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>Kaczynski
>Spengler
>Evola
>Guenon

>> No.15176727

>>15176720
Spengler is based. What do you have against him?

>> No.15176734
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Anyone who's important reads spengler

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>>15176727
>historical laws
>metanarratives
>cyclical time
>great man theory
>limited set of data points and questionable methodology full of biases

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>>15176734
True.

>> No.15176755

>>15176727
He was a full on mystic

>> No.15176760

>>15176734
>>15176749
Hacks.

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>>15176746
>metanarratives

>> No.15176769

>>15176746
yeah but calling cathedrals, perspective oil painting, the age of exploration, infinitesmal calculus, shakespeare's plays, and counterpoint the expression of a metaphysical prime symbol of will striving for an infinite horizon is based. It doesnt matter that it's wildly untrue it is based.

>> No.15176777

>>15176769
Based upon what?

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>>15176760
Name one of your favorite theorists that had a greater impact on the world order

>> No.15176783

>>15176760
>Anyone who likes what I dislike is a hack

>> No.15176787

>>15176777
Exactly and checked. Based. I love spengler

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you forgot

>Mishima

>> No.15176791

>>15176778
Me.

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>>15176783
Yes.

>> No.15176830

>>15176789
what an embarrassing LARPing faggot

>> No.15176868

>>15176789
>dressing like a warrior on Thursday
>getting assfucked on Friday

>> No.15176908

>>15176720
>Marx
>Foucault
>Zizek
or even worse
>american popsci applied to social theories

>> No.15177045
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Spengler was very influential, unlike the other three.
Though Guenon is sitll based.

>> No.15177054

>>15176746
>cyclical time
giga based

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>Psychoanalysis

>> No.15177084

>>15177054
cyclical is a poor word for Spengler though. There should be a word that refers to the idea of individual civilizations as distinct organisms. These organisms do follow a life cycle but it's not like you can just map an eternal cycle onto any part of the world.

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>cognitive science

>> No.15177102

>>15177084
It's more parabolic than cyclical for individual civilizations, but civilizations as a whole are cyclical, as there can never be an ending to civilizations or history.

>> No.15177103

Why is Guenon always associated with violent edgelords? He had a big hardon for metaphysics and tradition, but he wasn't a bloodthirsty idiot like Evola and most of his ilk.

>> No.15177104

>>15177084
>These organisms do follow a life cycle but it's not like you can just map an eternal cycle onto any part of the world.
isn't this pretty much Marx thought?

>> No.15177108

>>15176868
>>15176830
That's a myth. Mishima was heterosexual.

>> No.15177115

>>15176720
Tired of them? Of course you are because non of them wrote a classic like Oblomov.

>> No.15177122

>>15177104
Marx believed that history would end with materialism, while Spengler believed that only the West could ever end with it, and that any other civilization that adopted Marxism was either only very superficially doing so, or it would be transformed to such an extent that it would die like the West will.
Also Spengler's views are inherently metaphysical and idealistic, which clashes with Marx' materialism.

>> No.15177130

>>15177102
Imagine that each civilization is actually an animal though(or a tree or whatever). The history of humanity is just the history of 12-20 trees growing in various places out of the base material of human populations in an area, and then dwindling again.

There might one day be no more trees because the soil is barren or the air is toxic. This is very different than the cycles in Hindu history for example.

>> No.15177209

>>15177108
There are gay letters.

>> No.15177257

>>15177045
The thing I don't get is why even have children or give a shit about the arts if our culture is already fatalistically predestined by Spengler to die.

>> No.15177311

>>15177257
You're supposed to embody the very best of your civilization's soul in the face of doom, like the soldier who refused to flee Pompeii.

>> No.15178061

>>15176746
The fact that cyclical historians like Vico, Spengler, Danilevski, Sorokin, have all come to roughly the same conclusion tells me there's truth in what they say.

>> No.15179029

>>15176720
spengler is fine. the other 3 are pseud trash tho

>> No.15179119

>>15176769
>it's wildly untrue
Okay then what is your counter to Spengler then if it's all untrue?

>> No.15179158

>>15176789
Mishima was a serious, respected writer though.

>> No.15179189

>>15176720
The first two are ingenious and thoroughly insightful. Of the other I know little about nor did I read them.

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>>15176720
>Evola
seethe

>> No.15179311

>>15177045
>Spengler was very influential, unlike the other three.
I'd say Evola's esoteric work and his translations were pretty influential.

>> No.15179317

>>15176868
>He doesn't know about 'the way of the samurai'
they were all faggots anon

>> No.15179458

>>15179158
He was a little weird, though. He once told a room full of jeering students that he concluded that the Shōwa Emperor is genuinely divine because he could sit still for three hours straight.

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