Suicide of a Superpower

[Anonymous No.15178807]

Was Buchanan right? I don't really see how the U.S. is going to remain the dominant power this century, especially with the rapid rise of China we simply do not have the human capital at this point.
Everything he predicted in this book is visible today.
Does /lit/ think the U.S. will balkanize? If so, what year? Buchanan thinks around 2025. Vox Day thinks Around 2030.
Either way, this is a good read. I recommend it.

[Anonymous No.15178811]

YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS

[Anonymous No.15178814]

China is not a stable country

[Anonymous No.15178877]

>>15178814
It's far more stable than the U.S. They are explicitly ethnonationalists. They are an authoritarian country that crushes attempts at ideological subversion. I believe the U.S. is dead and China is the future. So did many of my professors in University. Especially the foreign ones.

[Anonymous No.15178945]

>>15178877
>So did many of my professors in University.
Of course, the """""""""""""""""""""""intellectuals""""""""""""""""""""""", aka the guys sitting on their asses and playing armchair politician

[Anonymous No.15178992]

>>15178945
Most of them were economists and my computer engineering professors. The humanities professors hate China for being "authoritarian'.

[Anonymous No.15179506]

>>15178877
lol you're literally retarded. China has one of the most extreme disparities on the planet - the country is unrecognizable between the highly developed coast, the relatively poor, underdeveloped middle, and the oppressed western regions. While it's 99% Asian, there are literally 46 different ethnic groups within it. Most are East Asian, but some are Central Asian and Southeast Asian. Protests are getting more intense.

How did you get this fucking stupid? It's like you chose to use them as an argument for ethno-nationalism and authoritarianism, without bothering to research them at all.

[Anonymous No.15179555]

It's so hard not to see recent developments as planned, or at least steered. US is a superpower and the sole inheritor of world empire after the collapse of the USSR. Now what? Undermine them from within, cause as much degeneracy as possible in as little time as possible, turn everyone into fucking trannies and import all kinds of problems that are notoriously hard to fix like racial tensions and a population dying of ennui-induced drug addictions, etc.

It sure sets the stage real fucking nice for a post-national financial clique. I guess a strong America with a psychologically healthy citizenry just couldn't be allowed to inherit the world.

[Anonymous No.15179627]

>>15178807

Na, China relies completely on the US to get oil shipments from the middle east. Their shipping lane is FUCKED, OH MY GOD, SO FUCKED. INDIA, IRAN, FUCKING JAPAN, BOTH KOREAS, AND A BUNCH OF OTHER FUCKERS WHO HATE CHINESE GUTS.

China stops being a nation when the US stops letting them be one.

[Anonymous No.15179665]

I don’t think we’ll see balkanization by 2030 or possibly at all. Cultural ties are too deep and broad in America to be broken up regionally. Increasingly, the cultural divide is between the rural and urban, not between regions. It’s hard to even imagine an economic scenario that could catalyze such a thing along regional lines aside from maybe an extremely severe oil crisis, but assuming the catalyst would be economic, China would struggle to escape the fallout from that. Russia is really the only completely self sufficient nation with geopolitical power to threaten American hegemony.

[Anonymous No.15179681]

Xi will be about 10in shorter in a couple years. China is overdue for a collapse.
>>15178877
False. Parasites need a host. Bugs can't think for themselves.

[Anonymous No.15179695]

>>15178807
Pat is based but I think this book is a bit alarmist.

Otherwise Pat is a genius, he is the man we should have had as President.

[Anonymous No.15179702]

if the US stays at a constant state of war like it has for the past few decades it will continue to mobilize its military industrial complex better than any other country

[Anonymous No.15179709]

>>15178807
>rise of China
China is currently being wiped out. They won't be a superpower anymore by 2021.

[Anonymous No.15179711]

>>15179506
It's 90% Han, you retard

[Anonymous No.15179713]

>>15179665
But all said and done, russia is a bit of a paper tiger economically

[Anonymous No.15179715]

>>15178807
USA isn't going to stop being a dominant power, it's going to stop being THE dominant power. In fact, there won't be a single dominant power at all. We'll be in a multipolar world.
It won't balkanize because it is too big to fail. Half the world would scramble to back a fascist regime if even a single inch of the USA made viable motions to leave. Too much international intelligence, security, finance, trade, military, etc. bullshit is tied into it. The US government is also unbeatable in a civil war scenario. Libertarians with AR-15s can't fight off drone swarms, end of story.

[Anonymous No.15179737]

>>15179627
They shate a border with Russia. They'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.15179742]

Can we all just collectively take a shit on the idea of US balkinization? The entirty of the US's domestic plan after the civil war was to completely fuck a state's ability to be economically self-reliant, even a group of states pulling out would completely fuck their economies. It's just not a viable idea

[Anonymous No.15179745]

>>15179715
>The US government is also unbeatable in a civil war scenario. Libertarians with AR-15s can't fight off drone swarms, end of story
An insurgency can't be handled with drone strikes, or missiles, or tanks, or aircraft carriers. A large enough insurgency in the US would be a nightmare for the government. It would basically just be coordinated assassination attempts and the only way to deal with it would be a total police state.

[Anonymous No.15179747]

>>15178807
>balkanize
How? There is almost no real division between Americans from coast to coast that would make regional nationalism possible. The big divide in the USA is rural conservatives vs urban progressives.
Anyway, both the USA and China are fucked because of climate change. Canada, Norway, and Russia are the future.

[Anonymous No.15179765]

>>15179665
Where are you from? Cause secession is very popular talk here in middle America.

[Anonymous No.15179782]

If the US and China went into an open shooting war the Chinese would lose it and it would be a disaster for them. That's why their moves against the United States have been economic and social so far.

But the coronavirus has been a black swan that has scuttled all their plans. All of a sudden they are having to fall back on their tired of hypernationalism, all while the entire rest of the world is suddenly angry at them to an extent that it has undermined their years of careful diplomacy. All of China's endeavors are being undone by the virus. And now Sino-American relations are at a lower point than ever, and the possibility of war is higher than ever.

[Anonymous No.15179783]

>>15179715
Wrong. Our country is too big and has too many choke points to run effective logistics. Also, you're forgetting we have a very large veteran population that knows how to manufacture IEDs. Not to mention there's significant overlap between out military and the Militias. There will be defections.

[Anonymous No.15179784]

>all these seething westerners

[Anonymous No.15179790]

>>15179742
Our economy is already fucked, anyway. I honestly see secession in the next 20 years.

[Anonymous No.15179799]

>>15179747
It's going to be a rural/urban split. This also seems to be happening in places like France as well

[Anonymous No.15179822]

>>15179742
I think Alaska secession might be possible, but that's about it. No mainland state(s) are going anywhere. Alaska is filled with military veterans, survivalists, disgruntled soldiers who got the worst gig, and indigenous people who despise the US government. It's huge and already has a sizable secession movement that their supreme court had to tell off. I think they might try to secede if the mainland government tells them they have to give up their guns or something. Russia is on record saying they'll give full backing to any secession movement and I think China did as well.

