/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14788529]

Anyone else read this? What did you think of it? Be honest.

[Anonymous No.14788603]

>>14788529
I think it could have been more concise, considering his target demographic don't exactly have the longest attention spans.

[Anonymous No.14788608]

>>14788603
Don't kid yourself, Moldbug's target demographic is everyone who already agrees with him, even when he pretends to address the "other side"

[Anonymous No.14788634]

>>14788603
>his target demographic
How many open-minded progressives are there?

[Anonymous No.14788674]

>>14788529
>Imagine that we have a desert island with six groups divided by their mutant powers...
>But I digress
>This was explained by Lord John Patrick Eleutherius Moonhagen, Second Baron of Lancashire, in 1628, a freer time than ours. And no. Slavery is not incompatible with freedom.
>But I digress
>You might think that the kids at /pol/ who want a white ethnostate said in one paragraph what I just said in this long rant, but you're wrong. And no. I won't explain. You have to figure it out.
>But I digress

[Anonymous No.14788705]

>>14788634
Remember that news story recently about a woman who was formerly a democrat but went to a Trump rally?

[Anonymous No.14788770]

>>14788529
This guy is pure cringe.

[Anonymous No.14789101]

>>14788529
It's good, as is everything else he wrote. When people criticize him they either misunderstand him or are attacking him for something that is beyond the scope of what he's trying to do or is just vacuous subjectivity ("his style is bad he's cringe!!!" etc)

[Anonymous No.14789128]

>>14788608
What would have to change before you would no longer think of him in this way?

[Anonymous No.14789140]

>>14788674
Richard Dawkins: I am a cultural Christian.
Mencius Moldbug: I have written a long essay that proves Richard Dawkins is actually a cultural Christian.

[Anonymous No.14789180]

>>14788529
Moldbug is single-handedly shaping a new right. The only other strains gaining traction are too esoteric (like the Evolian Trads) and elitist to be politically significant forces.

[Anonymous No.14789396]

>>14789180
If you're just engaged in the same exact system are you really a politically significant force?

[Anonymous No.14789444]

>>14789180
Based

AWOO my fellow based brother.

[Anonymous No.14789568]

>>14789101
>When people criticize him they either misunderstand him or are attacking him for something that is beyond the scope of what he's trying

>Don't you dare criticize him! He can't be wrong!

[Anonymous No.14789575]

>>14788529
I recommend it. His style isn't for everyone and but it is a good long essay that challenges many accepted truths. Curtis was on a google building security blacklist and it is good to read someone who ruffles feathers like that. Also, as someone else has mentioned, this death-eater stuff has already had a lot of influence on the right.

I'm sure you know this, but all the stuff from unqualified reservations is here: https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/

[Anonymous No.14789589]

>>14789180
>The only other strains gaining traction are too esoteric (like the Evolian Trads) and elitist to be politically significant forces.
I don't see how you can have one without the other. If you follow NRx to its natural conclusion you end up with something quite archeofuturist. Moldbug is providing the praxis for all the other new right tendencies to be unleashed.

[Anonymous No.14789670]

Incredibly based and clear-gold-pilled.

[Anonymous No.14789833]

>>14788608
his target demo was progressives with libertarian tendencies who were starting to question the whole progressivism thing

[Anonymous No.14789911]

the big lie of "human equality" is 800lb gorilla in the room for modern democratic societies.

if the theory of evolution is correct, then how can human beings all be born with the same capabilities? does it not stand to reason that people can differ in terms of, say, cognitive ability? time management? gratification delay? can anyone answer this in a non-meme manner?

[Anonymous No.14789928]

>>14789911
Does anyone even discuss equality in such a rigid sense?
I'm no liberal, but I don't think the contemporary right even has a clue what they're arguing against.

[Anonymous No.14789939]

>>14789911
>if the theory of evolution is correct, then how can human beings all be born with the same capabilities? does it not stand to reason that people can differ in terms of, say, cognitive ability? time management? gratification delay? can anyone answer this in a non-meme manner?
That sounds like something a Nazi would say. Are you sure you really mean that, bigot? Think carefully, I've got HR on speed dial.

[Anonymous No.14789950]

>>14789928
they don't really discuss it at all. they'll usually end up saying that it's impossible to measure intelligence in any way, and that if any average differences exist between populations they are too small to matter. The latter is of course impossible to know unless you can in fact measure intelligence

[Anonymous No.14789965]

>>14789928
>Does anyone even discuss equality in such a rigid sense?

Such a claim is the entire basis of the modern, post-state, multicultural West. We are told all people are inherently similar blank slates, ready to be made into secular Western voters, so it is "racist" to raise questions about immigration, crime or student academic performance.

