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How do we feel about Sanders?

>> No.14238289
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Megan for president!

>> No.14238290

>>14238280
THIS IS THE LITERATURE BOARD. WE DON'T HAVE FEELINGS IN HERE.

>> No.14238292

Our guy. The other part of me wants Trump to win so when the recession hits in 2021 he can’t leave it at someone else’s feet

>> No.14238293

>>14238280
Dogmatic geriatric who has no clue how to deal with the disruptive technologies that are coming fast.

>> No.14238296

>>14238280
I can't trust any Jew or Anglo.

>> No.14238297
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The permanent state is not going to let him in. I think he knows it and is maybe just trying to agitate people into making a real change.
Don’t know if he believes there will be a wave of AOC type wins or what. There will be no political revolution. Only a social revolution will work.

>> No.14238301

>>14238297
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.14238304

>>14238292
im entering job market in 2021. might just become bankruptcy lawyer for security instead of m&a stuff. either way im voting for bernie fuck it

>> No.14238310

He’s a fucking moron

>> No.14238314

>>14238280
Who gives a shit. Medicare for all or free college will be as real as Trump's wall if he gets elected.

>> No.14238326

>>14238304
You should enter the sex market if you haven’t already

>> No.14238333

He has my vote, but I doubt he would make a good president or even get anything done. The judges and senate would simply not allow the kinds of policies he's advocating to be enacted so swiftly. And, I hate to sound like a conservative, but I just don't see, practically, how he would manage to cancel student debt. I hardly get how he could ever get away with ending health insurance companies. There's a lot of middle and working class people who work for health insurance companies that would be left jobless.

Anyway, the reason why he has my vote is that he's the only person in America I think has the ability to start a truly progressive movement in the country. He's already had a pretty profound effect in this regard, with party "moderates" promoting socialized medicine and everything. We're gonna need a lot more than the Squad, who the media have much too easy of a time ripping apart every day, to have any sustainable movement though.

>> No.14238338

>>14238314
Trump is literally building a wall. And he's diverted funds and government labor toward the project.

>> No.14238344

>>14238338
Whenever Republicans get in office they actually get shit done. For some reason Democrats are always worried about practicality and incremental progress.

>> No.14238345

>>14238280
I like his original recipe and his gravy is good

>> No.14238355

>>14238297
The social revolution already happened

>> No.14238370

>>14238333
>middle and working class people who work for health insurance companies
They can work for the nationalized health care body, on the same money.

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>>14238355
You ain’t seen nothin’

>> No.14238389

>>14238338
where is this wall then?

>> No.14238395

>>14238389
It's being built right now, he said that

>> No.14238398

>>14238297
>The permanent state is not going to let him in.
Sanders’ real challenge is winning the nomination. Right now, the Democratic Party leadership is in disarray and can’t settle on a candidate. If Sanders can win a whole slew of primaries out of the gate before the field is winnowed down and the Democratic establishment can pick their pony, Sanders may eke out a victory.

>> No.14238401

>>14238387
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

>> No.14238406
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>>14238338
>Trump is literally building a wa-
OK boomer

>> No.14238419

>>14238370
I know that would ease some of the blow, but surely at that point there'd be too many cooks in the kitchen. At the end of the day, it would be one single organization. Perhaps at least at the start it would make more sense to have states administer public health care through federal funding.

>> No.14238421

A bureaucrat that was a socialist early in his life that became hardened by the system and is effectively just another stooge trying to assume a now ceremonial position by kissing ass and making sure he's not a 'racist.' Voting does nothing, the system will be maintained with Sanders, he like Trump is a false alternative, but at least Trump represents a greater threat to the system even if he is also, in fact, the system.

>> No.14238423

>>14238314
Congress is going to look like corporate stooges if they oppose what 70% of the country wants.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/403248-poll-seventy-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all

>> No.14238425

>>14238406
I didn't say it's a good wall, and I didn't say I wanted a wall to be built in the first place. My point is he actually is building a wall. I know of talented and smart people who work for the government whose job has basically become the wall.

>> No.14238426

I’ll vote for him. Though supporters have to be realistic and aware that the state will oppose them even more than they do Trump. The liberal conspiracy theory mindset has been finely honed by Russiagate and they can’t wait to turn it on Bernie too. Even if he is unable to do what he says he wants it will help to have someone in office not actively hostile to something other than neoliberalism (and there is still plenty a president can do if he’s not afraid to break some norms).

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>>14238280
Andrew Yang is better

>> No.14238434

>>14238398
He won it in 2016.
But they would not allow it.

>DNC disarray
Pelosi is getting shit tons of money to ruin their chances of winning, because they're not sure they can get a warhawk in office.
>Sanders may eke out a victory.
And again be swindled.
But say there's a miracle. a mini-social revolution turns to help a feeble political one: This >>14238314 His plans will be stalled, pushed away or watered down.

I invite it all. Something's got to break soon

>> No.14238435

>>14238432
No he's not.

>> No.14238437

>>14238387
>Stirner
>voting

You are literally stupid

>> No.14238438

>>14238280
RUN FOR IT MARTY!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.14238439

>>14238425
What's even the point of building the wall if the wall is utterly useless?

>> No.14238440

>>14238434
I thought you were Icelandic?

>> No.14238444

>>14238437
You literally can't read.

>> No.14238446

>>14238440
no that's Bjork

>>14238434
and this

>>14238314
and this

>> No.14238447
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>>14238435
Why not?

>> No.14238448

>>14238439
>What's even the point of building the wall if the wall is utterly useless?
It's not useless and a wall has been built for years, it's really just a completion of the wall.

>> No.14238454

>>14238387
Wow this is embarrassingly stupid

>> No.14238458

>>14238440
Ó litli. Hverjum er hægt að treysta?

>> No.14238462

>>14238447
Because he's a meme candidate and too genuine of a guy. Most normies don't know who he is and get scared off by any subtle economic change. It also doesn't make a difference either way as the system is self-sufficient at this point.

