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14897436 No.14897436 [Reply] [Original]

Bros, did capitalism fail? I keep seeing pictures of empty grocery stores, and even my local Kroger was experiencing stock deficiencies. How will us consumers get food?

>> No.14897450

>>14897436
It didn't fail, it just shows that the Austrians were right when they talked about human action.

>> No.14897465

>>14897436
Hopefully this is showing people in real life the hard way of its internal contradictions and how unstable it is.

>> No.14897468

>>14897436
As long as your McDonald's are still open you'll be fine.

>> No.14897471

>>14897436
Capitalism didn't fail. Self sufficiency failed.

>> No.14897473

>>14897465
This.
Corona is shedding light on how dysfunctional the system is

>> No.14897475

>>14897436

>Can't stuff gullet with preferred mass produced food for half a day

Guize capitalism haz failed let me tweet about it

>> No.14897476

Of all things why did people start hoarding toilet rolls? If you really thought things were going to get bad some paper you wipe your ass with would be the last thing on my mind. Do people only know how to consume in a crisis or something?

>> No.14897478

Stop referring to people as consumers

>> No.14897485

>>14897478
I'm a consumer because I can't produce my own goods for self-suffiency. Stop relating everything to memes, idiot.

>> No.14897487

No, because these are temporary fluctuations caused by panic buying over a very short period of time. My local grocery stores have completely recovered from the weekend surge. The food shortages in the USSR, which Biden-Voters like you are butthurt about, were long-term, with shortages persisting over several months, and even years.

The virus' presence at all is a failure of Liberalism, yes, but the market mechanisms aren't the cause of that.

>>14897476
It's a meme ever since Katrina, when Blacks stole all of the TP they could to sell to each other. Disaster? Buy TP! Why? Because everyone else is!

>>14897478
But that's all a Lefty is, anon: a mouth to feed and hands to work.

>> No.14897503

>>14897465
As opposed to communism, a much more stable ideology.

>> No.14897532

>>14897487
Who will I vote for when both Biden and Bernie die from COVID-19?

>> No.14897536

>supermarkets already imposing buying restrictions
NOOOOOO MUH FREE MARKET I SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY WHAT I WANT.

>> No.14897545
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>>14897450

>> No.14897548

>>14897532
Bloomberg or Buttgrill, probably. Maybe Warren.

tbqh I think the DNC is retarded for trying Biden, just do Bernie and do what they did to Trump, Bernie's staff are even dumber than his after all. Hell, just do Bumgoggles, he's clearly smart enough to not need a handler like Warren.

>> No.14897550

>>14897545
And?

>> No.14897601

>>14897465
yeah id rather have empty grocery stores all the time rather than once every ten years lol

>> No.14897638

>>14897450
>(((Austrians)))

>> No.14897645

>>14897545
>>14897638
Libertarians BTFO

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>>14897601
>In socialism you starve, in capitalism you never even know what food is.

>> No.14897649

>>14897503
Not really, there's no stable vision of the future that's been presented as viable. Capitalism is in its bubble where there seems to be no outside. We're in it, and it looks like we'll suffocate from its entrapment.

There's crisis on the left as far as what the future should be envisioned to look like.

>>14897601
As much as we enjoy our corn syrup riddled food, there's hundred of millions in poverty within the same system that we enjoy the benefits of their labor from. Wage slavery barely enough to keep up your own existence (this applies to people everywhere) is not the peak of humanity.

>> No.14897657

>>14897487
Will you say this when we're eating bugs?
>I-it's just sh-shor-short term guys. Musk will g-g-get us t-to M-M-Ma-Mars s-soon

>> No.14897747

It's not neccessarily capitalism that ruins society but moreso neoliberalism with its idea of "individuality first, state second".

>> No.14897748
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>>14897436
Capitalism fails REGULARLY

And no amount of "free market" or regulated market stops it from breaking the fuck down

>> No.14897799

Capitalism vs. Socialism/Communism is nothing but the degenerated children of bourgeois mercantilists and the degenerated children of peasants and industrial-era factory workers fighting over whatever scraps are left of the previous civilization at this point. This ends one of two ways. One, human societies come to their senses and return to some version of the social order practiced in one form or another by every successful civilization: ethnically and culturally homogeneous communities with an enforced social caste system, ruled by something akin to monarchy or oligarchy. Two, we continue the process of degeneration from democratic capitalism to socialism to communism to eventual anarchy, at which point humans will regressed into a savage mass with no culture or technology, essentially returning to the starting point. From there, either one group bands together and forms a new civilization from scratch, or the entire human mass keeps living like niggers until the species dies out.

>> No.14897809

>>14897748
Your voucher system wouldn't work.

>> No.14897815

>>14897799
>ethnically homogenous
yikes, let's unpack this.

>> No.14897825
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>>14897809
You can start a thread about the book.
Explain there why computers couldn’t calculate that shit. Go on.

>> No.14897843

>>14897601
Jesus Christ people really just eat up propaganda, huh

>> No.14897852

>>14897843
The CIA have been perfecting their game for a long time now.

>> No.14897879

>>14897436
Capitalism is making flawless progress towards its endgame, the global government of the new world order. Coronavirus is an orchestrated conspiracy, a smokescreen for enforcing tyrannical laws and debilitating vaccines. Dark days are ahead.

>> No.14897887

>>14897825
Now, now. A thread doesn't need to die over this.

