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>Dude, if God made everything then who made God?
Is this really the best atheists can do?

>> No.14569896

Retroactively refuted by Aquinas in his proof that God existed beyond space-time, and was pure being (actus purus).

>> No.14569900

You could put an end to this by just answering that question.

>> No.14569907

>>14569900
It's just not a very good question. Prime Mover isn't a good argument for Christianity, but it's a terrible argument against it.

>> No.14569915

>>14569896
Which is mentioned nowhere in the Bible because they didn’t anticipate space.

>> No.14569921

>>14569915
In the sequel the Bible 2.
>Jesus Christ is back, and He's not Cruci-F**kin' around in a sequel two thousand years in the making! The Bible 2 picks up nearly a thousand years after the death of Christ. Having gone into exile after His resurrection, Jesus returns to cast the first stone when a conspiracy of Biblical proportions is revealed.

>> No.14569922

>>14569907
>but it's a terrible argument against it.

It's really not since it's the first logical question to ask.

Now, if you said the special-pleading reply is a terrible response to that question, then you'd be correct.

>> No.14570010

>>14569876
Can you know a god regardless?

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>>14569876
christianity might be the single most deleterious delusion ever constructed. every christian should be considered an enemy of life. they don't deserve a formal refutation of their criminal system. if they are too retarded to understand the internal incoherence implicit in its teachings and if they refuse to inform themselves on modern advances in epistemology, physics, and cosmology that obliterate their trite coping mechanism, they deserve to wallow in their stupidity.
but they must also be actively silenced and opposed whenever encountered. no christian deserves the humanitarian rights that they strove for centuries to deny to others.

>> No.14570020

>>14569915
Retroactively proven wrong in Exodus, by God himself.
>I Am that I Am
God is. It's so simple, yet so profound.

>> No.14570032

>>14570020
Lol, imagine going full copacetic like this.

>> No.14570045

>>14570032
Lol, imagine going full pseud and non-argument like this.

>> No.14570056

>>14570045
I heard he doesn’t like Green Eggs and Ham too.

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14570062

bible.jpg posters would believe anything if it appealed to their bias, proof is irrelevant.

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>>14570062
The real answer to his question is that people are so obdurate in their career of sin, that they are unilaterally opposed to the idea of religious life and view it as a a barrier between them and their sin. In the words of Christ, 'And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil'. The error of that questioner lies, his prideful presumption that 1) they deserve to be saved, and 2), that it is up to him that does the saving. Salvation is purely a gift of God and if they refuse it, one should not do anything more than shake the dust of their feet and leave them to their own destruction.

As to the undergraduate pseuds response, pathetic. It rests entirely on pop-psychology and conjecture. A midwit that cannot even conceive of metaphysics.

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>>14569915
>THE BIBLE DIDNT TELL ME HOW TO WASH MY ASS PROPERLY, ERGO, I, AS A MAN, DEEM IT TO BE UTTERLY VILE AND INCORRECT

>> No.14570255

>>14569876
The theists answer is completely in satisfactory too.

>>14570218
No. It told you what you can and cannot eat, and It told you to cut your baby’s penor.
It is utterly vile and incorrect.

>> No.14570263

>>14570255
>in satisfactory
I of course wrote unsatisfactory, but the shit spellcheck changed it.

>> No.14570296

>>14570020
Popeye: I yam what I yam
God: I Am what I Am
Popeye is God
It's so simple.
Now show the class how you know the Bible is God's word without using the Bible.

>> No.14570407

>>14569915
JOHN 1:1 MOTHERFLIPPER!

>> No.14570412

>>14570121
Based

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>>14570218
>I AM STILL POSTING SOIJAKS IN 2020. MAYBE I SHOULD KILL MYSELF!

>> No.14570444

>>14570255
Read st Augustine, tranny
>>14570435
Not an argument

>> No.14570457

>>14570444
NOT
AN
ARGUMENT

>> No.14570467
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>>14570444
Who said I was trying to mount an argument? I just want to insult and degrade you.

>> No.14570478

>>14570457
It is an argument. Just like having slaves back then was completely different from slaves today. Get a grip
>>14570467
Aka faggot pseud

>> No.14570493

>>14570478
No no. Telling me to read some sperg that never proved god’s existence, isn’t an argument. I already said you have unsatisfactory answers.

>> No.14570504

>>14570478
What is pseudointellectual about being an insulting asshole? Its cavechad behaviour.

>> No.14570508

>>14570493
You ridiculed dietary restrictions and circumcision. Learn to reading comp, tranny, please before you off yourself

>> No.14571236

>>14569915
>they didn’t anticipate space
What do you mean? Space exists a priori any human cognition, any functioning human is aware of space.

>> No.14571538

>>14571236
This. What is he trying to say? Space is literally an invention of our brains. In the same way that interpretation of shapes, colour, and faces are.

>> No.14571564

>>14569896
One cannot be beyond what is not in itself. God as an idea of pure reason, a transcendental idealism, cannot be known let alone believed, for in one's claim of sich a God's existence one is proposing a claim devoid of content.

>> No.14571577

gaytheists can even comprehend the problem of something from nothing.

>> No.14571625

>>14569922
Not that guy. Russell is wrong because he assumes that scholastic philosophers thought that everything must have a cause, and this would include God too.
None of those philosophers made this mistake though, what they said instead is that everything that has a beginning in time must have a cause, which is a much more specific scenario, one that doesn't fall under the fallacies identified (incorrectly) by Russell.

tldr: Bertrand cannot read

>> No.14571658

>>14569922

There is no reason to assume that anything implicitly is not. This is all the more ironic given the Anglos' Phenomenological fetish, whereby everything implicitly is.

>> No.14571660

>>14570218
You joke, but I knew a guy who didn't bathe because "Jesus didn't."

>> No.14571665

>>14571660
>don't wash your hands before eating bro, everything that goes into your body is destroyed
>subsequent christcucks die of dysentery

>> No.14571671

>>14570435
Brainlet wojaks are even more dated

>> No.14571723

>>14571538
I think he thinks space is literally the big black thing that comes around our way every night and covers the sky with little dots of light. He’s quite the retard, I know.

>> No.14571757

>>14569876
I don't know, let me try: you're a nigger. Did that settle it?