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Are his writings actually worth reading or just 200 year old BDSM smut with some ignorable philosophical stuff thrown in?

>> No.14415133

>>14415127
>200 year old BDSM smut with some ignorable philosophical stuff thrown in
this

>> No.14415137

The latter

>> No.14415139

>>14415127
They're worth reading.
>>14415137
Fuck off, tranny.

>> No.14415146

>>14415127
Merry Christmas!

>> No.14415179
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14415179

>murder porn
>fecal porn
>”They’re worth reading.”
Go ahead and read, but you’ll get bored with it soon enough. Unless you’re like this tranny fetishist >>14415139 I guess

>> No.14415263

>>14415179
>gets called a tranny
>is a tranny
>ermuhgerd you’re a fetishist
Maybe if you had something interesting to say, instead of your constant shitposting, anons would forget that you’re a tranny.

>> No.14415286

>>14415137
Kill yourself
>>14415127
De Sade is important because he's an eloquent psychopath. The horror he inspires is that of seeing a great mind totally consumed by its desires, incapable of resisting, only aspiring to justify itself

>> No.14415299

>>14415127
both

>> No.14415324

>>14415127
From the de Sade's Wiki article:
>"It is intellectually bizarre to make Sade a hero."

This always makes me lol. Just imagine having your common sense warped so significantly that you somehow end up thinking that a guy who did this type of frighteningly degenerate shit is anything more than a frightening degenerate.

>> No.14415377

>>14415127
if you can read it in French, you should do so to get acquainted with some of the purest grammatical models of the French language.

For it's pornography content, you'll end up a converted Quaker.

kind of funny how he got thrown into a dungeon for displaying the abysmal depths of degeneracy the French aristocrats threw themselves in.

>> No.14415387

>>14415263
>de Sade fanboy
>Raging autist
>Obsessed with "chicks-with-dicks"
Go spank yourself and get in your hugbox

>>14415286
You first

>> No.14415401

unlike most people here, i've taken the time to actually read a bit of sade. his philosophy may be interesting for a laugh, but as far as the shock value goes, you'd be better served with the morbidity that comes out of japan right now

>> No.14415420

>>14415387
Nice strawmanning there, tranny. Maybe if you had something interesting to say, instead of your constant shitposting, anons would forget that you’re a tranny.

>> No.14415463
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14415463

>>14415179
>NO! I AM AN ANARCHIST BADASS WHO LOVES STIRNER BUT I CAN'T HANDLE A LITTLE BLOOD OR GUTS!!!! ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT CONFORM TO MY PETIT-BOUG SENSIBILITIES IS EVVVIIIILLL!!!

>> No.14415479

>>14415420
"Tranny" is a cope strawman. I just left a dis

>Maybe if you had something interesting to say
Another lame cope. I have no knowledge of the furry porn you so desire.

>>14415463
>Another de Sade fanboy melts down
>>>/soc/

>> No.14415523

>>14415127
As if one has anything to do with the other
>>14415137
You'll never grasp humanity or politics if you can't see past the surface narrative

>> No.14415529

>>14415479
You know what? At the end of the day, I really don’t care that you’re a tranny. What I object to is that I have never seen you add even a micron of interest, knowledge, or humor to any thread you visit. You flit from here to there, dropping pellets of shit in your wake. And your problems would be so easy to solve: stop the attention whoring, or try to be at least occasionally useful, or just fucking go away. But you’ll do none of these as it’s obvious that you’re a delusional tranny that thrives on the negative attention your worthless posts bring.

>> No.14415533

>mfw thread degenerates into soiboys vs butterfly
>i have no face

>> No.14415538

His philosophy is just a kind of "I can do what I want because moral is only a social construct made up by the priests".

His books are just the apotheosis of violence, I don't see nothing interesting in it.

>> No.14415549

>>14415529
>Repeats the same cope
You are the worst poster on this board. It's achingly obvious you don't read.

>> No.14415566

>>14415401
Be more specific, I'm curious

>> No.14415792

>>14415127
I only would read him if you're interested in intellectual history. The academy was obsessed with Dr Safe in the 70s/80s so a lot of French philosophy from that period plays off him. To read for himself? Meh. Main point is self liberation and the line because the body and intellectualism is a stupid dichotomy.