[Anonymous No.15179835]

>>15179790
States are too reliant on fed gibs to do shit like that, it's simply not viable

[Anonymous No.15179845]

>>15179822
>I think Alaska secession might be possible, but that's about it
Haha fuck no alaska is the fed's bitch, more so than any other state

[Anonymous No.15179849]

>>15179822
how the fuck will alaska survive if it secedes

[Anonymous No.15179854]

>>15179799
The problem with that is that even the ruralest and reddest areas have at least one unwaveringly progressive city in their heart that wants nothing to do with it. And these cities hold most of the population. So are the rural people going to empty out the cities like Pol Pot and chase them into New York and California or what?

[Anonymous No.15179861]

>>15179711
The US is over 70 percent white. Yet it's still too black/hispanic for a faggot like you.

[Anonymous No.15179865]

>>15179861
no it's not. look up the actual "non-hispanic white" population.

[Anonymous No.15179866]

>>15179765
America. I know it’s popular talk. I don’t think it will happen.

[Anonymous No.15179867]

>>15179861
The USA is 52~% white, including MENA people. So probably more like 48% white.

[Anonymous No.15179872]

This century? No. Maybe a good chunk of it, but not the entire century. The US has way too much infighting now and growing that will sow the seeds of destruction.

Who will take its place? I don't know. Maybe it'll become a One World Govt. type shit -- or maybe One Continent Govt.

[Anonymous No.15179879]

>>15179783
Internal conflict is more detrimental than external, with regards to the US.

[Anonymous No.15179880]

>>15179854
>So are the rural people going to empty out the cities like Pol Pot and chase them into New York and California or what?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15179884]

>>15179872
>The US has way too much infighting now and growing that will sow the seeds of destruction
All democracies are like all the time holy fuck america isn't that special

[Anonymous No.15179901]

>>15178877
Chinese economy built on clay and sticks

[Anonymous No.15179916]

>>15179861
A large portion of that 70% is Hispanic

[Anonymous No.15179917]

>>15179861
It's not lmao, my dad is Mexican but his birth certificate says he's white. It's all bullshit

[Anonymous No.15179929]

>>15179783
>we have a very large veteran population that knows how to manufacture IEDs
I would think the veteran population with any actual experience with or knowledge of IEDs is actually quite low.

[Anonymous No.15179938]

>>15179783
vets are the biggest cuckolds there are, both literally and figuratively. they'd be the last to disobey uncle sam, or should i say uncle shmuel

[Anonymous No.15179939]

>>15179737

Yes, The Chinese 'Most Stable Country on the planet when people get hungry and the lights turn off in an oil crisis' State will enjoy endless delights from their massive, expensive, fuck-huge long ass pipeline from Siberia.

>that shit's like a fifth of the length of the globe dumbass

It will be a delight to watch a single gallon of crude make it to china before some radical who's parents were put in a concentration camp by the CCP runs a car into the damn thing and shuts the lights off for like. . . six months?

>the shate a border with russia. They'll be fine

they will not be fine, oh my god, they are so fucked anons. It makes my heart paplatate in my chest imagining how bad things are going to get over there.

FUCK there's nothing anyone can do, and they're going to eat eachotehr alive like how they eat fucking dogs. It's going to be the single blackest period of suffering in human history; WW2 was a fuckin kids show compared to the collapse of modern china.

Which is coming. Probably this year.

[Anonymous No.15179944]

>>15179939
why can't they just develop nuclear energy

[Anonymous No.15179953]

>>15179939
At the risk of sounding too much like a /pol/tard: let them die. They wanted to run with the big dogs and now it's biting them in the ass. Let them burn. We'll take the smart ones and shoot any of the rest of them who try to come here.

[Anonymous No.15179960]

>>15179742

It's the dumbest idea I've ever heard bandied about by anons.

They sound like middle schoolers lecturing someone about geo-politics, which is exactly what most of them are.

The US will NEVER allow itself to fracture, no matter the cost.

Just look at this corona-virus bullshit, we created trillions and trillions out of thin air just to keep the country from falling apart.

[Anonymous No.15179963]

>>15179953
why the fuck would the chinese flee to a failed state

[Anonymous No.15179979]

>>15179944

Better question, why isn't ANYONE developing nuclear power?

We've got space age reactor designs these days, and nobody is building them.

Why?

To answer your question, I have no idea.

[Anonymous No.15179982]

It is interesting to me that Pat Buchanan is a Catholic and he cannot see a potential source of internal division coming from his own religion. American Catholics have always had an ambivalent relationship with the United States government. Now you have the US Catholic intelligentsia bandying about ideas like Integralism and reviving the Confessor State, and saying Pius IX did nothing wrong in the Mortara Affair. The "truce" brokered between Reagan and John Paul II is pretty much dead, and now you have Catholics in positions of intellectual influence starting to recover their anti-Enlightenment traditions. TradCaths who follow the Latin Mass are also growing in number, though they're a small population right now, and they're not too keen on the "American Project" either.

I think the question will have to be raised: can you be a good Catholic and also be a good American? I've seen it raised some places already, and it may become a point of contention again, as it was in the 19th Century.

[Anonymous No.15179983]

There's several active secessionist movements but they're all useless and have no teeth.
>Vermont - full of hippies and woke transplants who came because of Bernie
>California - hates the rest of the country for being too conservative and not letting them have European style socialism, but they also hate guns and violence so they will never get anywhere
>Cascadia - greater California
>Alaska - dependent on the fed for everything even though the locals hate to admit it
>Southern states - might have been possible in the past, no longer possible because Hispanic and black people do not care about southern pride
>'Free Aztlan' - mostly just a thing for edgy chicanos to scare the local white folks, in reality they're all scared of guns
>Black nationalists - they are easily tamed by empty promises from the government
>New England - full of academic pussies, similar to California
>Native Decolonization Movement - most natives find these people to be completely insane
>Midwest - these states are only relevant because of military presence, they literally can't get anywhere, not to mention the landlocked problem
>Mormons - unironically the most likely, they control their territories from the top down, everything in their territory is in their palm, from the politicians to the cops to the national guard to even the military bases
So no. Not happening in this lifetime. USA will just become an increasingly strict police state in order to deal with the increasing division between cities and the countryside.

[Anonymous No.15180000]

>>15179979
Simple. Most of the populace consists of people who either love coal, oil, etc. for muh stock money and people who HATE nuclear because it sounds scary and want windmills for everything. The people who understand the potential of nuclear are a minority.

[Anonymous No.15180006]

The only thing that can bring down the US is the US.

This is why foreign actors such as China, and especially Russia in the digital realm, do so much to cause internal division within the states and political sphere.
The US has phenomenal geography that provides protection from invasion, an abundance of natural resources, millions of square miles of fertile soil, with deep and wide navigable rivers for commerce. It has large ports with access to both Asian and European markets at ease.
It has the 3rd largest population on earth, with the best technology, education (at the highest levels) and research and development.

Bipartisanship and balkanization is the greatest, and arguably only, threat to US hegemony.

[Anonymous No.15180014]

>>15178877
>They are an authoritarian country that crushes attempts at ideological subversion
This is a sign that the state is weak, not strong.

The CCP is shit scared of its people

[Anonymous No.15180016]

>>15179963

>failed state

Anon, you realize the US is so rich and prosperous that they've been fielding a global navy to defend all trade and shipping routes, including the ships of countries they are openly at war with, FOR FREE?

And they've been doing it for like. . . sixty or seventy years?

They've been subsidizing NATO countries by relieving them of the need of having a military, and doing it for free, because back in the day, it was a good way to beat the commies.

