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>> No.15176727

Spengler is based. What do you have against him?

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Anyone who's important reads spengler

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>historical laws
>cyclical time
>great man theory
>limited set of data points and questionable methodology full of biases

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>> No.15176755

He was a full on mystic

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>> No.15176769

yeah but calling cathedrals, perspective oil painting, the age of exploration, infinitesmal calculus, shakespeare's plays, and counterpoint the expression of a metaphysical prime symbol of will striving for an infinite horizon is based. It doesnt matter that it's wildly untrue it is based.

>> No.15176777

Based upon what?

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Name one of your favorite theorists that had a greater impact on the world order

>> No.15176783

>Anyone who likes what I dislike is a hack

>> No.15176787

Exactly and checked. Based. I love spengler

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you forgot


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>> No.15176830

what an embarrassing LARPing faggot

>> No.15176868

>dressing like a warrior on Thursday
>getting assfucked on Friday

>> No.15176908

or even worse
>american popsci applied to social theories

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Spengler was very influential, unlike the other three.
Though Guenon is sitll based.

>> No.15177054

>cyclical time
giga based

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>> No.15177084

cyclical is a poor word for Spengler though. There should be a word that refers to the idea of individual civilizations as distinct organisms. These organisms do follow a life cycle but it's not like you can just map an eternal cycle onto any part of the world.

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>cognitive science

>> No.15177102

It's more parabolic than cyclical for individual civilizations, but civilizations as a whole are cyclical, as there can never be an ending to civilizations or history.

>> No.15177103

Why is Guenon always associated with violent edgelords? He had a big hardon for metaphysics and tradition, but he wasn't a bloodthirsty idiot like Evola and most of his ilk.

>> No.15177104

>These organisms do follow a life cycle but it's not like you can just map an eternal cycle onto any part of the world.
isn't this pretty much Marx thought?

>> No.15177108

That's a myth. Mishima was heterosexual.

>> No.15177115

Tired of them? Of course you are because non of them wrote a classic like Oblomov.

>> No.15177122

Marx believed that history would end with materialism, while Spengler believed that only the West could ever end with it, and that any other civilization that adopted Marxism was either only very superficially doing so, or it would be transformed to such an extent that it would die like the West will.
Also Spengler's views are inherently metaphysical and idealistic, which clashes with Marx' materialism.

>> No.15177130

Imagine that each civilization is actually an animal though(or a tree or whatever). The history of humanity is just the history of 12-20 trees growing in various places out of the base material of human populations in an area, and then dwindling again.

There might one day be no more trees because the soil is barren or the air is toxic. This is very different than the cycles in Hindu history for example.

>> No.15177209

There are gay letters.

>> No.15177257

The thing I don't get is why even have children or give a shit about the arts if our culture is already fatalistically predestined by Spengler to die.

>> No.15177311

You're supposed to embody the very best of your civilization's soul in the face of doom, like the soldier who refused to flee Pompeii.

>> No.15178061

The fact that cyclical historians like Vico, Spengler, Danilevski, Sorokin, have all come to roughly the same conclusion tells me there's truth in what they say.

>> No.15179029

spengler is fine. the other 3 are pseud trash tho

>> No.15179119

>it's wildly untrue
Okay then what is your counter to Spengler then if it's all untrue?

>> No.15179158

Mishima was a serious, respected writer though.

>> No.15179189

The first two are ingenious and thoroughly insightful. Of the other I know little about nor did I read them.

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>> No.15179311

>Spengler was very influential, unlike the other three.
I'd say Evola's esoteric work and his translations were pretty influential.

>> No.15179317

>He doesn't know about 'the way of the samurai'
they were all faggots anon

>> No.15179458

He was a little weird, though. He once told a room full of jeering students that he concluded that the Shōwa Emperor is genuinely divine because he could sit still for three hours straight.

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