[Anonymous No.14790001]

>>14789950
>>14789965
>entire basis
It isn't though, because white men aren't considered equal. This is just one problem in a very minor aspect of society.
But if we follow this line of thought, perhaps we should look at what they do rather than what they say. Positions similar to moldbug continue to hold a rationalist perspective to try to understand something clearly irrational. It doesn't work. You can't conduct scientific experiments with falsified data.

[Anonymous No.14790177]

ITT

[Anonymous No.14790209]

>>14790177

[Anonymous No.14790220]

>Now Patchwork, THAT'S a economic-governmental system.

[Anonymous No.14790226]

>>14790209
So Moldbug is actually the left AND the right at the same time. Maybe we underestimated him.

[Anonymous No.14790367]

>>14789911
>the big lie of "human equality"
It's not a lie at all. We are indeed all equal in dignity and we should all get our unalienable rights respected. The modern state is the political organization that ensures that respect.

That has nothing to do with equality of talents or virtues. Nor with equality of outcome.

[Anonymous No.14790370]

People often talk about how literature helps people to open their minds and hearts up to the world, to think new and important thoughts. Some even argue that reading makes people more moral. But I have found, in my case, it has made me more evil.

[Anonymous No.14790528]

>>14789911
extremely low IQ post

[Anonymous No.14790541]

>>14789911
>giving priority to managerialist values
peak bugman

[Anonymous No.14790750]

>>14790367
>we're all equal in this abstract concept that's completely detached from reality

[Anonymous No.14790751]

>>14789911
Nice equivocation fallacy retard

[Anonymous No.14790755]

>>14790750
That's classical liberalism for you. Also gave us schooling.

[Anonymous No.14790758]

>>14790751
Go on and use that term as it applies to humans without commiting the very same fallacy.

[Anonymous No.14790762]

>>14790758
Is your brain good?

[Anonymous No.14790766]

>>14790755
Makes sense. Without schooling, who would believe in retarded bullshit like that?

[Anonymous No.14790772]

>>14790762
Are you going to do it or not?

[Anonymous No.14790784]

>>14790772
I have no idea what you're trying to ask, which is why I am checking to see if your brain is ok.

[Anonymous No.14790786]

>>14790784
Ok, thanks for playing, retard.

[Anonymous No.14790792]

>>14790786
Go on and apply that to humans first then see what happens.

[Anonymous No.14790819]

>>14789101
it's bad, as is everything else he wrote. when people lionize him they either misunderstand him or are complimenting him for something that is beyond the scope of what he's trying to do or is just vacuous subjectivity ("his style is good he's based!!!" etc)

[Anonymous No.14790843]

I saw him give a talk at LambdaConf a few years ago, and I was blown away by what a poor speaker he is. He had a pretty big window, like two hours, and he still managed to make his talk feel rushed. And he spent so much time talking about optimizing subtraction in untyped lambda calculus and so little time talking about what Urbit actually is, that I actually managed to take nothing at all away from the talk.

[Anonymous No.14790850]

>>14788674
Someone needs to get him in a room with Nick Land. Imagine all the digressions he could make in the face of pure accelerationist schizo-posting madness.

[Anonymous No.14790897]

>>14790850
Doubt it. Moldbug hates larpers and Land at this point is one of the biggest larpers out there.

[Anonymous No.14790952]

>>14790897
>Moldbug hates larpers
He talked to Kantbot didn't he?

[Anonymous No.14790968]

>>14789911
Not just equality, I think the whole concept of one "human" race is questionable. There is nothing fundamentally similar about a white man from manhattan and a negroid in nigeria. These are different creatures entirely.

[Anonymous No.14790985]

>>14790968
>I think the whole concept of one "human" race is questionable
There are really two definitions of the word human. When we speak of humans scientifically, we are speaking of a species which, like any other species, could be subdivided into as many subspecies are required to account for obvious differences. When we speak of humanity in philosophy, we are really referring to a kind of subjectivity and the moral weight that goes along with that. If we met alien intelligence from another planet, they would be just as human as us in this regard, while belonging to a non-human species.
When people talk about the human race as a political construct, they are really conflating these two definitions to put you in a double bind. If, on the one hand, you accept that there is a unified human race you have conceded an empirical falsehood. If, on the other hand, you claim that there is no human race you will be taken to mean that you do not believe in equal moral weight for different groups of people. There is no winning this word game, the only smart move is not to play. Never get into a discussion about humanity unless the term has been clearly defined in advance.

[Anonymous No.14790987]

>>14788529
He's really good at rhetorically teaching the reader his intellectual mechanisms under the premise of being "open minded". Alongside his strong rhetoric hes still capable more of a theoretical analysis than I'd expect from a political commentator of his kind. His prose or whatever you'd call it is absolute suffering to read though.