>> No.14238464

>>14238447
>that reveal
audibly chuckled

>> No.14238465

>>14238425
“The Wall” is a dumb meme. The border has been heavily militarized since Clinton fucked up the Mexican economy with NAFTA. In fact Obama and Trump figured out how to keep Mexicans from crossing the border: make the American economy so anemic that undocumented Mexicans can’t make ends meet.

>> No.14238467

>>14238280
he's a sniveling little jew that will make millions and than withdraw like he did four years ago, I can't believe idiots fall for the same trick over and over and over again

>> No.14238470

>>14238419
They do it like that in Australia.
There's no reason for shrinking the sector, the only ostensible difference would be that instead of shareholders profits that (reduced because of lower prices) money would be reinvested into the system. It can be the same exactly but non-profit.
Apparently the Ottomans had a single national insurance company for freight, and New Zealand has one for natural disasters, so it's not even a new or revolutionary thing really the point is that essential services such as health care should be run as services and not as businesses for profiteering off the misfortune of others.

>> No.14238471

>>14238465
It also doesn't matter as illegals will get in and nobody will give a shit when hiring them to clean their yards or houses.

>> No.14238486

>>14238280
I thought he stood a good chance of winning this time but once he had the heart attack I felt that sunk his chances. Voting for someone who is one foot in the grave is generally not a popular decision (I suppose with modern medicine and politicians having access to the best healthcare available alongside the fact Sander's heart attack didn't seem that bad - at least as not bad as a heart attack goes although I can't say for sure unless I was the one looking examining him personally - it may be more apt to say one toe in the grave, but If I was a family member/ friend of Bernie I would tell him to drop out of this campaign as that stress can't be good for him). I also think many of his policies are too uneconomical to be implemented (at least not without major revisions), but unlike most of his opponents, I think his heart is in the right place and that he seems like an alright fellow.

>>14238314
>this

>>14238448
As much as I'd love a big beautiful wall it would merely be symbolic, the demographics of this country are fucked beyond recovery.

>> No.14238487

>>14238470
I agree completely. I'm just worried about the effect of dismantling an extremely lucrative, albeit rapacious industry. Not worried for the people making millions off if it, just worried our retarded country is actually capable of pulling it off.

>> No.14238488

>>14238447
Fuck me now I want to vote for MAGA wtf is that some hypnotic psyops Manchurian candidate shit or what, nigga.

>> No.14238490

>>14238434
We will have to wait and see.
But remember: in 2016, people said a racist TV game show host couldn’t beat Hillary Clinton to be president.
Now they are saying that an 80 year old, socialist Jew from Brooklyn can’t win the Democratic nomination.
Anything is possible these days, which is both a good and bad thing.

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>>14238280
Did someone say chicken?

>> No.14238504

>>14238432
The only NEET approved candidate!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjfUfXqVuVc

>> No.14238515

>>14238471
You’re not listening. You don’t need to build A Wall to keep Mexicans out if the United States has become the shithole country. The US economy is so weak, Mexicans have better economic opportunities in Mexico than the US. The only people still crossing into the US without authorization are Central Americans who are literally fleeing for their lives.
https://www.businessinsider.com/number-of-people-moving-from-us-to-mexico-2019-5

>> No.14238522

>>14238490
The only reason I thought she could beat him was because they cheated their primary.
And she did get the popular vote.

He's probably going to do a second term. My vote wouldn't even count. This isn't a democracy.

>> No.14238532

>>14238487
It depends on what the corporations will do, hopefully they'll just fuck off and be somewhere elses problem. Unfortunately, I'm pessimistic and I do not trust Americans to vote in their best interests, they be tricked into being against this because companies and businessmen and rich people know best how to run shit, I could be wrong though.
In 2016 I was sitting in a pub in Dublin with my American cousin, he's from Long Island but moved up state and goes hunting and keeps bits of dead bears in his freezer incase he gets hungry, I was telling him about Sanders and he agreed. I didn't ask him but I seriously doubt he voted for Hillary because she's just a cunt and I know he doesn't like Trump because most New Yorkers don't.
I'm mentally prepared for Trump to win again even though it's basically general knowledge now that the Russians helped him win by hacking. These are some crazy times.

>> No.14238533

>>14238515
I should also add that a big beautiful Wall can’t keep out Central Americans fleeing for their lives because they have the right to apply for asylum at the border.

>> No.14238538

>>14238522
Butters is into politics? Kek

>> No.14238546

>>14238522
I knew you were a fucking normie
Why don’t you switch over to /pol/? Please?!?!?!

>> No.14238548

>>14238515
Ok, don't play the moral card with me. I'm opposed to empires and if you want to blame Central America on US intervention then go fuck yourself. A country should not be a big campfire where we are all friends. We shouldn't enable those countries to act like that.

>> No.14238551

>>14238522
You’re so fucking clueless.

>> No.14238553

>>14238515
I see. So we let low IQ brown people flood into our country, irrevocably tanking our social capital, then when the country begins to look Brazil the central american hordes might stop coming?

>> No.14238556

>>14238532
>t's basically general knowledge now that the Russians helped him win by hacking
That’s highly dubious.
What was more decisive was Republican administrations purging people of color from the voting rolls.
https://therealnews.com/stories/gpalast1213reportpt1

>> No.14238559

>>14238538
I’m not even watching. I have no interest in Chomsky level anarchism. It isn’t working.

>>14238546
Being politically astute isn’t “normie”

>> No.14238561

>>14238532
>even though it's basically general knowledge now that the Russians helped him win by hacking
Russia did influence the election, to what extent is debatable, but please explain what you mean by "hacking"

>> No.14238564

>>14238548
Not him but he's right there doesn't need to be an actual wall, and it isn't Mexicans crossing, and mostly the people crossing are asylum seekers.
It's terrible bad this business of locking up their children too, wicked.

>> No.14238565

>>14238559
You're anti-Trump for some reason.

