How to stop hating the rich

[Anonymous No.15098380]

I want to stop hating rich people and being envious of them. Books to do this?

[Anonymous No.15098396]

>>15098380
Unironically, read Marx that isn't The Communist Manifesto. The revolt of the working class was never meant to be some kind of enobling underdog story, it was an amoral explication of a contradiction that would inevitably resolve itself. Stop thinking in terms of modern ressentiment and you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.15099286]

>>15098380
No need my friend

[Anonymous No.15099333]

>>15098380
F. Hayek and L. Von Mises' books

[Anonymous No.15099344]

>>15098380
There are very very very few "rich" people. Almost everyone with a high income is just smart, highly motivated, and low self esteem

[Anonymous No.15099352]

realize that you are in control of your situation. People who belive that external factors usch as bad luck or unfairness controls their life tend to be less successfull. If you want to become rich, you have the opportuniyt to pursue that but you are probably too lazy or don't want to sacrifice other areas of your life. Many people with fat salaries are working so much they barely have a life outside of work, your free-time is a good that you exchange for money.

[Anonymous No.15099359]

>>15098380
Just talk to lower class people. You'll even learn to empathize with cannibals who larp vampires.

[Anonymous No.15099626]

>>15098380
Why would you hate someone just for having more than you? Jealousy shouldn't translate into hate, just envy.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15099640]

>>15098380
Level the hateful lot of them. But out of love.

[Anonymous No.15099651]

>>15098380
just read Schopenhauer and hate absolute everyone without distinction

[Anonymous No.15099662]

>>15099352
Cringe and peterson-pilled

[Anonymous No.15099664]

Right-wing anticapitalism
https://www.counter-currents.com/tag/breaking-the-bondage-of-interest/

>If only statesmen had been compelled to study the laws of Compound Interest, the fate of the whole human race might have been very different. ... [T]wo serious conditions began to develop. The first was the decline not merely of the aristocracy but, little by little, of all values that could not be correlated with pounds, shillings, and pence. The age of mechanized man was approaching. The new plutocracy and those of the old Whigs who were naturally perverse began their final and terrible offensive against the old country gentlemen. ... They were subjected to numerous mercantile blood transfusions until they had to undergo the final humiliation of accepting Jewish sons-in-law to save the ground to which they pathetically clung.
William Joyce
https://www.counter-currents.com/2012/03/economic-development/

Werner Sombart and Othmar Spann
https://www.counter-currents.com/2013/03/othmar-spann-a-catholic-radical-traditionalist/

Ezra Pound
https://www.counter-currents.com/2014/08/ezra-pound-3/

Gottfried Feder
>By Mammonism is to be understood: on the one hand, the overwhelming international money-powers, the supragovernmental financial power enthroned above any right of self-determination of peoples, international big capital, the purely Gold International; on the other hand, a mindset that has taken hold of the broadest circle of peoples; the insatiable lust for gain, the purely worldly-oriented conception of life that has already led to a frightening decline of all moral concepts and can only lead to more.

>This [mammonist] mindset is embodied and reaches its acme in international plutocracy. The chief source of power for Mammonism is the effortless and endless income that is produced through interest.

>The idea of interest on loans is the diabolical invention of big loan-capital; it alone makes possible the lazy drone's life of a minority of tycoons at the expense of the productive peoples and their work-potential.

>The only cure, the radical means to heal suffering humanity is the abolition of enslavement to interest on money. The abolition of enslavement to interest on money signifies the only possible and conclusive liberation of productive labor from the hidden coercive money-powers.

>Our anti-Mammonistic battle, which is ranged above the other two battle-fronts, is directed against the world-encompassing financial power, that is, against the permanent financial and economic bleeding and exploitation of our people through large loan capital. This battle however is, on the other hand, also a powerful intellectual struggle against the soul-destroying materialistic spirit of egoism and avarice with all its concomitant corrupting manifestations in all fields of our public, economic and cultural life.
https://www.counter-currents.com/2012/11/two-volumes-by-gottfried-feder/

[Anonymous No.15099694]

>>15098380
1. Become a teacher
2. Teach in a low income urban area; interact with the kids' parents etc.
3. Teach in a high income suburban area; interact with the kids' parents etc.
Done; you no longer hate upper middle class people.

[Anonymous No.15099697]

>>15099664
Based

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15099700]

>>15099352
>People who belive that external factors usch as bad luck or unfairness controls their life tend to be less successfull
Luck is nonsense, but external factors ARE conspiring to keep the majority a servile class apart. And NO. One does not have the same opportunities to become wealthy anymore. THATS where luck comes in.
> to sacrifice other areas of your life
But besides luck, there’s this little sacrifice. You must discard that thing some call a “soul”, some a “heart”. You must throw others into working for your own enrichment, and do it as ruthlessly as possible. That’s all you have to do. *become* lazy and sociopathic.