[Anonymous No.14791022]

>>14790985
I'm not interested in scientific definitions of a species except for things which pertain to scientific understanding, so medicine. We can say negroids and whites have basically the same anatomy but this doesn't carry over to any sort of political, cultural, or philosophical aspects.
The assumption that everyone shares this same subjectivity, or that subjectivity is something that can be meaningfully universalized is highly problematic. You can't even transfer it wholesale between different cultures on this planet, how can you make any assumptions about alien life? Idiotic.
This kernel of subjectivity is a leftover from Enlightenment idealism, the only way to save is to remove all substantial content from it and just let it be a pure destructive energy that transcends consciousness, personality, etc.. But this is not enough to demand the kind of political and ethical recognition that people want to universalize.

I don't believe in equal moral weight for people and I don't care about winning the word game. The only good thing about this place is anonymity so I can express my true thoughts without pretense.

[Anonymous No.14791040]

>>14790750
Human dignity isn't an "abstract concept" it's directly how we think of and treat each other.

[Anonymous No.14791124]

>>14791040
Can you define 'dignity' for me?

[Anonymous No.14791327]

>>14791040
>We treat each other equally when we aren't so this magically makes us equal.

[Anonymous No.14792147]

>>14790226
He literally didn't have to name his ideology Right-Wing - it might have made even more of an impact if he did that. Not like it's necessary I guess, because he single-handedly made more progress happen than all of nu-/pol/ combined.

[Anonymous No.14792173]

>>14790209
I'd just like to point out that are no sources for this claim, and that John Francis Brays wikipedia entry does not list him as in any way involved with john francis bray neocameralism. Searching john francis bray neocameralism finds several people referencing this tweet, but no proof.

[Anonymous No.14792181]

>>14791124

[Anonymous No.14792184]

>>14792173
*any way involved with neocameralism

[Anonymous No.14792226]

>>14790367
Massively blue pilled. Dignity is a spook.

[Anonymous No.14792234]

>>14788529
Yes, it's very good. The cathedral is a useful concept for understanding politics. Not sure why he gets so much hate on this board, but it seems like most people just haven't read his work.

[Anonymous No.14792340]

>>14792234
They clearly haven't as well, just look at >>14789670 who thinks Moldbug is an Ancap. Same thing happened in another thread a few days ago. Pure NPC logic.

[Anonymous No.14792511]

>>14791022
>I'm not interested in scientific definitions of a species except for things which pertain to scientific understanding, so medicine.
Scientific understanding of subspecies is important for a lot more than medicine. The immigration policies of most western nations, for example, are based on scientific falsehoods.
>The assumption that everyone shares this same subjectivity, or that subjectivity is something that can be meaningfully universalized is highly problematic. You can't even transfer it wholesale between different cultures on this planet, how can you make any assumptions about alien life? Idiotic.
Universalizing is not the same as categorizing. Denying that there is a human subjectivity that is different to, for example, animal subjectivity is just as idiotic as claiming that everyone shares the same subjectivity. If you interacted with an alien species, you would implicitly put them into one category or another.

[Anonymous No.14792521]

>>14789568
Maybe make a good criticism that isn't vacuous then.

[Anonymous No.14792991]

>>14792234
>but it seems like most people just haven't read his work.
There's something called "disagreement", you know.

[Anonymous No.14793000]

curtis is a shit tier windbag

[Anonymous No.14793008]

>>14790528
>>14790541
cope
non whites in guessing

[Anonymous No.14793012]

>>14790367
now this is a "cope" post

[Anonymous No.14793028]

>>14790751
Not an arguement. Answer the question.

[Anonymous No.14793176]

>>14790367
>We are indeed all equal in dignity and we should all get our unalienable rights respected.
Who is going to determine what our rights and dignities should be? How will we know this person or group of people are not biased?
>inb4 "democracy"L
iberal democracies have completely failed to resolve conflicts between groups of people with different ideas of what is right and dignified for them.

[Anonymous No.14793186]

>>14793176
*Liberal democracies

[Anonymous No.14793241]

>>14790226
Moldberg is actually an archon trickster controlling every political faction, psy-opping everyone into delirium. He obviously isn't completely human, look into his past and he was brought up by the archon worshipping elites, and "got" a PhD by the time he was 19 years old? Then suddenly he's super rich, retired and an influential political theorist?

[Anonymous No.14793487]

>>14793241
Wouldn't surprise me at this point. What do you think the endgame is for Urbit?

[Anonymous No.14793842]

>>14793487
Not him, but Urbit will save us all. Less than 2 years until release. I'm gonna buy up 100 or so IDs soon, maybe more if I wanna resell.

[Anonymous No.14794044]

>>14789180
None of this shit is politically significant. Same with the left's equivalent "movements" and so on. It's all a pathetic LARP-cope, like every other niche interest.

[Anonymous No.14794062]

>>14790897
>moldbugleathjacket.jpg
he's a huge larper himself

[Anonymous No.14794098]

>>14794062
He wore that jacket functionally. How many fucking times are we gonna have to go over this?

