>creates alienating social conditions >depresses everyone all the time >people work so much they can't even see each other >public holidays basically means peoply travel or spend the day at home >HEY GUYS THIS IS JUST A MEDICAL ISSUE AND WE HAVE JUST THE CURE Was Ellul right?

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Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:06:21 2019 No.14368848 [DELETED]

>creates alienating social conditions
>depresses everyone all the time
>people work so much they can't even see each other
>public holidays basically means peoply travel or spend the day at home
>HEY GUYS THIS IS JUST A MEDICAL ISSUE AND WE HAVE JUST THE CURE

Was Ellul right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:08:11 2019 No.14368856 It's your own fault if literally nobody likes you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:09:15 2019 No.14368862 >>14368848 Our lord and saviour mark fisher (pbuh) says the same thing

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:10:03 2019 No.14368865 >>14368856 Bitch people like me and I'm still lonley.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:12:42 2019 No.14368876 >>14368862 Where should I begin with him? I tried capital realism but he was just whining about stupid movies for several pages.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:14:10 2019 No.14368886 >>14368848 >WE HAVE JUST THE CURE So what's the problem, then? Just take the damn pill.

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:14:25 2019 No.14368888

>Given all the ways modern life is designed to make us feel untethered, how do we determine who needs a medical intervention versus who is simply in a social rut?

>Just as thirst is a signal that you are dehydrated, loneliness is an indication that you are already suffering from a lack of connection, Stephanie Cacioppo tells me. It’s true that many of us manage to pull ourselves out of a lonely funk, but she argues that we could still benefit from a pharmacological intervention to prevent descent into social isolation.

>The vast majority of people experience loneliness in their lives. I ask her: does this mean all of us could benefit from such a treatment?

>“Absolutely,” she says.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:15:14 2019 No.14368894 I never felt lonely when I was addicted to ketamine

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:16:15 2019 No.14368899 >>14368848 >>creates alienating social conditions who creates them?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:18:36 2019 No.14368911 File: 253 KB, 960x640, DAE05DC8-73EA-46BA-A676-C1938020304E.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14368888 A dystopic/satiric sci-fi writer could hardly write something better than this if they tried.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:19:41 2019 No.14368918 >>14368848 Unironically state mandated gfs/arranged marriages would easily solve the issue within a 5 year period

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:20:17 2019 No.14368921
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Ellul and Ted were right. They put a lot of feelings I could not express into words. I'm not sure if finding out about them actually did me any good, because now I feel less motivation to accept the world as it is.

>Imagine a society that subjects people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy, then gives them drugs to take away their unhappiness. Science fiction? It is already happening to some extent in our own society. It is well known that the rate of clinical depression has been greatly increasing in recent decades. We believe that this is due to disruption of the power process, as explained in paragraphs 59-76. But even if we are wrong, the in-creasing rate of depression is certainly the result of SOME conditions that exist in today’s society. Instead of removing the conditions that make people depressed, modern society gives them antidepressant drugs. In effect, antidepressants are a means of modifying an individual’s internal state in such a way as to enable him to tolerate social conditions that he would otherwise find intolerable.

Ellul:
>None of our wise men ever pose the question of the end of all their marvels. The “wherefore“ is resolutely passed by. The response which would occur to our contemporaries is: for the sake of happiness. Unfortunately, there is no longer any question of that. One of our best known specialists in diseases of the nervous system writes: “we will be able to modify man’s emotions, desires and thoughts, as we have already done in a rudimentary way with tranquilizers.“ it will be possible, says our specialist to produce a conviction or an impression of happiness without any real basis for it. Our man of the golden age, therefore, will be capable of “happiness“ amid the worst privations. Why, then, promise us extraordinary comforts, hygiene, knowledge, and nourishment if, by simply manipulating our nervous system, we can be happy without them? The last meager motive we could possibly ascribe to the technical adventure thus vanishes into thin air through the very existence of technique itself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:23:04 2019 No.14368933 File: 169 KB, 404x416, giphy.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14368888 I guess we should all take this fuckin pill, then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:23:24 2019 No.14368938 Why is everyone suddenly talking about Ellul? What is happening?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:24:08 2019 No.14368942 >>14368899 the modern industrial system

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:26:17 2019 No.14368962

>>14368899
It's not one person or a group of people. There are people who act as the high priests of industrial production, such as CEOS, venture capitalists, high management, ultra efficient engineers, etc. But they also don't know any better. They're Capital's main servants, that's all. This is what /pol/tards get wrong when they start talking about "jews", "immigrants", "liberals", etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:31:33 2019 No.14368984 >>14368938 Some guy started posting threads with quotes from him. Also, he's a more intellectual and less murdery alternative to uncle Ted