>> No.14416118

>>14415538
>moral is only a social construct made up by the priests
Priests raped Justine.

>> No.14416124

Currently reading Justine. I actually like it. It can feel a bit lengthy at times, but It's quite enjoyable,

>> No.14416139
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14416139

De Sade and Stirner are the only two true anarchists.

>> No.14416358

>>14415127
>No education in the western tradition is complete without Sade... Satirizing Rousseau, point by point, he prefigures the theories of aggression in Darwin, Nietzsche, and Freud.

>> No.14416538

>>14415127
Both

>> No.14416738

>>14416358
What this guy said.

>> No.14416989

>>14415137
I'm surprised you think that, being the anarchist immoralist that you pretend to be on here. Or is it only okay when lesbians do it?

>> No.14417620

>>14415133
Fpbp

>> No.14417994

Are there more philosophers like De Sade, don't say Bataille he isn't as extreme as him

>> No.14418131

>>14415127
I feel like Sade is under-rated as an individual. People meme the 120 Days a lot but the man himself lived a pretty remarkable life -- embarking on multiple prison breaks; locking himself in a chateau for an entire winter with several peasant girls and a squire; having a peasant girl's irate father shoot at him point blank but the gun misfiring; being tried in absentia for "poisoning prostitutes" (later overturned as a miscarriage of justice); being sentenced to death and having an effigy burned in lieu of himself proper; traveling around Europe as a fugitive with his wife's sister; being a judge in the French Revolution and then being deposed and sentenced to death himself because his son was falsely listed as an emigre (and also because his colleagues found his habit of trying to spare people from the death penalty suspicious and too "moderate") and only being saved from the guillotine at the last minute when a group of moderates managed to overthrow Robespierre; being suppressed by three different regimes (monarchy, republic, empire) etc.

>> No.14419483

bump

>> No.14419514

>>14415401
this, just watch Shoujo Tsubaki or something.
I don't know if I'm a weird fuck but I find Ero-Guro oddly fascinating.

>> No.14419518
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14419518

Justine is worth reading. It's repetitive both in its depiction of sex, overall plot, and philosophizing in between, but it has a certain charm to it. His philosophy really boils down to some kind of Nietzschean/Redbeardian Will not to power, but to pleasure. There's a remarkable passage in Justine where a father explains at length how he is justified in selling his only daughter into sex slavery, saying she is a product of his creation and therefore he can do with her as he sees fit. You should read De Sade simply because he's such a unique individual in the canon. Completely unapologetic and if it weren't for the confirmed historicity of his actual life, lots of people today would think he was being ironic.

>> No.14419545

>>14417994
Only who comes to mind are Ragnar Redbears and Max Stirner

>> No.14419560

>>14415529
based anon, was thinking of filtering her, though I'm also an anarchist, and this thread and post helped me make up my mind

>> No.14419563

>>14417994
Well, his foremost interpreter is Klossowski. Blanchot's essay on Sade is also a must read.

>> No.14419631

>>14415127
>Are his writings actually worth reading
no

>> No.14421029

>>14419545
Redbeard is just social Darwinism etc., I was thinking more about the dark imagery of taboo sexual acts, violence, blasphemy and the like.
>>14419563
Blanchot seems really abstract and verbose in the French postmodernist style. I think Sade makes his central philosophy pretty clear, it's a form of hardcore hedonism that relishes on breaking moral norms. But I was thinking if there were any other philosophers who had a similar style, seems like he was one of a kind.

>> No.14421140

Its terrible writing but I guess important for it's philosophy

>> No.14421179

>>14418131
sounds interesting, maybe you know any good biography book on him?

>> No.14422590

aside from the boring scatophilia, roleplay, masochism, child rapes etc. it also has a weak and braindead philosophy that i'm surprised an educated aristocrat managed to come up with

>> No.14422666

>>14422590
Cope.

