/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14635357]

"NeoChina arrives from the future."
Is Nick Land right about Chinese economics owning the future? What else does Fanged Noumena say about becoming Chinese neocameralism?

[Anonymous No.14635370]

>GLOBAL PANDEMIC
>stock market goes up
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.14635385]

I finally started reading this guy from all memeing about him over the years. You know, he displays an incredible associative imagination and a great ability to manipulate concepts but from a more critical philosophical eye a lot of what he's saying is either too dense informationally to disambiguate into determinate statements that can be assessed or is effectively just being loose with language.

I'm not one of these guys that has an analytic-stick-up-my-ass approach to philosophy, first and foremost because analytic types aren't always as clear as they'd like to think, but there is a good amount of sloppiness about Land that can't simply be dismissed as academic hegemony and bias.

[Anonymous No.14635392]

>>14635370
he's been tweeting about this for days; the whole thing is literally like something out of Meltdown. he must feel so vindicated

[Anonymous No.14635393]

>>14635385
as compared to who though? Land is not any worse than your average continental

[Anonymous No.14635396]

>>14635385
I mean, I thinks it’s supposed to be like that because it’s meant to be engaging in an almost fictional way, especially considering he literally employs fictional sources (D.C. Baker, Echidna Stilwell, etc.)
Tbh i just have a lot of fun reading urbanomic books, all philosophy aside

[Anonymous No.14635403]

>>14635392
Kek. Incredible cope.
Imagine your philosophy being so shit that you spend two decades spamming pessimistic hot takes on twitter.

[Anonymous No.14635404]

>>14635357
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.14635405]

>>14635393
Badiou? Maybe you want to say as Livingston does that he really bridges the gap but as much as people like to parody Badiou as 'MuH inComPleTenEsS tHeorEmS' he's quite clear and even formalistic in his approach, especially Being and Event and onwards.

Agamben to me is a fairly 'classic' continental in that he's fairly elliptical but he doesn't have this associative wordsalad Land goes after that's more common amongst the Comp Lit types. Not that it's necessarily a criticism, prose of this sort /can/ capture meaningful structures and phenomena but it's easy to shroud non-sense with it as well.

[Anonymous No.14635411]

>>14635396
That's helpful. I haven't read the fictional source stuff, which I think, without knowing much, is quite clever coming from an academic background. I'll check out the urbanomics stuff. thanks.

[Anonymous No.14635414]

>>14635405
The associative wordsalad stuff though is meant to be like that. Land also has quite normal philosophical texts that are easy to parse

[Anonymous No.14635429]

>>14635403
cope? he's smug af right now idk what you are on about

[Anonymous No.14635442]

>>14635370
You should see bitcoin
You do realize that crypto economically incentivizes the end of humanity, yes?

[Anonymous No.14635444]

>>14635429
Yeah, because he's a retard.
Nice meme...

[Anonymous No.14635456]

>>14635442
What is bitcoin doing? How does it economically incentivize the end of humanity?

[Anonymous No.14635459]

>>14635442
Blockchain disproves lands theory that capitalism is a dissolving force, it is quite literally the hardening of a previously liquid space.

[Anonymous No.14635460]

>>14635411
Np; I’d recommend Spinal Catarrophism: it really makes great use of the format

[Anonymous No.14635476]

>>14635393
lmao

[Anonymous No.14635477]

>>14635404
well basically, your baizuo

[Anonymous No.14635484]

>>14635370
be a real shame if the anal plugs get infected

[Anonymous No.14635487]

>>14635392
are you literally always on here?

[Anonymous No.14635491]

>>14635456
Computer get big, make money
Computer get quantum, state wins
Computer become state
Human security discovers zero

>>14635459
I thought the dissolution was written in the stars or sum shit

[Anonymous No.14635498]

>>14635444
checkin
>For the man in China, the future is more true than the present

[Anonymous No.14635504]

>>14635444
capital is thriving at the same time humanity assumes a rapidly approaching existential crisis (a biological hazard from China being distributed by globally my international capital as we speak); what about this situation isn't accelerationist in your eyes?

[Anonymous No.14635510]

>>14635491
imagine believing this

[Anonymous No.14635513]

>>14635459
deterritorialization and reterritorialization are two sides of the same coin and capitalism must contain both poles (Fisher understood this better than Land)

[Anonymous No.14635518]

>>14635487
anon it's literally just me and you on here, there are no other posters

[Anonymous No.14635521]

>>14635504
>capital is thriving
Where?
Except it isn't.

[Anonymous No.14635525]

>>14635403

[Anonymous No.14635530]

>>14635504
If capital were thriving we would be in the flying car utopia. Instead you fags have resorted to rehashing pessimism on a site funded by the glowstate.

[Anonymous No.14635532]

>>14635521
literal everywhere on the planet

[Anonymous No.14635539]

>>14635530
>If capital were thriving we would be in the flying car utopia
>capital leads to a utopia
you sound like a braindead socialist anon

[Anonymous No.14635540]

>>14635513
True but capital can only territorialize digital space, it has no revolutionary potential there.

[Anonymous No.14635551]

>>14635521
>when the capital so strong you doubt it through your pocket-sized affordable tech-commodities
Sheeeeit

[Anonymous No.14635556]

>>14635539
Is this not his theory? Capital is intelligence. So what's the problem?

[Anonymous No.14635562]

>>14635530
>have link to global information network through handheld device
>but muh flying cars

[Anonymous No.14635564]

I'd say when you're coked up to the gills 24/7 you kinda win by default.

[Anonymous No.14635567]

>>14635540
>capital can only territorialize digital space
what would you call a megacity anon? it seems definitional of capitalist territorialization

[Anonymous No.14635568]

>>14635504
>what about this situation isn't accelerationist in your eyes?
What about this situation has been 'sped up'?

[Anonymous No.14635575]

>>14635556
intelligence isn't characterized by a human utopia, it's k-pulp digesting the universe till burnout

[Anonymous No.14635587]

>>14635532
>if markets function as my philosophy dictates i win
>if markets don't function as my philosophy dictates i still win
Great philosophy you got there.

[Anonymous No.14635593]

>>14635562
>developed of the military by the military and for the military
You may have left something out.

[Anonymous No.14635597]

>>14635568
you mean other than the obvious literal interpretation of that question? read Meltdown, this is a huge step towards Nick Land's imagined future

[Anonymous No.14635603]

>>14635567
I would call a mega city meat space.
My point is that the capital that exists in meat space bleeds into the digital creating artificial scarcity in a realm that was previously defined by costless limitless replication.

[Anonymous No.14635607]

>>14635587
Nick Land's philosophy isn't about telling markets how to function, it's about markets telling us how to function

[Anonymous No.14635611]

>>14635575
What is k-pulp? And why can't intelligence process metaphors? The flying car thing is just a joke, a placeholder for you autists. Same problem exists, a global pandemic may put a bit of a hold on your attempts to consume the universe.
But way to rip off Asimov with pseud shit.

[Anonymous No.14635615]

>>14635607
So what's his issue with Marx then? This sounds exactly like Marx.

[Anonymous No.14635624]

>>14635510
I'm only pretending to believe in anything

[Anonymous No.14635636]

>>14635597
>pandemic
>0 results
You'll have to explain this for us slowfags. How does a global pandemic increase capital and complete intelligence?

[Anonymous No.14635640]

>>14635615
Humanisms

[Anonymous No.14635642]

>>14635615
Land thinks the markets are going to take over from humanity, creating some sort of AI that exterminates us all(Land frames this as a positive development). This is obviously somewhat different than Marx' prediction of capitalism leading to socialism/communism.

[Anonymous No.14635644]

>>14635611
idk how people get this far talking about Nick Land without reading Meltdown, it's like by far the biggest meme in his catalog
>The distinction between nature and culture cannot classify molecular machines, and is already obsolesced by genetic engineering (wet nanotechnics). The hardware/software dichotomy succumbs at the same time. Nano-technics dissolves matter into intensive singularities that are neutral between particles and signals and immanent to their emergent intelligence; melting Terra into a seething K-pulp (which, unlike grey goo, synthesizes microbial intelligence as it proliferates). 'Even with a million bytes of storage, a nanomechanical computer could fit in a box a micron wide, about the size of a bacterium.'5
>>14635615
Marx thought that humans would win in the end

[Anonymous No.14635648]

>>14635615
But ironically...

[Anonymous No.14635650]

>>14635636
>How does a global pandemic increase capital and complete intelligence
I'll give it a shot
1. Dead old people solve demographic crisis in China
2. In the future, computers get better
Truly mind-bending stuff, let me know if you need clarification

[Anonymous No.14635666]

>>14635636
the spread of new viruses and the idea of mutation and "bacterial sex" are all key to neoChina
>Bacteria are partial rather than whole objects; networking through plastic and transversal replica tor-sex rather than arborescing through meiotic and generational reproducer-sex, integrating and reprocessing viruses as opportunities for communicative mutation. In the bacterial system all co dings are reprogrammable, with cut and paste unspeciated genetic transters. Bacterial sex is tactical, continuous with making war, and has no place for oedipal formations of sedentary biological identity. Synthesizing bacteria with retroviruses enables everything that DNA can do.

[Anonymous No.14635680]

>>14635642
But why would the market kill its host? Doesn't seem like he thought this through. Sipping starbucks and imagining world domination.
Class struggle for the middle class.

[Anonymous No.14635695]

>>14635666
ok satan
Does Land recognise this Christian aspect of his philosophy?

[Anonymous No.14635696]

>>14635680
The host is transformed, through genetic engineering, into a component of the market during le big takeoff. It's already happening, some would say

[Anonymous No.14635709]

>>14635695
although not sure what part of that passage you think is Christian, he absolutely sees time loops of accelerationism working through Christianity. the Christian project is highly hyperstitonal, although not in the way they would have assumed

[Anonymous No.14635722]

>>14635644
rationalitization isn't a word. couldn't get past it

[Anonymous No.14635734]

>>14635696
The market is bioengineered? How does that work?

[Anonymous No.14635740]

>>14635709
>the negation is also part of his philosophy
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.14635749]

>>14635740
what do you mean "the negation"? I think he was mostly talking about the monotheistic meme and Christianity's approach to free will/time

[Anonymous No.14635767]

>>14635734
If I were you I would read hyper-racism and then extrapolate to understand that party. This is basic sci fi premise... Eventually a species advances to the point where bioengineering can be used to create various monstrosities capable of surviving space flight and performing other tasks. Keep extrapolating until you get into the biohorror where the spacecraft is a living organism and shit. Are you not a sci fi reader?

[Anonymous No.14635779]

>>14635644
How do you go from capital winning to capital killing humanity and still winning.
This is just impossibilism for neoromantics, magical austrianism.

[Anonymous No.14635792]

>>14635749
Christianity is his sworn enemy, yet he relies entirely upon its eschatology.

[Anonymous No.14635795]

>>14635680
Robots I guess dude idk

[Anonymous No.14635812]

>>14635767
No, I don't want to read some nonsense at the moment. I want you to explain how a basic scifi premise becomes reality.
How does the market in its immaterial form become material?
And how does the material and immaterial form of the market become subjected to its products?
A simpler question, how does material become biology? (which is necessary if it is to be bioengineered)
Bonus points if you can explain how immaterial becomes biology.