[Anonymous No.14794122]

>>14794098
>"Motorcycling" jacket.
>Polished dress shoes
Totally functional and non-pretentious.

[Anonymous No.14794137]

>>14792340
Name one difference.
>Let’s start with my ideal world – the world of thousands, preferably even tens of thousands, of neocameralist city-states and ministates, or neostates. The organizations which own and operate these neostates are for-profit sovereign corporations, or sovcorps. For the moment, let’s assume a one-to-one mapping between sovcorp and neostate. […] Let’s pin down the neocameralist dramatis personae by identifying the people who work for a sovcorp as its agents, the people or organizations which collectively own it as its subscribers, and the people who live in its neostate as its residents.

>A Neocameral ‘neostate’ is not owned by its residents or its agents. Its ‘monarch’ (or ‘CEO’) is an executive appointment. (90% of all confusion about Neocameralism, and Neoreaction in general, stems from a failure to grasp this elementary point.) Note: ‘subscribers’ (plural). More coming on this immediately.

>Every patch of land on the planet has a primary owner, which is its sovcorp. Typically, these owners will be large, impersonal corporations. We call them sovcorps because they’re sovereign. You are sovereign if you have the power to render any plausible attack on your primary property, by any other sovereign power, unprofitable. In other words, you maintain general deterrence. […] (Sovereignty is a flat, peer-to-peer relationship by definition. The concept of hierarchical sovereignty is a contradiction in terms. …) […] The business of a sovcorp is to make money by deterring aggression. Since human aggression is a serious problem, preventing it should be a good business. Moreover, the existence of unprofitable governments in your vicinity is serious cause for concern, because unprofitable governments tend to have strange decision structures and do weird, dangerous things. […] (Nuclear deterrence (mutual assured destruction) is only one small class of deterrent designs. To deter is to render predictably unprofitable. Predictably unprofitable violence is irrational. Irrational violence is certainly not unheard of. But it is much, much rarer than you may think. Most of the violence in the world today is quite rational, IMHO.) […] General deterrence is a complex topic which deserves its own post. For the moment, assume that every square inch of the planet’s surface is formally owned by some sovcorp, that no one disagrees on the borders, and that deterrence between sovcorps is absolute.

[Anonymous No.14794186]

>>14794122
Well, my point is, he owns it because he was learning to ride a motorcycle. I don't know why he's dressed the way he's dressed in those photos

[Anonymous No.14794188]

>>14788529

eh, read it as an 18 year old marxist and wasn't impressed. was redpilled a year later by carl schmitt, so take that as you will

[Anonymous No.14794201]

>>14794137
Scale

[Anonymous No.14794395]

>>14794186
>I don't know why he's dressed the way he's dressed in those photos
He just happened to pick up the first jacket he saw in a way that was completely unplanned and non-gay.

[Anonymous No.14794440]

>>14794395
kek

Fuck you

[Anonymous No.14794571]

>>14794098
>>14794186
>>14794440
If you're going to post here Curtis, you could at least do an AMA for your fans.

[Anonymous No.14794730]

>>14792173
hello faggot

[Anonymous No.14794735]

>>14794571

[Anonymous No.14794923]

>>14794440
>>14794735
I know it's you, but you need an up to date photo.

[Anonymous No.14794940]

>Patchwork? We're on it.

[Anonymous No.14796217]

>>14794940
What the fuck is this photo

[Anonymous No.14796269]

>>14796217
Future CEOmonarchs in training.

[Anonymous No.14796278]

It's a trap.

[Anonymous No.14796317]

>>14788634
how many open-minded cons, libs, commies, nazis, and in general, authoritarian and dogmatic people exist?
left and right follow the same idiotic heart, and the same stupid brain.

[Anonymous No.14796483]

>>14796269
Honestly they look pretty decent.

[Anonymous No.14796634]

>>14794730
Just keep making stuff up cunt.

[Anonymous No.14796822]

>>14796317
>left and right follow the same idiotic heart, and the same stupid brain.
That's because they are both products of democratic revolution. Believing in democracy makes you complicit with both.

[Anonymous No.14797033]

>Urbit planets are already USD 30
Fuuuck. I guess I am getting about 20 and not 100s as I said.

[Anonymous No.14797074]

>>14789928
>Does anyone even discuss equality in such a rigid sense?
All the time. It's baked into the American justice system with disparate impact. If you have a test which excludes an ethnic group disproportionally you have to prove that the test is a) fair and b) necessary for the job, which are essentially impossible tasks without claiming 'X are on average fundamentally incapable of this work due to lower intelligence', which judges will not accept.

Just last week the UK government had to let go a new advisor because he publicly wrote something that every psychologist has known for 100 years. He didn't even write that the difference was genetic. If you're in government, you better toe the line - people are equal, evidence of inequality is evidence of discrimination, excepting white men.

