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>I find it discouraging and a bit depressing when I notice the unequal treatment afforded by the media to UFO believers on the one hand, and on the other, to those who believe in an invisible supreme being who inhabits the sky. Especially as the latter belief applies to the whole JesusMessiah-Son-of-God fable. You may have noticed that, in the media, UFO believers are usually referred to as buffs, a term used to diminish and marginalize them by relegating them to the ranks of hobbyists and mere enthusiasts. They are made to seem like kooks and quaint dingbats who have the nerve to believe that, in an observable universe of trillions upon trillions of stars, and most likely many hundreds of billions of potentially inhabitable planets, some of those planets may have produced life-forms capable of doing things that we can’t do. On the other hand those who believe in an eternal, all-powerful being, a being who demands to be loved and adored unconditionally and who punishes and rewards according to his whims are thought to be worthy, upright, credible people. This, in spite of the large numbers of believers who are clearly close-minded fanatics.

>> No.14773715

>>14773714
>To my way of thinking, there is every bit as much evidence for the existence of UFOs as there is for the existence of God. Probably far more. At least in the case of UFOs there have been countless taped and filmedand, by the way, unexplained sightings from all over the world, along with documented radar evidence seen by experienced military and civilian radar operators. This does not even begin to include the widespread testimony of not only highly trained, experienced military and civilian pilots who are selected for their jobs, in part, for their above average eyesight and mental stability, but also of equally well- trained, experienced law enforcement officers. Such pilots and law-enforcement people are known to be serious, sober individuals who would have quite a bit to lose were they to be associated with anything resembling kooky, outlandish beliefs. Nonetheless, they have taken the risk of revealing their experiences because they are convinced they have seen something objectively real that they consider important. All of these accounts are ignored by the media. Granted, the world of UFObelief has its share of kooks, nuts and fringe people, but have you ever listened to some of these religious true-believers? Have you ever heard of any extreme, bizarre behavior and outlandish claims associated with religious zealots? Could any of them be considered kooks, nuts or dingbats? A fair person would have to say yes. But the marginal people in these two groups don’t matter in this argument. What matters is the prejudice and superstition built into the media coverage of the two sets of beliefs. One is treated reverently and accepted as received truth, the other is treated laughingly and dismissed out of hand. As evidence of the above premise, I offer one version of a typical television news story heard each year on the final Friday of Lent: “Today is Good Friday, observed by Christians worldwide as a day that commemorates the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, whose death redeemed the sins of mankind.” Here is the way it should be written: “Today is Good Friday, observed worldwide by Jesus buffs as the day on which the popular, bearded cultural figure, sometimes referred to as The Messiah, was allegedly crucified and according to legend died for mankind’s so-called sins. Today kicks off a ‘holy’ weekend that culminates on Easter Sunday, when, it is widely believed, this dead ’savior who also, by the way, claimed to be the son of a sky-dwelling, invisible being known as God Mysteriously ‘rose from the dead.’ “According to the legend, by volunteering to be killed and actually going through with it, Jesus saved every person who has ever lived and every person who ever will live from an eternity of suffering in a fiery region popularly known as hell, providing so the story goes that the person to be ’saved’ firmly believes this rather fanciful tale.”

>> No.14773717

>>14773715
>That would be an example of unbiased news reporting. Don’t wait around for it to happen. The aliens will land first.

>> No.14773720

I read "Brain droppings" and it was bad. Written stand-up comedy doesn't work.

>> No.14773736

>>14773720
Gotta read the audio books by him

>> No.14773945

>ask a christian why he believes in God when there's no evidence
>he says using empirical evidence is pointless when trying to understand god and all you really need is faith
>ask him if that's the case then why believe in the christian god
>it's easy dude just look at all the evidence in the bible
Even if logic presupposes god there's really no good argument as to why you should believe in the existance in one perticular man made god. So why do christcucks try so hard?

>> No.14774171

>>14773714
>>14773715
Funny how the treatment and presentation of those two groups has basically seen a polar reversal in recent years.

>> No.14774205

>>14773945
>use material evidence to prove an immaterial being

>> No.14774218

>>14773945
The things which "don't exist" in a scientific, objective sense, like love, art, beauty, morality, meaning etc., actually have the most weight to human existence, unless you suffer from crippling autism.

>> No.14774234

>>14773715
A very uncharitable presentation of the opposition. This man doesn't care about truth, only his own pride.

>> No.14774295

when was the last time you experienced the number \pi^{e}?
when was the last time you experienced the tautology (AvB)->(AvB)?
when was the last time you experienced a black hole?
when was the last time you experienced an W boson?
when was the last time you experienced np+e^−+\overbar{v}_e ?
when was the last time you experienced the gene C14orf4?
when was the last time you experienced a dinosaur?
when was the last time you experienced the planet mars?
when was the last time you experienced a non-flat earth?