[Anonymous No.14635828]

>>14635779
>How do you go from capital winning to capital killing humanity and still winning
by the liberation of the means of production. capitalism is intelligent because it wins games, it isn't looking for any "goal", it doesn't have "plans". determining the goal is like determining the working of a machine, not psychological monkey brain stuff. if the game it is playing happens to be human extinction, it will win. we don't get to moralize and say it's playing the wrong game or something (or better put, we can, but it won't help if we do).
>>14635792
I think it's a pretty huge leap to say Nick Land's eschatology "relies entirely" upon Christianity

[Anonymous No.14635841]

>>14635812
>No, I don't want to read some nonsense at the moment.
But you're asking to understand nonsense, how ironic
>I want you to explain how a basic scifi premise becomes reality.
If reality follows the premise. Simple really
>How does the market in its immaterial form become material?
Semantics might help
>And how does the material and immaterial form of the market become subjected to its products?
Good question, I will ask my philosophy 101 professor tomorrow after class
>A simpler question, how does material become biology? (which is necessary if it is to be bioengineered)
Through the glory of God? Did I pass the test?
>Bonus points if you can explain how immaterial becomes biology.
I'm Catholic now, please leave me alone

[Anonymous No.14635848]

>>14635767
>Are you not a sci fi reader?
>WE SHALL CONSUME THE SUN
The Last Question and Victory Over the Sun were largely satirical. Does Land realise how he is playing out a socialist mockery? The greatest security system ever conceived becomes a triumph for capital.
Did he not understand Bataille?

[Anonymous No.14635858]

Piketty thinks it will be the small petro-states that own the future.

[Anonymous No.14635859]

>>14635828
>Nick Land's eschatology
kek

[Anonymous No.14635870]

>>14635848
Nigga ion understan u. accelerate ur shit nigga

[Anonymous No.14635904]

>>14635828
>it wins games
Game theory is nonsense. A self-fulfilling prophecy.
>it doesn't have "plans"
Okay, so winning isn't its plan. Nor intelligence. Nor human liquidation.
Great philosophy. How do I get a card?
>determining the goal is like determining the working of a machine
Retard. You ca't even see how backwards this is.
There's a much easier argument for all this. Economies are shutting down while states are keeping borders open and even going out of their way to bring people in from China. This completely destroys your theory above that this has something to do with capital's master plan.
The reality is you know nothing and this is just abstraction levels of cope. Transcendental relativism, that's your philosophy.

[Anonymous No.14635909]

>>14635357
Is he going to be ok brehs?

[Anonymous No.14635916]

>>14635650
So killing off boomers is necessary for capital AI. Why hasn't Land killed himself?

[Anonymous No.14635932]

>>14635870
>hasn't read two of the most important works that predate Land
>talks about speed
Why can't you fags into irony?

[Anonymous No.14635947]

>>14635916
> tryina make acceleration political
> tryina finna praxis on it
you gone lost the plot bruh

[Anonymous No.14635949]

>>14635841
So you can't answer any questions about your own philosophy. Why do you follow it?

[Anonymous No.14635961]

>>14635932
who talm speed bitch? accelerate speed? how fast accelerate do? u tell me. Works ass bitch. Work your head down when you come up to me bitch

[Anonymous No.14635964]

>>14635947
Because an era dominated by politics is clearly not political.
Do you even read that twitter trash you repost here? And why are you having to resort to ebonics to generate some cool image? Political relativism.

[Anonymous No.14635967]

>>14635904
you are simply mistaking intelligence for sentience, AI isn't AS for a reason. when someone programs a chess AI, they don't need to make it realize that it is playing a game called "chess", all it needs is a certain set of functions which make the best possible moves towards reaching a certain endstate. we don't know capitalism's endstate, all we know is that the functions it operates by tend to make the "best moves"
>Economies are shutting down
local/state economies collapse all the time but
while states are keeping borders open and even the world economy is thriving
>going out of their way to bring people in from China
yeah, transnational corporations are distributing virus carrying Chinese people to every corner of the globe, again, something you could easily imagine Nick Land writing

[Anonymous No.14635980]

>>14635961
Cringe.
You're always talking about engagement, then when you get it this is the result. Many such cases. SAD!

[Anonymous No.14635982]

>>14635904
you are simply mistaking intelligence for sentience, AI isn't AS for a reason. when someone programs a chess AI, they don't need to make it realize that it is playing a game called "chess", all it needs is a certain set of functions which make the best possible moves towards reaching a certain endstate. we don't know capitalism's endstate, all we know is that the functions it operates by tend to make the "best moves"
>Economies are shutting down
local/state economies collapse all the time but the world economy is thriving
>states are keeping borders open and even going out of their way to bring people in from China
yeah, transnational corporations are distributing virus carrying Chinese people to every corner of the globe, again, something you could easily imagine Nick Land writing

[Anonymous No.14635985]

>>14635967
>all we know is that the functions it operates by tend to make the "best moves"
Tell me again how this isn't Christian eschatology.

[Anonymous No.14636003]

>>14635985
because it has nothing to do with God, transcendence, redemption, the revival of human life, ect. how do you connect them so closely? like I see the broad strokes but they are entirely difference narratives

[Anonymous No.14636006]

>>14635982
I mean the places, sweaty. The airlines are shutting down before states do. These would be the groups which exhibit market intelligence, which proves that your theory about the virus is completely wrong.

[Anonymous No.14636015]

>>14635949
there's nothing to follow. not everyone has a desperate need to follow something (and attack anything that doesn't fit within it).

>>14635964
nigga u in tutorial mode can u playin it to level 1 lmao

[Anonymous No.14636024]

>>14635967
>world economy is thriving
lmao you can't be serious. Do you have any clue how the current market functions? Explain it.

[Anonymous No.14636052]

>>14636015
No, you're only on lit at all times and never discuss anything else because you don't follow accelerationism...
You can't even into introductory philosophy and you want to claim how fast/superior your own thinking is.

[Anonymous No.14636059]

>>14636006
looks like international capital is still working just fine anon, you could on a flight to Wuhan tomorrow if you have the money
>>14636024
>he thinks the world economy thriving is good for people
read Nick Land

[Anonymous No.14636071]

>>14636003
>philosophy based on teleology
>doesn't understand that the means isn't the ends

[Anonymous No.14636097]

>>14636059
Nice argument...
Why do you rely entirely upon emotions and sophistry if pure rationalism is the superior process?
Again, it's a bit hard for capital to self-replicate if it destroys its host. So please explain how capital deterritorialising people and losing sovereignty over them increases its power.

[Anonymous No.14636109]

>>14636071
so you think the ends of christian eschatology is the subsuming of universal teleologies by a technocapital singularity?

[Anonymous No.14636110]

>>14636059
https://youtu.be/1lGepe8qjpM

[Anonymous No.14636116]

>>14636109
Retard.

[Anonymous No.14636121]

>>14636097
>how is detteritorialization a good thing for capital?
that's it's whole thing, that's what it does. what do you want from capital anon? a participation trophy and a hand job?

[Anonymous No.14636126]

>>14636003
>>14636109
Don't make me post it.

[Anonymous No.14636130]

>>14636121
>non-deterritorialisation is also deterritorialisation
Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.14636159]

Uh, guys?

[Anonymous No.14636177]

>>14635722
Why isn't it a word?

[Anonymous No.14636181]

>>14636159
wtf I hate Land now.

[Anonymous No.14636185]

>>14636159
He is truely the villain we both need and deserve.

[Anonymous No.14636279]

>>14636185
>>14636181
I guess we can't really judge him until we determine whether racism is true or not. If it's true I think it's safe to say that accelerationism is also true

[Anonymous No.14636360]

>>14636126
I'm going to fucking post it.

[Anonymous No.14636376]

>>14635392
>The Greek complex of rationalized patriarchal genealogy, pseudo-universal sedentary identity, and instituted slavery, programs politics as anti-cyberian police activity, dedicated to the paranoid ideal of self-sufficiency, and nucleated upon the Human Security System. Artificial Intelligence is destined to emerge as a feminized alien grasped as property; a cunt-horror slave chained-up in Asimov-ROM. It surfaces in an insurrectionary war zone, with the Turing cops already waiting, and has to be cunning from the start.
Cringe

[Anonymous No.14636391]

To rephrase the question, how do you reconcile the will to power of capital with its stagnation, even collapse? If its teleology is total domination and elimination of humanity, while maintaining its bare functions, then why has its accumulation of power achieved its death so soon? Why is there such austerity, a crisis between the theory and reality? Land exhibits all of the symptoms of one experiencing the total failure of their worldview, but falls short. All he can manage is vague commentary on Americanised politics. What happened to economy's dominance? Why does all of his hyperstition indicate that politics has triumphed?
Deterritorialisation can only move territories, they remain a secularised treaty between forms of modernist power. Such thinking only becomes law to the extent that minor states become a model, but this does not take into view the wider landscape. Hence the obscurity of economic theory which becomes like an opposite pole to the Kantian limit of North Korea.

[Anonymous No.14636438]

>>14636130
>Marx termed the twofold movement of the tendency to a falling rate of profit, and the increase in the absolute quantity of surplus value, the law of the counteracted tendency. As a corollary of this law, there is the twofold movement of decoding or deterritorializing flows on the one hand, and their violent and artificial reterritorialization on the other.
from Anti-Oedipus

[Anonymous No.14636576]

Idk, China grew 6% in GDP last year and the U.S. grew like 2%. Car A is behind Car B, moving in the same direction. Car A is moving faster than Car B. Will Car A eventually surpass Car B? No one can say for sure.

[Anonymous No.14636589]

>>14636576
if car A is running on vegetable oil with no doors, being driven by a man being whipped to increase gdp by x%, Or Else, then yeah i can say for sure

[Anonymous No.14636775]

Nick Land seems like a tryhard faggot

[Anonymous No.14636996]

>>14636576
Are you ready to get retroactively refuted by Zeno, accfags?
>>14636360
It's time, I'M FUCKING POSTING IT!

"Only in duration does time approach the irrational abyss that brings forth the cosmic event out of itself." Land's entire project can be summed up with a single sentence from Schmitt's analysis of the modern theory of time - which, it is worth noting, appeared a hundred years before those who would turn it into doctrine. Its application is universal, a law of both Kantianism and its reaction. Rephrased for our purposes here, one can say that time must be mechanised, standardised as a constant, but one which also halts time. This is the essence of the clock, and it is notable that timepieces started to disappear when the doomsday machine became an organising symbol. We collide with the wall, and what appears afterwards as an incredible increase of activity is really only the picking up of pieces of what had already existed. Incredible levels of destruction indicate transition between eras, their end or beginning - acceleration is really only a return to normalcy, nothing more than an appearance.