[Anonymous No.14797082]

You do realize Covid-19 is a bioweapon manufactured by Moldbug? Why is nobody doing anything about this?

[Anonymous No.14797134]

>>14794137
>Sovereignty is a flat, peer-to-peer relationship by definition. The concept of hierarchical sovereignty is a contradiction in terms.
Doesn't the entire history of the European middle-ages disprove this? Or am I just too stupid for advanced moldbuggery?

[Anonymous No.14797155]

[Anonymous No.14797195]

>>14796483
They all look extremely low-T and ugly. Somehow I just can't imagine decent governance coming from a room with so many deleterious genetic mutations.

[Anonymous No.14797264]

>>14797195
Again, where the fuck is the photo from?

[Anonymous No.14797338]

>>14797134
You're not sovereign if there's another human that can tell you what to do. Counts are not sovereign of their Dukes, Dukes are not sovereign of their Kings. Kings/Emperors being beholden to the Pope was a constant conflict. The Kings argued that they were sovereign, the Pope argued sovereignty was given (and thus, could be revoked) by the Pope and the Pope alone, hence the metaphor of the Sun (the Pope) that makes its own light (sovereignty) and the moon (secular Lords) that can only reflect given light (sovereignty). Kings disagreeing with this directly lead to the Protestant Revolution.

[Anonymous No.14797340]

Is House the ideal Moldbuggian sovcorp CEO?

[Anonymous No.14797376]

>>14790367
Political equality is different than being identical in ability, of course. Don't see why this is so difficult for people to understand...

[Anonymous No.14797393]

>>14797376
I don't think it's difficult to understand - it just doesn't make sense. It's stupid to pretend that politically sanctioned privileges("rights") are entirely unrelated to the properties of it's beneficiaries.

[Anonymous No.14797404]

>>14797393
*their

[Anonymous No.14797424]

>>14797393
It is a question of all citizens having equality before the law no matter how stupid or foolish they are. They should NOT, however, have "equality of outcome".

[Anonymous No.14797428]

>>14797393
Rights are intrinsic, the law protects, but does not grant, rights.

[Anonymous No.14797430]

>>14797424
Why should they have any equality whatsoever?

[Anonymous No.14797448]

>>14789911
> can anyone answer this in a non-meme manner?
Lenin did it more than a hundred years ago.:
www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

[Anonymous No.14797479]

>>14797428
That statement is such a great example of why Humanism is just Christianity without God.

[Anonymous No.14797511]

>>14797264
I'm not the anon who posted it, but a bit of google-fu will tell you this is the Students for Liberty conference having dinner with David Friedman.

[Anonymous No.14797525]

>>14794044
Basically this, we are maybe witnessing the foundations of something new, but none of these people will lead anyone to anything remotely important

[Anonymous No.14797573]

>>14797338
>You're not sovereign if there's another human that can tell you what to do.
Kings often couldn't tell their lords what to do without raising an army at great expense. They could advise, persuade, maneuver, threaten and apply political pressure, but actually forcing them was very tough.
>The Kings argued that they were sovereign, the Pope argued sovereignty was given (and thus, could be revoked) by the Pope
Doesn't this just prove that sovereignty is hierarchical? If you can argue it both ways and defy each other, then both must be sovereign to varying degrees.

[Anonymous No.14797596]

>>14797573
Actually IIRC he never argues that anyone was ever 'fully' sovereign.

[Anonymous No.14797605]

>>14797264
It's Patchwork in action.

[Anonymous No.14797614]

>>14797340
Better than most of the young libertarian types who think they would make a great CEO. Wielding actual power responsibly requires a completely different temperament to writing theory.

[Anonymous No.14797640]

>>14797428
What are you going to do when people disagree about what their proper rights are? Most people don't believe in the NAP or the categorical imperative or any other coherent theory of rights. These things are mostly limited to middle class WASP males.

[Anonymous No.14797662]

>>14797264

[Anonymous No.14797707]

>>14797573
See >>14797596. Moldbug has said that real life is very messy, a King can totally be beholden to his Dukes. The point is that a King cannot both be beholden to his dukes AND sovereign, just as a Duke cannot be beholden to his King AND sovereign.

The justification for the structure (feudalism) is second to the actual hierarchy.

[Anonymous No.14797730]

>>14797448
Doesn't answer it. Just does the usual thing of admitting differences, but appealing to some more abstract equality.

[Anonymous No.14797734]

>>14797707
>Moldbug has said
Shut up faggot

[Anonymous No.14797777]

>>14797707
>The justification for the structure (feudalism) is second to the actual hierarchy.
Then what is the point of the structure? I thought Moldbug wanted to make formal power map onto actual power; isn't that the whole point of Formalism? If real life produces messy hierarchical sovereignty, then a flat sovereignty structure would deformalize power rather than formalize it.