What it is, is that your hypothetical nation wouldn't survive without the economic trade of others. For your civilization to function, it needs to either produce or import: food, medical supplies, building materials, replacement of those materials (everything breaks down over time, everything from tires, concrete and paper to clothes, electronics and engines).
Your country either needs to be able to A): produce and replace, or B): import.
A major problem in the strategy of production is that your hypothetical country probably wouldn't be able to own enough land containing the rare-earth elements required for the advanced technological equipment which your country would require for it to function appropriately in the modern world. For example: Much of the rare earth metals are located in China, as well as some other places. If your country doesn't own a deposit with said elements, you will have to import. But how are you going to import/trade with another country if your currency is intangible/non-material? You couldn't, unless they gave it to you for free. Or you could have your citizens mine minerals from territory that you do own and convince the other nation that they need this from you, but good luck convincing them that it would be better to trade materials with you than with some other more established nation whose ideals better align with theirs.

>> No.14897888

>>14897471
Bullseye anon.

>> No.14897890

>>14897545
So the Jews were based all along, in other words?

>> No.14897892
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>>14897879
>Capitalism is making flawless progress towards its endgame, the global government of the new world order. Coronavirus is an orchestrated conspiracy, a smokescreen for enforcing tyrannical laws and debilitating vaccines. Dark days are ahead.

>> No.14897898

>>14897476
Some people bought it to sell, some people bought it out of fear. It's more of a thing this time around because China produces much of the world's toilet rolls and there's therefore an issue with supply.

>> No.14897912

>>14897436
I don't know that it's necessarily a failure of "capitalism" so much as it's a failure of highly optimized "just in time" business models. There's a reason that the economies that are the most robust to things like this are ones whose systems are locally self-sustainable and not heavily globalized/optimized.

>> No.14897925

>>14897887
>your hypothetical nation
Already you stumble and fall
Just read the book already.

>> No.14897929

>>14897436
what do you think happens under communism lol?
people get their fair share before the party members and mobsters that will make a profit on the black market?

>> No.14897933

>>14897929
Yes

>> No.14897942

>>14897476
tfw I actually just needed to restock on toilet paper and the only thing I could find was awful single ply

>> No.14897945

>>14897436
I see plenty of food in that picture, on the back wall. It's just not the type of food people are hoarding. This run on the stores is a temporary phase. I'm sure many items will be back in stock in a week or two.

>> No.14897947

>>14897929
>Lol Venezuela. Lol USSR
Not actual communism, but state authoritarian capitalism. “Mixed economy” is a form of capitalism and it’s inherent breakdowns

>> No.14897954

>>14897892
Nah.

>> No.14897970

>>14897925
Why? Are you too busy dopa-mining your daily intake through shitposts to have a sensible discussion?

>> No.14897978

>>14897545
That’s not libertarianism fyi.

>>14897890
Weird the way antisemetic market fundies can forgive the neoliberal and neoclassical-liberal jews but never Marx and whatever other jews there are on the left. Almost as if ethnicity doesn’t matter and is only being used as a tool to sway the pea-brained.

>> No.14897988

>>14897970
You said nothing sensible. I recommend the book to you. It’ll answer your questions.

>> No.14897997

>>14897476
Toilet papers are useful in a total societal collapse since it'll allow you to not get an infection near your anus in a situation with no running water, it should however never be stocked before food for a few weeks.

Also I doubt most people hoarding toilet paper are betting on a total societal collapse.

>> No.14898025

>>14897942
TFW all of your cleaning supplies are the natural, parraben free, chemical free, non gmo, hipster chicken shit because inhaling chemicals never seemed prosperous. I go to the store and that shits still stocked deep within the shelves. Fuck, have I been buying the wrong shit this whole time?

>> No.14898029

>>14897550
holy SHIT, /pol/fags btfo with a single word

>> No.14898054
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>>14897532
Tulsi is still running

Actually proposed an emergency UBI for people self-quarantining or sick. Leadership.

>> No.14898057

>>14897929
yea basically

>> No.14898059

>>14897649
>there's hundred of millions in poverty within the same system that we enjoy the benefits of their labor from
Didn't China literally lift like 700 million people out of poverty by opening up to capitalism? Same for the poorest of regions where low life expectancy and malnutrition sees incredible improvements every year.

>> No.14898066

>>14898059
China is Marxist.

>> No.14898086

>>14898059
Not even Marx disagrees that capitalism improves material conditions

>> No.14898091

>>14897436
Its fine. I work retail myself and it isn't as bad as the media says. Give us about a week, and we will get more shipments in, though we are probably going to be working a lot of overtime to get it done. Capitalism didn't fail, its just that one scare got people to overspend on pointless shit. Once we get restocked, hopefully the paranoia will settle down a bit. Otherwise there might be some buying restrictions so that one person doesn't hoard the whole aisle.

>> No.14898101

>>14897476
I went out for groceries earlier today and they had loads of toilet paper

>> No.14898104

>>14898066
It's not Marxist Theory that has improved hundred of millions of lives though. It was the change from state ownership and central planing to a market economy if I understand correctly.

>> No.14898110

>>14898059
>by opening up to capitalism?
Depends on what you call capitalism. I would call it that, but market fundies think socialism is when the government does stuff.

>> No.14898116

>>14897436
Wtf /pol/ told me that only communist countries had empty shelves and lines of people waiting for food!

>> No.14898118

>>14898086
Thats why I replied to that guy. Mentioning hundreds of millions in poverty as a flaw of capitalism seems like a strange argument to make when capitalism has been the most effective system for fighting that poverty.

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>>14898118

>> No.14898147

If prices are allowed to rise they'll be quickly restocked because price is what tells suppliers that there's deficiencies in the market. If we were under a socialist system the problem would be much worse because central planners wouldn't have access to that information. They would have to rely on less efficient methods to learn where resources are most needed.