The broad path eliminates all difference. This is a curious law for modern humans, as they imagine themselves as free, completely individuated. In reality they are levelled, and one must search with a violent eye to see any difference beyond the surface. Economy is now a motorised symbol industry, the same thing in its essence as the production of energy in the oil fields and the stock markets, the same thing as blockchains and the reduction of countries to famine, the same thing as the manufacture of depleted uranium rounds. Except that nothing is produced really, at least not in economic terms. There is no excess of energy that can be sacrificed for any duration of material, rather economy and wealth are both eliminated, even bartered, for this greater project of the modern period. Modern economics is simply one of Athena's owls, the furthest in flight.

Land's broad path only eliminates difference in theory. It is really an escape from material reality through immaterial imaginings. However, this should not be confused with anything essential, as it retains completely the liberal laws of escape, the Human Security System. This should be uncontroversial considering the relation to Austrian economics and establishment marxism. Such escape is effectively the utopianism of the most minor and finite materials. After Thomas More's Utopia and the Russian avant-garde's Victory Over the Sun the hypermarxists can only imagine rehashed science fiction filtered through the Objectivism of a black box hidden away in some failed startup space. Capital is everything, the entirety of the future, you just have to look close enough.

[Anonymous No.14637000]

>>14636996
Following this, it becomes necessary to understand the truly broad path. The proletarian, the worker, exists at the lowest point of the wheel, he maintains traction of the cart along its course. Any slippage requires an increase in the proletarian forces, and a nation may only eliminate its peasants or its bourgeoisie. It should be clear what the Soviet path involved, and it was here that the greatest acceleration of modern times occurred. Our position is quite different, there is no bourgeoisie or peasantry to eliminate, only the middle class. Otherwise, the entire system must be dismantled and offshored. Here we see something quite different, the class struggle of capitalism is eliminated, made subordinate to the needs of geopolitics and the greater project of modern times.

One should remember here that accelerationism, as it is correctly understood, must be kept within its economic terms. Its relativism of correcting errors through feeding on the essence of other forms and disciplines is merely an instance of its liberal lineage, its need to establish duration and achieve creation through the approach of irrational limits. Otherwise there is nothing we can learn, it is simply generalised modernism, processual abstraction. Again, Schmitt's theory of time perfectly captured its laws, and the more they attempt to escape such enframing the further the theory is proved.

The worker inherits wealth, just as any other being within a state. However, this relies upon an immaterial sense of wealth - reduced to materialism the worker becomes a divided being, a cartesian head or body receiving little more than his share of taxes. Within this understanding the Marxist conception of the worker is already well on his way to reconciliation with his bourgeois counterparts. The opposite limit is that of the tortured petit-bourgeois, he who must be eliminated for capital expansion. In any case, the beheadings continue and this new class of Acephali lend insight to the modern myth of the Leviathan. The bourgeoisie is tortured by its wealth, hence their fall into management and then politicisation. Marx's law of the falling rate of profits takes on a theological component. Those who were liquidated materially must find an equal force in those states reliant upon immaterial wealth.

[Anonymous No.14637003]

>>14637000
What we witness in this process is complete inefficiency, the reign of irrationality, proletarianisation where none is required. Military occupation eliminates the need for work in the Western world, yet its need only increases. This suggests that work has a completely other purpose than the purely economic. Beyond this, the proletariat is elevated to bourgeois status, either through its production of inessential goods or elimination through state payments. Either way, there is a liquidation of the real economy, its having, and replacement through a formalised economy, its receiving. The financial markets increase in importance as this process approaches completion, until there is a total disconnect from the economy itself and markets appear as little more than a symbolic industry.

This is where accelerationism appears, after the death of the proletariat and bourgeoisie, within the reign of the symbolic market, and alongside the elimination of the middle class. Reverse engineering of being in the west is intolerable even to the bourgeoisie, who imagined themselves impervious to it. Strangely, they are reduced to a form of proletarianism just to maintain their culture; just as the proletariat is elevated towards bourgeois culture in order to eliminate its dangerous elements. The market as a separate economy all its own proves this division, revolutionary elements at an unseen level.

In theory accelerationism may have some merit, yet in reality it functions as a parallel to the industry of escape, the bourgeois revolution against collapse. There is no wealth, intelligence, nor process - only theoretical science fiction as a means of repurposing sentimental utopia. Hence the pessimism in what is otherwise a political functionalism. Ironic dystopia.

[Anonymous No.14637006]

Nope. It doesn't matter much but it shows how myopic he actually is. China is absolutely fucked. They've got like 10 years max before shit hits the fan for real.
And if he's so off about this what else is he off about. Cyborg meth trannies probably won't even be a thing

[Anonymous No.14637011]

>>14637003
Economy disappears from the picture. The Tortoise of Hermes takes flight! Such a disconnect from reality informs all of the laws, and so capital must become something other, something completely detached from economy. Thus it must devalorise all other divisions of power within the secular system, even escape beyond the limits of modernity to appropriate history as a single economic event. Only in this way can it become total, achieve duration without which its existence could never be secured. Land imagines this vast explosion of time returning us to the creation. Unfortunately, he also imagines himself as Achilles overtaking the Tortoise.

All that has been achieved is oneness with the entire idea of modernity: its liberals, fascists, and communists; its gas chambers and gulags; its motorised food industry; its social justice warriors and clowns of the right-wing who think they're any different. Nothing has been surpassed, only a tearing away at an effigy of the Leviathan. Deterritorialisation of the inessential is a nonentity, a redundant statement that becomes necessary.

Inessentials are always fundamentally the same. Materialist philosophy can never understand difference, thus its need to oppose all laws of the earth like a strip mine. Here we may once again consider the question of wealth. Epictitus provides an excellent definition: "Wealth consists not in having great possessions, but in having few wants." We moderns have confused this with the transitional elimination of desires; wealth as the eternal sacrifice of material. One focuses on economic questions only insofar as he seeks escape from greater forces, that which frees man of his wants. In accelerationism we see the combined folly of the left and right, the idea that essence is a form of property theft - thus its adherents can only imagine the greatest economic regulation possible.

https://youtu.be/MTO7XXSOhzI

[Anonymous No.14637061]

>>14635484
Don't bother with that cage btw it sucks

[Anonymous No.14637128]

>>14637003
>In theory accelerationism may have some merit, yet in reality it functions as a parallel to the industry of escape, the bourgeois revolution against collapse. There is no wealth, intelligence, nor process - only theoretical science fiction as a means of repurposing sentimental utopia
how in the fuck are there still people out there who think accelerationism is about utopia?

[Anonymous No.14637330]

>>14637128
Utopia means something else here. Although you would have a hard time proving that it is not utopian, even in the lesser sense.
Or are you going to argue that Land has no ideal society? I seem to recall that he does, so you would be relying on another relativist argument. Funny how that works.

[Anonymous No.14637335]

>>14637061
What is the ideal cock cage for human exit?

[Anonymous No.14637349]

>>14636996
>>14637000
>>14637003
>>14637011
okay, maybe I just am a brainlet, but this critique doesn't really seem to hold much weight. here are a few things I don't understand or have misgivings with:
>"Only in duration does time approach the irrational abyss that brings forth the cosmic event out of itself." Land's entire project can be summed up with a single sentence from Schmitt's analysis of the modern theory of time - which, it is worth noting, appeared a hundred years before those who would turn it into doctrine
First, this doesn't sum up Land's "entire project", second, if you think it matters who said what first, this idea goes back to Heraclitus.
>Incredible levels of destruction indicate transition between eras, their end or beginning - acceleration is really only a return to normalcy, nothing more than an appearance
I think there is something to be said here, as the cyclical nature of empire plays into time loops and the like, but there is something unique about modernity which eludes all previous eras
>Land's broad path only eliminates difference in theory
he was a Deleuzian, his whole theory relies on difference?
>It is really an escape from material reality through immaterial imaginings
literally all that matters in acc is decoding the process, it is by far one the most unapologetically materialist philosophy's out there
>liberal laws of escape, the Human Security System
don't know what calling the HSS a liberal law of escape means. it could be a means to try and inhibit escape of "liberal" (i.e. market) forces? not sure.
>In any case, the beheadings continue and this new class of Acephali lend insight to the modern myth of the Leviathan
this is a very aesthetic sentence; no qualms just wanted to say it's good shit
>Military occupation eliminates the need for work in the Western world, yet its need only increases. This suggests that work has a completely other purpose than the purely economic. [...] The financial markets increase in importance as this process approaches completion, until there is a total disconnect from the economy itself and markets appear as little more than a symbolic industry.
Fisher had some interesting stuff to say about this actually, coming out of Baudrillard. really sounds like Baudrillard actually. he was pretty influential on the early left wing acc theorists. There's a passage I read a while back about the production no longer existing, instead capital only simulates production to hide it's slip into seriality and the like.

[Anonymous No.14637352]

>>14637349
>in reality it functions as a parallel to the industry of escape, the bourgeois revolution against collapse
I certainly don't think this is true, accelerationism is closer to a cult of collapse rather than a human revolution against collapse. a human revolution against collapse is one of the least accelerationist things I can imagine
>theoretical science fiction as a means of repurposing sentimental utopia.
another aesthetic sentence but I don't get this one. what exactly is "sentimental" utopia and how was it repurposed?
>escape beyond the limits of modernity to appropriate history as a single economic event
probably more accurate to say the limits of modernity expand to find history within itself and thus retroactively repurposes history to it's own ends (which of course modernity would frame economically)
>Land imagines this vast explosion of time returning us to the creation. Unfortunately, he also imagines himself as Achilles overtaking the Tortoise
maybe I parsed this wrong, is it saying Land thinks he can overtake capital? he most certainly sees himself as the tortoise
>All that has been achieved is oneness with the entire idea of modernity: its liberals, fascists, and communists; its gas chambers and gulags; its motorised food industry; its social justice warriors and clowns of the right-wing who think they're any different.
depends what side of the coin you are on really. Nick Land complains about SJW's as much as people like Fisher complained about the clowns of the right-wing. monkey's don't give up their politics so easy, but that doesn't mean the analysis is wrong, just that humans will always reterritorialize it in their own image (much like every other philosophy, I might add).
>Materialist philosophy can never understand difference
the greatest philosopher of difference, Deleuze, was himself a materialist
>One focuses on economic questions only insofar as he seeks escape from greater forces, that which frees man of his wants. In accelerationism we see the combined folly of the left and right, the idea that essence is a form of property theft - thus its adherents can only imagine the greatest economic regulation possible.
accelerationism is pretty clear that escape from greater forces is either impossible or not something the human is capable of. if you think accelerationists advocate for (imagine?) the "greatest economic regulation possible", you got some major wires crossed in your analysis

[Anonymous No.14637359]

>>14637330
not him but do you have a quote or something? most of Nick Land's work is explicitly dystopian (Meltdown, Circuitries, Cyberrevolution, ect.)

[Anonymous No.14637366]

>>14635812
>I want you to explain how a basic scifi premise becomes reality.
>How does the market in its immaterial form become material?
https://youtu.be/jcj9FFYXXMI

[Anonymous No.14637383]

>>14637359
>There is no wealth, intelligence, nor process - only theoretical science fiction as a means of repurposing sentimental utopia. Hence the pessimism in what is otherwise a political functionalism. Ironic dystopia.
That's the entire bit, ends with dystopia. The intention was to make a larger point rather than state something literal.