The Commies are gone. The US IS going to pull out, and suddenly they won't be spending 99 gorillion dollars a year on their military, and suddenly, any country that wants to continue being a country will be paying the US for the privilege of having their trade routes protected.

>failed state

The modern world exists, and is supported by, the US taxpayer's endless generosity.

That's why they elected Trump. He's not a president, he's an attack dog they released on their own government, and the governments of the rest of the planet.

>pic related

[Anonymous No.15180025]

>>15180016
You're a complete idiot. Trump is a neocon.

[Anonymous No.15180027]

>>15179960
>we created trillions and trillions out of thin air just to keep the country from falling apart.
Well, first of all it’s highly questionable whether it was “to keep the country from falling apart”. The richest people in the US have gained billions since this all started meanwhile unemployment is the highest it’s been since the Great Depression. Yeah, it saved the economy as we know it, but the economy as we know it is state sponsored usury. The other thing is one would think that printing their way out of every crisis is simply not sustainable. So, it’s really not a matter of NEVER allowing itself to fracture. It’s simply not a choice. When it gets to the point that people are hungry and resources are scarce, it’s possible that Texas fights the federal government for control of their oil fields, for example.

[Anonymous No.15180032]

>>15180016
>m-muh warfare
To think the biggest war in history of mankind was singlehandedly won by a communist state

[Anonymous No.15180036]

>>15180027
>Texas
Anon, the proud gun-toting Texas rangers you see in old movies no longer exist.

[Anonymous No.15180041]

>>15180025

You'll see soon enough.

>>15180032

I bet you've never even thought about how much iron and oil was in the average European country, or why there were all those empires back in the day. Or about where everybody was getting their food, God, that's a joke when you learn about it.

If you had, you would've had something smarter to say.

>Anons, the US could just stop selling China food, and they would starve. It's that simple.

[Anonymous No.15180046]

>>15180016
>The Commies are gone
>The US IS going to pull out
Yep. Any day now.

[Anonymous No.15180049]

>>15178807
>Does /lit/ think the U.S. will balkanize?
No, will just become irrelevant like all prior super powers

[Anonymous No.15180052]

>>15180032
I'm not the american retard, but are you dumb or just ignorant anon?
If the URSS could have taken Germany alone, they wouldn't have agreed to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. It was a war in multiple fronts, exactly what happened in WW1 and Hitler was trying to avoid.
Maybe you should go back to /his/.

[Anonymous No.15180054]

>>15180036
States have their own guard. I’m not talking about a bunch of armed civilians.

[Anonymous No.15180058]

>>15180016
lmao, imagine being this delusional. the us population is in poverty, out of work, hardly anyone own a home let alone can afford rent, standard of living keeps going down. but we have big gun.

[Anonymous No.15180065]

>>15180027

Personally? I think this whole thing is a gigantic scam.

Hear me out on this;

The US govt starts going full Brrrrr printing trillions of Fed notes. Just absolutely soaking, drowing the planet in fed notes.

They, like they are doing with the airlines, start providing corporate economic bailouts, but with a twist; the USG is buying stock with no option for a buyback.

They continue this process till they've nationalized all the key stragetic interests, then say 'oops, the fed note is worthless. Check out this new currency, it's called a treasury note. By the way, all of our debts are in fed notes.'

I think they're going for some weird hybrid corporate hybrid NatSoc where the government is merely a large shareholder, rather than in control, in American business.

I give this theory about a 40% chance of being right.

[Anonymous No.15180068]

>>15178807
>Was Buchanan right
Maybe, but he was doomed from the start because of the American political system mathematically preventing non-centrists from going anywhere.
>I don't really see how the U.S. is going to remain the dominant power this century
It won't be an unchallenged hegemon but it will still be a major world power for the foreseeable future
>especially with the rapid rise of China we simply do not have the human capital at this point
China will come to contest USA on the world stage, we are entering the second cold war as we speak. The USA and China are both rapid printing propaganda blaming one another for the virus.
>Does /lit/ think the U.S. will balkanize?
Absolutely not. There will be no boogaloo. It'll continue to slowly slide into a one party state with increasingly authoritarian measures in the name of national security. National AR-15 ban will probably come by 2030 and some people will die fighting, but almost everyone will regard them as morons on the level of the lockdown protesters. The USA isn't really a country, it's a business zone that snuffed out all the regional cultures ages ago.

[Anonymous No.15180073]

>>15180052
>they wouldn't have agreed to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact
Have you considered that maybe it's better to avoid a war than to fight?

Yet when it did happen, Nazis lost so hard at Stalingrad that they were pushed all the way back to Berlin, to lose once again.

[Anonymous No.15180074]

>>15180058

The only thing the US has to do to be instantly the richest population on the planet is just to say 'screw you guys, I'm going home', and letting the world tear itself apart.

Be grateful for peace, anon. Say 'God Bless America'.

[Anonymous No.15180077]

>>15180074
has to be bait

[Anonymous No.15180081]

>>15180068
Seriously the best answer so far even though I disagree with you on China

[Anonymous No.15180086]

>>15180074
I wish they had done this decades ago instead of actively ruining dozens of countries' economies and governments just for laffs

[Anonymous No.15180092]

>>15179861
Isnt han chines the equivalent of say british or french, rather then white or indian?

[Anonymous No.15180097]

>>15180073
>Have you considered that maybe it's better to avoid a war than to fight?
And yet the USSR went to war immediately after signing the pact with the baltic states. They were expanding, and they kept expanding after the war, that was the point of the USSR, the expansion of communism worldwide.
>Yet when it did happen, Nazis lost so hard at Stalingrad that they were pushed all the way back to Berlin, to lose once again.
Because they were fighting a war with the USSR on the west, and at the same time they were fighting the British, the french resistance, and the Americans, first on Africa, then on France, and then on Italy.
Hitler had the same fate as Wilhelm the II, a war on multiple fronts it's lost. That's why the USSR signed a non aggression pact with Japan too.

You faggots understand nothing of history if you actually think that the USSR made all the war effort on WW2.

[Anonymous No.15180103]

>>15180074
We're literally doing that, energy independence, coupled with trumps insistence on being compensated for defense agreements like NATO. It's all related to the fact that we have such a strong domestic energy industry.

[Anonymous No.15180106]

>>15180077

It's not, and it is a fact. Without the US allowing free global trade, the european nations WILL need to form empires again in order to survive. Japan as well.

Pretty much everyone who had an empire, will need one again, because; wow, they didn't form empires for shits and giggles.

They formed empires so they could get the stuff the needed to survive. Without the US to make that process FREE, and I cannot stress that enough, GLOBAL TRADE IS FREE AND SAFE BECAUSE OF THE US MILITARY. Without free trade, the entire concept of a global, peaceful society goes down the toilet.

All of these big, rich countries aren't rich because they are smart or efficient; they're rich because they're ungrateful, entitled welfare queens who think it's fun to bite the hand that feeds them.

[Anonymous No.15180107]

Is this book a good place to start with Buchanan? I was thinking of getting day of reckoning

[Anonymous No.15180115]

>>15180097
Sorry, you're right. I was just trying to meme that warmonger anon.

[Anonymous No.15180117]

>>15180074
Being ruled by the american empire would be a lot less grating if it wasnt for faggots like you pretending your makeing some big sacrfice for everyone elses sake. You, like all empires have an empire because it benefits you (or your elites anyways).