[Anonymous No.15100738]

>>15098380
Why would you want that?

[Anonymous No.15100882]

>>15100738
I don't want to be so hateful anymore, always dreaming of dragging the rich from their multi bedroom houses and guillotining them.

[Anonymous No.15100964]

>>15100882
Well its good you are letting go of some of the hate in your heart, that is a good first step.

[Anonymous No.15100978]

>>15098396
based and this-pilled

[Anonymous No.15101008]

>>15098380
>Books to do this?
Tao Te Ching

[Anonymous No.15101009]

>>15098380
Its not possible.

[Anonymous No.15101082]

>>15098380
Violence and hatred is the last resort of the powerless idealist. What you need is to find ways to take power in your own life (be that ownership over something or greater competence in some certain area) and to think more pragmatically in general. It helps to also read some high end business lit, (not self help bad, that'll make it worse) like some high end books by the MIT press or something that a Harvard prof recommends in an online lecture. The real technical stuff will help expose some intellectual shortcomings of the rabid left, and the thinking part of your brain will cause you to reject a bad ideology bit by bit, until you stick just to the hard facts and focus on the problems you can solve

[Anonymous No.15101596]

>>15098380
read nietzsche and you will either realize resentment is cuckery and you need to do the subjecting or your a slave fag

[Anonymous No.15101678]

>>15098380
The bourgeoisie are simply acting in their own economic self interest, just as it in the economic self interest of the proletariat to oppose the former. Each class works in its own self interest, there is no reason to hate them for it. But that does not mean you should stop working in your own self interest as a class.

Marx himself said this.

[Anonymous No.15101688]

>>15098380
Let me guess: you think people with 2 cars, a pool and a summer-house are ''the rich''

[Anonymous No.15101690]

>>15101596
>resentment is cuckery
I've heard this before, which of his works go into this?

[Anonymous No.15101694]

>>15101678
Why not elevate yourself instead of your class?

[Anonymous No.15101698]

>>15099640
How anti-semitic of you

[Anonymous No.15101702]

>>15101688
They're the 1%, not the rich, at least in my country which has a much smaller wealth gap than USA.

[Anonymous No.15101716]

>>15098380
OP, you already know the truth. You can’t just forget it. But you can learn to live with it, and open your heart to love instead of hate.

>>15101694
If I am you and you are me and we are all together, then what I do for you, I also do for me.

[Anonymous No.15101717]

>>15101694
Because they either can't or don't want to. Proletariat will always outnumbers the bourgeiose and some people just want to do productive jobs instead of managing capital.

[Anonymous No.15101720]

>>15099664
Based and, I may add, redpilled

[Anonymous No.15101760]

>>15098380
Read Stoic philosophy. Realize that satisfaction in life is not derived from material goods

[Anonymous No.15101784]

>>15101760
>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.15101804]

>>15101784
Reddit is a communist website

[Anonymous No.15101856]

>>15101760
Based
real joy comes from the soul
materialism will never be a substitute
people nowadays have it better than kings from the past yet are never satisfied

[Anonymous No.15101869]

>>15101856
This is truth

[Anonymous No.15101884]

>>15101716
>If I am you and you are me and we are all together, then what I do for you, I also do for me.
What proof is there of this premise? You are not me and I am not you.

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>>15101869
It isn’t actually. The old “but you got a microwave and refrigerator” argument is Fox News tier.

[Anonymous No.15101907]

>>15101895
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.15101953]

>>15098380
Why hate people for owning things? Envy?
Why not just kill them and take their shit? Why not get your own shit with your own might and power?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15102011]

>>15101907
Epicureanism is the path to happiness, Mr. Pinker, but there is an ever growing poverty in this world of engorged pseudo-pharaohs. The homeless grow, the ill tended sickly grow. The so-called middle class shrink. The debts people have to live in... this is the life of kings? You’re delusional.

>>15101953
We need others help to overpower the sociopaths. Their guards are well armed. But what are we after anyway? Bread and land. Let them hold onto their money while we rewrite the rules.

[Anonymous No.15102022]

>>15102011
>ever growing poverty in this world
This is just about the most delusional statement imaginable.

[Anonymous No.15102038]

>>15101804
And I´m the king of Switzerland.

[Anonymous No.15102052]

>>15098380
In our current system, there is nothing really wrong with disliking rich people. Many of them didn't attain that wealth organically. But >>15099333
will explain why free-markets aren't the problem. You may think we live in a free-market system but it's simply not true. In any legitimate system, there will be "rich" people. Some people with naturally be more capable/motivated than others. Nothing wrong with that. It does become an issue when others become rich at the expense of the rest of the population. I'd argue that what happens in our current system, which we just saw with the CARES Act. Big businesses that no one gives a shit about (cruises, airlines,etc) got bailed out at the expense of the population. They got money, no questions asked, and their C-level execs will continue to do stock buybacks and receive their large paychecks for running a business poorly. Meanwhile, small-businesses are getting shafted because the government ordered them to stay home. You have no reason to stop hating the rich in our current system, it is the rational position to take.