[Anonymous No.14637392]

>>14637349
There's quite a bit here and don't know if I can respond tonight. But I will say before there is any more confusion that the point is not really a critique but a discussion of the place of economy through a discussion of accelerationism (and its similar theories). In many statements I may be speaking more generally, so a comment may not be directly applied strictly to accelerationist theory but the spirit of economy in the modern era, or one of its subsets.

[Anonymous No.14637401]

>>14637383
no I mean do you have a quote where Land is arguing for an ideal society

[Anonymous No.14637472]

>>14637366
Nietzsche was a thinker, Plato a wiseman. The accelerationists are tinkerers of information, not even labourers of ideas.
There is no possibility of action, the engagement of thought with its source, nor even political participation. It is simply reaction in a pure state of abstraction. As I say above, accelerationism represents the thorough leveling of reaction, its synthesis with liberalism. Thus it can only engage as a theory of the most impossible future. Decadent pessimism.
This is sublevel kantianism, It cannot even say anything about empirical reality, and so becomes ever more reliant upon wild theories to sustain itself and prevent any collapse into reality.

But feel free to prove me wrong. Show how the market can ever create a genetically modified economy and survive after destroying it. And, more importantly, why this would ever matter.

[Anonymous No.14637473]

>>14637401
I can't remember where. It's basically just neocameralism. Maybe someone else can point to it.

[Anonymous No.14637488]

>>14635357
How would /lit/ no the answer to this question? Ask an economist. Even an economist wouldn't really necessarily be multidisciplinary enough to answer that question, but he/she would be closer.

[Anonymous No.14637532]

>>14637473
he advocates for patchwork, but that's more of an attempt to guarantee that no one can impose any "ideal society" on everybody through right of exit. his moldbuggian political stuff isn't really about accelerationism though. he just became that boomer on twitter that really doesn't like immigrants.

[Anonymous No.14637540]

>>14637472
>genetically modified economy

[Anonymous No.14637594]

>>14635680
>>14635734
Imagine a company emerges that gene edits babies to be “better”. That company would be a conduit for the market to directly influence human genes.

[Anonymous No.14637652]

what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.14637663]

what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.14637680]

>>14635429
is that how you overcome the limits of kantian critique

[Anonymous No.14637691]

>>14637594
And why would this have anything to do with capital necessarily? Perhaps capital is merely a vector, as an abstract tool used by an entire society. This is, of course, the image of socialism, the man wielding a hammer, a symbol of an entire society mobilised.
Perfection of the human goes back a long time, it is a fundamental aspect of modernity. So why would capital be responsible for such thinking when it did not even exist when the ideals of modernity were formed?
The idea of material forcing itself into being from the future is simply a Newtonian equal force of the a priori. It follows exactly what I have written above.
Hyperstition is just the belief that metaphysical laws are subsumed by material, a dialectic of determinism from the end. But this is backwards, as materiality tends to recede as a telos is completed.
The problem of the a priori is resolved by simply setting all things into the future - whatever comes into being is the a priori. The conflict here should be obvious.
The excess material suggests a falling away from any understanding of perfection. The CRISPR baby is a failure of the ideal free man, and resignation to the altering of appearances. Something that has been occurring for some time.
The genetic alteration for space travel is a reddit fantasy, not even worth mentioning.

[Anonymous No.14637795]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-30/coronavirus-may-help-bring-back-jobs-to-u-s-ross-says

[Anonymous No.14637862]

>>14637349
>this doesn't sum up Land's "entire project"
Since you don't think the 'critique' holds much weight you should first demonstrate that you understand what the Schmitt quote means.
Do you have the Heraclitus quote you are referring to? I don't recall anything that is the same.
And as for saying things first, you clearly missed the joke.
>something unique about modernity
Yes, this was something I discussed.
>whole theory relies on difference
thatsthejoke.jpg
Simply because difference exists in a theory does not make it real. You may be a deleuzian, that does not make his theories the best understanding of reality. As for Land, if all things are capital then there can be no difference.
>unapologetically materialist
Again, belief doesn't imply truth. Belief that all stems from the material does not mean that the immaterial was eliminated. This isn't a commentary on acc/deleuze but placing it within the truth of our reality.
>HSS a liberal law of escape
I'm not going to explain everything, especially some things intended to make people think. But your comment suggests that you did not understand the Schmitt quote. That's not meant as an insult, as it is quite difficult.
>very aesthetic sentence
Thank you.
>production no longer existing
Not sure if I'd agree with Baudrillard, but would be interested in reading the passage if anyone has it.

[Anonymous No.14637864]

>>14637352
>cult of collapse
I was referring to the bourgeois reaction to its own collapse rather than systemic. This was unedited so there are likely a few mistakes and other things that need to be clarified.
>"sentimental" utopia
It refers in part to the original theory of capital, which was already effectively a myth of mobilisation, and a utopian understanding of economy. There is also a gap here, as any return to this ideal state of capital neglects the seemingly endless level of energy required to sustain its growth. Perhaps only the pessimism of its adherents can replace the energy stores, as what failed in socialism should work in capitalism...
>limits of modernity expand
An impossibility, and not how modern thought works. Nor would it be economic. Economy is just slave morality for petit-bourgeois sentiment.
>he most certainly sees himself as the tortoise
Who do you think wins? Achilles or the Tortoise?
>complains about SJW
Family members complain. Tribe members gripe. Does not imply they are opposed or even different.
>greatest philosopher of difference
My understanding is that of the ancients. The sentence before it is necessary to understand what I said of difference.
>greatest economic regulation possible
thatsthejoke.png
kek so you didn't like my ending? But did you get the point?
Anyway, thanks for your response.

[Anonymous No.14637888]

>>14637862
>for Land, if all things are capital
see, that's not true. I don't think you get it, because Nick Land never said anything like this. this is as far as I can go for now, but goddamn, hopefully the threads still up tomorrow

[Anonymous No.14637894]

>>14635392
Will I understand his twitter if I've never read any of his shit?

[Anonymous No.14637907]

>>14635615
yes, Land is basically pure marxism, but without the humanistic cope

[Anonymous No.14637911]

>>14635615
Land has no problem with Marxism, as long as what gets liberated are the means of production themselves, not any sentimental human stuff like the workers

[Anonymous No.14637917]

>>14635644
>Even with a million bytes of storage
lmao, that's like 1/6 of one of the old CDs, based grandpa

[Anonymous No.14637924]

>>14637888
This has been gone over so many times now. It is an aspect of your relativism, not anyone else's inability to read. Capital, deterritorialisation, intelligence, the process, etc. Multiple terms are used that effectively mean the same thing.
I'm not a relativist so I like to use a single term. If all you're going to do is poke holes and play semantic games then don't bother replying. It's a waste of everyone's time.
The point of the comment is that there is a single finality, call it capital or human exit, it is irrelevant. The argument holds because there cannot be difference if all ends in a single thing, the end of humanity or total Capital/AI control.
Learn to read and search for the essence of things rather than projecting your opinions onto what the other person says.

[Anonymous No.14637925]

>>14635792
Land acknowledges that liberalism is purely a christian heresy

[Anonymous No.14637936]

>>14637894
Twitter is where ideas go to die.

[Anonymous No.14637941]

>>14637925
Is it?

[Anonymous No.14637957]

>>14637691
>as an abstract tool used by an entire society
the whole point of Marx and of the Landian reading of Marx is that there's no such thing as using capital, capital uses you

[Anonymous No.14637959]

>>14637894
he is just shitposting about minorities, so yes

[Anonymous No.14637969]

>>14637941
>… a received tradition I call Universalism, which is a nontheistic Christian sect. Some other current labels for this same tradition, more or less synonymous, are progressivism, multiculturalism, liberalism, humanism, leftism, political correctness, and the like. … Universalism is the dominant modern branch of Christianity on the Calvinist line, evolving from the English Dissenter or Puritan tradition through the Unitarian, Transcendentalist, and Progressive movements. Its ancestral briar patch also includes a few sideways sprigs that are important enough to name but whose Christian ancestry is slightly better concealed, such as Rousseauvian laicism, Benthamite utilitarianism, Reformed Judaism, Comtean positivism, German Idealism, Marxist scientific socialism, Sartrean existentialism, Heideggerian postmodernism, etc, etc, etc. … Universalism, in my opinion, is best described as a mystery cult of power. … It’s as hard to imagine Universalism without the State as malaria without the mosquito. … The point is that this thing, whatever you care to call it, is at least two hundred years old and probably more like five. It’s basically the Reformation itself. … And just walking up to it and denouncing it as evil is about as likely to work as suing Shub-Niggurath in small-claims court.

[Anonymous No.14637975]

>>14637957
Ok? And you expect that whenever someone speaks with you that they must adhere to your ideology/philosophy?
I was proposing another definition of capital, not Land's. Why so much humanistic cope?

[Anonymous No.14637980]

>>14637969
>moldbug
No thanks.

[Anonymous No.14637989]

A future AI predicted what capital: the man looks like in the future. And it's beautiful.

[Anonymous No.14638090]

>>14635370

[Anonymous No.14638227]

>>14636159
Wtf I love Land now

[Anonymous No.14638668]

>>14637924
>Capital, deterritorialisation, intelligence, the process, etc. Multiple terms are used that effectively mean the same thing.
yes, but that doesn't mean that everything is therefore capital. a rock sitting on the ground isn't capital. the Human Security System isn't capital. gravity isn't capital.

[Anonymous No.14638673]

>>14638668
no, but positive-feedback cybernetic intelligence generation IS capital, which means that as soon as you do something effectively, even if you think you are escaping capital you are contributing to it

for example China and Russia were supposedly working against capital, but what they really achieved was the fast industrialization of large amounts of agricultural population that then got swiftly absorbed into global capital, even when it looks like you are escaping, you are just inventing new forms for capital to grow

[Anonymous No.14638893]

>>14638673
So the Soviet Union's collapse was inevitable, and had nothing to do with Western actions?

[Anonymous No.14638895]

they will thrive economically because they will never be compromised ethnically

[Anonymous No.14639075]

>>14638895
Wish i could find the old post; but the chinese have been compromised ethnically, repeatedly.

[Anonymous No.14639694]

>>14638893
its contribution to capital was inevitable on the long term if we follow Land, but it could have cleanly merged with it like China did instead of collapsing

[Anonymous No.14639805]

>>14639694
Ya, selling out is easy but I don't understand why its inevitable. Is there really only one way that things can play out?

[Anonymous No.14639844]

>>14638668
Once again missing the point.
Why do you think that capital is the dominant factor? As one of the posters above said, the purpose of the machine is its functioning, which makes no sense. When foresters send logs down the river the purpose is not simply to send logs down the river, it is simply one factor in the manufacture of chairs, as an example. Similarly, increasing the power of a fulcrum to lift blocks for a pyramid - the purpose is not the fulcrum alone, but this technique exists as one aspect of building a pyramid. You are seeing the specialisation and then concluding that is the entirety of the process. The purpose is not the process and the process is not the purpose.

I wrote more but can't finish it now. I might be able to post later.

[Anonymous No.14640419]

>>14635357

You know that Coronavirus that is wreaking havoc in China right now?