[Anonymous No.15180119]

>>15180103
>such a strong domestic energy industry.
That has completely failed to turn a profit or be economically sustainable.

[Anonymous No.15180121]

>>15180086

Me too. Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, the US has been sort of puttering around and kicking rocks.

It's been bad for everyone.

[Anonymous No.15180127]

>>15180106
Do you have any sources on the variance of piracy after US military policies? Also would be neat to see which countries were mostly positively affected.

[Anonymous No.15180140]

USA's future is basically Canada on steroids. Democrats are never going to lose a national election again after 2024 at the latest because of demographics and their goal is to make it a post-national business state. We will see unforeseen levels of austerity as open borders become a thing.

[Anonymous No.15180141]

>>15180117
i think that was sort of satirical, but the content is objectively true, the US military and aligned with american geo-political strategy have been a golden era. We might not live to see the end of it, some people say history is dead because technology allows governments to survive indefinitely and all that- and that may be true, but there may be serious instability in the future, it's hard to say.

[Anonymous No.15180149]

>>15180140
>unforeseen
unprecedented*

[Anonymous No.15180155]

>>15180117

No, it does not benefit America, At All.

America is the least involved nation in global trade, its like. . . fuck its less than eight percent of our economy. We don't need to import food, or oil (anymore), or raw materials like iron and copper. Our land is the single most defendable piece of real estate on the globe, and we need literally nothing from anyone.

It's a gigantic sacrifice to be propping up the entire globe, for free, because the US is suffering for it.

The average Japanese citizen is richer than the average US citizen. Tell me about how that American Empire is benefiting the US. Tell me about how great having free healthcare and an awesome social safety net is, because the US dosen't get that shit, because we're spending our money on a gigantic military to keep the entire world from falling apart.

It does not benefit Americans at all.

We don't even get a fucking 'Thank You'.

Have fun starving and fighting in the middle east for oil, hope you were taking notes, because the US is leaving and we're not coming back.

[Anonymous No.15180160]

>>15179854
Um...yes. fuck the cities, honestly.

[Anonymous No.15180161]

>>15180119
That's not true- our natural gas is very profitable, oil isn't economically viable right now but that's irrelevant because it has huge strategic importance. OPEC is keeping prices lower in order to not lose market share to our domestic oil industry, which is also great for us because it means now instead of investing our military in foreign affairs to secure oil supplies we simply have to spend money on keeping our oil industry alive. If we can import for cheaper than we make it ourselves we will- if they raise the price too high we can increase supply ourselves.

[Anonymous No.15180164]

>>15180074
>>15180117

Yeah I've kind of been wondering about this lately. It seems like it's so big and complex it's hard to judge just what all the trade-offs are.

On the one hand, the USD is rock solid trusted around the globe and we get benefits of agglomeration and everyone buys our IPs and has to let our corporations plant themselves in their country as we suck up all their labor into consumer products for us.

on the other hand, we put in untold trillions of dollars to police the world and all of the other first world nations get crazy rich as well.

[Anonymous No.15180165]

>>15180155
nothing you own was made in america

[Anonymous No.15180166]

>>15179866
What state, fag. You urban/coastal fags don't know how pissed the rest of the country is

[Anonymous No.15180171]

>>15180164
If you're "wondering about it lately" you're far too late. The Obama administration was operating a strategy of managed decline for ourselves- but strategic thinking in the United States had been shifting for a while that with our oil industry we could decouple from the global economy and spend more on our own domestic infrastructure. Honestly the next 10 years could be a great time to be an American.

[Anonymous No.15180172]

>>15179879
100% this. We're virtually unbeatable when fighting foreign enemies.

[Anonymous No.15180176]

>>15179929
It's very high, actually. IEDs are very easy to make

[Anonymous No.15180186]

>>15178807
No it'll just become another Latin American shithole as it becomes majority Indio

[Anonymous No.15180189]

>>15180127

I can do you one better;

Have you ever heard about one of those gigantic boats coming from China, the ones full of expensive electronics and stuff of that nature, ever getting robbed?

Not just going to the US, but to anywhere in the world?

Have you ever heard about a supertanker, carrying so many millions of dollars of crude oil, ever getting stolen?

Piracy does not exist the way it did before the US Navy started patrolling the world.

Which country benefited the most? Easy.

China. They can be a nation because of free trade, and they cannot be a unified nation without it. Ungrateful fucks.

>>15180165

Oh yeah? Do you think they make Toyota's in Japan? They don't, anon. Everything we import, we do so at a loss. We're doing it as a favor to our allies.

Nothing made outside of the US is so rare and precious that we couldn't make it ourselves. Better still, nothing made with that big, complex supply chain could EVER be made without the American's guarding all those trade routes.

Everything I own, and everything YOU own, was made possible by America.

[Anonymous No.15180224]

>>15179982
While there was anti-Catholic sentiment among segments of the American population, the resentful Irish mindset made things worse. Furthermore, "being a good American" requires an increasing amount of affirmation of complete nonsense, so no one who isn't a sociopathic striver should aim for such a thing. Counter-Americanism should be pursued before we Fulfill Our Values all the way to complete Latinoamericanization.

[Anonymous No.15180264]

>>15180161
Where are you getting this information from? Everything I’ve seen says that shale producers haven’t been cash flow positive. They’re having their financing cut off because they can’t turn a profit.

[Anonymous No.15180266]

>>15179982
TradCaths are based and are growing rapidly both in the US and in France. I know a girl who has 11 siblings. Both she and her mom were pregnant at the same time.
They're going to be a force to be reckoned with in 20 years.

[Anonymous No.15180284]

>>15180266
The secular humanists are blind to the upcoming takeover of the US by Christian fundies. Woke folx adopt cats and stan kweens; Mormons, Tradcaths, and the Amish pump out 10 kids each. The Democrat strategy of importing Mexicans to flip elections is going to fail once the right embraces Catholic values and all the latinos over 30 flip sides.

[Anonymous No.15180298]

>>15180006
The US did most of the damage to its internal stability by importing a foreign underclass

[Anonymous No.15180299]

>>15180284
>secular humanists
I hate this term, none of those people are "secular" in a meaningful sense, they have dearly-held beliefs about equality etc. and react as harshly to Darwinism as any Fundamentalist, but for different reasons.

[Anonymous No.15180310]

>>15180284
>>15180299
Also I hate to break this to you but in LatAm the Church is strongly associated with "the Left", it doesn't work the same way as in the West. I use ""s because the Latin American left is basically just social democracy with lots of gibs and state ownership of some industries.

[Anonymous No.15180312]

>>15180299
They make sense when you realize they are protestants without God.

[Anonymous No.15180321]

>>15180312
Not necessarily, a lot of Catholics hold functionally identical beliefs. There are tons of "left-wing Catholics" nowadays who just want the USSR without abortion and believe in equality as fervently as any Progressive.

[Anonymous No.15180324]

>>15180189
>Nothing made outside of the US is so rare and precious that we couldn't make it ourselves
But we don’t and whole theoretically true, it’s practically false. Pharmaceutical products, for example, are made in China and that production is never coming back. Even if it was, they would simply import more cheap labor and lever up on debt to produce it. I’ll conced that America is the driver behind global trade and commerce but this idea of American autarky or total self sufficiency is a total fantasy.