[cunt No.15102064]

>>15098380
You don't have to hate them, but that doesn't mean they wont be killed off one day.

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>>15102022
All those Chinese uplifted out of poverty offset the ones around the world going into slums? The continuing pollution and denial/dismantling of healthcare just show how much the wealthy care about their slave class
Oh you must be watching the Beeb or something.
Look. Oil has reached its peak and a whole lot of others will follow. Industrialization is going to go boom. Weather we invade and steal Venezuelas or not. We can’t live like this, Pinker.

[Anonymous No.15102075]

>>15102052
Fully collaterilzed loans are not a bailout

[Anonymous No.15102087]

>>15102068
Dude it's unironically the case that hundreds of millions of people in China and India have escaped extreme poverty in the past 30 years. You can bitch all you want and call me names, but it's a fact

[Anonymous No.15102096]

>>15102052
I always find it hillarious when liberals are completely oblivious on dynamics of power.
>free-markets aren't the problem.
>Big businesses that no one gives a shit about got bailed out at the expense of the population
"Free market" will inevitably create big bussiness (because concentrated capital is more efficient at reproduction) and big bussiness will inevitably corrupt the state (because money can buy political power) and then eventually the state will abandon free market when it doesn´t suit the donors (because big bussiness wants to reinforce itself on top).

How would you throw a wrench into this cycle?

[Anonymous No.15102116]

>>15102096
We had a lot less lobbying before the 1970s

[Anonymous No.15102127]

I want to stop hating the rich and go back to envying them
how do?

[Anonymous No.15102131]

>>15102052
dumbass

[Anonymous No.15102135]

>>15102116
You also had less free markets before 1970s.

[Anonymous No.15102138]

>>15102087
wow those are some compelling sources

[Anonymous No.15102141]

The Art of the Deal is a great book

[Anonymous No.15102155]

>>15102135
Not really. The 70s is when federal government spending exploded.

[Anonymous No.15102163]

>>15102138
Google it faggot. It's common knowledge

[Anonymous No.15102172]

>>15102138
go back

[Anonymous No.15102173]

>>15102163
>>15102172
this seethe

[Anonymous No.15102183]

>>15102173
yeah im shaking

[Anonymous No.15102186]

>>15098380
Just accept that you are the rich in someone else's eyes.

[Anonymous No.15102196]

Is "escaping poverty" really a good thing though? Should integration of third world primitives into global economy be considered a success? Is two dollar wage a day enough to offset the loss of freedom that comes with being a wagie? The pollution and unhealthy food that comes with industrialization? The loss of traditional, healthy social relations? Why to ignore all the non-monetizable assets for a miserable wage?

Seems to me that real poverty is the middle ground in development between primitive lifestyle and modern European lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.15102201]

>>15102011

>Need others help
No i do not. You may, but I am not you nor have any obligation to help you. In fact, I may even become one of the rich you so hate, as I am an Aerospace Engineer with no debt. I'll buy enough weapons to ensure what is mine is mine and what is yours may be mine, if I wished (even though your stuff is already mine).

[Anonymous No.15102211]

>>15102183
look kid nobody believes your world bank manipulated data. find a source for this "common knowledge" that people literally have to write books arguing for or gtfo and go back to r*ddit

[Anonymous No.15102227]

>>15102201
>I'll buy enough weapons to ensure what is mine is mine
peak delusion

[Anonymous No.15102236]

>>15102227
>he doesn't own an M1 Abrams MBT
fucking poorfags i swear

[Anonymous No.15102238]

>>15102075
The businesses should have failed. They got bailed out of their poor capital management. It is socialism for large businesses no matter how you look at it.

>>15102096
It's quite a bit more complicated than that. Big business and government essentially feed off of each other. I'm not ancap, but if there is a government it definitely should not have the power to protect or favor certain businesses over others. The only reason certain businesses are treated differently than others is because the government decrees that they are different. Specifically something like a corporation. It's treated differently than an LLC or a sole-proprietorship, and it gets different benefits. Every business should be a sole-proprietorship or a partnership. Corporations are unnatural and are only recognized by the state. What it ultimately boils down to is that governments/central banks control money creation, and companies can grow unnaturally and gain absurd influence they would have not otherwise been able to attain. It's basically a back and forth of governments controlling money and recognizing that bigger companies have a much more direct way to toss them a bone than a small business does. It is more detailed obviously and that was kind of a poor explanation, but I don't want to type anymore. It's true that concentrated capital is more efficient at reproduction, but that kind of is the point of capitalism. You are supposed to save that money for future production and spend it wisely, otherwise you go out of business. There is nothing inherently wrong with big business. The system works, but there absolutely cannot be government interference. I hate crony capitalism for the same reason I hate social welfare for people who refuse to get a job... They didn't earn it.

