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15054851 No.15054851 [Reply] [Original]

op @ /sci but they don't seem to know any better:

Is it really naive to question the validity of mathematics outside a consciousness? I'm not saying the universe came into existence after human beings first appeared with mathematical thinking, but what is math but logical thinking? We have every reason to believe that the beginning of a universe was an era governed by quantum mechanics in some form, and that the uncertainty principle plays a major role in the theory. I always understood the uncertainty principle as a mathematical fact derived from fourier transformations. This suggests to me that the logic that allows the uncertainty principle to exist, was prior to creation of a universe with sentient beings. But logic itself is a result of conscious thinking, we could only come up with the uncertainty principle with logical analysis. Therefore, is conscious thought the substratum of logic?

>> No.15055049

>>15054851
The laws of logic, mathematics; the things we are attempting to describe are immaterial, constant, and preconditions of the universe. If they are not this leads to ridiculous conclusions like math or logic being relative
look into transcendental arguments

>> No.15056213

>>15055049
Yes based

>> No.15056299

>>15054851
>Therefore, is conscious thought the substratum of logic?
No if anything unconscious thought is. Logic is a "receipt" of unconscious sensorimotor and bodily intuitions and cognitive schemas combined with centuries of conscious development and expansion.

>This suggests to me that the logic that allows the uncertainty principle to exist, was prior to creation of a universe with sentient beings

The forurier transform does not exist outside our heads. Any parallel it shares with objective phenomena is coincidental. We developed this mathematical structure and then discovered that some pattern of the universe conforms to it, a bit like finding a face in the cloud, but still more predictive and explanatory.

>> No.15056589

>>15056299
There is no difference between maps and territories

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