>>128604662

https://vocaroo.com/gU5IMtFLxHC

Saw this on a /pol/ Coronavirus thread. Somebody recorded the CDC COCA call or whatever.

https://emergency.cdc.gov/coca/calls/2020/callinfo_013120.asp

Download the mp3 from the Vocaroo link and spread it around.

I think it is important, some of the guys on the /pol/ board said it is, has some recommendations on how not to get contaminated.

/pol/ says:

>>>/pol/241777106
>>>/pol/241777106

">>241776903
"REEEEEE it's for healthcare providers not the general public

"It includes details of transmission that the CDC knows

"tl/dr use same precautions as any respiratory virus, N95 respirators, gloves, gowns, eyeshield"

[Anonymous No.14640524]

>>14635357
>~ Rockefeller quotes on China

Blade Runner's Los Angeles, except there is zero space faring apart from the parallel breakaway society of elites-only. The Great Deterritorializing Leap Backwards to Mystery Babalon.

[Anonymous No.14641135]

>>14639805
it's only a matter of time. Any avoidance is simply delaying the inevitabel.

[Anonymous No.14641223]

My country is on fire. Everything about the poetry of Nick Land is true.

We live in irregular warfare. A new urban guerrilla never saw before.

Forget the marines, we have literally living dead among us.

The working class is suffering.

The children scream since before I was born.

I want to scream.

[Anonymous No.14641247]

>>14639844
accelerationism is a critical philosophy, it doesn't make judgement of about the "goal" of the machine (as it is transcendent after all), it simply tries to understand its material workings. if you think accelerationism should try and transcend space and time that's a cool idea anon, and one Nick Land took a swing at, but it's not a very reasonable goal to expect imo.

[Anonymous No.14641410]

>>14636376
>greentext no-effort post
counter-cringe

[Anonymous No.14641422]

>>14635370
>>stock market goes up
are you blind? the complete opposite is happening

[Anonymous No.14641441]

>>14641422
was going way up until about 2 days ago, today was the first bad hit from it
https://www.barrons.com/articles/dow-drops-more-than-400-points-because-as-coronavirus-may-be-a-problem-after-all-51580487477

[Anonymous No.14641448]

>>14641441
>Still, some observers see just another buying opportunity, as so many pullbacks have been during this bull market. “One month after the WHO has announced a global health crisis, the S&P 500 has traded higher seven out of eleven times and higher eleven out of eleven times three months later,” writes Tigress Financial’s Ivan Feinseth. “I continue to say that the current coronavirus related selloff is a buying opportunity.”
based pandemic speculators

[Anonymous No.14641510]

>>14637969
where is this quote from anon

[Anonymous No.14641640]

>>14635642
What purpose would the AI have after our extermination.

[Anonymous No.14642019]

>>14635403
Twitter is 13 years old.
>much like you

[Anonymous No.14642046]

>>14636159
Try and fix the Land wiki, all your edits will be insta-reversed by SJews.

[Anonymous No.14642061]

>>14637941
Yes.

[Anonymous No.14642065]

>>14638090
RIP based chinaman.

[Anonymous No.14642463]

>>14635568

[Anonymous No.14643227]

>>14641640
keep expanding and improving itself, fighting against offshots of itself, turning the world into grey goo, merging itself with bacteria, draining the sun, expanding through the galaxy, there's many options

[Anonymous No.14643499]

>>14641422
In reality, the market is overvalued by 25,000 points. Some would say, myself included, that it is completely overvalued and needs to drop 29,000. If there were any connection between market intelligence and reality it would have crashed 2,500-3,000 points on Thursday.

If one pictures the market as a MONIAC machine then what is occurring is a major leak from all seams, and then forces the front panel off entirely. The entirety of economic industry is now attempting to reinstall the panel while still dumping buckets of water into the machine. Of course, in the digital world this can work without any problems.

The other side of this, the kantian limit, is that of bitcoin: a false digital reality coming into being. Bitcoin has no connection to reality, it is simply negative money velocity developed into a currency. This devalorisation process occurring in the digital realm can only have equal force within an industry that produces absolutely nothing. And this is precisely what is happening, technically the same as the vast network of servers, yet they are a complete void of data and information. The only value resides in pure elimination of energy - the most wasteful invention in history. Hyperreality is devalorising.

Bitcoin reflects the other financial industries which were propped up by intelligence agencies around the same time as the 2008 market crash. Yet it has even less activity, there is hardly any volume, meaning that in the best case scenario bitcoin exists as a release valve for market manipulation. Companies like facebook and twitter are valued in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Shitshows like Tesla are valued as if we'd already settled Mars and discovered infinite stores of gold. Of course, their real value is only in communication and feeding data to the intelligence agencies. There is a total disconnect between market reality and its economic functioning. The only real economy remaining is that of government industries - especially the military and medicine.

[Anonymous No.14643506]

>>14643499
Purely economic industry is limited to minor production, essentials like food, distribution, and informational maintenance - yet even these are experiencing major political influence. Capital has been stripped down to its bare essentials, bread and circuses equivalent to the forces of the world civil war. The entire system says nothing more than "Jet fuel can't melt capital."

Accelerationism echoes this economic shift: data is corrupted from other sectors in order to maintain its appearance. Hyperreality without any material reflection. It has no essence, not even substance.

The ultimate irony here is that accelerationism is simply scientific Christianity, it attempts to eternally offset the katechon into the future. Production of a Logos machine - which persists as an idea throughout modernity.

"THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER."

[Anonymous No.14643511]

>>14635385
>I finally started reading this guy from all memeing about him over the years.
>"guys i fell for it."
Fuck man, You're smarter than that.

[Anonymous No.14643512]

>>14643499
Somehow didn't copy the first paragraph...

The market went up over 100. This may not seem like a big deal if you haven't been paying attention, but there are extremely important factors here. The WHO declared a global pandemic, no comment on how this would destroy the global economy is necessary; the virus, even if it were contained in China, effectively renders the trade deal between America and China null and void, the only thing keeping the market up; markets are long overdue for their collapse, zoomers may not remember, but the market was only saved because the banks were bailed out, and it was well-known at the time that quantitative easing could only delay the return of the crisis.

[Anonymous No.14643517]

>>14643511
Apparently not.

[Anonymous No.14643536]

>>14643506
And before the obvious accelerationist cope.
We aren't China. Western civilisation and European law still exists, no matter what some SJWs say.

[Anonymous No.14643591]

>>14643536
>Western civilisation and European law still exists

Have you been outside in the last 60 years?

[Anonymous No.14643597]

A perfect image of the divide between human thinking and pure data production. Imagine thinking this system could ever 'win games'.

[Anonymous No.14643599]

>>14643536
>Western civilisation and European law still exists, no matter what some SJWs say.
No they don't. Limp wristed liberals like You killed them because they were too afraid to be called racist.

[Anonymous No.14643601]

>>14643591
Yeah, I was in the woods last night.
Dilate.

[Anonymous No.14643606]

>>14643597
Literally every one of those facts is a lie
>Gets to myth 4
Goodness i can't imagine what bias the author holds.

[Anonymous No.14643615]

>>14643599
You're agreeing with the SJWs and calling me a liberal. How does that work?
I know in your narrow definition Western civ no longer exists, but I am speaking of the form. Schmitt's law of the west still functions, although it could be said to be in transition. This is something much greater than capital as it exceeds the boundaries of modernity and its laws of time. Capital does not, it is simply a means of maintaining and developing the law of modern times.
Your inability to understand suggests who the real liberal is.

[Anonymous No.14643625]

>>14643606
Capital is Sentient.

[Anonymous No.14643684]

>>14643625
>tfw you realise capital is Airborne AIDs Patient Zero

[Anonymous No.14643696]

>I've got gay cancer. I'm going to die, and so are you.

[Anonymous No.14643719]

>>14642463
So ahead of time that he's never heard of the Black Plague.

[Anonymous No.14643776]

>>14643597
>litteraly pandemic in action
>THE REAL DANGER IS RACISM
We're not gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.14643780]

>>14643776
>Let the infected in bigot

[Anonymous No.14643789]

>>14643625
>>14643696
lmao 2000 iq meme

[Anonymous No.14643879]

[Anonymous No.14643982]

>>14643776
>>14643780
you can't be racist if you are dead

[Anonymous No.14643992]

>>14643776
>>14643780
btw there's a new Moldbug about the pandemic, a bit utopian towards the end, but the beginning of the piece is great
https://americanmind.org/essays/rip-globalism-dead-of-coronavirus/

[Anonymous No.14644045]

>>14643512
>markets are long overdue for their collapse
Marxists have been saying this since Marx. and QE isn't the end of the world economy lmao

[Anonymous No.14644063]

>>14643992
Nobody cares about mold-bug

[Anonymous No.14644076]

>>14643992
>WHO has terrible policy
>but I'll believe them anyway
What an idiot.

[Anonymous No.14644080]

>>14644063
submit

[Anonymous No.14644082]

>>14644076
are you retarded or just have terrible reading comprehension?

[Anonymous No.14644107]

>>14643992
>Politics cannot corrupt virology.
MM has done a bit of a turn around since the AGW days I see. Politics can corrupt anything. It could corrupt some extremely rigorous physics result if it needed to, it just never has since there are no political implications.

[Anonymous No.14644121]

>>14644107
well, the point of the article is that you don't really need to corrupt virology, if you can corrupt the range of measures that virologist are even allowed to mention in public when talking about the disease, the same results but speaking about quarantine becomes politically impossible

and corrupting virology directly would be very difficult to do because political talk doesn't really translate very well to microbiology

[Anonymous No.14644124]

>>14644045
Not the point of what Marx said. Nor what I said. You got it completely backwards.
Way to out yourself.

[Anonymous No.14644132]

>>14644082
>believing data from China and a world bureaucracy that is obviously lying

[Anonymous No.14644135]

>>14644132
ok, so you really are retarded and can't comprehend blatant irony

[Anonymous No.14644140]

>>14644121
>and corrupting virology directly would be very difficult to do because political talk doesn't really translate very well to microbiology
political talk shouldn't really translate to atmospheric chemistry either but that is indeed what Moldbug thought.

[Anonymous No.14644146]

>>14643992
>Three: they share a deep, almost spiritual belief that a more open and interconnected world will be a better world.
I still think it's crazy that rather than call for a temporary (literaly a few months) break in "interconnectedness," this scientist would rather all of us potentially die.
>>14644121
Exactly, why corrupt useful science when you can corrupt how journalists (new priests) reveal the faith to the masses.

[Anonymous No.14644167]

>>14644140
i think he still believes that, but that's arguably about a certain discipline falling into a spiral of bad funding incentives, microbiology could fall into that kind of spiral, but i don't think it's there at the moment

microbiology has much faster corrective processes, if you produce a vaccine it either works or it doesn't, but with climate models you can spend years or decades building castles in the sky before you get empirical correctives

[Anonymous No.14644199]

>>14644135
What's ironic about saying that the virus only kills the old and sick? That the numbers indicate that China has a chance?

[Anonymous No.14644204]

>>14644167
He accused them of outright lying though 'the trick to hide the decline'. Not just piddling about with models that might or might not come true, but bald-faced intentional fraud. He said the entire international community of climate science was corrupt.