>>15102131
Low IQ response

[Anonymous No.15102253]

>>15099694
Now you hate everyone, independent of social class or income.
Bravo anon

[Anonymous No.15102262]

>>15102238
>Low IQ response
you browse mises.org

[Anonymous No.15102277]

>>15102238
>It's quite a bit more complicated than that.
Obviously, it´s just the basic structure (Free market->concentration of power in private hands->private power uses state as tool for it´s agenda). But I haven´t asked for details, because those are not interesting. I asked how do you propose to throw a wrench to stop it.

[Anonymous No.15102332]

Don't hate the rich. Hate that the poor are treated so poorly. Hate that there is an unspoken necessity for the prolongation of poverty ("I won't make enough turbo-profit if I have to pay my peons a good living!"). Hate the structural incentives which pit the poor against the rich, and which motivate the rich to eat the poor. Normally the rich eat the poor, why should "eat the rich!" be such a barbaric statement!

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>>15102087
>communism has won.
Oh.

>>15102201
Ah, a Musk-ovite bourgeois. Yes, you’ll do fine in your postmodernist house and plastic wife. The screams from the crumbling outside world won’t bother you one bit. The kids might not bitch you out for bringing them into a dying world.
But you’re nothing but a Randroid egotist

[Anonymous No.15102372]

>>15102262
You haven't actually argued against anything I said, because you are low IQ. You don't understand what economics is. Maybe you understand pie-in-the-sky neoliberal economic theory, but you don't understand economics at a low-level. Essentially you can program in Python, but not x86 Assembly.

>>15102277
>I asked how do you propose to throw a wrench to stop it.
In our current system? You can't. There would have to be a revolution or an event that causes the economy/currency to totally collapse, and we would start fresh. People think UBI is an answer, but it's just a bandaid. It is simply another way to keep the current system from crashing. No matter which route we take, we will probably see a situation in our lifetime where people reach a boiling point and they start checking out of the system in various ways. That could be through the building of a parallel economic system (bitcoin, gold, or something similar), or through a direct revolution (very unlikely IMO, most people would rather roll over and die). It is a game that is out of your control, so you simply have to check out. Collect your paycheck, pay your taxes/debts, and then put your money in something you actually value.

[Anonymous No.15102422]

>>15102372
>In our current system? You can't. There would have to be a revolution or an event that causes the economy/currency to totally collapse, and we would start fresh
Fair enough.
>That could be through the building of a parallel economic system (bitcoin, gold, or something similar), or through a direct revolution (very unlikely IMO, most people would rather roll over and die).
This makes no sense. In case of "economy totally collapsing" hundreds of millions of people would die and there would be utter chaos across the globe.

But what is your position exactely? "This system is gay, let it die, whatever comes after I don´t care" or "The system should die, but liberalism must be preserved and reborn in a better form"?

[cunt No.15102441]

>>15102087
>escaped extreme poverty
isn't the definition of poverty according to the UN or something like $1-$2 a day? That not what I would call escaped from poverty.

[cunt No.15102446]

>>15102068
>Oil has reached its peak
Butterfly you make me so so horny. I'm glad your here and i'm glad your really fucking intelligent. Sometimes I just think about how smart you are as a female and I want to cum, thanks ;)

[cunt No.15102452]

>>15102446
Also I will never stop white knighting for you <3

[Anonymous No.15102459]

>>15099344
>RICH PEOPLE ARE RICH BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN US!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS ISN'T CRASSUS'S FAULT!!!!!!! WE'RE OWNING THE LIBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.15102489]

>>15102459
Neck yourself, you historylet. Crassus was self made.a

[Anonymous No.15102511]

>>15102422
>This makes no sense. In case of "economy totally collapsing" hundreds of millions of people would die and there would be utter chaos across the globe.
I never said that there wouldn't be pain. At the same time you have to realize our current system is based on nothing but fiat currency and debt, so if it went away tomorrow the only people that would actually lose anything are debt holders. We would still have hard assets on the other side. Farmers and farm equipment wouldn't disappear. Houses are already built. Computers and internet infrastructure would still exist. The US would still have an absurdly large military. Demand would totally disappear except for essentials, so manufacturing wouldn't be necessary for the moment. There would absolutely chaos/rioting in major cities (read: minority communities) across the world, but that won't be an immediate issue if you live far enough away from the city and own guns/ammo.
>But what is your position exactely? "This system is gay, let it die, whatever comes after I don´t care" or "The system should die, but liberalism must be preserved and reborn in a better form"?
This system is gay and it will die. I absolutely care what comes after. I might sound blackpilled, but I am not. I am just trying to make sense of what I see before me. I see a lot of middle-class people pissed off at the system because their standard of living is going way down, while their communities are also being destroyed (job outsourcing and importation of ungrateful minorities). I don't honestly know what would happen on the other side of this, but it's likely that localities will become more important which is a positive. People who don't assimilate won't be tolerated. Essentially society will be snapped back into its senses. Honestly, I don't know though. All you can really do is prepare for it and hope things don't get too bad.