>> No.14238568

>>14238553
Yeah, the brown people were the ones who flooded the mortgage markets with liars loans and subprime loans, collateralized that toxic shit, then shot it into the veins of the global financial system. Brown people bad. White people good.

>> No.14238569

>>14238561
I just heard that word on 60 minutes :^)

>> No.14238571

>>14238564
>t's terrible bad this business of locking up their children too, wicked.
Don't feed me this moral crap. That is how you end up getting fucked over. I'm sure it's shitty for them no doubt, but read Edward Gibbon or Tacitus my friend. Life is unfair sometimes.

>> No.14238577

>>14238551
After the 2016 primary, i was so pissed I tuned it all out. If I had paid attention I would have seen Trump winning easily.

>>14238565
He’s shit. But remember when they kept saying we gotta vote for the lesser of two evils?
Which one was lesser?
Not voting.

>> No.14238579

>>14238568
This is based, but also irrelevant. Because something bad occurred doesn't mean we need to do bad in the future.
> Oh white people fucked up the economy
> Well we gotta let in El-Salvadorians now
I mean come on anon.

>> No.14238581

>>14238569
>he watches television

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>>14238280
https://www.bitchute.com/video/EYtMmilZ7lw/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/kYdQwagJmgU/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/g1Gv4JyI1hk/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/N7b_wzKdQKE/

Is Styx right?

>> No.14238589

>>14238548
>if you want to blame Central America on US intervention then go fuck yourself
Oh boy, I think this friendly exchange is over.

>> No.14238592

>>14238571
I prefer Machiavelli. It's not right to do that shit, it means something and if you are apathetic it's cliche but they might come after you next.
Then again, there was that matter of the smallpox blankets so it's not really even a surprise. Such a hypocritical and schizophrenic country.

>> No.14238593

The US should balkanize, let the freaks live on the coasts, let the mexicans live in the south, the blacks live in the southwest and leave me alone with my corn

>> No.14238594

>>14238577
>He’s shit. But remember when they kept saying we gotta vote for the lesser of two evils?
>Which one was lesser?
>Not voting.
I didn't vote, but I'll vote for him in 2020 because I don't think the president has any actual power and he's the most anti-system president even though he's fundamentally the system. I'm sure you could point to some shitty economic policies of his (I don't pay attention) or his corporate tax, but it's all irrelevant and I think he's the best bet to ending the system as opposed to some Kamala Harris or Warren retard. I also think Sanders is full of shit and caters to the masses too much (which you have to do), but still doesn't sit well with me.

>> No.14238600

>>14238568
>when someone with a 105 IQ tries to argue

>> No.14238601

>>14238280
I voted for him in 2016 and I'll be voting for him again. We have our differences (ah, the narcissism of small differences!) but he's proven he's a man of integrity, someone who will follow through on his promises, and that's more than can be said for just about every other candidate. Also I had to drop out of college because I couldn't afford it and I'd love to be able to go back. And I don't have health insurance. So Bernie's my guy.

>> No.14238602

>>14238589
You're probably right to some extent (don't know that history too well), but having a 'moral' response to it will only fuck ourselves over even more. Furthermore, there's something venerable about the Inca/Native Mexican culture that shouldn't be pushed aside in the name of 'globalism.'

>> No.14238605

>>14238594
He has done literally nothing anti-system or otherwise. You could've elected a literal cactus and put sunglasses on it and it would do the same job.

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>>14238448
>It's not useless
Oh you sweet summer child

>> No.14238609

>>14238579
What the hell do you mean by “tank our social capital”? Do you have any idea how the elites have systematically privatized the education system, and wrecked whatever was still public? That’s wrecking our social capital and Salvadorans had absolutely nothing to do with that.

>> No.14238615

>>14238559
>politically astute

You are a normie bitch fuck off with your indentity politicking class conscious spartacus complex nigger loving sperg spewing Jew voting bullshit

>> No.14238618

>>14238605
You're right he's become a typical conservative, but I doubt Sanders wins the primary, so I'd vote Trump over some liberal globalist capital pig. Sanders Vs. Trump, IDK. probably Sanders, but not sure entirely.

>> No.14238619

>>14238594
He’s not not anti-system. He’s like any president. He’s just a figurehead. The real shit coming out of the State department and Pentagon are unelected administrators of the country. It’s all political theatre. You wanna play accelerationism, be my guest. We’re all still pawns till we organize some action

>> No.14238626

>>14238609
>Do you have any idea how the elites have systematically privatized the education system
Education is far too bureaucratized. What are you referring to specifically. Free college? That still doesn't make a college degree have any value other than getting a job, so sure free college.
> That’s wrecking our social capital and Salvadorans had absolutely nothing to do with that.
I know, but letting in millions of Salvadorians doesn't help anything.

>> No.14238627

>>14238619
>organize some action
yes, orgies will solve all our problems

>> No.14238631

>>14238619
>theatre
The jig is up. The real Butterfly is American, and with this British spelling of theater you've confirmed my longstanding suspicion that you're an imposter.

>> No.14238634

>>14238619
Yeah, I didn't express myself fully. That's what I've been saying. I just despise bureaucracy.

>> No.14238635

>>14238631
No shit numb nuts. She’s also a child and the one posting interracial porn for the last few months because she’s a fucking lame ass

>> No.14238644

>>14238631
British? So who spells it “theater”?
From the beginning I have specified only “left coast”

>> No.14238649

>>14238644
Why are you so desperate for attention from strangers? Why do you revel in creating conflict with people you are engaged with? Do you even like reading?

>> No.14238658

>>14238644
>who spells it “theater”?
retards is gonna retard

>> No.14238660

>>14238644
Americans spell it 'theater'. You spelled it 'theatre'. Also the real Butterfly said she was American, not just left coast.