[Anonymous No.15180325]

>>15180310
Only the boomer right in the USA is hyper capitalistic, young right wingers in the USA are more open to nationalizing industries. They are just terrified of the word socialism.

[Anonymous No.15180334]

>>15180107
Yes. It's very good

[Anonymous No.15180350]

>>15180325
You don't need to nationalize anything, we unironically need more economic liberalism especially in regards to land use and zoning, free trade, and credentialism. The US in many ways actually has less free markets than the "socialist" countries they deride.

[Anonymous No.15180354]

>>15180324

I think after this Corona virus nonsense, America is going to push to, at a minimum, get their entire pharmaceutical industry back inside their borders.

It's going to get really, really weird after this lock-down gets lifted.

[Anonymous No.15180355]

>>15180284
We're already seeing it with people like Nick Fuentes. I'm seeing more and TradCath families with 5+ kids in my area. The thing about TradCaths is they aren't dumb like your stereotypical evangelical. They're actually very intelligent and I'm expecting a jew-style take over of many institution my state and all over the country do to intrareligious nepotism. I think the left was really dumb for adopting sterile life practices so widely

[Anonymous No.15180358]

>>15180325
My prediction is the Democrats will become like the Canadian liberals who say nations are a dated idea and states exist for enforcing equality and protecting business. While the Republicans die and get replaced by a Christian democracy party that hates abortion but likes free healthcare.

[Anonymous No.15180363]

>>15180325
The boomers are still brainwashed by coldwar propaganda

[Anonymous No.15180367]

>>15180324
When you say "X isn't coming back to the US", you have to realize that a big reason China has all this production is because, among other reasons, they get special forms of gibs from us. China is STILL a "developing nation" under WTO rules (they can self-designate, top kek) and is eligible for various forms of bennies as a result. We were paying China's shipping for them until like... 2018. Combine this with the zoning, civil rights hiring, etc. laws and people wonder why production moves to China. These factories aren't in the broke shithole areas of China either iirc, they are in major cities which are by no means cheap places to live.

[Anonymous No.15180369]

>>15179861
The US isn't even close to 70% white if you drop the trickery and are honest for a second. Americans of ancestral European heritage or whatever euphemism you want to use make up somewhere around 53-55% of the US population and will significantly decline just from baby boomer deaths even without any more immigration. That 70% includes a massive number of Latino and Middle Eastern/Central Asian/North Africans who are recognizably not white and certainly not Western if you want to get more specific.

If you compare that to less than 50 years ago the American population being around 89% non-hispanic white with next to no ME/NA population to distort that number you'll see what people are saying. In less than a lifetime the white population has gone from a 200+ year supermajority in the US to being on the verge of only being a plurality and this was a result of intentional policy decisions made in the 1960's and 1970's.

[Anonymous No.15180380]

>>15180354
I think this is wishful thinking to be honest. I think it’s far more likely that we continue to see more of the same with ramped up measures for things such as vaccinations and biological IDs as we continue to import products from the third world and parade around immigrant healthcare workers as pseudo-heroes.

[Anonymous No.15180381]

>>15180369
>If you compare that to less than 50 years ago the American population being around 89% non-hispanic white with next to no ME/NA population to distort that number you'll see what people are saying. In less than a lifetime the white population has gone from a 200+ year supermajority in the US to being on the verge of only being a plurality and this was a result of intentional policy decisions made in the 1960's and 1970's.


Our Values? Fulfilled. Truly the light of Democracy shines forth from our City on a Hill upon the poor, benighted masses yearning to be free. Sure, we just basically ethnically cleansed ourselves and convinced ourselves it was a noble cause. But we weren't racist. And that's what really matters. This is what it truly means to be enlightened.

[Anonymous No.15180383]

>>15180355
Catholics are going to have a lot of sway in the east and Mormons in the west. The average Mormon is kind of an idiot but the institution is very carefully controlled. Mormon families are strategically relocated to sway elections, for example. And they have pull over military officers and politicians.

[Anonymous No.15180398]

>>15178807
The US has a large number of problems, and its global influence is on the decline.

That said, I would not worry too much about China. Yes, they have 'grown'/'developed' at an insanely rapid rate, but you need to keep in mind that 90% of their infrastructure is the equivalent of (or literally is) styrofoam covered by a thin concrete veneer. Nothing there is built to last. They'll look terrific for the next 10-20 years, and then all their infrastructure will start to fail.

[Anonymous No.15180401]

>>15180355
Reminder that fuentes and all the other fascists of today are just bored suburbanite zoomers with zero problems in life that got everything from their parents and are just playing LARP with ideology.

[Anonymous No.15180434]

>>15180383
Yup. I witnessed that with Mormons as well. They're extremely loyal to the church, often above all other institutions.
Like I said, I think the left is really miscalculating their social policies. Should have encouraged more leftists to reproduce. I think a big part of the gen z backlash is due to them being the children of the highly religious.

[Anonymous No.15180444]

>>15180401
Most radical change comes from the middle class. The upper middle class in particular. Your description of them actually reinforces my point. They're going to be a force to be reckoned with in 20 years due to their high rate of reproduction.

[Anonymous No.15180453]

>>15180434
>I think a big part of the gen z backlash is due to them being the children of the highly religious.
Don't think so. It's just another edgy youth subculture. It's just that the US's imperial cult is centered on antiracism, and this intensified after the Obama administration - kids are just looking for ways to offend the schoolmarms.

[Anonymous No.15180475]

>>15180444
>radical change
>middle class
and
>these retards
>force to be reckoned with
*inhales*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.15180517]

>>15178807
US will balkanize in the next 50 years, along with the UN and China.
Only Russia will remain and finally claim victory in the cold war (which never ended)

[Anonymous No.15180541]

>>15180517
It has a Muslim problem, though

[Anonymous No.15180548]

>>15180355
How do I leach off like a Jew from the Catholic connects? What organizations do I join? About to graduate university

[Anonymous No.15180553]

>>15180355
So BAP is wrong that this tradcath LARP is going to fade away?

[Anonymous No.15180572]

>>15180383
In what states could Catholics possible take over on the East coast? Fucking MA - that’d just be the Irish mob? Do you even know what you’re talking about?

[Anonymous No.15180580]

>>15180475
Yeah, no way these faggots actually do anything. They all look weak and sick.

[Anonymous No.15180591]

>>15180548
I have no idea. I'm not Catholic

[Anonymous No.15180597]

>>15180553
BAP is a bitter degenerate and his methods are retarded and part of the problem. His ideas will only lead to the further atomization of society

[Anonymous No.15180607]

>>15180453
Zoomer culture is unlike anything ever seen and with that theres also religion,
instead of being one homogenous culture with shared interests, the internet has lead to so many sub cultures that it's hard to really define them.
It would be stupidly easy to define most of them as tik tok loving fortnite players, but 4chan and reddit show a completely different side.
Note that Zoomers become atheists in their early teens, when they begin forming identities and rebelling, a kid born in 2000 would be 13 in 2013, when reddit's r/atheism and YouTubes flying spagetti monster was full swing

[Anonymous No.15180655]

>>15179982
Ambivalent?
The fucking public school system was created to spite the success of the Catholic school system.
The protestants are entirely responsible for the globohomo with this one act. All the lefty "catholics" in the world don't compare to this heinous act.