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:32:49 2019 No.14368992 >>14368848 One in six americans already take antidepressants

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:32:50 2019 No.14368993 >>14368886 This, OP is a whiny little bitch to the bitter end.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:36:21 2019 No.14369013 >>14368938 Christcuck invasion. Ellul was a christcuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:37:15 2019 No.14369019 >>14368962 >It's not one person or a group of people. >lists four groups of people

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:40:52 2019 No.14369033 >>14369019 Holy shit nigger can you not fucking read?!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:42:25 2019 No.14369036 >>14368888 >implying social isolation is a negative state

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:42:45 2019 No.14369039 >>14368938 The 2016 election brought thousands of unwanted bible-thumping backwoods morons onto the internet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:42:55 2019 No.14369040 >>14368888 >Cacioppo recently co-founded SOMATECH to commercialize the treatment. “We hope to be able to bring this innovative therapy to millions—perhaps billions,” she says. “We’re passionate about improving lives...”

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:45:01 2019 No.14369052 >>14368886 This, except instead you should be forced to eat dozens and dozens of these pills until you have a cerebral hemorrhage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:45:36 2019 No.14369056 >>14368984 >>14369013 >>14369039 cringe

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:49:59 2019 No.14369075

>>14368848
I dont tgink loneliness is curable, since it’s Immaterial. There are neurostates correlative to loneliness, but are these not also analogous to other such emotional states? A pill intended to cure ir treat loneliness could only possibly be an inhibitor. Would this not lead to disassociative psychological effects? I really doubt there could be a neurological picture for loneliness and Im confident we dont have one now.

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:50:59 2019 No.14369081
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>>14368848
>NOOOOooooOoOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>HAPPINESS HAS TO BE MORE THAN JUST CHEMICALS
>MUH SOUL MUH GOD MUH FREEWILL
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST PROVE NEUROPHYSIOLOGY IS WHAT CAUSES MY MIND
>YOU CANT JUST KEEP MAKING SCIENTIFIC ADVANCEMENTS ;TECHNOLOGY BAD EVOLA AND JESUS SAID SO
>A PILL THAT MAKES ME HAPPY?? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO I WANT TO BE SPECIAL AND SUFFERR

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:51:52 2019 No.14369086 >>14369081 Basedjak posters should be shot IRL. No other form of posting is as deleterious to the board's quality.

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:51:56 2019 No.14369088
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>>14368848
>take these daily regimented and addictive drugs to cure your loneliness
>drugs like psilocybin, which is known to relieve anxiety and depression for months after a single dose are illegal

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:53:50 2019 No.14369097 >>14369088 Go to bed McKenna

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:54:02 2019 No.14369098

>>14368856
That’s not the cause of loneliness and isolation. A few years ago I was extremely unhappy, I felt very isolated but it would be fair to say that the people around me liked me and supported me.
For a while now I’ve been happier and I know I am much less pleasant to be around, I still have friends but I upset more people; not caring about what other people think to some extent (this is also the literal definition of based) is a good place for happiness to stem from.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:56:55 2019 No.14369109 >>14369019 >It's not one person or a group of people. >lists four groups of people What I meant is that they're not the masterminds but mere taskmasters for Capital.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:59:15 2019 No.14369115 >>14369040 Somatech? Is this a joke?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 19:00:56 2019 No.14369119 >>14368886 Are you stupid?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 19:06:36 2019 No.14369138 File: 248 KB, 662x890, 1561795763835.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14368848 I want an AI tulpa NOW

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 19:06:56 2019 No.14369139 >>14368888 CHECKED

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 19:11:31 2019 No.14369153 File: 204 KB, 600x599, 1576578588503.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14368888 Nice quads, but check these quints

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 19:37:39 2019 No.14369272 >>14369153 No quints in sight, senpai

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 19:50:21 2019 No.14369325 >>14369036 loneliness seems negative, but yeah, isolation ≠ loneliness

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 19:56:30 2019 No.14369352 >Genetic losers take pill that makes them whine less on the internet >When they realize they need a pill for them to not be pathetic lonely fags and stop taking their theyll probably kill themselves yeah im thinking this is based

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 19:58:20 2019 No.14369362 >>14368962 Brainlet

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 20:03:38 2019 No.14369387 >>14369352 Considering "loneliness" is an epidemic in the modern world, everyone will have to try it at some point. I bet poor people even more so. Human contact will become a luxury in the future

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 21:25:58 2019 No.14369720 >>14368962 Fucking this. People are too stupid and self centered, the world is shit and nobodies in control

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 21:29:18 2019 No.14369729 >scientists see a social problem then adequately solve it >NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST PUT BANDAIDS OVER THE MODE OF PRODUCTION THAT'S NOT RADICAL ENOUGH!!!