[Anonymous No.15102521]

Why this FAGGOT got his arm in his coat like that? Is he lactating? Freemason faggot HA

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15102576]

>>15102521
Its cold

[Anonymous No.15102644]

>>15102576
Doubt it

[Anonymous No.15102670]

>>15099694
Upper middle class arent rich in the US

[Anonymous No.15102679]

>>15102511
>I never said that there wouldn't be pain.
I don´t care about moral implications. The problem here would be the chaos coming out from wars, poverty and political extremism making the world unpredictable. And that´s not even touching the nuclear stockpiles.

>I absolutely care what comes after
But you don´t know how to assure that it´s going to be this "liberalism free of bad minorities" you desire. You will wait apathetically and hope you will get your free market when the mess is over. Interesting position, but very wishful.

[Anonymous No.15102680]

>>15102211
Visit China

[Anonymous No.15102716]

>>15098380
You can't stop hating the rich but if you hang up enough with the poor you will start hating them too.

[Anonymous No.15102790]

Honestly? I don't even hate the rich that much, I hate all the overmotivated normalfag overachievers, who happily work 80 hours a week to try and make it... and even then, I don't have them per se, I hate how prevelant they have become, so that it is nearly impossible to live a comfy life with a < 40 hr work week, because you have to compete with these idiots and there is enough of them that you are easily replaceable no matter your skills.

All the respect to the ones who actually HAVE TO work those hours to survive! I hope you'll find a better life.

[Anonymous No.15102818]

>>15102489
Completely missed the point, he was a self made man who built his enormous wealth from dabbing on plebs and he was a complete fucking idiot. Wealth only signals an iq above 100, it's a retard test, not an intelligence test. Wealthy people are wealthy because of traits that have nothing to do with intelligence beyond being able to read a high school level book and do division and multiplication. Do not come at me with the 0.001% of the ultra wealthy genius autists who discovered something, it means nothing, the other 99.99% are not smarter than you. Jeff bezos literally said he became an entrepreneur because he wasn't intelligent enough to become a theoretical physicist

[Anonymous No.15103846]

>>15102441
That's because you're extremely wealthy by global standards.

[Anonymous No.15103873]

>>15102459
>>RICH PEOPLE ARE RICH BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN US!
This is literally true. Rich people spend all day working and problem solving. We middle class NEETS spend all day shitposting. And as for the "poor" it's best we avert our eyes to the endless stream of reality TV

[Anonymous No.15103979]

>>15102211
Lol the mask slipped. You're such a dogmatic fuck no matter what I source I posted you'll just claim it was fake data.

[Anonymous No.15104014]

>>15098396
Fucking this.

[Anonymous No.15104211]

>>15098380
The rich are weak, nothing to envy

[Anonymous No.15104612]

>>15098380
You can't, so just start hating every other class as well, because everyone everywhere is a fucking piece of shit somehow.
Pay attention for about a week, you can't miss how awful everyone is.

[Anonymous No.15104627]

>>15099651
This guy gets it.
Everything is terrible and there's no fixing it.

[Anonymous No.15104645]

>>15099700
>One does not have the same opportunities to become wealthy anymore
No one ever did. That's a strangely persistent meme, that things were ever particularly different.
The only real differences are terminology and medications, between today and 3,000 years ago

[Anonymous No.15104673]

>>15102068
It isn't that more people are becoming poor, it's that there's more people.
7 billion is a big number.

[Anonymous No.15104679]

>>15099344
Anyone with over 100k is rich.

[Anonymous No.15104701]

>>15102196
Just because life was different in the past doesn't mean that the problems weren't bad.
Amoxicillin and Aspirin fixed some major problems, which in turn revealed and generated new ones. That's how it always works. You trade one problem for another. This doesn't mean there wasn't a problem before.
Read Our Synthetic Environment by Bookchin or Ecology Of Freedom or even Alan Weisman's The World Without Us

[Anonymous No.15104733]

>>15104679
I'm much more angry about the top ten billionaires who each have between 40 and 70 billion in liquid assets.
That's much more fucked up to me when I hear about how "everyone would be poor under socialism because there isn't enough money in the world to fund it".
Such a glaring ignorance of how many obscenely rich people there are.

[Anonymous No.15105107]

>>15098380
marx but only if you understand him

[Anonymous No.15105367]

>>15104673
>I-It's overpopulation!
No, you have 7 billion people and still more than enough food and houses and resources for all of them in the planet. And you are completely dismissing the fact that 10 000 world's richest mofos hold more than 50% of the world's wealth, and this only getting worse.

[Anonymous No.15105534]

The only way to stop hating the rich is to become rich. So I suggest you start by getting off 4chan.