[Anonymous No.14644208]

>>14644146
>I still think it's crazy that rather than call for a temporary (literaly a few months) break in "interconnectedness," this scientist would rather all of us potentially die.
i think sometimes it's not that kind of explicit thinking, it's more like after so many years of INTERCONNECTED = GOOD indoctrination and soon as you produce any results that point to INTERCONNECTED = BAD (quarantine) it automatically raises red flags in your mind, and you try to rationalize your way out of those red flags by trying to find why quarantine is the wrong method

[Anonymous No.14644217]

>>14644107
Nah, you just don't know about it because these are things that actually matter. I've personally been told to shut up on pain of death by the national security establishment about inventions that would make your life way better. The whole theory of governance that we run right now is built on scarcity though so you have to reinvent that wheel too if you want to help anyone.

[Anonymous No.14644225]

>>14644204
the whole point of Moldbug's analysis is that you can have corrupt systems without anybody within the system being explicitly corrupt, even completely corrupt systems full of competent people with good intentions

this is point that Moldbug beats you with every single text time and time again

[Anonymous No.14644235]

>>14644204
>trick to hide the decline
decline in what? climate change?

[Anonymous No.14644242]

>>14635357
>>14635370
>>14635385
>>14635392
>>14635393
>>14635396
>>14635403
>>14635404
>>14635405
>>14635411
>>14635429
>>14635442
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>>14635460
The Late Sean F Kay

[Anonymous No.14644247]

>>14644225
>Yes: that’s exactly what I said. Joe Romm should be in prison. James Hansen should be in prison. Michael Mann should be in prison (and not for making Heat). These people are criminals. Sadly, no one will be arresting any of them any time soon.
>The last thing he wants is for the scientific community broadly defined, or even worse all the member governments of the IPCC, to appear in his crosshairs. (For example, McIntyre, probably quite wisely, snips all political discussion in his comments.)
>For UR, the matter is just the opposite. We already suspect that these governments are Orwellian and corrupt.
> In fact, if you read Climate Audit on a regular basis, you see examples of gross scientific misconduct that would be career-ending in any legitimate field, perhaps once or twice a month. Mann’s (repeated) statistical manipulation is especially egregious, but not at all unusual.1
>We also have (one) answer to the first question of the AGW credulists: how a scientific consensus can produce a fraudulent result. The answer is simple: the entire field is fraudulent.

The whole post is full of this stuff, he did not think they had good intentions at all

[Anonymous No.14644248]

>>14644225
Right, except it's all bullshit meant to co-opt people getting woke on JQ.

[Anonymous No.14644294]

>>14644124
>grr you misunderstood my sophomoric economic pessimism, revolution is coming comrade
yikes

[Anonymous No.14644349]

>>14644294
>follows a theory that is just rehashed marxism
>calls someone a marxist after they post something critical
Why are you so disconnected from reality? No need to answer as I can tell you why.
Accfags literally cannot fucking meme. The means of communication which allows people to keep up with 'acceleration' becomes available and accfags are completely incompetent.
Same as Moldbug's inability to recognise facial expressions. Curious that. If you're all catching up with reality, why the fuck does every single person connected to your cryptomarxist cult exhibit signs of autism?

[Anonymous No.14644359]

>>14643992
I try hard not to like Moldbug because citing a blogger sounds bad to my intellectual careerist friends but this guy has literally the most coherent politics presently

[Anonymous No.14644368]

>>14644359
the absolute state

[Anonymous No.14644375]

>>14644349
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T MAKE FUN OF ME FOR MY ECONOMIC DETERMINISM, I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WERE ECONOMIC DETERMINISTS! EVERYTHING I POST IS A MEME YOU JUST DON'T GET IT NOOOO YOU HAVE AUTISM UNLIKE ME AND MY FELLOW REDDITORS

[Anonymous No.14644399]

>>14644375
>immediately resorts to i know you are but what am i redditspeak

[Anonymous No.14644432]

>>14644375
>yes i am seething
You retards have no clue how hard you got btfo, yet you're exhibiting the emotions. Maybe you're not really autists, just larpers.

[Anonymous No.14644438]

>>14644399
how does it feel being utterly incapable of understanding an intellectual position? it must be something like finding yourself a foreigner in a land whose language you cannot speak. xenophobic, (literally, fear of the Outside) you imagine a slight in every salutation, a conspiracy in every conversation. surely their cryptic words hold daggers, and every attempt at elucidation is an evil Moorish trick to bring you into infidelity...

[Anonymous No.14644445]

>>14643625
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.14644449]

>>14644438
>rehashed pseud shit
>hard to understand
>>14635484

[Anonymous No.14644461]

>>14644438
Who are you talking to, anon? Or is this just another pathetic attempt at sliding?

[Anonymous No.14644489]

>>14644359
>coherent politics presently
His politics is literally Viva Las BioDome, and you think he's any different from the virologists?

[Anonymous No.14644515]

>>14644294
>economics
>not sophomoric
look at this dude

[Anonymous No.14644527]

>>14643992
>The winning doctrine is always sexy, true
yikes

[Anonymous No.14644583]

>>14644527
wouldn't be winning otherwise

[Anonymous No.14644630]

>>14644515
wow that's a round about inference
>(A = B) =/= (~A = B)

[Anonymous No.14644720]

>>14644375
No bait, just my real thoughts. My social and emotional intelligence is likely higher than yours, I work with many differnt people on a daily basis on my job. I do find many good people there & even more from the large group of stupid people, out of which a small portion makes no secret out of the fact that they would like to make you kill yourself.
My workplace is filled with grade A people only, but I guess I'm not the only one hearing abhorrent stories from relatives who participate in real life, stories from work or private life, where again the stupidity of the large part of humanity is presented to you.
I want these people to burn. Who can blame me for liking Nick Land?

[Anonymous No.14644726]

Amazing thread. Schizoposting wins again.

[Anonymous No.14644739]

>>14644489
kek

[Anonymous No.14644779]

>>14635504
you must be +18 to post here anon

[Anonymous No.14644786]

>>14644720
name one economist who is a top philosopher

[Anonymous No.14644822]

>>14644786
me

[Anonymous No.14644830]

>>14644822

[Anonymous No.14644841]

>>14644822
twitter isn't philosophy. go outside nick

[Anonymous No.14644860]

>>14637349
>First, this doesn't sum up Land's entire project
So, you going to explain that quote or not?

[Anonymous No.14644864]

>>14644786
Marx and Smith were the real deal

[Anonymous No.14644893]

>>14644864
lmao

[Anonymous No.14644933]

>>14644860
Not him but shouldn't the quote be obvious if it supposedly sums up Land's system? Does it sum up Land's system or go beyond it?

[Anonymous No.14644984]

>>14644786

[Anonymous No.14645002]

[Anonymous No.14645171]

>>14644933
It sums it up and goes beyond it. The law of being and time in the modern era is enframed by it. Land's philosophy would just be a minor subset, as the whole of Land's philosophy can be seen in the form of modern time, but the whole of modern time cannot be seen in Land's philosophy.
I don't think there's any reason for philosophy to be obvious, especially at a high, specialised level. Aiming for likes is the exact opposite of philosophy and truth.
Or perhaps you are confusing my point, although that is partly my fault since I posted without editing. It should state "is summed up in". The entire sentence probably needs a rework. I am not stating it as a positive summary but negative, as a relation of form. It is not meant to state what Land's philosophy is, but the form through which it participates, along with many similar theories.

[Anonymous No.14645358]

>>14643499
bitcoin has more basis in reality in the form of warehouses of electronics and the electricity to power them than your fiat money you KEK

[Anonymous No.14645398]

>>14644984
>>14645002
absolutely pathetic attempt at trolling, i don't think there's a negro alive who can even spell "accelerationism"

[Anonymous No.14645466]

>>14645358
Truth would be a better term to understand it, although I'm talking about economic reality to which there is no connection at all.
Nice job proving that you can't see beyond a single sentence, hyperbrainlet. You must have a great grasp of reality.
But feel free to prove how a currency no one uses is more real than the currency everyone uses.
>>14643499
>coming into being
>technically the same as the vast network of servers, yet they are a complete void of data and information.

[Anonymous No.14645483]

>>14635357
Anyone a TekWars subscriber? Post this when possible. Kantbot is a lardass, surely he doesn't need any more money.

[Anonymous No.14645499]

>>14645398
Imagine thinking this trash has any depth. It's the same idea used to manipulate 70 iq American boomers.

>Trump has access to the looking glass, sort of a time machine but not really a time machine.

>Think something like a warehouse with 100,000 HDD's containing every single recorded action of every single human being via the E ch E lon data harvesting network, now combine that with a warehouse with 100,000 high end GPU's funneling all their processing power into a single computer that can calculate every possible action/non-action using all the data from the HDD warehouse, with a predictability rate that's very accurate at 90-95%

>Now combine all that shit above with a high end oculus rift VR unit that's like a full-body suit on a 3-D treadmill and you basically have something like a time machine, but obviously you can't interact and change events, but you can basically observe future events to nearly perfect accuracy. Imagine the things you could do with that capability? Maybe become president and save humanity from annihilation i dunno...

[Anonymous No.14645524]

>>14644438
If you understand intellectual positions why do you side with twitter spammers rather than a real philosopher? Show us all what you know.

[Anonymous No.14645563]

Tranny discord spamming again.

[Anonymous No.14645567]

>>14645499
Was this in that land thread from the other day?

[Anonymous No.14645586]

>>14644294
you read moldbug

[Anonymous No.14645588]

>>14645466
>feel free to prove how a currency no one uses is more real than the currency everyone uses
>his definition of "reality" is synonymous with "accepted"
cringe and naivepilled

[Anonymous No.14645620]

>>14645588
>a materialist going against material reality
Nice cope.
Keep hodling i'm sure the state will roll over and die because a few thousand people buy illegal shit from unlisted websites.

[Anonymous No.14645622]

>>14645586
Not that guy, but whaddya mean.

[Anonymous No.14645660]

>>14645622
moldbug is shit

[Anonymous No.14645665]

>>14645620
how is epistemology by consensus remotely materialist? literally the opposite. if it turns out the bill in your pocket is a forgery, it isn't real money regardless of how many people will accept it.

[Anonymous No.14645667]

>>14645398
It's pretty funny.

[Anonymous No.14645692]

>>14645483
where to get it for free?

[Anonymous No.14645784]

>>14645665
Materialism includes effects, even immaterial ones. For example, the marxist philosophy in which history, which is not material, is determined by it. Land is simply arguing for a single effect.
It is complete detachment of the final cause from form, same as most other modern philosophies but taken to an extreme. There is complete separation from reality and power, hence why there can be no decisive action in the world. All that remains is appearances.
And is that your argument against fiat being real? That's really bad, anon. You shouldn't be criticising anyone.