>> No.14238668

>>14238649
I've never seen her discuss a book aside from Kroptokin. She seems relatively articulate, like a college-educated woman in her 30s would sound that doesn't read too often or think too deeply about things. She's also a socialist, but probably in the SJW type of way; a giant universal campfire. She's anti-Israel, but probably because of Palestine. She seems like a genuine socialist that is hostile of the left, which is fine by me in this day and age.

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>>14238634
I see.

>>14238635
I am not, and never have.

>> No.14238673

>>14238553
They already are to some extent as opportunities for low skill labor have not kept up with their arrival. Rather we see a huge influx of Chinese and Indians here to fill up the higher skill job demands like comp sci (Chinese surpassed Hispanic legal immigration per year some time ago). Bad for middle-class wages, but at least they don't commit crime (at least not violent crime). I tend to get along with the Chinese and have a great respect for the way they're running their country, maybe they can outZOG the ZOGs and we can be a lovely vassal state of China.

>>14238548
You can certainly blame some of the deprecation on the glow in the darks who messed with a LatAm country whenever it tried to become socialist. Not to say they would ever rise to first-world status but it would've likely turned out less bad if the U.S. didn't meddle. Also one wonders how much the U.S. is involved in the drug trade, I wouldn't put it past the insidious shysters who are a part of the deep state.

>>14238593
Only real avenue /pol/ and anyone on the right who isn't a "race-blind" moron has of saving some notion of a real U.S., but they're too busy being placated by Trump's sweet little lies.

>> No.14238674

>>14238649
Leave Butterfly alone!

>> No.14238675

>>14238668
She's a TERF and she's in her 40s.

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>>14238668
>>14238671
>>14238675
>She

>> No.14238679

>>14238673
>You can certainly blame some of the deprecation on the glow in the darks who messed with a LatAm country whenever it tried to become socialist. Not to say they would ever rise to first-world status but it would've likely turned out less bad if the U.S. didn't meddle. Also one wonders how much the U.S. is involved in the drug trade, I wouldn't put it past the insidious shysters who are a part of the deep state.

I don't have any objection to this other than moral reparations would only bite us in the ass. The world is unjust and being foolish only fucks you over.

>> No.14238681

Voting for him. He is the only one who isn't full of shit and has been fighting for us for over 40 years.

>> No.14238684

>>14238668
She sounds like a fucking twat that needs to be horsewhipped

>> No.14238685

>>14238406
Not that guy, but;
>In a statement, DHS Spokeswoman Katie Waldman said, "The steel bollard construction is based on the operational requirements of the United States Border Patrol and is a design that has been honed over more than a decade of use. It is an important part of Border Patrol's impedance and denial capability."

>"While the design currently being constructed was informed by what we learned in the prototypes, it does not replicate those designs," said Waldman. "The steel bollard design is internally reinforced with materials that require time and multiple industrial tools to breach, thereby providing U.S. Border Patrol agents additional response time to affect a successful law enforcement resolution. In the event that one of the steel bollards becomes damaged, it is quick and cost-effective to repair.

>"The professionals on the border know that a wall system is intended not only to prevent entry, it is intended to defer and to increase the amount of time and effort it takes for one to enter so that we can respond with limited border patrol agents. Even a wall that is being breached is a valuable tool in that it allows us to respond to the attempted illegal entry."

>In response to KPBS, CBP spokesman Ralph DeSio said the prototypes "were not and cannot be designed to be indestructible," but were designed to "impede or deny efforts to scale, breach, or dig under such a barrier, giving agents time to respond."

>In his address to the nation Tuesday, Trump said the steel fence design is "what our professionals at the border want and need. This is just common sense."

From the NBC article that the picture came from, not that any of you dumbfuck amercians would actually read it, it's the picture of the old design that matters for propaganda purposes.

>> No.14238688

>>14238679
>moral reparations
governments don't have the word "moral" in their dictionary

>> No.14238690

>>14238660
Oh, I get what you said now.
I can spell in a variety of accents and falvours.

>> No.14238693

>>14238681
He certainly is full of shit by switching almost all of his social viewpoints and repeatedly calling Trump a racist. Economically, I'd agree with him, although these reactionary socialists accomplish nothing, so he'd end up just being a typical left-wing candidate as congress wouldn't let him do shit and CNN/MSNBC would be up his ass disparaging him.

>> No.14238699

>>14238688
Then why does Israel exist.

>> No.14238702

>>14238660
There's a fake butterfly. You really shouldn't be digging for personalities on an anonymous image board though

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>>14238668
>I’ve only ever been in one thread where we discussed Kropotkin

>>14238675
>*rape whistle*

>>14238702
I am the same person

>> No.14238715

>>14238699
the chosen people deserved their rightful homeland, morality applies to them of course
just not brown people

>> No.14238722

>>14238693
Because of his impressive track record he's always held to a much higher standard than anyone else. He may have switched some of his social viewpoints but compared to every other candidate, no exceptions, he's by far the most consistent and reliable. If a man as honest as Bernie can be called full of shit, what does that make someone like Trump, whose recorded lies or false claims now number well over 10,000?

>> No.14238723

>>14238626
Everything is wrong with our education system, from how it is funded primarily through local property taxes, to how it is administered with too few educators and too many administrators, to how the Common Core/No Child Left Behind curriculum is designed to teach children how to engage with impersonal bureaucracies, not to think critically, and so on and so on. Not a single Guatemalan made this happen.
And I know, we earn nothing tangible by helping out people fleeing with only the clothes on their back. But as a society we must decide who is worthy of help and who is not. Did you know that since early September, the Federal Reserve has pumped tens of billions of dollars into the financial system? Why don’t people bitch that public money is going to help the very people who wrecked the economy in 2008, yet fellow victims of our savage system seeking asylum are somehow unworthy of our care?
https://www.thestreet.com/investing/fixed-income/ny-fed-offers-first-year-end-repo-adds-93-5-bln-in-cash-banks-seek-liquidity-15180559

>> No.14238724

>>14238690
DAM I WONDER WHAT ELSE SHE CAN DO WHAT THAT MOUTH

>> No.14238725

>>14238297
This

>> No.14238727

>>14238712
>I’ve only ever been in one thread where we discussed Kropotkin
Clearly your reading comprehension is shaky (might want to take your butt plug out). He is the only writer I've ever heard you claiming to have read aside from the photo with a book against your ass lol.