[Anonymous No.15105564]

>>15104733
>top ten billionaires who each have between 40 and 70 billion in liquid assets.
wake up, they don't. All the 'top ten billionaires' are literal government agents working with the CIA.
>it just happens that every self-made entrepreneur guy who build surveillance systems for a living are the richest people in the world
yeah yeah, whatever helps you tolerate serfdom

[Anonymous No.15105588]

>>15098380

Just participate and attend to celebrity culture/ ie the dominant culture

[Anonymous No.15105610]

>>15104733
>That's much more fucked up to me when I hear about how "everyone would be poor under socialism because there isn't enough money in the world to fund it".
That's true though

[Anonymous No.15105615]

>>15104733
>I'm much more angry about the top ten billionaires who each have between 40 and 70 billion in liquid assets.
They don't have that though

[Anonymous No.15105633]

>>15105367
does that fact makes your life worse?

[Anonymous No.15105640]

>>15104733
that's called envy

[Anonymous No.15105670]

>>15105367
>And you are completely dismissing the fact that 10 000 world's richest mofos hold more than 50% of the world's wealth, and this only getting worse.
So what?

[Anonymous No.15105701]

>>15098380
Marx didn't hated the rich. He hated Capital apologists, and political economy.

[Anonymous No.15105769]

>>15105633
>Does the fact that 10k people own more money than half the planet and have way more power to influence the world economy, politics around them for their self interest affect you or make your life worse?
Yes, it kinda does.
>>15105670
Oh, nothing. Just pointing out that overpopulation isnt that big of a justification to why somany people get poor and impoverished, and its more the fact that a super small number of people hold an absurd amount of wealth and power that allow them to keep getting more rich and powerful.
I could very well argue that it would be to your best interest to take them down if you arent part of that 0,0001% group but im not going to.

[Anonymous No.15105793]

>>15105769
>and its more the fact that a super small number of people hold an absurd amount of wealth and power that
Demonstrate this. Show your work

[Anonymous No.15105826]

>>15105793
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B
Kinda weird having to explain that wealthy big corporation owners have more power and influence over politics than your average middle class smuck in 2020 but ok.

[Anonymous No.15105879]

>>15105826
No demonstrate that the existence of rich people is responsible for the existence of poor people

[Anonymous No.15105882]

>>15105793
>Please explain to me how 5 rich guys that own and control over half of the companies in some country, control wages over tons of people, infrastructure and services have large influence over their countries interests and influences over political parties and other institutions bruh.
Not even your average libtard denies this at this point, you are either super naive or just wasting people's time to nitpick about any tiny shit someone says to prove some small point

[Anonymous No.15105892]

>>15105882
>control wages over tons of people,
They don't though. Marginal productivity of labor controls that

[Anonymous No.15105897]

>>15105879
>Please demonstrate to me how someone having 80% of the world's water means that the rest is going to be left with 20%

[Anonymous No.15105905]

>>15105897
Your moving the goalposts from a discussion of the super rich to the upper middle class.

[Anonymous No.15105912]

>>15105897
Who has 80% of the world's water?

[Anonymous No.15105927]

>>15105879
Demonstrate that resources are infinite, because that's the only way infinite growth could ever be possible

[Anonymous No.15105938]

>>15105912
He's making a simile, but Nestlé lol

[Anonymous No.15105939]

>>15105927
I never claimed it was.

[Anonymous No.15105948]

>>15105905
Where? How did i move to upper middle class?
>>15105912
I must be really chatting with monkeys at this point

[Anonymous No.15105974]

>>15105948
The super rich don't control 80% of anything

[Anonymous No.15105980]

>>15105897
Wut?

[Anonymous No.15105986]

>>15105948
I asked you to demonstrate the causal connection between the existence of rich people and poverty and you asked me some random hypothetical about a guy with lots of water. Your arguments are quite obscure

[Anonymous No.15105990]

>>15105892
>Neoclassic economics
Cringe

[Anonymous No.15105996]

>>15105990
>non arguments
Cringe

[Anonymous No.15106001]

Read Nietzsche and ignore every marxist philosopher

[Anonymous No.15106021]

>>15105986
He made a simile to show you how retarded you sound.
It was a good simile, and effectively proved how self-evidently ridiculous your claim is (people holding most of the limited resources are why other people don't have those same resources. True if it's money or water or rice.)

[Anonymous No.15106022]

>>15105974
>>15105980
>>15105986
Damn we got the whole circus here. Or maybe someone samefagging.

[Anonymous No.15106044]

just make an immutable law that every worker of a big business may choose to be paid in company stock whenever he wishes to do so
there, have your fucking revolution

[Anonymous No.15106122]

>>15106021
No it's not. The quantity of rice is not fixed.

