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>>14606113
WHERE IS HE, CHRISTIAN, WHERE IS YOUR GOD?! IT HAS NOT HELPED ME IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

THERE IS NOTHING, NOTHING THERE.

IF ONLY IT WOULD ANNOUNCE ITSELF TO THE WORLD, AS A HOST WOULD ANNOUNCE HIMSELF FOR CREATING THE PARTY, BUT THERE IS NO HOST TO BE FOUND IS THERE, CHRISTIAN?

WHERE IS IT?

>> No.14606211

He's there, but his only action is that of silent mockery.

>> No.14606240

maybe there is something out there but i don't think it will help you or me, god help only those who help themselves

>> No.14606319

>>14606176
God is not a material being. It is within you and everyone and everything else. God is the totality of beings and things in themselves. God is not supposed to help you. Though you are part of him, he is unaware of you and everyone and everything else. He is blind.

Creation implies that at one point there was nothing and then everything, but Time is a construct of your mind to make sense of the world. Time doesn't apply to things outside of your capacity of experiencing them, so God could not have created it, because time doesn't apply to it. As far as you are concerned, the world and God were always existent, and each are expressions of the other in different forms.

If you weren't a retard who could only conceive the literal and material things, you could have easily seen God. Stop blaming your deficiencies on others. Maybe there are things that you aren't supposed to see.

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>>14606319
Unequivocally based and redpilled

>> No.14606538

>>14606176
>IT HAS NOT HELPED ME IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

https://youtu.be/8Ym1gxTKB1s?t=63

>> No.14606587

>>14606319
Largely truth-pilled, definitely based.

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>>14606319
>God is blind
>implying God is not omniscient and lacking in any way (not perfect)

Repent.

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>>14606319
HOW DARE YOU TELL ME THIS RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HOW DARE YOU HOW DARE YOUUUUU RRREERREEERREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

KILL ALL CHRISTIANS, THE ROMANS DIDN'T FINISH THE JOB, KILL THEM ALL!

BRING ME THE HEAD OF THE MOST PIOUS CHRISTIAN SO THAT I MAY PISS IN THEIR MOUTH

I WILL NOT BE HUMILIATED LIKE THIS, YOU WILL PAYYYYYYY

>> No.14606907

>>14606176
Shut up faggot and repent

>> No.14606914

>>14606898
I'm not even Christian, retard. Only that I acknowledge the truths in it. Stop embarrassing yourself and adopt a passive humility, since your nature evidently doesn't allow for more.

>> No.14606931

>>14606898
Holy shit it's Bill fucking Hicks

>> No.14606941

>>14606914
Holy based, OP thoroughly got owned, how will OP ever recover from this bros?

>> No.14606943

>>14606319
What use does anyone have for this worthless construct? Wasting even one second thinking about such an entity as you have outlined is a huge waste of time. Imagine spending your one and only life worshiping this cringe POS. It would be funny if it weren't so sad

>> No.14606948

>>14606176
So a god has snatched from me my all
In the curse and rack of Destiny.
All his worlds are gone beyond recall!
Nothing but revenge is left to me!

On myself revenge I'll proudly wreak,
On that being, that enthroned Lord,
Make my strength a patchwork of what's weak,
Leave my better self without reward!

I shall build my throne high overhead,
Cold, tremendous shall its summit be.
For its bulwark-- superstitious dread,
For its Marshall--blackest agony.

Who looks on it with a healthy eye,
Shall turn back, struck deathly pale and dumb;
Clutched by blind and chill Mortality
May his happiness prepare its tomb.

And the Almighty's lightning shall rebound
From that massive iron giant.
If he bring my walls and towers down,
Eternity shall raise them up, defiant.

>> No.14606957

>>14606914
What truths did you acknowledge? Your post was heretical af. No Christian theologian would agree with your conception of God

>> No.14606966

>>14606319
Stop trying to bullshit your way through this. Apologize to the OP immediately.

>> No.14606971

>>14606914
>stop humiliating yourself and be a cuck like me instead
“No!”

>> No.14606982

>>14606914
>passive humility
>voluntary euthanasia

>> No.14607011

>>14606957
>No Christian theologian would agree with your conception of God
Oh but they do. If anyone is curious, my post was mostly inspired by Meister Eckhart:

>I am as sure as I live that nothing is so near to me as God. God is nearer to me than I am to myself; my existence depends on the nearness and the presence of God.