>> No.14422699

>>14422666
browsing r34 will give you the same intellectual result

>> No.14422728

>>14417994
Thrasymachus from the Plato dialogues

>> No.14422735

Hi, just making an announcement in this thread - my new trip is !!SP+O+Sdhu+h.

This old one has the password #Youhaven and is no longer useful to me.

>> No.14422886

>>14415127
Where to start and end with Sade?

>> No.14422923
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>>14415127
Let's see what The Cone had to say about old Sade

>> No.14422981

>>14421179
Marquis de Sade by Donald Thomas

>> No.14423062

>>14422923
cringe

>> No.14423585

>>14415127
sade was just a midwit trust fund kid trying to be edgy

>> No.14423593

>>14422735
No one gives a shit.

>> No.14423604

>>14423585
sounds like a typical il/lit/erate

>> No.14423765
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14423765

I admire his tenacity, and have a portrait of him on my bedroom wall. An interesting narrative near the conclusion of Justine which interested me was how, even in the sudden morality at its conclusion, the acts of evil were still built under a form of reason --- each libertine is subject to moral condemnation and being "guilty" by such a force, but still exist as justified. I also find some of the political aspects in Philosophy in the Bedroom (such as, quite literally, an argument for killing the poor, as well as the entire "Yet Another Effort, Frenchman..." pamphlet) to accompany de Sade's work as a whole: the state of Nature as a domain for power-exchanges, employing everything from birth and murderous demise under their form.

>> No.14423835

>>14422735
Genuinely asking here. Why do you use the tripcode? Everytime you say anything on this board you are met with abuse and no one actually engages with the content of what you are saying. So why do it? Why dont you just post anonymously like the rest of us?

>> No.14424370

>>14423765
pure cringe

>> No.14424450

>>14424370
Is it? I'm merely describing his work. What problem do you have with my description?

>> No.14424461

>>14423765
Nice post
I've only read dialogue of a condemned man with a priest. What should I check next?

>> No.14424472

I sorta want to write like a "New Salo", without all the preteen stuff and rape? And make it a comedy. Like, there's a maid who wants to be a toilet, but all the people who do that were immunized before they got to the castle, so she spends the entire 120 days waiting for the doctor to get his shit together and get the vaccines shipped in, and by the time she's had all her shots, the days are up and she goes home a virgin. Or one of the girls is actually a boy, but he goes as two people to get paid double, and ends up having to arrange a match between one of the richfags and himself.

>> No.14424473

>>14415179
He literally used tranny as an insult, so how can he be a tranny fetishist? God I'd love if you died right now.

>> No.14424476

>>14415137
Based & hypocritepilled

>> No.14424482

>>14424476
How the fuck is that hypocritepilled? Getting yourself girled is the opposite of Sadean indulgence. It's discarding part of yourself, possibly making yourself incapable of orgasm, in an immensely difficult and painful ongoing process in order to become a more appealing product. It's the very antithesis of Sadean thought.

>> No.14424496

>>14424476
>hypocrite
Explain.

>>14424482
The fuck is your problem?

>> No.14424521

>>14424496
>The fuck is your problem?
My third eye got decalcified. Why do you think so many deep tranners go in for the church bit? Same deal.

>> No.14424637

>>14424521
>decalcified
Lay off the smack anon

>> No.14424676

>>14424521
>>14424482
Plese tripfag yourself so I can avoid you.

>> No.14424958

>>14423062
I feel like Piney was never not-cringe

>> No.14425494

>>14424482
But is that not to cultivate Sadean apathy?

>> No.14426462

>>14424461
The work "Crimes of Love", I found, introduces his style of storytelling, while also having characteristic themes of sodomy, incest, et cetera. However, if you're interested primarily in the exposition grounding de Sade's ideas, "Philosophy in the Bedroom" is also another route (if you enjoyed the Dialogue, that is). After that, Justine and Juliette (preferably, in order, as I find Juliette to harbor less subtlety) are good points to continue on. Even though I enjoy 120 Days of Sodom, I would likely recommend it last, due to its relatively unfinished state

>> No.14426728

>>14426462
Thanks, gonna check philosophy in the bedroom probably