[Anonymous No.15106136]

>>15106022
If all the money of the super rich were distributed to everyone else it would be barely noticeable

[Anonymous No.15106163]

>>15106122
Variability is not infinity you idiot

[Anonymous No.15106171]

>>15106163
I never claimed it was extremely intelligent internet user

[Anonymous No.15106174]

>>15106136
Then you shouldn't mind trying it

[Anonymous No.15106185]

>>15106171
You're doing a great impression of intellectual dishonesty though.

[Anonymous No.15106189]

>>15106174
Do you know what an incentive is?

[Anonymous No.15106194]

>>15106174
well industry and the economy in general would immediately collapse

[Anonymous No.15106198]

>>15106185
How so super enlightened litizen?

[Anonymous No.15106275]

>>15099344
Most rich people were born rich and grow richer every day as their assets appreciate. They grow richer as they sleep off the backs of the poor and middle-classes around the world. The self-made millionaire is almost a myth.

[Anonymous No.15106303]

>>15106136
I was merely answering questions and calls for "demonstations"
My point was that having a wealthy elite controlling and having so much power creates a large unequality that impacts the lives of many in a negative way that keeps increasing even when you have more than enough resources for everyone on the planet, and i proved it and gave you the links. Making scenarios of people having suddenly all the same amount of money only are just retarded speculation here as it would imply a lot of shit aswell. And i dont want to fall into a shitty socialist vs capitalist society discussion.
At this point we are just moving the goalpost.

[Anonymous No.15106323]

>>15106275
>Most rich people were born rich and grow richer every day as their assets appreciate
*citation needed

[Anonymous No.15106331]

>>15106303
>My point was that having a wealthy elite controlling and having so much power creates a large unequality that impacts the lives of many in a negative way that keeps increasing even when you have more than enough resources for everyone on the planet,
Right and you never once provided a single speck of evidence to back that up

[Anonymous No.15106346]

>>15106323
>citation needed
You should try going outside and talking to people, but these things are searchable using the internet.

[Anonymous No.15106352]

>>15106331
You haven't given any proof either.
And yet you are the one making negative claims.
Weird

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15106366]

>>15105633
It does. And it makes a lot of other people’s lives worse too. It also threatens a sustainable future for all.

>>15105670
Bootlicker

[Anonymous No.15106432]

>>15106366
Bootlicker

[Anonymous No.15106445]

>>15106346
90% of the people on the Forbes billionaire list did not inherit their money. You are lying.

[Anonymous No.15106455]

>>15106352
Proof of what?

[Anonymous No.15106474]

>>15106366
tranny

[Anonymous No.15106475]

>>15104679
guess im rich lol

[Anonymous No.15106488]

>>15106474
based

[Anonymous No.15106616]

>>15106331
>Right and you never once provided a single speck of evidence to back that up
Oh for fucks sake, are you really that retarded that your memory cant recall the whole conversation?
Go check the links i gave you, and actually look for how CEO payments rose in 1970s and the productivity pay gap.

[Anonymous No.15106650]

>>15106323
I would love to give the links for you but 4channel thinks that they are spam so, you are gonna have to google yourself for this.
"The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the richest families in Florence"
"Surnames and Social Mobility in England, 1170–2012"

[Anonymous No.15106712]

>>15106650
Traits like intelligence are highly heritable anon.

[Anonymous No.15106723]

>>15106616
You created a hypothetical about one man controlling 80% of earth's water. I couldn't figure out how that related to a discussion of wealth.

[Anonymous No.15106771]

>>15098380
Some dickhead who makes 6 figures 'restructuring' businesses is unlikable and ostentatious. But the guy who deserves your hate is in a class of rich person. And you should hate them.

[Anonymous No.15106779]

>>15106771
Why

[Anonymous No.15106801]

>>15106712
Not that much but sentences like that are proof you indeed lack mental capacity to look into those studies and find why they are rich.
>>15106723
God, do i really need to explain to you why i did a stupid simile scenario to show you how retarded your question with rich people was?
I thought you got the idea after some anon pointed out the joke, but your peanut sized brain cant still understand. You really are an idiot. And there is no point of going further with this discussion, i already gave you all the sources to dismantle your naive assumptions.

[Anonymous No.15106829]

>>15106275
My grandfather was a boomer self made millionaire and all the wealth in the family is from him. Everyone I went to school with are doctors and lawyers (also pieces of shit).
But everyone middle and lower class I've lived with or worked with have been no better - just poorer.
For these reasons I think not all rich are scum. But their innate scumminess can be expressed more harshly.
Living in communities of above average intelligence-attractiveness-wealthy people from the Isles or Scandinavia will make you think people are generally decent. Which is not the case. But they are.
Fixes for the rich problem:
Kill politicians who accumulate any wealth. 100% tax rates over 10mil pa.

[Anonymous No.15106858]

>>15106779
One sort of well off person is unreflective but studious. Others are scum and cause bad policy.