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 21:31:19 2019 No.14369736

>>14368962
you have to be kind of retarded to not see how much influence Jews have in capital and finance. You also are presenting the Noam Chomsky version of power relations that leaves out the role of academia, the press, and the civil service

As for nobody really being in charge I can buy it, but calling it Capital is reductive. One aspect of the form of economy is not the whole of the world's power structure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 21:45:52 2019 No.14369792 >>14369729 >adequately solve it

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 21:57:42 2019 No.14369839 >>14369387 Can you imagine when schools, medical facilities, groceries stores, public transportation, governmental services, and many other steps of life become fully automated?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:00:05 2019 No.14369847 >>14369729 How is sticking a pill into someone's mouth a solution to the problem of people becoming more and more lonely? I mean, even treating it as a disease is so fucking heinous that any non-brainlet idiot should veer away from such idiocy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:02:58 2019 No.14369859 >>14369792 >>14369847 >My emotions are so much MORE than just a chemical soup! Stop dehumanizing me! I'm NOT a cog! :(

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:04:25 2019 No.14369867 >>14369736 Sure, Academia, the media and civil service are all part of it. But remember, taskmasters are not Masters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:05:34 2019 No.14369871 File: 428 KB, 680x797, chad gun.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14369859 >honestly believes that all problems can be fixed with a pill This is your brain on scientism, nihilism, evolutionary psychology, materialism and atheism

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:05:50 2019 No.14369872
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>>14369847
>How is sticking a pill into someone's mouth a solution to the problem of people becoming more and more lonely?
because "loneliness" is a chemical process that we can regulate?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:05:58 2019 No.14369874 >>14369859 >oh yes mr scientist please update my biofirmware and oh do you take PepsiCoin™ boy I sure hope because last time i check the conversion rates between PC™ and CocaJewels™ were terrible

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:06:24 2019 No.14369878 >>14369872 fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:07:12 2019 No.14369882 File: 41 KB, 300x400, taleb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14369872 Ever heard of iatrogenics, kid?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:07:25 2019 No.14369885 >>14369859 you people are so out of touch with reality I can't even fathom it

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:11:34 2019 No.14369901 >a concrete alleviation of real suffering appears >/lit/ erupts in a flailing paroxysm of ass agony

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:12:15 2019 No.14369904
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>>14369878
Says the anti-science luddite.
Explain how alleviating someone's loneliness "doesn't count" because it happens to be via a pill. What is your criteria for distinguishing valid and invalid treatments for sensations of loneliness?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:16:21 2019 No.14369921 >>14369904 >anime >midwit every time

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:16:53 2019 No.14369923
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>>14369901
>>14369904
This pill is at best, a placebo, at worst it will make things worse in the long run. This is exactly like putting a band-aid on a leaking pipe that is about to burst. Instead of attacking the root of the problem, you think making a pill that will numb the population into passivity and make Big Pharma rich is the solution.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:18:47 2019 No.14369932 heroin could "cure" loneliness, why don't we legalize it?

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:20:01 2019 No.14369934

>>14369867
No but they are still qualitatively different pieces of the puzzle. Who exists in those positions does actually have an impact at local levels. From a sufficiently broad perspective of course it all fades out of view and you just see something like the acceleration of techno-capital. A lot of people don't seem to care about that so much as things like 'what will living conditions for my demographic in my country be like in the next 20 years', which actually is impacted by the taskmasters to some degree.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:21:05 2019 No.14369938 >>14369923 are you just hopping mad capital is patching over possible sources of malcontent that might lead to glorious uprising? because it's been doing that and will continue to do so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:25:19 2019 No.14369949 >>14369938 au contraire, discontent is growing and will continue to grow

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 23:19:49 2019 No.14370116 >>14369874 PepsiCoin is a pretty funny thing all things considered.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 23:26:18 2019 No.14370142 >>14370116 >it's real fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 23:31:46 2019 No.14370160 >>14368856 People like me but I self-isolate and then feel lonely.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 23:40:29 2019 No.14370185 >>14369098 >not caring about what other people think to some extent (this is also the literal definition of based) hello, task force?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 00:11:38 2019 No.14370279 >>14369039 T. toastie coastie

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 00:15:06 2019 No.14370292 >>14368962 This. It is Capitals fault I have no friends.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 01:16:19 2019 No.14370483 >>14368856 It's about more than people liking or disliking you. Community for one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 01:23:20 2019 No.14370506 >>14369138 Cool idea anon. I have no friends. I'm going to make a tulpa to be my male friend, 'brother', that I've always wanted.

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