[Anonymous No.14797791]

>>14788529
You forced me to google this person /lit/. Wtf is wrong with you?
He is litterally the example of the STEM person who thinks just cause he knows to programm some API he can "solve" humanities. He´s literally that annoying quality personified.
Also "dark" enlightnment is like the most pathetic concept ever. If you like to suck up to royalty you can read yourself in historic texts as a hobby, there´s no need to act like an edgy 14 year libertarian thinking your life would be better in a feudal society.

Why did OP even make this post. Do TRADcucks need a new replacement daddy after Peterson offed himself by following his neo con advice?? And everyone laughs their face off when someone tries to meme GUENON or SPENGLER as a serious intellectual.
Seriously please try harder next time

[Anonymous No.14797802]

>>14794137
>General deterrence is a complex topic which deserves its own post. For the moment, assume that every square inch of the planet’s surface is formally owned by some sovcorp, that no one disagrees on the borders, and that deterrence between sovcorps is absolute.
I just don't see how imperialism wouldn't just wreck this shit up. I'm sure Yarvin has some kind of violence principle synonymous to NAP; where the first 'sovcorp' that successfully violates it and conglomerates, wins The Game.

[Anonymous No.14797806]

>>14797777
The clear pill does say you’re in a dome. It says nothing about the real world outside that dome, only that you know nothing about that world—just some facts. It does not even challenge any of those facts. It is made from pure philosophy and contains no jet fuel or steel beams.

[Anonymous No.14797811]

>>14797777
I'm not defending his ideas, and that's an entirely valid point that people have brought up: any attempt to create a power-structure more complex than "do what grug say or grug club you" will get increasingly complex. and ultimately skew who has "real" power.

Personally, I find Moldbug to be a good Analysis guy, but a poor Solutions guy. A close look at Singapore reveals most of its effectiveness is due to its small size and being run by high-IQ Han, rather than any kind of high-minded ideals.

>>14797791
No one takes Guenon seriously, dude. The ones spamming the meme about him proactively BTFOing Plato is literal spam by literal Discord trannies.

[Anonymous No.14797822]

>>14797791
Why did you even make that post more like. If you're retarded enough to believe that you can correctly evaluate someone's ideas and personality after a Google search, you shouldn't be on this board.

[Anonymous No.14797839]

I read his 'new' article posted here a few months ago. Total Hegelian claptrap about Caesarism, as I recall. Basically it was what I expected and I felt comfortable with my decision never to take it seriously, though I will give him credit for the quality meme of the Cathedral.

[Anonymous No.14797850]

>>14797822
For some you can.
>jewish
>compsci
>face
>reactionary
If you're looking any further than this it's for jokes or because you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.14797933]

>>14796483
Yeah. I think that anon posted it to try and say "Look at how ugly these people are," but they're honestly fairly well-kempt. They're above average.

[Anonymous No.14797950]

>>14797933
>>14796483
lmao

[Anonymous No.14797965]

>>14797933
Yeah and they overall look like pretty normal dudes. I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.14797971]

>>14797950
If I saw this guy >>14797662 irl, I would not give him a second look. He's a bit fat; he's not a prince charming, but he's not ugly. Not being good looking isn't the same as being ugly.

[Anonymous No.14797998]

>>14788529
I am reading it now, enjoying it so far...

https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2008/04/open-letter-to-open-minded-progressives/

[Anonymous No.14798003]

>>14788529
>>14788608
There is no way out of this labyrinth without a holistically reactionary 'non-binary' approach. To that end, a Bloomberg nomination in a brokered convention (yoinking Sanders, again) would do wonders. Everyone talks past each other, it can at least be in the same direction, converging on the same tango(s).

[Anonymous No.14798009]

>>14797573
The fact of the matter is that NO ONE is sovereign, everyone needs someone. Sovereignty is a spook.

[Anonymous No.14798049]

>>14798009
All concepts are spooks.

[Anonymous No.14798072]

>>14797430
For consistency, and to better promote a meritocracy. Equality before the law for each individual will allow "outoliers" to rise above the mean of their subgroup.

[Anonymous No.14798114]

>>14798072
*outliers

[Anonymous No.14798118]

>>14798072
So this type of equality is instrumental to other values and not valuable in itself?

[Anonymous No.14798127]

Reading it, got to this part:

>For example, you and I and virus X agree on the subject of the international Jewish conspiracy: there is no such thing. We disagree with the evil virus N, which fortunately is scarce these days. This can be explained in many ways, but one of the simplest is that if Fox News stuck a swastika in its logo and told Bill O’Reilly to start raving about the Elders of Zion, its ratings would probably go down.