[Anonymous No.15180720]

>>15180097
>And yet the USSR went to war immediately after signing the pact with the baltic states.
The collapse of the Polish government and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact gave them the opportunity they needed to reclaim significant portions of territory lost in the Polish-Soviet War while creating a buffer zone that would aid them in the war with Germany. Consider the opposite scenario: German control of Ukraine and Belarus before the blitzkrieg, no window of opportunity to finish making their industry mobile, and, once the war actually began, German control of everything west of and including the Caucasus. It would not have been a good scenario.

>and at the same time they were fighting the British, the french resistance, and the Americans, first on Africa, then on France, and then on Italy.
If I'm not mistaken, not only did none of that happen until 1943, the proportion of German troops committed was skewed such that at least 80% of their forces were committed to the Soviet front.

>That's why the USSR signed a non aggression pact with Japan too.
The USSR beat Japan in the Battles of Khalkin-Gol/The Battle of Nomonhan, depending on what side you're looking at the conflict from, and essentially extracted a promise from them that they would not attack their southern frontier. This was in 1936-37, long before the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

>You faggots understand nothing of history if you actually think that the USSR made all the war effort on WW2.
The USSR is overwhelmingly responsible for the defeat of Nazi Germany and the "liberation" of Eastern Europe. The other Allies liberated Western Europe. America pushed Japan to her knees, but the USSR dealt the death blow with the invasion of Manchuria.

[Anonymous No.15180740]

>>15180553
BAP is a fucking faggot pagan pervert. What could he possibly know about being devoted to God? Do you really think BAP could ever conceive of an individual like St. Francis of Assisi, or St. Teresa of Calcutta, or St. Ignatius of Antioch? Yet we know these were all real people. What the fuck does BAP know about Christians? What could he possibly know about such people? How could he ever have any idea of what Christians are capable of?

[Anonymous No.15180744]

>>15180155
>The average Japanese citizen is richer than the average US citizen.
Japan and Europe encourage their citizens to save. The US encourages us to spend profligately. This is the difference.
>fuck its less than eight percent of our economy.
The same is true of the rest of our allies and the developed world.
>oil (anymore)
We still import about half of our oil, and I think we do it on purpose.
>import food
We import 13% of our food, but your point largely stands.
>or raw materials like iron and copper
How about raw materials like rubber?
>because we're spending our money on a gigantic military to keep the entire world from falling apart.
I get the feeling that having our hands in every pie and being able to force our beliefs and products down the throats of most of the world benefits those who rule us.

[Anonymous No.15180757]

>>15178807
>I don't really see how the U.S. is going to remain the dominant power this century, especially with the rapid rise of China

[Anonymous No.15180826]

>>15180740
>St. Teresa of Calcutta
based shitskin torturer

[Anonymous No.15181103]

>>15178877
Obviously. The US is fake & gay anyway. Balkanization is critical to the survival of the White race in the Americas.

[Anonymous No.15181119]

>>15180325
Introduce them to Cordreanu & Catholic Integralism & don't mention the "S" word until they've grown up. Corporatism (no, not the gay kind we have now) is also heavily Catholic in origin. All the pieces are there for a TradCath dominated political & economic movement to take off.

[Anonymous No.15181127]

>>15181119
>Codreanu
>JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS
I don't think that'll go over well with contemporary Catholics.

[Anonymous No.15181155]

>>15179849
As a shitty oil-dependent Russian satellite state obvs.

[Anonymous No.15181159]

>>15181103
>survival
The white race died off years and years ago, in the US, as elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.15181176]

i dread a future controlled by the chinese subman. there are a race utterly devoid of empathy for their fellow man. not to sure the anglo domination for purposes of making profits was without extreme faults, but godamn.

[Anonymous No.15181299]

>>15180189
Undeniably based and immeasurably redpilled

[Anonymous No.15181329]

>>15180016
Against whom do European states need a large military? Russia would much rather trade with Europe than make war upon it.
Which navy on the planet threatens European or global shipping kines? The only ones with an interest in shutting down trade are pirates and terrorists from nations that can barely float rafts.
Your analysis that the US will be paid to maintain its military is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.15181384]

>>15181329
Not him, but my idea is that without American occupation of Germany and much of Europe, Europeans will once again be free to build empires and engage in intra-continental wars. The only reason for Balkaners, for instance, to not fight each other in that context would be their own balance of power and that of the rest of Europe, rather than American pressure.

[Anonymous No.15182241]

>>15181329
>>15181384 <-- He gets it

>against whom do European states need a large military?

Each other. Consider the history of Europe, which can be safely summed up as 'constant, unceasing warfare until the Americans showed up and brought Free Trade'.

Which navy threatens europe? Well, in the first few years after America pulls out, nobody. Right now, nobody's bothered to invest much thought into piracy because that's a fast way to get a destroyer rammed up their aft. Once America makes it clear they aren't going to do anything? That a cargo ship full of expensive french wine, or sophisticated german doo-dads can be safely viewed as easy money?

The world does not have a concept of how exposed it is. There is no thought like, 'Will someone with a speed boat and an AK-47 climb up the side of my freighter and start killing people, then sail it to (insert home nation here) to unload the cargo and become an instant millionaire via the black market?'

Just one of those ships would make any pirate a very rich man. Forget the wine and the doo-dads, what about when the Russians decide to turn off the lights in Europe, AGAIN, because they aren't being good little boys and girls? Well, they says 'Screw you, I'm going to buy some oil from the middle east!'

Right now, that's an option. When the US pulls out, when there isn't a supercarrier in the persian gulf at all times, and a bloody knife at the throat of. . . well, of every arab nation really, the threat of 'We will fucking destroy you, no matter how much it costs, no matter how long it takes, we will fucking destroy you,' and having backed up that threat with a pathologic, insane willingness to wage war in the middle east for decades and decades?

That's what it takes to get oil out of the middle east. When Germany purchases a supertanker, that big fat wad of money is stolen and sailed to China; Japan; India; Iran; or any one of these other nations that would love to have a bunch of free money, and who need the oil.

Ok, it wouldn't be China. Their navy is a joke, and the Japanese are going to enjoy tearing it to shreds.

[Anonymous No.15182279]

The left would make so much more sense to me if they were genuinely evil. They're turning the people of the US into Mexicans but it's like they don't believe that the US will start to look and act like Mexico, with all the crime and environmental abuse that comes with it. Mexico is shit because they have bad ideas and they're bringing those ideas here. How could mass immigration do anything but destroy the country? If that was the aim I could understand.

[Anonymous No.15182283]

>>15180068
You don't have to quote individual sentences to actual respond to individual points. It looks retarded.

[Anonymous No.15182425]

>>15180757
woah

[Anonymous No.15182450]

>>15182279
They don't care about the long term consequences. The American left can buy a plane ticket and passport to whatever country they want. Open borders mean less unionization and lower wages across the board. If things get violent, they just check out and move and leave you to clean up the mess. Wokeness was an invented grift to place this strategy above criticism.

[Anonymous No.15182477]

>>15182279
They see Mexicans as victims of US imperialism who would be good Americans if they just received the sacrament of Education into informed participants in Our Democracy.