>> No.14238733

>>14238702
There’s her, and then there’s all the shit she doesn’t want to take accountability for. I’m guessing that’s the “fake” butterfly. At this point I’d rather have no butterfly

>> No.14238735

>>14238712
No, there is another. I know because I tricked you.

>> No.14238738

>>14238727
>He is the only writer I've ever heard you claiming to have read aside from the photo with a book against your ass lol.

whose got the pic I wanna see?!?!?

>> No.14238752

>>14238723
>the Federal Reserve has pumped tens of billions of dollars into the financial system
I should clarify that this is tens of billions of dollars DAILY. At one point, it was hovering around $135 billion. The irony is that we have the resources to help people fleeing violence, but we might not have enough to help the people running the financial system.

>> No.14238761

>>14238675
Bruh! imagine arguing with a bunch of twenty-year-olds on a Bangladeshi kite testing forum.

>>14238679
Although true it's not really something you're gonna have control of when the time comes. Also, stop saying us, we're not all in this together like some sort of "Nation" with unified goals. This is land with a bunch of ethnic enclaves fighting for each other's resources and nothing more, the end state of democracy.

>> No.14238765

>>14238722
>If a man as honest as Bernie can be called full of shit, what does that make someone like Trump, whose recorded lies or false claims now number well over 10,000?
Trump is full of shit, but that's literally his campaign. There's no expectations with him other than a disruption and pissing off the liberal elites. Unfortunately, the conservative elites like him, and he became a typical republican president.

>>14238723
> Everything is wrong with our education system, from how it is funded primarily through local property taxes, to how it is administered with too few educators and too many administrators, to how the Common Core/No Child Left Behind curriculum is designed to teach children how to engage with impersonal bureaucracies, not to think critically, and so on and so on. Not a single Guatemalan made this happen.

I agree, but I think you're misunderstanding my point about Guatemalans. I wasn't the original replier to that, so maybe it's something somebody else said that ticked you off. I just don't think waves of immigration is a good thing, and I'm skeptical that an entire country needs asylum. Why would we not intervene if that was the case?

> And I know, we earn nothing tangible by helping out people fleeing with only the clothes on their back. But as a society we must decide who is worthy of help and who is not. Did you know that since early September, the Federal Reserve has pumped tens of billions of dollars into the financial system? Why don’t people bitch that public money is going to help the very people who wrecked the economy in 2008, yet fellow victims of our savage system seeking asylum are somehow unworthy of our care?

Alright this is based, I agree. I'm a communist by the way and view the superficiality of our society reprehensible, but unfortunately everyone buys into it, so policy changes won't be satisfactory as too many people need likes on instagram, a rich house, tons of money, and shopping malls. It's partly from the glorification of woman and a lack of masculinity. Not a grandiose masculinity, but a simple No would suffice. Woman are put on a pedestal and men are weak and cowardly.

>> No.14238767

>>14238761
>his is land with a bunch of ethnic enclaves fighting for each other's resources and nothing more, the end state of democracy.
fair enough

>> No.14238777

>>14238727
Read over it too quickly. Woops.

>>14238690
Flavours. Fuck.

Yeah, getting late, brain must be frying on this stupidity

>>14238735
>tricked
As if
There’s only ever fakes when I drop the stupid trip.

>> No.14238779

Imagine being so afraid of brown people that you wouldn't notice that all of your taxes are funding super yachts and big mansions for already super rich cunts that would step over your dead body lying on the street.

>> No.14238793

>>14238779
Imagine being so afraid of super yachts and big mansions that you wouldn't notice that your taxes are funding wars for israel.

>> No.14238797

>>14238793
hahahaha based.

>> No.14238816

>>14238793
Very based. If only commies and fascists could work together to take down the rich. The country could be split in half and the two sides could operate their own countries unfettered by one another. Instead, we're just gonna get neoliberalism with socialist window dressing to fool the masses. What a gay world we have been born into.

>> No.14238820

>>14238816
>If only commies and fascists could work together to take down the rich.
This

>> No.14238822

>>14238765
>Why would we not intervene if that was the case?
Anon, we’ve been meddling in Latin America since the Monroe Doctrine. Most Americans have an inkling that the US puts its ladle in Central America’s soup pot, but when you get into the details, the history is repulsive and horrifying. Go to DemocracyNow.org and search for Allan Nairn interviews of his reporting on Central American affairs. If you do, you’ll understand why the US taking in Central American refugees is the least we can do.

>> No.14238823

>>14238793
This

>> No.14238826
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14238826

The Holocaust was a war of self defence

>> No.14238829

>>14238765
Intervention is what got Guatemala to the dismal state it's in right now. Throwing more bombs and marines at the country isn't going to make things any better, either in terms of serving national military interests or in terms of making Guatemala less of a hell hole.

>> No.14238831

>>14238822
Why should we care about them?

>> No.14238836

>>14238829
>>14238822
Ok, so why don't we invade it and set up a territory there like Puerto Rico.

>> No.14238842

>>14238297
I'd like to think that, but the only fruits of socdems has been economic bandaids and right wing insurrection.
Also kill kys yourself tripfag.

>> No.14238844

>>14238532
There's plenty of support for Trump on Long Island. Northeast suburbs are generally either super wealthy educated elite or white working class/small business owner/mini-mussolini blue lives matter types

>> No.14238853

>>14238826
>buh Hitler was a socylist!

>>14238842
I’m just saying that’s our only hope of change. We ain’t getting it at their ballot boxes

>> No.14238855

>>14238831
Like I said, as a society we have the obligation to decide who is worthy of our care and who is not.
As things stand, our society helps arms corporations. We are literally at Iraq War levels of military funding despite not being at war. We are also helping Wall Street by literally dumping up to $135 billion into the system daily because the financial system is beginning to lock up. Are these people so important that we cannot grant fellow victims of our savage system asylum and refugee status?