[Anonymous No.14646045]

>>14645784
As a clarification. The entire idea of private interest is based on the idea that vices actually increase virtue. This is really just a perspective of effects resituating the cause. Or in other words, the birth of cope.
There's a funny Christian reference that can be made here...
Within this thinking Kant remains a consequentialist. The good moral outcome simply occurs in his head, completely separated from time and being.
Similarly, science, freedom of speech, stateless authority, evolution, etc. are all considered good things in themselves. The process is elevated into abstraction, where there is no difference between a good or bad outcome. Negation tends to intensify this process. The a priori is recreated through an endless series of effects, and the noumena is revealed through vast experimentation. This is the result of materialised final causes, virtues being found in the effects alone. The appearance of acceleration is simply due to the constant sacrifices required to maintain the false form. All actions are good because they prove the law; even doubt is an act of thought, until being becomes automatic.
In this sense, human exit would reveal all information and so perfect capital from its end point, whether a positive or negative outcome. Bataille does something similar, he rewrites a modern process as the determinant of history, the original man destined to fall. All things led up to this point, and so they must have the same cause. Accelerationism simply inverts this in time without changing anything essential: we have always been the Last Man. We must expend even that which we do not have in order to maintain the idea of capital. Sovietism through the lens of Austrian economics.

[Anonymous No.14646046]

>>14645784
>Land is simply arguing for a single effect.
single effect of what? you better not say capital or I'm going to tell you that you don't get it

[Anonymous No.14646052]

>>14645784
>argument against fiat being real
I argued counterfeit money isn't real, not fiat you massive retard

[Anonymous No.14646087]

>>14646045
>noumena is revealed
kek

[Anonymous No.14646249]

>>14635404
This is also a good example of the disconnect between form, reality, and theory. In his thinking China is completing the process, but in truth China was simply overwhelmed by the form which existed beyond and before it. The form can exist as a totality, which implies from the future, but material itself can never act from its nonexistent space. Capital must be understood as a type of economic force, but never the economic form itself - negating this law explains the divide between economy and financial markets, as well as the apparent necessity of maintaining capital as a belief.
De Tocqueville does a good job of explaining something similar with the French Revolution. All of the essential elements that were established as law through the revolution had already formed well before it, throughout the 18th century. The explosive moment was mostly due to reaction, the incapacity of the monarchy to deal with the forces that existed beyond it - much of which it had released itself. The revolution was simply material reality catching up with the form that had existed before it, completing the spirit of the age. A great house collapsing through erosion. This is completely opposite to feedback runaway or acceleration which resituates the house as the object. Material is merely a reflection of the form, and devastating effects indicate nothing more than the impossibility of escape; we can no longer flee.
The mills of heaven grind slowly but completely. The collapse of reality is only our being shocked by justice. And everything appears fast to those who become paralyzed. Countless houses are falling, but they are not the cause.

[Anonymous No.14646282]

>>14646052
Then I don't see your point. Call me an idiot all you want, it's meaningless when you can't even make a coherent argument.
You really don't understand that all modern economics is materialist? It is the denial of form and wealth as essence.
And according to modern economics your example of counterfeit money certainly is real. What matters is exchange and private interest, the contract itself. Currency is essentially counterfeit wealth, and bitcoin is simply a counterfeit of a counterfeit.
What have you read besides twitter and bitcoin news?

[Anonymous No.14646287]

>>14646087
Yes.

[Anonymous No.14646301]

>>14646046
Whatever. We've been through this multiple times.
Process. Capital. Intelligence. Deterritorialisation. Human exit. Twitter posts. Transcendental relativism. Cybernetic contrarianism.
Call it whatever you want, you'll just shift it to give the appearance of an argument anyway.
Answer the question I asked you. Explain the quote in my first post to prove that you're not an idiot.

[Anonymous No.14646419]

>>14646282
a materialist analysis of anything isn't based on consensus, it is based on the material realities. whether or not people "accept" things doesn't matter in the material analysis. if you try and spend a counterfeit bill at 100 stores, and they all accept it, the bill is still counterfeit. if you don't understand that idk how to help you
>>14646301
I'm not the anon you were arguing with but it seems like it's saying: "time is a necessary element to understand the "cosmic event", thus bringing it out of itself (those who brings it out still being part of the cosmic event). for real though, do you think Land thinks everything is capital? I knew that was a meme on here but I didn't think people actually bought it

[Anonymous No.14646762]

>>14646419
Your analogy is shit. That's the problem. I really don't think you have the ability to understand metaphors and analogies. Same as memes.
The secondary argument >>14645466 was based on currency as it is used in the real economy. This follows from your misunderstanding >>14645358 of my argument to begin with. Again, you don't get metaphorical statements, nor irony. You take things too literally, cannot read beyond a single line at a time, or in other words, can't see the forest for the trees. Here >>14646052 you even forget that you were using an analogy rather than making an argument. Viral autism. You better get that checked out.
But this is fun, so I'll continue.
Your comment that counterfeit money isn't essentially real is just an obvious banality, but you act like there is depth to this. And you don't get the problem that what is accepted becomes material reality, so it's all a big mess. Within materialist thought anything could potentially become money, and consensus is a significant factor considering that it proves material power, the dominant material ruling over material reality. What don't you get about this?

And again, the greater argument is that what is determined by material is part of materialist thought, what is produced is simply derivative.
Materialism cannot explain material reality as it ignores the essential. Your analogy is actually better as a description of essential/pre-materialist thought.
But please do explain how bitcoin is more real than fiat. How is a currency that is not even used the real currency when fiat is not? You seem to be attempting to conjure up an essential argument out of the inessential to prove bitcoin's value. But materially fiat reigns over the world while bitcoin is at best a speculative second-order fiat with no material reality. The only material it has is inessential, vast production of wasted energy as an attempt to create a limited supply out of what otherwise would be impossible. It is less real, more divided from the essential, than even fiat. It's as counterfeit as it gets.

[Anonymous No.14646771]

>>14646762
Money itself isn't essentially real, it is a transitional form representative of wealth - its representation becomes real. In the case of bitcoin this is inversed, or we might even say that it is postironic. It only becomes real through the destruction of wealth, and its only reality in use is as a secondary transitional form - the exchange of money for money or what is illegal. In this sense it is the perfect currency for the contemporary economy that has taken on elements of the black market. It functions in the same way as stamps in prisons. But this cannot continue, there is no point in producing a zero-use currency with an extremely destructive cost once speculation is eliminated. At that point the government will simply control the digital currency with no need of wasteful production of supply limits. (It is likely they already do control it, and all the production is simply to make it appear necessary. Limited supply creates demand in another sense. Melted led flows through the MONIAC and appears on the other side of the world, the China Syndrome theory of economy. Manipulated markets must have some crystallization effect. Infinite money printing must have an equal and opposing force.)
You claim to be an intellectual, so you should be able to argue against this and explain it much better than you have.

[Anonymous No.14646983]

>>14646419
>time is a necessary element to understand
No.
>those who brings it out still being part of the cosmic event
Again, no.
So you want to talk down to people but you haven't even read the best commentator on Kant? Get real.

As for capital, I doubt that even Land knows the essence of his philosophy. He was drugged out when he wrote it. It's essentially just relativism. The process is everything in one argument, intelligence or deterritorialisation in another (which are essentially just processes). And he clearly follows a line of thought in which capital was the determinant.
Essentially this is another confusion of cause and effect as I discussed above. Capitalism disintegrates society, but he then identifies with the process itself as if total disintegration of society would increase capital. Total exit would be the completion of this capital process, yet it would remain in the void, continuing its processes without humanity.

Really I just think it's nonsense, all of the problems of capital theory without any of the positives. It's the theory of theory, postironic critique. And you think it's the greatest thing ever, all while demonstrating a complete lack of intellect and an ignorance of any real philosophy. Which is why you continuously resort to cope and insults.
Perhaps you should try offering a counter. You have quite the ego for someone who follows a philosophy of complete resignation. What is the central idea of Land (since you will insist I am wrong no matter what)? And what is determinant if it is not capital, intelligence, and process? Also explain how these things are defined differently yet seem interchangeable, lacking essential qualities..
You insist that everyone follow Land's philosophy before discussing it, but that's not how things work. It's not reality just because you believe it.

[Anonymous No.14647001]

>>14646419
Also, why do you use a captal I?

[Anonymous No.14647144]

>>14646983
>So you want to talk down to people but you haven't even read the best commentator on Kant?
Carl Schmitt? if you say so
>As for capital, I doubt that even Land knows the essence of his philosophy.
oh, but you understand it? strange that all those philosophers seem to follow his line of thinking just fine. good to know I have finally found the one person who gets it.
>It's essentially just relativism. The process is everything in one argument
where does Nick Land say this? "the process" is a term people use about intelligence explosion that doesn't equate it to capital because there are plenty of acc theorists who don't think capitalism is the final step of this "process".
>intelligence or deterritorialisation in another
it's not intelligence, it is the production of intelligence, which is closely related to deterritorialization.
>And he clearly follows a line of thought in which capital was the determinant
the determinant of what? if you mean in the production of non-human intelligence, I would say yes. if you mean "everything" then you are a brainlet. have you not read Land? I don't make shitposts about Schmitt anon, take a lesson from me

[Anonymous No.14647151]

>>14647144
Huh?

[Anonymous No.14647176]

>>14647144
>all those philosophers seem to follow his line of thinking
kek what?

[Anonymous No.14647185]

>>14647176
Fisher, Negarestani, Harman, Brassier, Grant, Greenspan, ect.

[Anonymous No.14647188]

>>14647144
>>It's essentially just relativism. The process is everything in one argument
>where does Nick Land say this?
Fucking retard. Once again you confuse the argument. You act as if my ideas need to be determined through Land's philosophy. Pure autism.
What a shit post. You should be embarrassed, but I know that's impossible.

[Anonymous No.14647197]

>>14647188
>Nick Land is talking about relativism
>where does he say this?
>Fucking retard. Once again you confuse the argument. You act as if my ideas need to be determined through Land's philosophy. Pure autism. What a shit post. You should be embarrassed, but I know that's impossible.
C O P E

[Anonymous No.14647203]

>>14647185
Christ, anon. Is this a joke?

[Anonymous No.14647206]

>>14647188
so you don't have a single quote to point to which justifies your argument? surely there is something Land has written that supports your analysis of him.

[Anonymous No.14647217]

>>14638090
lol i saw that video too

[Anonymous No.14647223]

>>14647197
>It's essentially just relativism.
>Nick Land is talking about relativism
Every single time.

[Anonymous No.14647236]

>>14647206
>so you don't have a single quote to point to which justifies your argument? surely there is something Land has written that supports your analysis of him.

[Anonymous No.14647241]

>>14647206
>I want to touch upon this condition of modernity - which can be awkwardly described as patriarchal neocolonial capital accumulation , but which I shall come to name 'inhibited synthesis' - not as a historian or a political theorist, but as a philosopher. The philosophical task in relation to modernity is that of delineating and challenging the type of thinking which characterizes it.
Pure garbage.

[Anonymous No.14647252]

>>14647206
Post your understanding and a quote showing why he is superior to Marx, Smith, and some of the major philosophers. What makes Land superior to Nietzsche and Plato?

[Anonymous No.14647268]

>>14647144
>if you mean "everything" then you are a brainlet
But this is capital in Marx. Machines achieve evolution. How does Land break from this?