>In this breaking-through, I receive that God and I are one. Then I am what I was, and then I neither diminish nor increase, for I am then an immovable cause that moves all things.

>> No.14607036

>But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
>“The Pharisees came and began to argue with [Jesus], seeking from him a sign from heaven to test him. And he sighed deeply in his spirit and said, ‘Why does this generation seek a sign? Truly, I say to you, no sign will be given to this generation.’ And he left them, got into the boat again, and went to the other side.”

>> No.14607039

>>14606943
I won't be able to write an essay for you on this, but I would ask you only a few questions: if all of us are inherently one and the same, then how is it worthwhile to pursue things like power? Isn't interest of all the beings one and the same, then why would I pursue my own "self-interest" at the expense of others? Would there be any reason for me to have contempt for anyone, or inflict pain on them?

These questions are important especially in our times when everyone is so obsessed with themselves that they would sooner forget all morality than to help a fellow out.

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>>14606943
Its foolish to rule out all conceptions of God, sophisticated rational conceptions, just because poor and irrational conceptions also exist.

Just because you havent experienced God that is not proof God does not exist.

If you are to say there is no evidence there are an even number of stars, its irrational to conclude that it means there must be an odd number of stars; but thats what atheists do when they act as if they know God does not exist.

>> No.14607091

>>14606943
>he hasn't realized everything on Earth is fleeting and worthless and the only lasting joy is found in aligning your glorious mind with God's beauty
i pity the fool

>> No.14607108

>>14607091
Based. I'm glad to know other anons are having these thoughts as well.

>> No.14607115

>>14606176
>IT HAS NOT HELPED ME IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
Why do people always think of god as something that serves their intrest, like a glorified butler taking care of some rich brat?

>> No.14607124

>>14606319
So help me understand how this isn't just a redefinition of the universe as "God"?

>>14607036
So is the implication that everyone who doesn't claim to have intuited signs that a god exist is evil?

>>14607115
If we expect parents to care for their children and want the best for them and if we view them as lesser if they act against the best interests of their children then why should we expect any less from an omnipotent creator?

>> No.14607171

>>14607115
Oh for fuck's sake, just answer the OP's question or get the fuck out.

>> No.14607232

>>14607124
God isn't raising wage slaves, putting food on our plates. He is raising the most beautiful creation conceivable.

>> No.14607302

>>14607232
>God isn't raising wage slaves, putting food on our plates. He is raising the most beautiful creation conceivable.
Which is?

>> No.14607330

>>14607302
Something with free will that chooses to be good all on their own.

>> No.14607358

>>14607302
>>14607330
Yeah pretty much what this anon says. We are to be the personification of God's eternal truth when he said Man and the Earth is good. For he so loved the Earth...

>> No.14607363

>>14607358
Personification, scratch that, manifestation is probably more accurate. A truly good man is almost proof enough for God if you have the mind for it

>> No.14607375

>>14607330
I don't see how any modern conception of God couldn't do that while also consistently acting in every individual's best interests. Wouldn't it be completely trivial for such a being to ensure that everyone has perfect free will while at the same time ensuring everyone is also free from suffering?

>>14607358
>>14607363
>A truly good man is almost proof enough for God if you have the mind for it
How so?

>> No.14607401

>>14606176
>falling for the God pill

>>14606319
Religion is Schizophrenia and OCD, stop your making your self to bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WwAQqWUkpI&feature=emb_title

>> No.14607419

>>14607401
>Schizophrenia
>stop your making your self to bad
Lmao yes clearly I'm the schizophrenic one here.

>> No.14607451

>>14607419
its dyslexia, you will know how schizophrenia works if you watch the video

>> No.14607499

>>14607375
>How so?
This might not convince you if you're not a believer, but God already destroyed the Earth once with the flood. He promised to never do it again, not until the end of days at least. Now the weeds must grow with the wheat, we must face the problem of evil head on and fight our own battles. To be victorious, to love and honor God, is to be honored and loved by him.

>> No.14607509

>>14607499
>This might not convince you if you're not a believer, but God already destroyed the Earth once with the flood.
Where is the evidence of this?