[Anonymous No.15182495]

>>15178807
Lmao, china's propped up on foreign debt and a massive housing bubble us isn't going anywhere

[Anonymous No.15182515]

>>15179784
Okay chang

[Anonymous No.15182519]

>>15179822
Nobody is going to leave the US at the behest of stone shithole like Russia or China lol where is it going to go?

[Anonymous No.15182546]

>>15180000
The potential for another Chernobyl

[Anonymous No.15182583]

>>15179979
There’s no way to dispose of the waste. And in the event of a tragedy whole cities will have to be evacuated indefinitely

[Anonymous No.15182617]

Japan is a great country. The Jews didn't fuck it up yet.

[Anonymous No.15182626]

>>15182546
Where is the potential for another Chernobyl with generation IV reactors? Prove to me that this isn't an irrational fear.

[Anonymous No.15182641]

>>15182626
The nuclear reaction part hurr

[Anonymous No.15182643]

>>15182617
The Japanese economy is ultranationalistic, they can weather a storm because Japanese companies are legally barred from leaving.
Meanwhile the USA bails out Canary Islands based companies who would abandon the USA in a hot second if something bad happened.

[Anonymous No.15182648]

>>15182641
You're not impressing me.

[Anonymous No.15182654]

>>15182643
Cayman Islands, I mean

[Anonymous No.15182665]

>>15180597
>>15180740
Grow up and learn to make an argument you braindead zoomers. You just insulted him and didn’t give any reason why he’s wrong other than God not being on his side

[Anonymous No.15182687]

>>15180383
The Catholic Church secretly has power in the East I agree, but I’ve also observed that many of the problems in the East since the early 1990s have largely been facilitated by the Catholic Church, not to mention their pretty drastic and all encompassing opening up to the progressive left. It’s called upon the third world to shore up its ranks and in doing so displaced the native population. I don’t see how the Catholic Church could stand for a conservative force of authority in a breakdown scenario.

[Anonymous No.15182792]

>>15179979
Not profitable. Apparantly their isnt a single nuclear power plant that doesnt really on government subsidies

[Anonymous No.15182855]

>>15180757
woah first funny then he dead now wow sad

[Anonymous No.15182856]

>>15182519
It’s quite obvious you know nothing about Russia or China

>>15182617
Meanwhile Russia has no debt, the worlds second strongest military, and is effectively the world’s single largest producer of energy and agriculture yet people will still claim they’re a paper tiger.

[Anonymous No.15182857]

>>15182792
That's no problem. We can stop wasting money on solar and wind development.

[Anonymous No.15182901]

>>15179506
The diversity of China is not at all comparable to the US. Despite the whole country being very racially similar, the Han Chinese possess a supermajority of over 91%. It is, for all political considerations, ethnically homogenous, as the remaining 45 ethnic groups are not large enough to form any kind of competing political bloc to the Han majority.

[Anonymous No.15182965]

>>15182857
It won’t happen. People, corporations, and now, government agencies are too heavily invested in conflicting interests alternative to nuclear. There are legitimate concerns too. They don’t know what to do with the spent fuel rods and a disaster would be a environmental and public health nightmare, which is only exacerbated since Fukushima. It doesn’t even really matter to be honest since every “alternative” form of energy relies on oil to sustainable. There legitimately is no viable alternative to oil if you want to sustained continued growth in energy consumption, which at this point seems like an unstoppable inevitability.

[Anonymous No.15182969]

>>15179790
the US economy will never be shit because of the war economy and the petrodollar

[Anonymous No.15183152]

>>15179784

[Anonymous No.15183203]

>>15180155
>because we're spending our money on a gigantic military to keep the entire world from falling apart.

lol, classic international law will be the facto system after the U.S collapse as it was before, dumb amerimutt

[Anonymous No.15183208]

>>15182241
>Each other. Consider the history of Europe, which can be safely summed up as 'constant, unceasing warfare until the Americans showed up and brought Free Trade'.
The Europeans have managed quite well without Americans. Europe is not peaceful because of the Americans. It's so because we have irrevocably tied our economic interests to each other. To make war upon one another, the major European nations would have to spend decades disentangling their industries first. This means a military built-up would take decades and gives the neighbours ample opportunity to do the same.

>pirate nations without the US
Highly unlikely. Nations are too intertwined to allow these things to happen. The only nations that can tolerate such piracy from within their borders are failed states, which don't field a lot in terms of military. The capabilities of say, France would be enough to deal with those countries.

>When the US pulls out, when there isn't a supercarrier in the persian gulf at all times, and a bloody knife at the throat of. . . well, of every arab nation really, the threat of 'We will fucking destroy you, no matter how much it costs, no matter how long it takes, we will fucking destroy you,' and having backed up that threat with a pathologic, insane willingness to wage war in the middle east for decades and decades?
That attitude may be needed to police all of the world at once, but Europes interests won't be global. So a smaller fleet is enough to secure European trade routes.

>Forget the wine and the doo-dads, what about when the Russians decide to turn off the lights in Europe, AGAIN, because they aren't being good little boys and girls?
Russia has never once stopped fulfilling its contractual obligations to Germany. Do you know why? Because Germany has never failed its obligations either. Russia is a very dependable country, if you don't fuck with it.

>When Germany purchases a supertanker, that big fat wad of money is stolen and sailed to China; Japan; India; Iran; or any one of these other nations that would love to have a bunch of free money, and who need the oil.
You're hallucinating. First of all, there are actual pipelines going from ME and Russia to Europe. Second of all, the tankers from the ME mostly sail along European borders. Third, we live in a world with satellites and long range planes. Theft like you describe is just not worth it for any nation. A supertanker is what, a couple billion at most in crude oil? That's not worth the sanctions that would result in. Free money, indeed.

[Anonymous No.15183227]

>>15182792
That's because the nuclear power industry is part of the weapons industry to enrich uranium. It's possible to use something like thorium for civilian purposes.

[Anonymous No.15183381]

>>15182856
>Meanwhile Russia has no debt, the worlds second strongest military, and is effectively the world’s single largest producer of energy and agriculture yet people will still claim they’re a paper tiger
YOU clearly nothing about Russia if you think their military is fine. Also get back to us when Russia GDP finally surpasses just the state of California.

[Anonymous No.15183429]

>>15183208
>The Europeans have managed quite well without Americans.
Any long term European peace has been a product of careful construction of military alliances to check each countries respective powers. There is no guarantee that an equilibrium like that will be reached when the US leaves.

International law will probably solve 95% of disputes, but what happenes when a country decides not to comply with a decision? Who's going to commit to a show of force?

>The capabilities of say, France would be enough to deal with those countries.
You're right to bring up the French navy as a force that can project power. Problem is in the short term they currently have only one carrier group, so they can only project power to one region at a time. Building out capacity would take decades.

Further, the only two European nations that can project naval power to somewhere like the ME at the moment are France and the UK (lol). This puts all other Euro nations to be largely subject to the whims of the French. In this position of power, the French have every reason to dominate EU politics in this scenario. They don't even need to invade anyone, they can just threaten to not protect your shipping lanes until you fall into line.

Which other European country could build a navy in the mean time? Britian is already on their way to decouple from the continent. The Italians couldn't support a blue water navy, neither can the Spanish. So that leaves the Germans? (That's assuming Germany's export-reliant economy is still tenable in a world where intercontinental commerce is uncertain).

