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Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:44:45 2011 No.1464841 [Reply] [Original]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIOL9DQBbjU

ITT: Iran discussion.
Iran before 1979: They're just white Mediterranean people who love the West
Iran after 1979: DEY TUK OUR OIL DEY IS DA EVIL

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:46:45 2011 No.1464844 Well wouldn't you be pissed if some people took one of the most valuable sources of your economy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:49:45 2011 No.1464856 >>1464844 Are you talking about the 1953 coup? Yes, that was the root cause of the Islamic revolution, but can we get over that already? Iran has so much potential... :( The IR is destroying Iranian culture :(

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:50:45 2011 No.1464860 File: 320 KB, 1152x1683, 1295243420936.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] loving the west != being good they stand up for their country and don't suck the cock of allies, that needs some balls

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:52:45 2011 No.1464871 are you implying they became non-white after 79 or something OP?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:54:45 2011 No.1464875 >>1464871 Yes, compare Mohammad Pahlavi's Mediterranean features to Ahmadinejad's scary, disgusting, ugly sub-human Semitic (non-Iranian) features. I want Iran to be white and western again... :'(

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:56:45 2011 No.1464881 iran is a depressing example of how theocracy can obliterate an entire culture

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:57:45 2011 No.1464886 >>1464875 iran was never "white" and "western" they were "persian" and "secular" if that's what you mean.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:57:45 2011 No.1464887 >>1464875 good logic faggot USA is a black nation then

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:58:45 2011 No.1464890 >>1464881 According to Christopher Hitchens, with the massive demographic shift going on in Iran, the Islamic Republic will change itself into something secular and progressive within a decade.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:00:45 2011 No.1464899 >>1464890 a decade? kind of hard to believe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:02:45 2011 No.1464908 >>1464890 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-uj2nYS8qs The old generation of pro-IR Iranians has already began to die off, Iran is a nation of people under 25.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:03:45 2011 No.1464912

>>1464890

yeah the whole point of the revolution in the late 70s was that they were trying to overthrow the shitty monarchy and (presumably) replace it with a democratic government. this was supposed to be a good thing, except when the monarchy finally did collapse the islamic fundamentalists stepped up in the power vacuum and took over.

hopefully history will correct itself eventually. the citizens (especially the students) REALLY hate the present govt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:05:45 2011 No.1464924 >>1464912 You should check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ogLrfyc5dU English guy went to Iran, claims that most people he met there said they were Atheists and hated their government.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:07:45 2011 No.1464927 >>1464899 obviously it won't happen, it will turn into a war-torn shithole in a few years, then the newly established democratic government will be overthrown by fundies again

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:08:45 2011 No.1464931

>>1464927

America wont invade/attack Iran.

They know Iran is a nation of young people that can easily be radicalized, that's why America and Israel have been doing a soft war (assassinations, coup attempts, sanctions).

Iran is a 6000 year old nation and it is the NATURAL hegemon of the Near-East.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:12:45 2011 No.1464950 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy3KDYE5KQE

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:14:45 2011 No.1464954 >>1464931 i know America won't

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:16:45 2011 No.1464960 >>1464954 Israel won't either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:32:45 2011 No.1464998 >>1464931 >Iran is ... the NATURAL hegemon of the Near-East I literally LOL'd. I rarely do, but this time I did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:38:45 2011 No.1465015 >>1464998 It's true though...

