of a tie to AB and SK given how radically conservative they are (by Canadian standards). We also don't feel too tied to Ontario. It is pretty strange being from Manitoba, I imagine farmers here feel like westerners while people up north and on the eastern border feel like Ontarians. But in Winnipeg we just feel Canadian more so than anything else.

Just do whatever brings you joy and don't worry about anything that is out of your control.

[Anonymous No.14243756]

McLuhan. Also, as a border American, fuck Canada

[Anonymous No.14243778]

>>14232279
Not that anon, but I am that dude.
And fuck you you defeatist loser. What other country has threads like this, full of anonymous voices, many from the same coastal megacity, arguing and bickering about the lack of culture, great traditions, heroic deeds, and intrigue? Does Switzerland do this? Does Finland? Does Niger? Does France? Does the USA? Does Libya? Denmark is also a literary wasteland, but I've never seen a thread with over two hundred heated replies made arguing about the fact.

We might not have a great literary tradition, but our desire for one is a stronger force than I think anyone here recognizes. If there was ever a fertile soil for a romantic movement, it would be Canada. No other country has the same muted national pride, waiting and wanting to be unleashed.

And the fact that we don't have any traditions is a blessing in disguise. If you ask an American what it means to be one, you'll either get some racist bullshit about "white people" or you'll get some faggy non-answer about tolerance and 'freedom'. It's suffocating being in that country, because you're immediately forced into a reality stemming from several hundred years of unbroken tradition. Yes, some countries are great, and regularly produce great people, but most just produce mediocre sheep. Any Canadian in our generation has the potential of a blank slate. An entire country looking for a direction, a sense of contingency, sources of pride. This is exactly the kind of conditions which don't just produce great artists, but demand great artists. If you can't rise to the challenge then get out of the way.

[Anonymous No.14243886]

>>14232518
pls no

>>14235947
has a good vocabulary but ive read his CBC op-eds and gosh what a pseudo-righteous asshat

>>14235976
the couve RUNS this thread

>>14236317
we round them all up and send them to some bumfuck interior detox camp where they get weened off heroin and are taught to carve wood or grow cucumbers or something
but noooo these are "people" with """"human rights"""" (miasma) and such a program would set a 'bad precedent' for involuntary detention

>>14237298
but you know who IS capable of running this country? the Chinese themselves.

>>14242142
fuck I was there today...

>>14236936
there are actually six Canadas but ok

[Anonymous No.14243893]

>>14236936
why do you hate hockey so much?

[Anonymous No.14243983]

AE van Vogt is the only good Canadian writer and “World of Null-A” is the Great Canadian Novel.

[Anonymous No.14243998]

>>14230135

Liberal voting white man from Mississauga here. Hope you enjoy another 4 years you fucking cucks.

[Anonymous No.14244171]

>>14230356
glad i'm not the only one who hates canada. land of mediocrity. canadians are fucking stupid. we have no culture

[Anonymous No.14244184]

Any Toronto chads in the house? Sounds like all of you faggots aren't from the best city in the world.

[Anonymous No.14244200]

>>14244184
Bugman capital of the world.

[Anonymous No.14244220]

>>14243998
I cannot even find the words to describe my hatred for you. That faggot Trudeau is going to take my guns because of retards like you, fuck you for voting my rights away

[Anonymous No.14244222]

>>14244184
>Any Toronto chads*
*cucks.

sorry guys, autocorrect. i don't approve of toxic masculine memes like chad and think it's something made by rural idiots trying to compensate. my wife is in an open relationship so it is ok.

[Anonymous No.14244261]

>>14230135
b b b bbut what about us prairie anons

[Anonymous No.14244274]

>>14244184
Fuck everyone who has ever lived or will ever live in Toronto, and fuck you faggot. Worse than SF. At least SF is geographically interesting.