What the fuck? Guess he is smart enough to be afraid of the J*ws, too... Or he just realizes that they are the one group in the USA you can't piss off, or you are doomed

[Anonymous No.14798155]

>>14797791
>Also "dark" enlightnment is like the most pathetic concept ever.
The dark enlightenment is Land's term for a broad collection of ideas that can't really be attributed to an individual. Moldbug has very little to do with this.
>Do TRADcucks need a new replacement daddy after Peterson offed himself
I don't think anyone liked Peterson beside neoliberal soibois. The NRX crowd certainly wouldn't have anything to do with him.

[Anonymous No.14798164]

>>14798155
I like Maps of Meaning 2bh. Just read it and skip the rest of Peterson.

[Anonymous No.14798166]

>>14798118
It's value lies in its instrumentality, if you like.

[Anonymous No.14798211]

>that one time Curtis started replying to comments under a 'rationalist' blogpost under the nick 'boldmug' and BTFOing everyone

Yeah I'm thinking he's pretty based

[Anonymous No.14798281]

>>14797971
He looks incredibly smug, low testosterone and depressingly ugly.

[Anonymous No.14798293]

>>14798127
I thought he was one of them?

[Anonymous No.14798300]

>>14798164
>Just read it and skip the rest of Peterson.
No, I don't want to give him any money or validation.

[Anonymous No.14798310]

>>14798166
So you would abandon it if it failed to provide the best possible outcome for all involved?

[Anonymous No.14798374]

>>14788634
I was one in 2013. Other Progressives turned me into a National Socialist. Lothrop Stoddarad turned me back into a progressive.

[Anonymous No.14798643]

>>14797933
>They're above average

you

[Anonymous No.14798868]

>>14798643
kek some incredible cope on display from moldfags.

[Anonymous No.14799039]

>>14793842
Thank you anons introducing me to urbit

[Anonymous No.14799075]

>>14799039
You're welcome, but you better buy dem IDs now. Moldbug and his family own at least a whole solar system - I tried to get an address close to him and they're all blocked off.

[Anonymous No.14799116]

>>14799075
I'm a peripatetic, not much interested in holding stake. I see urbit as a harbinger of our future society, that's all.

[Anonymous No.14799198]

>>14799116
Well, keep in mind you need an address to take part, so you might want to get at least one.

[Anonymous No.14799238]

>>14797791
>evaluates Moldbug upon "googling" him
>posts Stirner pic
>doesn't understand Dark Enlightenment, in addition misspells the name
yup, I'm thinking cringe
>

[Anonymous No.14799264]

>>14797839
What did he say about Caesarism? TL;DR? His writing is so boring

[Anonymous No.14799304]

>>14798310
Me personally? I am in favor of serfdom, but that is simply not gonna happen in this society. Keep in mind that we are working with a country (The USA) that defines conservatism as the values of 1776 and after, enlightenment values. Even so, the franchise in the USA was originally restricted to male property owners, which is not in itself a bad thing. But again, it is unlikely that we can walk back from this position of universal suffrage. The best we can do is guarantee everyone equality before the law, but at the same time recognize that each person will have very different life outcomes that it is NOT the responsibility of the state to correct for them.
"Keep the coinage and the courts, let the rabble have the rest!"

[Anonymous No.14799311]

>>14788529
It's basically : I'am very smart, smarter than you and everyone else. If everyone else was always as rational and smart as I'am things would never go wrong. There is no way that the weaknesses in my system wouldn't cause people to form groups that try to kill and destroy each other because the magic of rational logic prevents us from doing so.


In very small text at the end of the scripture : If only everyone was a perfectly rational logical robot.

[Anonymous No.14799314]

>>14798293
Is he? interesting...

[Anonymous No.14799526]

>>14799304
>serfdom
have you looked around?
we're already in Neo-Feudalism.

[Anonymous No.14799632]

>>14799311
This is literally not even close. This particular book is largely about criticism.

[Anonymous No.14799677]

>>14798003
I guess that's one way to give Trump a second term.

[Anonymous No.14799775]

>>14797573
This is like saying states within the US are sovereign becuase the federal government wouldn't want to have to utilize the military.

[Anonymous No.14799803]

>>14799775
That's actually incorrect. Kingdoms were very, very different from post-FR countries.

[Anonymous No.14799828]

>>14799775
The original states were sovereign by the above definition - the feds couldn't force them to do anything. The modern USA has much more centralized sovereignty.

[Anonymous No.14800026]

Moldbug is such a faggot

[Anonymous No.14800222]

>>14797662
>"For the moment, assume that we can make machines that run on pixie dust. Now that we've gotten that tricky bit out of the way, let me explain my ideal future to you..."

People worship this clown?

[Anonymous No.14800618]

>>14799264
Alas I cannot immediately find a link for you. It was basically what I understand most of his work to be regarding 'the Cathedral.' That is to say, an essay that begins with a conclusion (that the Cathedral was hijacked by puritanical zealots) and proceeds to oscillate between the fall of Rome and Caesarism along with the usual bugaboos (Nazis, Bolshevists) to somehow prove that the Cathedral is doomed along with probably us.

