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>is the son of ominscient God
>comes to the world with useless teachings about morality and virtue instead of with lectures on advanced mathematics, physics and sciences general
what did he mean by this?

>> No.14968686

>>14968684
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

>> No.14968688

>>14968684
it wasn't the teleology of his incarnation

>> No.14968701

>>14968684
without virtue people couldn't be advacned scientists

>> No.14968715

>>14968686
>knowing how the world works is foolishness
christcucks actually believe this. why didn't he tell us anything about natural sciences? economic growth and industry augmented our morality more than his moral teachings ever could. even from the standpoint of religion including a workable and empirically valid mathematical model of simple physical phenomenon in the New Testament would've given his whole message more credibility than the accounts of the Apostles did.

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14968716

Omg I love scienceeeeeee!

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>>14968684
>why teach man to seek truth and virtue above all else?
I wonder...

>> No.14968724

>>14968684
Fedora-est post I've seen in a long time

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>>14968724
>>14968716
>all insults
>no arguments
is this the fabled power of Christian philosophy?

>> No.14968744

>>14968715
because Jesus genuinely thought the world would end within his lifetime
there was no time for theoretical physics

>> No.14968746

>>14968715
There's a difference between the way the world works and the way we think it works. The Scientific consensus has been overturned many times and will continue to be overturned. Just look at where quantum mechanics is leading us, into absurdity. We cannot create our own salvation. We can only be humble, repent and turn to God.

>> No.14968750

>>14968684
christ still had to learn like everyone else
>And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. Luke 2:52

>> No.14968754

>>14968684
>Be Wotan, comes to the world with the quest for more knowledge.
>Be Christ, dies.

Why?

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>>14968715
Why would He give us the tools to destroy ourselves? Technology only makes things worse.

>> No.14968762

>>14968684
His philosophy built the cultural bedrock that led to those developments

>> No.14968769 [DELETED] 

>>14968755
>Technology only makes things worse.
Brainlet. Assuming He created the world, the only reason technology makes things worse is because He created the laws of physics that cause technology to make everything worse. If He is truly omniscient, He could make it so that all technology is harmless.

>> No.14968770

>>14968762
The Greeks (pbut) made significant contributions to science without this cultural bedrock, why couldn't we just continue with the Greeks?

>> No.14968771

>>14968755
>Technology only makes things worse.
Horrible how the only people dying right now from Corona are those above 80 and with pre-existing conditions.

We should dump those hospitals, breathing machines, the knowledge of epidemics and bacteria, etc and go and die from the next black death.

>> No.14968776

>>14968755
>Technology only makes things worse.
Brainlet. Assuming He created the world, the only reason technology makes things worse is because He created the laws of physics that cause technology to make everything worse. If He is truly omnipotent, He could make it so that all technology is harmless.

>> No.14968780

>>14968770
The greeks synthesized with christian culture anon.

>> No.14968788

>>14968771
but the black death was a symptom of civilization

>> No.14968789

>>14968744
Jesus predicted the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD, well past the crucifixion, which he knew was coming sooner (33 AD)

>>14968736
It's a goofy question mate. If God exists it's infinitely more important to learn about him and live virtuously, seeking the objective good, that doesn't mean you ignore math and practical matters, but you prioritize God above math and your job.

If God doesn't exist, then it doesn't really matter what you learn or believe because there's no objective thing to pursue that's more meaningful than another, you could just be a bum and jerk off in the street, a baby raping banker, a really smart mathematician or just suicide, it doesn't matter. Atheist worldview is nihilist and senseless.

>> No.14968796

>>14968788
>but the black death was a symptom of civilization
If that is true, how could more civilization protect us against such an outbreak. Come one, either diseases and death are good, or they are not, what is it.

>> No.14968802

>>14968780
so Christian culture in itself wouldn't be conducive to the progress of science and industry?

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>>14968686
>For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

>> No.14968815

>>14968789
>which he knew was coming sooner
sure

>> No.14968822

>>14968684
>Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate.

>> No.14968828

>>14968684
>OP thinks math is more important than eternal life
Hmm

>> No.14968849

>>14968684
He meant that you should stop being a dick, OP.

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>>14968684
He wasn't a bugman science-worshipper.

>> No.14968963

Morality and virtue ARE advanced science, physics, and mathematics.

>> No.14969089

>>14968776
No, when we choose technology (Babel) we are contradicting His will by forsaking what He made to build our own greatness in the place of it.

>> No.14969095

Science is actually worthless bugman nu-male cuck shit
i fucking hate science
deyus vault

>> No.14969103

>>14968684
>advanced mathematics, physics and sciences general

Have these things ever actually made our society better?

>> No.14969106

>>14968684
Because morality comes from God, science is something we do as humans, he shouldn’t need to give it to us

>> No.14969116

>>14969103
yes

>> No.14969124

>>14969103
Yes, I think so.

>> No.14969125

>>14968776
He created the penis and the anus, that doesn't mean they're supposed to go together. We can use your retarded logic to justify literally anything. Just because some things exist in creation doesn't mean they can be used in any way.

>> No.14969130

>>14969103
beyond the computers, particularily the internet and medicine, no.

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>>14969103
Absolutely not. We are living the most miserable, debased and degenerate lives of any in history. Establishment science cocksuckers like Pinker will tell you otherwise.

>> No.14969141

>>14968684
Why would he?

>what did he mean by this?
Morals are more important than tech and progress?
You can't teach without a strong foundation?
Saying things too advanced to people would have been confusing and nonsensical to them?
OP is a faggot?