>> No.14238872

>>14238836
That’s not it works.
When we invade, we inevitably set up a corrupt dictatorship that loots the country for the benefit of multinational corporations.
The real way to help is by respecting their sovereignty and not meddling in their affairs. But of course, this never happens because when we respect the wishes of the people’s of Latin America, they inevitably set up socialistic governments that help out their own people, not the wealthy elites.

>> No.14238873

>>14238855
Why is the military funded so much? and why is that much given to Wall Street? Is it because the people want that or something else? On the surface I wouldn't do any of that, but I don't know what goes on behind closed doors or what the reasoning is. As for the asylum seekers that's a case-by-case issue. I know you think you're very deep and moral, but you're purposely misleading your statements. Also, note in mind that I'm sympathetic to your viewpoint and would like to agree with you, but do not believe the world acts so easily.

>> No.14238877

>>14238853
>I’m just saying that’s our only hope of change. We ain’t getting it at their ballot boxes
Oh I know. I was just saying succdems be succdems.

>> No.14238881

>>14238872
>The real way to help is by respecting their sovereignty and not meddling in their affairs. But of course, this never happens because when we respect the wishes of the people’s of Latin America, they inevitably set up socialistic governments that help out their own people,

Yeah, Fidel sure helped the Cuban working class. I don't view history as ideals or heroes btw, I think everyone acts in their own self-interest. You're assuming these poor countries are virtuous and innocent when they're just as corrupt as the US without the power. I think you're genuine, but a bit naive.

>> No.14238885

>>14238844
Yeah, but that's not most New Yorkers, not even most Long Islanders tbf. Doesn't matter and not worth an argument, you're right as far as I know. I've other cousins there that are racist af and probably voted Trump out of pure seethe because Obama wasn't white, and other cousins which vote democrat and are sympathetic for gay marriage and other faggotry. I was only sort of bringing him up because he's the type that should vote GOP but he doesn't trust them anymore and he'd vote socialist once he understands it but he won't probably support the destruction of traditional family values. He's not that unusual a dude really, kind of stuck in the middle not wanting to go against social conservatism but actually caring about all people and their general welfare.

>> No.14238887

Have any of you done anything to further your political beliefs or do you just bitch and moan all day on forums

>> No.14238892

>>14238855
>decide who is worthy of our care
Nigger, everyone in the society is the only answer here. If you deny the actual rights to welfare and essential services you are denying access to society.

>> No.14238896

>>14238881
Fidel had to fight a war to win his country, that isn't the same as being left alone and deciding for yourself.

>> No.14238900

>>14238855
The asylum system is fucked desu. It's impossible to determine the veracity of anyone's claims. So how does anyone get asylum? It's entirely dependent on the applicant's attorney. The asylum-seeker tells the lawyer their story, true or not, and I do suspect there's an entire for-profit industry (especially in Africa) set up to game Western immigration systems with stories that conveniently line up with the refugee convention. Anyway, the lawyer drafts the story in a declaration which will inevitably omit the unhelpful parts and emphasize the opposite. The applicant's story, much to the frustration of the attorney, always changes dramatically a couple of times before the actual hearing before an immigration judge. These revisions are usually the result of the attorney asking the client a question about an inconsistency in the story. But none of this matters. Because everyone involved knows that it's impossible to tell what's true and what's not, including the Government, and everyone also knows at least some of the applicant's will indeed be murdered if they're deported to their origin country. So the game ends up having nothing to do with the truth of the matter. It's all how well a lawyer drafts a declaration. Then the fight with the government is usually over an overlooked inconsistency in the declaration or legal formalities that have little to do with whether the applicant is actually in danger. The pro se applicants are fucked over completely. Of course, whether you have a lawyer or not has no bearing on whether you're actually a refugee in reality.

I know this is all very negative - my gripe is with the system, not the applicants themselves. If someone is coming from El Salvador or Honduras or the Congo and manages to establish a footing in the US they will probably make better Americans than most natives and I think they should stay, regardless of how much danger they're in.

>> No.14238902

>>14238896
Allende had like 30 percent of the vote and Pinochet made the quality of living much better in Chile (but he killed people, yeah degenerates).

>> No.14238914

>>14238881
The Cuban system is far from perfect, but there is a reason that tiny Cuba, which is 90 miles away from Miami, the CIA’s winter home, has been able to maintain its sovereignty: the people support the government. Cuba is under a crippling US embargo, but despite that their health outcomes are on par with the United States.
Look, these Latin American societies have been buggered by the Europeans and Americans since 1492. There will inevitably be economic distortions and corruption and setbacks as they try to dig themselves out of centuries of oppression. But wherever socialistic systems take root, life improves relatively quickly and with relatively modest social welfare programs.

>> No.14238915

>>14238900
>If someone is coming from El Salvador or Honduras or the Congo and manages to establish a footing in the US they will probably make better Americans than most natives and I think they should stay, regardless of how much danger they're in.

It's not America's job to cater to the rest of the world.

>> No.14238918

>>14238902
Do you (or does anyone else) know anything about Bolivia? From what I've read, seems like a power-hungry socialist was actually running the country pretty well and the white fascists still ousted him like what always happens in South America

>> No.14238922

>>14238902
The quality of life may have been better if the profits from the copper mining had been distributed via the treasury into public works, I think his agrarian reforms went too far as I believe in ownership rights but I digress.
Pinochet was an evil bastard, the death squads were real, people did disappeared and it is hypothetical to argue that things were better under Pinochet because Allende didn't get his chance.