>> No.14774314

>>14774205
>>14774218
i would have expected people /lit to actually be able to read

>> No.14775238

>>14773714
"George Carlin was a lapsed Catholic who took up the banner of cultural subversion after Lenny Bruce died of a drug overdose. Carlin got laughs by applying the Jewish penchant for blasphemy, or ridicule of things sacred, to his Catholic upbringing and by extension the Catholic Church at large. This fit in nicely with the Jewish attack on the Catholic-inspired production code, the overturning of obscenity laws, and the mainstreaming of pornography, which was taking place at the same period of time."
Well, that explains it!

>> No.14775252

>>14774218
Those are called emergent phenomena and can be studied empirically. No religion considers God to be an emergent phenomenon of the human mind.

>> No.14775260

>>14773714
>Condemns closed-minded fanatics while himself being a closed-minded fanatic.

No surprises that he actually finds the retarded claims of UFOs credible simply because their is a veneer of empirical credibility to it. He can't think outside of the tiny box he's locked himself into.

>> No.14775271

>>14775260
>>14775238
>nonbelievers are unhinged fanatics!
Is what Catholics, Mormons and Muslims all say about apostates and anyone who challenges their beliefs. Get new material.

>> No.14775282

>>14775271
I bet you spoke to every single Catholic, Muslim and Mormon to make such statement.

>> No.14775302
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14775302

>>14775282
>noooo stop noticing trends!

>> No.14775309

>>14775271
He didn't challenge anyones beliefs, all he did was presume his own dogmatic commitments to empiricism are true and then just rail against another worldview that obviously doesnt make sense from that position, missing the point entirely.

>> No.14775330

>>14775309
>apostates AND people who...

Please anon. Please read. George Carlin is not making real arguments. He was not even that good of a comedian. However, the smearing him by associating him with anti Semitic nonsense is textbook trad-cath.

>> No.14775338

>>14775330
I don't understand what you're trying to say, not a catholic either.

>> No.14775582

>>14775252
>emergent phenomena and can be studied empirically

Emergent from what? And how can you study them?

>> No.14775591

>>14773714
why do all stand up comedians ascribe to the same banal secular humanism and preach it like gospel?

>> No.14775638

>>14775591
because comedians are the functional equivalent of preachers to atheists.

>> No.14775783

>>14773714
I liked George. He was a genetic realist too, believing that the majority of one's intelligence and personality was genetic. He had a forward way of looking at all things, a breed of liberal you don't see often anymore.

>> No.14775980

>>14775783
liberals do believe that for the most part, except they believe genetics is egalitarian and that human diversity is simply uniform, he would never have admitted the racial implications.

>> No.14776288

>>14775582
Emergent from the human brain/body and the circumstances in which it evolved and finds itself in. Brain activity can be monitored, mapped, and evaluated in context.

>> No.14776438

>>14773714
Joe Pesci is the only god worth praying to.

>> No.14776714

>>14775638
So Atheism is a joke?

>> No.14776775

>>14776288
But brain activity is not reductive enough. There is no explanation for why a neuron activating should result in qualia. Indirect realism is the currently accepted position, which isn't the same as proof of God, but it should undermine most arguments against God, since there are gaps in our knowledge of reality science and even logic cannot fill. When I was atheist, it was because I believed science would eventually answer everything, but that isn't the case.

>> No.14776791

>>14775980
>liberals do believe that for the most part, except they believe genetics is egalitarian and that human diversity is simply uniform
Which means they don't really believe it. George distinctly thought that people weren't equal in terms of intelligence, not even among members of the same race; he actually did believe it.

>> No.14776809

>>14773714
Carlin is based and anyone that disagrees is retarded.

>> No.14776838

>>14776775
So we know some things which appear to be clues to understanding other things. This is a reason to continue investigating, not to default to the stories people made up to explain even greater gaps in their own knowledge.

>> No.14777012

>>14776838
The thing about those stories is that they're terrifyingly insightful. Dostoyevsky held up the three temptations of the Devil as something that could only have been the product of a divine, eternal mind, for example. Then the Indian concept of an all-pervading consciousness, it doesn't actually explain any gaps, any natural phenomenon. It's like the stories came from contact with a real being.

>> No.14777043

>>14776809
>reddit incarnate
>based
You know where you need to go.

>> No.14777070

>>14773714
>>14773715
This guy has never heard of the Jinn?
I've seen a ufo, ama.

>> No.14777078

>>14773714
>invisible supreme being who inhabits the sky.
>lives in the sky
Stopped reading. A good nu-atheist is a dead nu-atheist.

S

>> No.14777086

>>14776791
So George really thought that black people were on average less intelligent than white people? If that was true he would have been cancelled.

>> No.14777255

>>14777086
He wasn't a retard and no doubt knew how to keep certain things to himself. But we do know he thought intelligence and aspects of personality were genetic, and we do know he was fairly individualistic.