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>>14607401
>falling for the atheist pill

The amassed research indicates that higher levels of religious belief and practice (known in social science as "religiosity") is associated with better mental health. In particular, the research suggests that higher levels of religiosity are associated with lower rates of depression, anxiety, substance use disorder, and suicidal behavior. Religiosity is also associated with better physical health and subjective well-being.

Likewise, research indicates that religiosity can enhance recovery from mental illness, aiding in the healing process. For example, one classic research study shows that recovery from severe mental illnesses such as schizophrenia is better in countries with higher levels of religiosity.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/201712/religion-and-mental-health-what-is-the-link

>> No.14607545

>>14607451
Then please forgive what I said, didn't mean to ridicule. I will make sure to watch the lecture later, but for now, I don't deny that there might be correlations between experiencing God/unconscious/Will etc, with schizophrenic symptoms. I believe Jung also has said somethings about that. But just because modern science labels something as a disease doesn't mean there is necessarily no truths involved in it.

>> No.14607605

>>14607509
"Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but what is worse, as many masters as he has vices.”, same ideas in Plato's Gorgias. There was a thread here recently with these nice little bits mentioned iirc. The Biblical patriarchs and the Sumerian king list are one and the same, also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flood_(China) and https://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/storms/great-flood1.htm.. That second link is a little popsci, but it's true that there are hundreds of myths. For me, flood or no flood the initial point still stands, the flood and the promise is what drives the entire thing home. But again, it's hard to corroborate such an event from so long ago so I understand.

>> No.14607724

>>14607605
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flood_(China)
>Archaeological evidence of a large outburst flood on the Yellow River has been dated to about 1920 BCE, and is suggested to have been the basis for the later myth. A colossal landslide created a natural dam across the river which was breached about a year later. The resulting flood could plausibly have travelled 2,000 km (1,200 mi) down the river and the resulting instability of river channels might have lasted up to twenty years.

2,000km =/= Worldwide

Meanwhile the second source is more or less pure speculation and there isn't really any evidence provided. Besides that the speculation there seems to be centered around the assumption that this worldwide flood would have occurred ~5,000 years ago, which would place this ~1000 years before the physical archeological evidence provided for the Chinese flood that you linked would state that this flood happened if you're ensuing that they are the same event.

>But again, it's hard to corroborate such an event from so long ago so I understand.
If there was really a total global flood there would be no shortage of evidence that all pointed to the same time general period, both physical evidence as well as myths and stories all from the same time. What we have is evidence that thousands upon thousands of completely normal unrelated floods occurred throughout history and that their stories were recorded and often embellished by hundreds of different societies throughout the ages.

Though we can agree to disagree on this since it isn't important. Why would God have to destroy everything in the first place?

>> No.14607829

>>14607124
>So help me understand how this isn't just a redefinition of the universe as "God"?
That's exactly what it is. /lit/wits do these redefinitions all the time so they can avoid being cringe reddit atheists.

>> No.14607839

>>14607724
tower of babel

>> No.14607843

>>14607401
>namefag
>atheist
Why are so many atheist so narcissitic?

>> No.14607872

>>14607839
>tower of babel
I would appreciate it if you could use complete statements when replying to me so that I don't have to guess at what you're saying as I would rather not make any undue assumptions here both for the sake of my time and yours. What does this have to do with anything? Please elaborate and I'll respond accordingly.

>> No.14607914

>>14607843
Why aren't more Christians? Isn't the Christian God essentially the ultimate tripfag?

>Forces himself into everything even when people would rather him just fuck off
>Demands to be respected and worshiped despite being a dickbag that only cares about himself and his own autistic ideals
>Gets upset and lashes out when people call him a retard
>Gets upset and lashes out when people ignore him
>Gets upset and lashes out when people pay attention to other people
>Gets upset and lashes out when people treat him like he wants to be treated
>Gets upset and lashes out sometimes for no apparent reason
>Regularly forgets his tripcode and then gets upset and lashes out when people don't recognize him
>Gets upset and lashes out when people mistake other people for him despite the fact that he regularly forgets tripcode and also gets upset when people don't recognize him
>Takes credit for things that don't make sense and claims extreme importance despite the fact that all evidence points to things would be fine or even be better without him

Wouldn't it make sense to act more like the being you worship instead of shitting on people for being closer to God than you are?

>> No.14608984

>>14607914
FUCK YOU