>> No.14969148

>>14969103
>Have these things ever actually made our society better?

Yes, anon these things have ever actually made our society better

>> No.14969149

>>14968684
Christ came to save mankind from their sins, not make them comfortable.

>> No.14969163

>>14969149
But comfortable people do not commit sins, just look at the difference between first and third world in crimerates.

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>>14968776
>every thing exists in the material realm, therefore every use is endorsed

>> No.14969176

>>14969163

Comfortable people very easily commit the sins of idolatry, indifference to or enmity with God, just look at first world atheism rates.

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>>14968684
You need Jesus to provide scientific proof because SCIENCE is your god. Why would he satisfy the requirements of idolators?

>> No.14969183

>>14968684

He means that the ultimate solution to the problem of the human condition is not a matter of learning how to make more widgets efficiently, but properly disposing the soul toward God, which is possible only by grace through faith.

>> No.14969187

>>14969149
This. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

>> No.14969195

>>14968716
haha yeah stupid science nerds!

>> No.14969200

>>14969176

So you are saying that you either

>Believe in God and kill, steal and corrupt other peoples and cultures for it
>You don't and the worst that can happen is that you stop caring.

Makes you think huh

>> No.14969204

>>14969200
Not believing in God is worse than rape and murder, anon.

>> No.14969210

>>14969204

Oh well made your choice then.

>> No.14969217

>>14969210
Christ didn't say that "thou shall not kill" was the most important commandment when asked about it.

>> No.14969228

>>14969217
not him but
technically it's do not not *murder

>> No.14969240

>>14969200

Every culture has its temptations, is what I'm saying. Sure, impoverished cultures have more violent evils, and invite us to deny Christ by our deeds. Affluent cultures puff us up with our riches, and invite us to deny Christ with both our mouths and our deeds. Both are ultimately spiritually deadly, so the only thing to do is help each other overcome the vices to which we most heavily tend.

>> No.14969259

>>14969204
This but unironically

>> No.14969303

>>14968684
>Mathematics
>Useful
Lmao what
Fuck off back to >>>/sci/
Make sure to like "I FUCKING love science" on your way out

>> No.14969309

>>14969303
sure but not until you throw out your computer and go to live in the woods because all of the advances you're using have been enabled by mathematics

>> No.14969336

>>14969259
If you really thought that statement was true there would be no reason for you to assume I was being ironic.

>> No.14969342

>>14968684
>advanced
How on earth would anyone have understood them at that time?

>> No.14969353

>>14969342
Wasn’t the jew god supposed to be all powerful? Enlightening people should be a piece of cake

>> No.14969369

>>14969309
cringe

>> No.14969720

>>14968684
It is very clear to any thinking person that Jesus was not who the scriptures say he was.
To me, Jesus was a very charismatic religious leader, with a moral nature and wisdom that surpassed everyone at the time.
He preached that the kingdom of heaven was for everyone, not just for jews. That for salvation to be possible you have to be reborn, that we are gods(whatever that means to you).
It is very clear why some people love him and some hate him.
To who hated him probably said all kinds of bullshit about him to keep people from joining him. It is only natural to assume that, at the other hand, people who loved him said the contrary, that he could walk on water for example.
Religion as a whole is not something to discuss lightly

>> No.14969793

>>14968684
If he did guess who would still have deal with themselves in 30 AD? With ourselves, and no matter what science or tech we have it's something we'll still have do to deal with, which is how we orient and organize ourselves.

This is the struggle of knowledge, what we've had to deal with since man in the story of genesis bit off from the tree of knowledge. 20th century was all about showing us what could go wrong with the strong pursuit of knowledge while ignoring ethical concerns. Christ was concerned with the eternal and not the advancement to some other kind of material pleasure.

>> No.14969858

>>14969336
I do and I don't think you are being ironic either. But non-believers may think that you were being.

>> No.14969927

>>14968776
>the only reason technology makes things worse is because
of a human retardation. Give a monkey a grenade and see how it ends.

>> No.14969935

>>14969163
>But comfortable people do not commit sins
retard

>> No.14969946

>>14969927
silly monkeys, give them thumbs, they make a club and beat their brother down

>> No.14969956

>>14968684
How is this supposed to work? You tell a load of 1st century Jews about calculus, quantum field theory, cell biology, etc; what are they supposed to do with it? What kind of framework do they have to understand what you are saying? What kind of resources do they have to make anything of it? This is the most naive whiggery possible.

>> No.14969964

>>14968701
Worth noting that moral character was genuinely important in the scientific revolution. Bacon and Descartes are very clear that there is an ideal-type persona that the natural philosopher should be. The flaws of scholasticism (and later, the flaws of Cartesian rationalist mechanism) are expressed through, amongst other things, such an idea of moral failing. Similarly Plato and Aristotle on the Sophists.

>> No.14969971

>>14968686
Wrong, and the Christian desire to read the Book of Nature was extremely important in science through to the nineteenth century (and still is, if much more rarely, through to the present). Particularly important in England. Physico-theology.

>> No.14970165

>>14969946
Ok, Stanley.

>> No.14970202

>>14969946
Based and TOOLpilled

>> No.14970206

>>14970165
what

>> No.14970282

>>14970206
Literally the plot of the opening in 2001

>> No.14970310

>>14970282
aah gotcha

>> No.14971269

>>14968746
Explain how computers work without quantum mechanics. Fuck off pseud trash. Just because you don't understand transistors doesn't mean they don't work.

>> No.14971333

>>14969140
How is wage slavery science's fault?