If this months old remembrance misstates his case it wouldn't surprise me because, again, I didn't much care to investigate further.

[Anonymous No.14800787]

>>14798374
This.
I went from progressive to nationalist and back again, because even with all the crazy politically correct crap I saw in the Left, none of it was as crazy as /pol/ talking about global warming being caused by Jewish weather machines or esoteric gibberish about feminism being a virus. They have extremely low standards of evidence and circlejerk all day about exterminating a laundry list of people they don't like.

[Anonymous No.14800934]

>>14800026
>>14798003
>>14788529
Moldbug is an intellectual paper tiger. Literally nothing about his work is practical yet it also fails to inspire faustian urges to work for a greater tomorrow. There is nothing that Moldbug produced that is worth reading. Literature like this should inspire you to dream of a beautiful future but all this STEMbug produces in your mind if confusion and boredom. Hence why only autists like it, Like the asian capitalists (who aren't even white) and cope by saying "uh nations don't have to be grouped by race, it can just be about economic zones and ideology!". You don't need to read so outrageous, autistic tome that only a CSautist could produce, ethnocentricity and other traditionalist persuasions should come naturally to you assuming you are white and of good character

Pic related is the best thinker on the right today BAR NONE. Spencer is terrifyingly intelligent and manages to diagnose the world's ills with surgical precision. A true quixotic figure that strives for a beautiful future for white people.

[Anonymous No.14801086]

>>14798643

[Anonymous No.14801143]

>>14800934
please go back to pol, richard, until you actually finish your degree.

[Anonymous No.14801274]

>>14800787
I don't think you understand what I meant. 1920s progressivism was more rational and scientific than German National Socialism, and had more serious eugenic & social goals. Stoddard was very prescient about the threat of third world overpopulation, among other things.

/pol/ isn't a political ideology and it stopped being a good place for political discussion five years ago. It's just a petri dish for every online psyop from Hasbara to the FBI. Of course it's going to be full of flat earth, chemtrails, talk of demonic invasion, etc etc.

If you want sane right wing political commentary look elsewhere. I recommend national-justice.com and fashthenation.com to get you started. The American Sun is also out there but it's more amateurish. There should be plenty of links from these to more news and analysis you'll find insightful.

[Anonymous No.14801296]

>>14788529
>>14800934
NRX was ideological bait for wealthy tech people. Moldbug found his ideal patron in Peter Thiel, who he convinced to fund his dumb website after flattering him with talk of what a natural technocrat he was and how he should be in charge of everything.

Pandering jew cozies up to a powerful gentile to extract investment capital. Where have you heard that story before?

[Anonymous No.14801342]

>>14797730
>can't into abstraction
retarded

[Anonymous No.14801353]

>>14797155
Lmao

[Anonymous No.14802405]

>>14801296
Moldbug is super unideological. He has an engineering mentality that is appealing to a segment of techies, I'll grant you that much(since I'm one of them)

[Anonymous No.14802445]

>>14788608
Worked on me desu
t. Recovering progressive

[Anonymous No.14802461]

>>14790367
If those rights are, quote, "self evident", why ratify them in law at all?

[Anonymous No.14802559]

>>14802445
Based. Moldbug is actually really reasonable if you read him - people just keep projecting shit onto him without actually looking at any of his books or articles.

[Anonymous No.14802716]

>>14797822
>>14799238
I dont know why you people are against superficial judgements of people.
There´s nothing wrong with giving up on people. You cant expect anyone to read a book of a person who does weird right wing thing of having an annoying semi prebubescent voice while talking about race realism and tries to sound clever with an british accent.
He probably thinks of Roman society as something to strive for a and has picture of a picture of a pillar on his feed. I have no problem with reading stuff i dont agree wirh, but if he destroys all your respect immediately why should you even put in the effort??

[Anonymous No.14802729]

[Anonymous No.14802732]

>>14802716
I don't think you get it. There's nothing wrong with it, but this is not the place - the board or the thread. Also everything you said isn't remotely accurate and says more about you than him.

[Anonymous No.14802755]

Judging by how it makes /lit/ types seethe, it must be decent.

[Anonymous No.14803075]

>>14799828
>>14799803
The example is just to show that sovereignty isn’t hierarchical. At one point the states believed themselves to be sovereign, and Lincoln put a hard stop to that. Small feudal kingdoms were sovereign at one point, but centralization forced the kingdoms to choose whether they would be German or French, and the empires/nations of Germany and France became sovereign.

[Anonymous No.14803292]

>>14803075
I mean honestly I think 'sovereignty' is an abstraction that there's only ever been partial states of.

[Anonymous No.14804592]

>>14801296
The only reason Thiel patronizes him is because he thought Moldy could provide him with new catamites.

[Anonymous No.14805226]

>>14804592
Pretty legit reason.