>> No.14238925

>>14238915
As long as our military and intelligence agency and corporations continue to go around fucking everything up in other parts in the world, we are morally obliged to at the very least take in some of the people we are indirectly fucking over

>> No.14238927

>>14238914
>Look, these Latin American societies have been buggered by the Europeans and Americans since 1492.
They've probably benefited it. Your whole testament is emotionally-driven and fit into a neat narrative. This is tiresome and underwhelming. American bad because powerful. I hate neo-cons and the fox news people like that, but life is finite and we should concern ourselves with the future of humanity and ensure these things don't exist in the future. Sympathy can also be a virtue, but should not be abused.

>> No.14238931

>>14238855
As a minority, who humorously enough passes as white in America (even though I don't look it to European standards), I don't think you should accept immigrants anymore. There are a number of reasons:

1. Once the minorities learn about CIA or Mossad shenanigans, they become resentful, especially when retarded conservative Israeli-worshiping hicks are mean.

2. We don't care about your "national pride" or "communal values". We just care about "profit". My parents came here for their own interests, not for you. I believe this is problematic because people, of a nation, should feel a stronger sense of comradeship. If America burned tomorrow, I wouldn't care beyond my own survival, though hopefully I could go back to my ancestral country even though my language skills in it aren't the best. I don't give two shits about my neighbor.

3. You accepting more immigrants makes the market more competitive for me. Listen, I am busting my ass in academia. So are people of your own race and nationality. Stop making things harder with H1bs and outsourcing. You go on and on about wanting to give immigrants this and this advantages, but what about college students or people trying into the workforce? Do you realize just how college expenses, the premium of insurance, property tax, and etc. continues to go up?

4. Most of us hate niggers. My area was relatively good until niggers started moving from the city into it. It is leading to issues and may cause decrease in property value. This has also led to rise of crimes. I don't like dealing with them and genuinely want to smack them over the head, beating them to bloody pulps whenever they play loud music, act obnoxious (which is what they always do), and so forth. They have never had a real civilization, and they are literally a different subspecies who should be ethnically cleansed. My country, in historical times, beat niggers and put them into place, treating them as non-humans (because that is what they are). You should do this too. In fact, making killing niggers a rite of passage into adulthood for every boy.

America is a jingoistic mutt nigger-worshiping nation. I don't care enough to risk my neck for it, but I have enough decency unlike Jews to say stop exacerbating the situation via accepting more immigration and enabling nigger behavior. Everything is about money to me in this shithole, not seeking friendship or a "sense of belonging". Jews and niggers have ruined too much.

Even the literary industry is in complete shambles thanks to kikes pushing inclusive diversity and trans bullshit.

>> No.14238936

>>14238925
Nope, there's no moral responsibility in the world. These are all ideals.

>>14238918
I don't know anything about Bolivia, maybe I'll spend time browsing Brittanica tomorrow.

>>14238922
Yes, we were not all blessed to be born in America. Instead, we'll just be wagecucks and live 80 years of a meaningless life, instead being killed by a volatile bastard 30 years earlier.

>> No.14238938

>>14238931
>making killing niggers a rite of passage into adulthood for every boy.
make killing niggers a rite of passage into adulthood for every boy*
Wanted to fix that typo.

>> No.14238939

>>14238918
All I know of Bolivia is that things were ok, the nationalisation of the resources worked fine. What will happen now is some rich dickheads will take over all the stuff again and rape away.

>> No.14238942

>>14238915
No, so make a law that you'll take no more migrants and no refugees. Build the wall the whole way round haha

>> No.14238943

>>14238938
Thanks, rendered the rest of the post incoherent nonsense at first

>> No.14238945

>>14238938
It's fine, anon. The effort is much appreciated, though.

>> No.14238946

>>14238936
>Nope, there's no moral responsibility in the world. These are all ideals.
Well then it's still our legal responsibility to do so as a signatory to the refugee convention

>> No.14238957

>>14238931
>Once the minorities learn about CIA or Mossad shenanigans, they become resentful, especially when retarded conservative Israeli-worshiping hicks are mean.
Minorities are too stupid to understand that.

> We don't care about your "national pride" or "communal values". We just care about "profit". My parents came here for their own interests, not for you. I believe this is problematic because people, of a nation, should feel a stronger sense of comradeship. If America burned tomorrow, I wouldn't care beyond my own survival, though hopefully I could go back to my ancestral country even though my language skills in it aren't the best. I don't give two shits about my neighbor.

Yup, America is a factory.

> You accepting more immigrants makes the market more competitive for me. Listen, I am busting my ass in academia. So are people of your own race and nationality. Stop making things harder with H1bs and outsourcing. You go on and on about wanting to give immigrants this and this advantages, but what about college students or people trying into the workforce? Do you realize just how college expenses, the premium of insurance, property tax, and etc. continues to go up?

Yup and why do 330 million people need to live in a country. There's no meaningful relationships, It's ask a competition and everything is pre-ordained (drunk of weekends, see family on thanksgiving, taboo social norms, not genuinely caring about anyone yet complaining how everyone is awful, frivolous political dichotomies)

> Most of us hate niggers. My area was relatively good until niggers started moving from the city into it. It is leading to issues and may cause decrease in property value. This has also led to rise of crimes. I don't like dealing with them and genuinely want to smack them over the head, beating them to bloody pulps whenever they play loud music, act obnoxious (which is what they always do), and so forth. They have never had a real civilization, and they are literally a different subspecies who should be ethnically cleansed. My country, in historical times, beat niggers and put them into place, treating them as non-humans (because that is what they are). You should do this too. In fact, making killing niggers a rite of passage into adulthood for every boy.

A bit extreme, but they act like animals and ruin public transportation, public spaces, and urban areas.

> Even the literary industry is in complete shambles thanks to kikes pushing inclusive diversity and trans bullshit.
Worst fucking part.

>> No.14238969

>>14238918
>power-hungry socialist
No, that’s a meme,
On the one hand, he did hold a referendum to overturn constitutional term limits for the president, and when that failed he had a sympathetic court declare presidential term limits unconstitutional. And yes, this did sap his legitimacy. On the other hand, all independent, on the ground election observers declared Bolivia’s recent round of elections fair and free. Morales arguably bent the rules, but Bolivians still elected him back into office.