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:49:45 2011 No.1465049

>>1465046
>The other lie you hear about the Shah is that he was "corrupt." He skimmed from the petrodollars coming in, sure-but compared to any other Middle Eastern ruler, the Shah was squeaky-clean. He actually put Iran's oil revenues to work changing the country, building roads, irrigation projects, and setting up an educational system (the first in the country's history).
>But nobody felt grateful. The intelligentsia was full of fashionable commies; they wanted chaos. The successful entrepreneur types mostly emigrated before they could contribute to building a solid middle class, taking their free educations with them. And the Shi'ite mullahs were furious that they were losing power as people got more middle-class and more interested in progress. When the Shah decided to stop paying off the Mullahs, they called in their Frankenstein: Ayatollah Khomeini.
>Khomeini-if you're old enough to remember 1979, you won't forget his face. He looked like a 200-year-old Dracula in black robes. The faces said it all: the Shah, with his expensive suits :or the man in black.
>They went with Khomeini.

http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7847&IBLOCK_ID=35

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:49:45 2011 No.1465046

Quoting Gary Brecher ("The War Nerd") because he's one of the few people whose opinion I respect:

>In 1978 Iran was the most powerful country in the Middle East, rapidly modernizing under the Shah, Reza Pahlevi. You hear a lot of nonsense about his "repressive" policies, but the truth is way simpler: the Shah's problem is that he actually WAS trying to make Iran a modern, powerful country. In 1963 the Shah started his "White Revolution," a typical Kennedy-style reform plan, kind of out-commie-ing the commies.
>He was trying to do for Iran exactly what Ataturk did for Turkey in the 1920s. But he had two problems: his "dynasty" was new and unpopular-set up by his cavalry-officer dad's coup in 1921-and he was dealing with Shia Islam, which is way crazier and more self-destructive than Sunni. The Shia have a bigger martyr complex than Cindy Sheehan, and they're always willing to do whatever it takes to mess themselves up. So Iran basically looked at the Shah's reforms and said nope, it's too good, we'd rather go back to the Middle Ages.
>Of course, that's not the official story. The Leftist academics will tell you the Iranians overthrew the Shah in revenge for persecution from his "feared and hated SAVAK secret police." The truth is, SAVAK was a small (15,000 men), defensive CI service. Unless you were actively involved in Islamist or Communist conspiracies, it would pretty much leave you alone, which was a lot more than you can say for the cops/spies of any other regime in the 4,000 years of Persian/Iranian history, including the creeps running the country now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:51:45 2011 No.1465055 >>1465049 >>1465049 Hell yes, love Gary Becher, love the Exile

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:06:45 2011 No.1465091 >>1465046 >>1465049 no i won't bother to explain, go talk to an iranian instead. any iranian.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:08:45 2011 No.1465100 >>1465046 >>1465049 Iranian here, thank you very much for posting this! <3

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:10:45 2011 No.1465102 >>1465091 >>1465100 lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:14:45 2011 No.1465106 >>1465049 >they wanted chaos. whelp, this is officially bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:16:45 2011 No.1465111 >>1465106 he's talking specifically about communist intellectuals there and they probably would have been pretty opposed to a western american-supported regime tho? i mean it's not that insane for him to say

>>	not OP Mon Jan 17 17:18:45 2011 No.1465113 >>1465111 It's not "insane", but it shows how unashamedly biased he is. Makes it even harder to take his cock sucking of the Shah seriously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:18:45 2011 No.1465114 >>1465046 Does CI mean Civilian Intelligence?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:20:45 2011 No.1465117 >>1465113 well, yeah, it's anti-communist, but that doesn't make him WRONG. if you read his stuff he's hardly a US backer. >>1465114 counter-intelligence

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:23:45 2011 No.1465121 Iran =/= Mediterranean Also, Iranian =/= Arab

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:54:45 2011 No.1465212 >>1465121 Iranians are actually Proto-Slavs. Slavs are the best people in Europe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:56:45 2011 No.1465219 Does this meme have a name?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:09:45 2011 No.1465254 >>1465212 >Slavs are the best people in Europe. I'm a Slav, and I don't share your opinion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:13:45 2011 No.1465262 >>1465254 I'm a Slav, and I do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:14:45 2011 No.1465266 wat

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:28:45 2011 No.1465310 >inb4 thousands of posts calling Slavs subhuman

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:34:45 2011 No.1465487 >>1465310 moar liek in during noone gives a shit

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