[Anonymous No.15106870]

>>15106801
>Not that much but sentences like that are proof you indeed lack mental capacity to look into those studies and find why they are rich.
Its behind a paywall mr. Super smart 4chan user

[Anonymous No.15106880]

>>15102680
This. The first time I visited Guangzhou my illusion of the west as being more developed was shattered. Sure the Chinese countryside is almost as bad as India, but their cities have us beat. A lot can be accomplished in a one-party state.

[Anonymous No.15106884]

>>15106870
Second one isnt and you can download the whole file of the study.

[Anonymous No.15106888]

>>15106801
>stupid simile scenario to show you how retarded your question with rich people was?
You still have not explained it. You acted like a child with your cute little similes that have no connection to the discussion.

[Anonymous No.15106895]

>>15106829
Agreed, I'm not arguing that rich people are worse than poor people, just that they are as detestable

[Anonymous No.15106902]

>>15106858
Bad policy is caused by the poor

[Anonymous No.15106908]

>>15106870
Ironic as fuck that you're a poorfag

[Anonymous No.15106916]

>>15106902
>Implying democracy exists

[Anonymous No.15106921]

>>15106888
Intellectual dishonesty is running wild.
I understood the connection, maybe you're just retarded

[Anonymous No.15106931]

>>15106888
My fucking god, you are indeed stupid as hell. Please, please for the love of god go read the thread again and the people that replied to you SLOWLY.
If you genuinely cant establish the connection you might aswell just leave the thread and go play with legos.

[Anonymous No.15106940]

>>15106916
It doesn't thank god

[Anonymous No.15106949]

>>15106908
I'm not paying 40 dollars for a 4chan argument.

[Anonymous No.15106966]

>>15106931
Ok I'll try one more time. Do you believe that the super rich cause poverty? If so, why?

[Anonymous No.15107002]

>>15106884
I'm reading it. What am I supposed to conclude from it? The paper freely admits that from parent to child the correlation is weak. This suggests that these families tend to posses certain genetic traits that allow them to keep reaching the top.

[Anonymous No.15107007]

>>15106895
Very fair. Eugenics now pls

[Anonymous No.15107033]

>>15106275
Retard

[Anonymous No.15107050]

>>15098380
stop being money-obsessed

[Anonymous No.15107107]

>>15107002
If that is what you conclude then. The whole conclusion is that social status is indeed more inhereted than height and social mobility is indeed low. "Social mobility in England in 2012 was little greater than in preindustrial times."
I really think its naive to assume that pseudo social darwinism is the reason why they are rich.
>>15106966
Im not gonna answer stuff that i already gave answers.

[Anonymous No.15107132]

>>15105879
Private property of the means of production, enforced through violence (police) and sanctions (laws).
No private property of the means of production, obviously no rich, and no poor.

[Anonymous No.15108390]

>>15105897
Mr. Super Intelligent Internet User, if one person in a room has 80% of the room's knowledge doesn't that mean the other people can only have 20%

[Anonymous No.15108414]

>>15108390
Yes it does, that's how math works.

[Anonymous No.15108472]

>>15108414
but the other people could increase their own knowledge if they wanted to, no?

[Anonymous No.15108488]

>>15106829
Any form of taxation is theft.

[Anonymous No.15108504]

>>15106275
But someone, somewhere, had to figure out how to become rich and pass the money on generations. There's nothing impeding you from becoming rich, really, except your stupidity.

[Anonymous No.15108516]

>>15108390
>Mr. Super intelligent thinks intelligence is quantifiable and totally the same compared to money and other finite and limited resources.
>Yes we if give everyone in the world 10 billion dollars we will totally have the same buy power as the bilionares previously had. This is how markets work.
Literally how many more monkeys can we spot that dont get the message?

[Anonymous No.15108525]

>>15108472
Not if one guy has 80% of the knowledge and they have 20%. He could give them his knowledge and then they'd have 100%. Or they could teach him and he'd have 100%, but sorry, if there's a finite amount of knowledge and one guy has a fixed amount and they have the rest that's that.
I mean, your example is fucking dumb, but here we are.
Knowledge in general is theoretically limitless. Resources on planet earth are not. There is no way to generate more stuff out of thin air.

But your example says that there's a finite amount of knowledge in the room and one guy has 80% of it. So no, there can't be more knowledge generated.
Because knowledge is not something that is tangible, it can be shared between parties, I make a copy in my head.
I can't just learn your bmw.

[Anonymous No.15108577]

https://youtu.be/CEnLDxHem7s

[Anonymous No.15108583]

>>15108525
>There is no way to generate more stuff out of thin air.
your denying the existence of economic growth doesn't exist then?

[Anonymous No.15108608]

>>15108583
Economic growth is limited by real resources. This is why there's Boom-Bust bubble cycles built in.
There's no way to make money from nothing except by scamming people.
Like Bitcoin Pump-n-dump scams using botnets.

That's why a fucking virus just imploded a supposedly invincible Trump boom.