>> No.14238980

>>14238957
>Minorities are too stupid to understand that.
Not really. I mean, there are a lot of minorities in higher-academia. If you mean, on average, then you may have a point though. The average American, irrespective of race, is kind of stupid. An outcome of the consumerist/commercialist lifestyle that was socially engineered by CIA and others. Many advertisements exist for more purposes than just trying to sell a product.
>they act like animals
You are disrespecting animals by comparing them to niggers. I have studied animal cognition of many various species a lot, and I believe many of them are more intelligent and self-aware than niggers.
>America is a factory.
It's a problem. I don't care if the factory explodes after my lifetime. I won't have any children.

>> No.14238985

>>14238946
Why, because you said so?

>> No.14238996

>>14238980
>It's a problem. I don't care if the factory explodes after my lifetime. I won't have any children.
Same especially if scientists are a few decades away from undoing death. I want to die, it’s all I look forward to.

>> No.14239002

>>14238985
No, I did not make the laws or sign the treaties

>> No.14239008

>>14238980
This is just getting better and better with each post

>> No.14239018

>>14238957
>ruin public transportation, public spaces, and urban areas
We have these in Dublin except they're Irish junkies. If you stand still in town for a minute one will appear and ask you for money, if you look down the wrong alley you might see one taking a shit on the street, they'll pickpocket you at any opportunity, they will smoke crack or ice in the open even on the train station platform. They're only not usually violent.

>> No.14239033

>>14238996
>I want to die, it’s all I look forward to.
If you could pick being three other organisms, which would you go with?

I wish I were a happy crow or raven, dolphin, or squirrel/chipmunk. A blue jay does not seem bad either!

>> No.14239036

>>14238925
Yeah, I think it’s actually a pretty powerful moral stance to say you side with the victims of American power.

>> No.14239044

>>14239033
My old cat had a pretty comfy existence. Have you seen that film The Lobster? idk if it was a book it's interesting

>> No.14239060

>>14239036
That’s how empires fall. I’m opposed to empires, but you’re just hurting yourself by bringing in people that will always be hostile towards you into your country.

>> No.14239066

>>14239044
>cat
Yes, I love kitties!
>The Lobster
Sounds like absolute horseshit.

I've seen a lot of arthouse films too. I went through a phase of watching a ton of Bresson, Tarkovsky, Bergman, and much much more. The Lobster sounds like absolute shit in comparison. Sorry.

>> No.14239068

>>14239036
It's not that powerful when the same people start talking about "democracy" in the same breath. When did anyone vote for any of the wars that the US started? When did you vote for bank bailouts? When did you vote for mass surveillance? When did anyone vote for mass immigration? How is the non-elite voting population (the 98%) collectively responsible for the decision making and actions of the elites and the government? Why is that a certain subset of the left (academics and activists) blame regular powerless people for this state of affairs?

>> No.14239072

>>14238685
>reading and posting all that cope

>> No.14239075

>>14239060
I know it's cliche but what you're saying is what people were saying about Jews and Catholics and Slavs 100 years ago and the country only got stronger

>> No.14239084

>>14239075
>Jews
> stronger

>> No.14239086

>>14239066
>The Lobster sounds like absolute shit in comparison.
It is. Fuck that movie

>> No.14239090

>>14239068
>It's not that powerful when the same people start talking about "democracy" in the same breath.
But I didn't mention this
>When did you vote for bank bailouts? When did you vote for mass surveillance? When did anyone vote for mass immigration? How is the non-elite voting population (the 98%) collectively responsible for the decision making and actions of the elites and the government? Why is that a certain subset of the left (academics and activists) blame regular powerless people for this state of affairs?
We keep voting them into power. There have been candidates opposed to most of these things, including the guy who was originally the topic of this thread, DNC machinations notwithstanding. Trump himself won because he at least purported to be on your side on most of these issues. And he is making those changes. Relatively isolationist foreign policy (relative to previous American leaders), revamped immigration to the point that there have arguably been human rights violations.

>> No.14239091

>>14239033
A fly so I could get squashed, a jellyfish so I feel no pain, and a tree

>> No.14239101

>>14238931
Have sex Miguel

>> No.14239109

>>14239075
>jews
>stronger

feeling REAL strong with all these wars, hollywood, wall street, and pornography.

>> No.14239111

>>14239068
I am definitely not saying that we should care for refugees because we are mopping up after the mess the elites make. It’s more that we are standing by people who have been smashed by the same constellation of forces that are tearing apart American society.

>> No.14239112

>>14239101
ok coomer

>> No.14239137

>>14238280
Retard

>> No.14239159

Based Bernie rescuing damsels in distress.
Superheroes are real.
https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-saved-a-woman-from-getting-hit-by-a-car-2018-10

>> No.14239165

>>14239111
Not the guy above but that's really not how the norms of the left works. From where I'm standing, you are part of those same forces tearing apart Western society as much as the government and capitalists are. You say we should normatively have solidarity with the people getting smashed by our same shit elites, but what you do instead is invite as many of them here as possible (after they've been bombed the fuck out of, so they're already pissed off) while screaming "racist" to anyone who disagrees, and then at the same same time filling their heads with as much ideological animosity as possible about how the native white population hates them. Can you fathom how that might not be a politically stable program for the future?

>> No.14239171

>>14238892
Not that guy, but there's nothing wrong with denying access to society to those who do not belong to it, or those who do not abide by its rules.

>> No.14239176

lol politics

>> No.14239182

>>14239072
>having your head full of lies and spewing it without a second though
Even they admit it was an early prototype that is not in use at the border, but why do you think it was posted? Only so idiots like you could spread the picture. All it takes for someone to mention the wall and it pops into your head just like they want. You're the source of the NPC meme.

>> No.14239185

>>14239159
Based

>> No.14239277

>>14238387
Embarrassing lack of understanding for one of the simplest outlooks on life.