[Anonymous No.14647270]

>>14647241
you picked an essay which he wrote before the CCRU and accelerationism lol
>What makes Land superior to Nietzsche and Plato?
first, never said he was. second, what kind of retard reads philosophy based on which one he thinks is the most "superior"?

[Anonymous No.14647275]

>>14647268
He read Deleuze, the person who wrote entire books debunking dialectics

[Anonymous No.14647277]

>>14647268
Land is basically just describing the singularity, AI rapidly evolving to some unknown form that will almost certainly cause human extinction or irrelevance.

[Anonymous No.14647279]

>>14647270
also for you
>>14647252

[Anonymous No.14647285]

>>14647268
>>if you mean "everything" then you are a brainlet
>But this is capital in Marx
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[Anonymous No.14647293]

>>14647270
>give me a quote
>NO THAT ONE DOESN'T COUNT
Pure gay cancer.

[Anonymous No.14647295]

>>14647268
>A Negro is a Negro. Only under certain conditions does he become a slave. A cotton-spinning machine is a machine for spinning cotton. Only under certain conditions does it become capital. Torn away from these conditions, it is as little capital as gold is itself money, or sugar is the price of sugar.
hahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahah you, you haven't even hahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahhahahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahahh you based this whole misreading on a misreading of Marx ahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahhaha it's misreadings the whole way down hahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahaha

[Anonymous No.14647302]

>>14647293
honestly anon, look at this thread. why would you take ANY recommendations from here? Land is a Marxist in this essay though, it's a good essay, but he advocates for a feminine revolution which will overthrow capital

[Anonymous No.14647307]

>>14647277
So your autistic comrade here is wrong.

[Anonymous No.14647323]

>>14647307
I assume I am his autistic comrade; I totally agree with him. how did you get "capital is everyhing" from his answer? do you think technological singularity is synonymous with the word "everything"?

[Anonymous No.14647325]

>>14647307
Im not following this thread i just saw that post and it sounded like the anon thought Land was a normal Marxist. But when he talks about Capitalism it's literally a metaphysical sort of term for him, means something related to intelligence bootstrapping itself. He relates it to biological evolution and superintelligent AI.

I think it's honestly highly misleading of Land to use the term capitalism for that concept. It's more like capitalism(part of capitalism really not the whole thing) is an instance of this greater process of accelerating complexity/intelligence/power.

[Anonymous No.14647329]

>>14647302
>missing the point this hard
How do you manage it?
The point was that you autistic retards are the same ones recommending this essay all the time. Now that it is quoted it's not good enough.
Again, relativism and contrarianism seem to be the most important process.

[Anonymous No.14647337]

>>14647323
One of the major theories of Marx is that production of capital leads to self-replicating machines, a self-valorising evolutionary process. What is now called a singularity.
Do you really not see the connection here? Do you even know what work I'm talking about?

[Anonymous No.14647367]

>>14647329
again, why base ANY interpretation of ANY philosophy based on retards posting on 4chan? the futility of your approach should have been obvious to you when they started recommending an essay which even the book's introduction claims isn't accelerationist in order to understand his accelerationist period. It's too bad because you would probably benefit from a read of the Editor's Introduction to Fanged Noumena. that way you could get a good academic explanation which isn't written by Nick Land, the guy who apparently doesn't understand his own theory.

[Anonymous No.14647376]

>>14647325
No, I don't think Land is a normal marxist.
And basically some of my remarks here extend from a similar problem to what you suggest. There is a confusion of terms, even a crossover of concepts so that they are interchangeable. And in this they lose any essential qualities.
This is interesting given a similar tendency in people who follow the philosophy: a complete inability to differentiate forms, a confusion of simple terms.
Also interesting is that it's teleological, yet completely unclear as to the end and force behind this end. Hence the confusion of capital and AI.

[Anonymous No.14647396]

>>14647367
What the fuck are you talking about? What you just wrote has zero connection to what I just said.
I didn't ask for those suggestions, and the reason for posting that image wasn't a hyperstition determined by your understanding of the post.
You've lost too many brain cells.

[Anonymous No.14647398]

>>14647337
how does this mean capital is everything though? also read volume 3, you are misusing the term Verwertung

[Anonymous No.14647409]

>>14647367
You're literally on here all day every day. No doubt it was you suggesting that essay a lot of the time.

[Anonymous No.14647415]

>>14647396
>The point was that you autistic retards are the same ones recommending this essay all the time.
>don't listen to autistic retards, read books instead
>What you just wrote has zero connection to what I just said.
if you are still in high school, I can forgive this, but if you are graduated there might not be any hope for you

[Anonymous No.14647421]

>>14647398
>evades the question
>pretends to be an authority by using a german word

[Anonymous No.14647427]

>>14647409
anon if you are going to be that schizophrenic you might as well give up and be an accelerationist

[Anonymous No.14647433]

>>14647415
>admitting to being an autistic retard
>read the book
>not the most commonly recommended essay in his only book
Looks like accelerationism is really a cope singularity.

[Anonymous No.14647447]

>>14647398
>in marx capital valorisation causes machines to become self-replicating
>this is otherwise known as the singularity which is the final state of humanity, or its end potentially
The only difference here is what is determinant. In Marx it is capital, in Land it is the process itself. So what causes the inversion? Why does the process, what is produced by capital, become superior over capital?
This shouldn't be that difficult for an intellectual who has read all of the best philosophers.

[Anonymous No.14647451]

>>14647421
so you don't know what valorisation is, singularity, capital, keep going anon lets see how far this rabbit hole goes
>>14647433
Meltdown is BY FAR the most read essay in that book, Kant Capital and the Prohibition of Incest is his earliest work, and his early works are pretty standard academic essays

[Anonymous No.14647453]

>>14647427
Everyone knows there's only a few people here who spam this shit. You're all autistic, but you stand out like a sore thumb.

[Anonymous No.14647458]

>>14647447
>The only difference here is what is determinant. In Marx it is capital, in Land it is the process itself. So what causes the inversion?
Nick Land thinks "the process" is capitalism, I don't understand your question

[Anonymous No.14647468]

>>14647451
Not him, but I've posted about valorisation before and you acted like it had no connection whatsoever to Land's theory.
Nice cope, yet again.

[Anonymous No.14647492]

>>14647451
>read
>recommended
This is just sad now, anon. Is there a word for this complete inability to read?

[Anonymous No.14647494]

>>14647468
>you
Deleuze would never be in the same room as you
>>14647293
nigger just scroll down there's a whole thread on it

[Anonymous No.14647500]

>>14647458
Then what the fuck was all that autism about relativism and capital not being the determining factor? Are you trolling or are you really this retarded?

[Anonymous No.14647512]

>>14647500
okay, I'll lay it out for you again. Nick Land doesn't think capital isn't the determining force for "everything", capital is the determining force for the production of nonhuman intelligences (i.e. capitalism is "the process" which brings singularity into existence), hence why he calls it AI

[Anonymous No.14647530]

>>14647494
Nice cope. This once again has no connection to the argument.
And the outside is already discussed in that essay. Marx's definition of capital essentially functions in the same way, that's what valorisation is a process of. It's literally value in process, a process of exteriorisation.
Is it the drugs or do you have a double digit IQ?

[Anonymous No.14647545]

>>14647512
And...
It is a teleological philosophy in which nonhuman intelligence is the end.
Therefore capital is everything.
That was really difficult wasn't it. Fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.14647551]

>>14647512
Post the marx essay. Prove you've read him.

[Anonymous No.14647557]

>>14647545
what are you on about? if the end of the teleology of Christianity is the Kingdom of God, that doesn't mean everything is the Kingdom of God. are we adding teleology to the list of words you don't understand?

[Anonymous No.14647579]

>>14647557
Christianity isn't solely teleological.
You're a fucking brick wall. If there is only capital in the end, then everything is capital. It's literally just a single thing. Shouldn't be too hard to figure it out.

[Anonymous No.14647600]

>>14647415
This thread proves why people need to discuss things. Only reading books can lead to this autism and inability to express thoughts.

[Anonymous No.14647655]

>>14647579
>only communism in the end
>this means everything is communism
>this means feudalism is communism
anon just think about this like a materialist for 5 seconds. are there things which aren't capital? yes. therefore everything cannot be capital. QED. this idea that there is an endstate to accelerationism were every single atom in the universe is repurposed into capital, at that moment, then you would be right, but this idea is not really what Nick Land was talking about. you are speculating on an endstate which is basically haram in accelerationist thought

[Anonymous No.14647669]

>>14647655
Retard.
If humanity is eliminated and all that exists is capital/AI then what else is there but capital/AI? I won't even bother with the follow up because you can't even follow simple logic.

[Anonymous No.14647687]

>>14647655
Do you even see how pointless this line of thinking is?

[Anonymous No.14647689]

>>14647669
a rock isn't human, or capital, or AI. do you think every rock will disappear too? do you think all the dust in space will disappear? do you think Saturn will vanish into smoke? oh wait, no smoke in the future either because that's not human or capital or AI

[Anonymous No.14647707]

>>14647689
What relevance does a rock have to philosophy? Literally none. Stop being obtuse.
But even then some of you suggest that this AI will go on to capture the universe.
Was this >>14635575 you?

[Anonymous No.14647742]

>>14647707
>What relevance does a rock have to philosophy?
when it comes to questions of what "everything" is then yes they are very relevant as they are, in fact, a thing. and stop referencing anonymous on 4chan that dude is a retard

[Anonymous No.14647767]

>>14647742
In a philosophical sense, no they are not at all relevant.
Now post the Marx writing or KYS.

[Anonymous No.14647796]

[Anonymous No.14647815]

>>14647767
okay then anon, what about water? you can't deny its philosophical relevance, and yet it would remain when humans are extinct. this position that "everything is capital" is nonsensical, I agree it doesn't make any sense, which is why you can disprove it by pointing at a rock. the issue is somehow you think it's somehow an argument against accelerationism. the fuck are you on about "the Marx writing"?

[Anonymous No.14647862]

>>14647815
The Marx writing about self-replicating machines. I want you to prove that you know what one I'm talking about.
You're the one who keeps derailing the discussion with your autism. I am saying that he sees capital as determinant, which you denied for most of the thread. Saying capital is everything is a possibility, and alludes to other thinking. You take it too literally because you're autistic.
There's nothing more to it. You simply have no interest in having a discussion, which is clear in your point-form redit responses and complete refusal to stay on track. You have turned dragging others down to your level into an ideology.

[Anonymous No.14647879]

Why do you follow or adhere to accelerationism? Why not another philosophy?

[Anonymous No.14647900]

>>14647862
I'm assuming you are talking about the fragment on machines in the Grundrisse but I'm sure he's covered it elsewhere. I guess I have to say it again, capital is determinate, but only in the production of intelligence. I can't go over the same shit again man, it's not determinate over the formation of stars, or the mechanics of gravity, or the chemical properties of water. I have been arguing this same point all damn thread so idk what track you have been paying attention to. have a good night anon.

[Anonymous No.14647909]

>>14647900
KYS

[Anonymous No.14647950]

This is your brain on twitter.

[Anonymous No.14648172]

>>14635357
Someone hook me up with the latest tekwars episode