>Russia is a very dependable country, if you don't fuck with it.
The calculus changes when the US is out of the picture. When Russia becomes the unquestionable land power in eastern Europe they have the leeway to hike up prices because they can.

>That's not worth the sanctions that would result in
Again, you're still thinking that in a post-US order the global economy will still be interconnected enough to make sanctions a valid deterrent. If things fragment into multi-polar spheres, sanctions become less powerful.

[Anonymous No.15183432]

>>15182279
The Virgin HBD vs the Chad Historical Materialist

[Anonymous No.15183453]

>>15182279
>How could mass immigration do anything but destroy the country?

It's funny that the same people who lament corporatism cannot see how mass immigration has pro-corporate interests at heart; AND that people, en masse, bring their baggage with them.

It's clearly subversion with a mask of sympathy, but for some reason...

[Anonymous No.15183805]

>>15183208

>A supertanker is worth a few billion

Right now it's just money. Post us world order, it's priceless to China. If you think they wouldn't pay pirates to steal oil, then I don't know what to tell you.

When it comes down to having fertilizer and fuel for farming equipment or having a billion angry, hungry Chinese burn the continent down, what do you think the ccp will do?

[Anonymous No.15183834]

>>15182279
Yeah I'm not super thrilled at the prospect of a nuclear armed version of Honduras on my southern border.

[Anonymous No.15183836]

>>15178807
All superpowers fall, its just the natural course of history. However, China is not "rising to be the next superpower." China, economically, is just returning to its position before the industrial revolution. Additionaly, China's psychology prevents it from becoming the sole superpower that America is now. In the future, there might not even be a superpower, which is even scarier than a pax sino world

[Anonymous No.15183879]

>>15182279
Mexico's been historically right wing though, as was the entirety of Latin America sans Cuba

[Anonymous No.15183881]

>>15183834
I'm not too happy about China 2.0 to the north.

[Anonymous No.15183920]

>>15183879
If revolutionary republics can be considered "right wing" than the term is useless. Even if it was true that they were right wing I don't know what point you're trying to make. Mexico is right wing therefore let's destroy our people and country?

[Anonymous No.15183958]

>>15183879
Not all rightists are created equally. The same could be said for leftists; I'd rather live in communist Czechoslovakia than Nicaragua, Cuba, Burkina Faso etc.

[Anonymous No.15184035]

>>15180155
Amusing that you should mention oil and the Middle East, because if course the well-known American interventions in that area did wonders for local and global peace and didn't benefit American corporations at all.

[Anonymous No.15184072]

what is based Uncle Pats best book?

[Anonymous No.15184082]

>>15178807
>Was Buchanan right?
What sort of theories and predictions did he have? Moralistic/muh degenerecies ones or did he adressed it through material perspective?

[Anonymous No.15184092]

>>15183958
I know, I was just meaning to say that massive latinamerican immigration towards the US is not a sure way to perpetuate the democrats in power.

[Anonymous No.15184098]

>>15184072
The one on WW2 is a must read.

[Anonymous No.15184100]

>>15180189
You seem to fail to realize were the profit lies in the system you're describing. American elites are certainly not doing it for China or "to benefit their Allies" (anyone with even a cursory knowledge of international relationships knows the US scarcely does any free favor, even to close allies). They're doing it because it benefits their employers, their colleagues, their friends, themselves and to a larger extent their class.

Or do you think delocalisation happens because American CEO feel pity for the unemployed Mexican and Bangladeshi? Please let's be serious for a second.

[Anonymous No.15184153]

>>15184082
The latter. He provides a massive amount of data to support his conclusions.

[Anonymous No.15184204]

>>15183429
>There is no guarantee that an equilibrium like that will be reached when the US leaves.
That equilibrium exists now. There is no reason to believe that Europe will fall apart when all their economies require the opposite. Nations like Poland might do so, but Germany, France, the low countries and likely Spain and Italy will never do that.

>Problem is in the short term they currently have only one carrier group, so they can only project power to one region at a time. Building out capacity would take decades.
While that is true, Europe does not need to project force very far or in that many places at once. For resources we need the ME and Africa mostly. Where is the threat a EU army couldn't deal with?

>Which other European country could build a navy in the mean time? Britian is already on their way to decouple from the continent. The Italians couldn't support a blue water navy, neither can the Spanish. So that leaves the Germans? (That's assuming Germany's export-reliant economy is still tenable in a world where intercontinental commerce is uncertain).
It won't be single countries in any case. Italy and Spain can support parts of a blue water navy, they can also serve as air bases and nearby ports. The ME is a lot closer to Europe than it is to America.

>The calculus changes when the US is out of the picture. When Russia becomes the unquestionable land power in eastern Europe they have the leeway to hike up prices because they can.
Russia isn't that dominant as a landpower compared to the EU. It is also heavily dependent on trade with the EU. IF the US retracts, Russia won't be isolated for very much longer.

>Again, you're still thinking that in a post-US order the global economy will still be interconnected enough to make sanctions a valid deterrent. If things fragment into multi-polar spheres, sanctions become less powerful.
All our economies are interlinked. There's no way around it. That can't be changed in a few years. That would take decades. I'd rather not speculate about the far future. Surely you agree that any scenario in which the world fractures that far, also gives the European countries time for a built-up?

>>15183805
Oh please. China borders Russia and has very good relations with Iran. They're also in the process to establish an overland trade route to that region. Their position is not as bad as you make it out to be.
The world won't end without America. No matter how that might suit the American ego.

[Anonymous No.15184210]

>>15180189
Redditspacing implies heavy dose of retardation.
>Piracy does not exist the way it did before the US Navy started patrolling the world.
Piracy was crushed long time ago and by RN if anything. In modern conditions pirates don´t have the means of purchasing ships and supplying them with fuel and ammo. Best you get are niggers on boats with AK.
>Ungrateful fucks.
Concept of gratidute doesn´t exist in geopolitics. If you do something and expecting "gratidute", you are a cuck that got outplayed.
>They can be a nation because of free trade
Concept of Chinese nation is a bit problematic given the scale of the country, but I doubt free trade has that much of impact on their ethnic composition.

Anyway US has decided to prop up China for a reason. That reason was destruction of USSR. It worked well and it allowed the neoliberal economy to take hold and survive the Great Recession. But obviously Chinese aren´t a colony that mutts can control, they are only playing the game because they profit of it. The big difference is that mutts are playing the short game, while Chinks are playing the long game.

[Anonymous No.15184218]

>>15184153
Amount of data is not the point, it´s about the characted of reasoning. What are his conclusions?

[Anonymous No.15184233]

>>15181176
In fairness any group capable of rising to near-complete world domination probably isn't going to be much hampered by concern for others (or even others subgroups within their own group).

[Anonymous No.15184234]

>>15184218
America is a superpower that is committing suicide and will not survive to 2025.

[Anonymous No.15184242]

>>15184234
Why is it "commiting suicide"?

[Anonymous No.15184307]

>>15179555
>US is a superpower and the sole inheritor of world empire after the collapse of the USSR.
You mean 1997? The collapse of the British Empire when they gave up Hong Kong ?

[Anonymous No.15184309]

>>15184242
For numerous reasons that he goes into detail in this book of 500 pages citing a wealth of hard data.

[Anonymous No.15184350]

>>15180757
If only he had worn his safety helmet.

[Anonymous No.15184352]

>>15184309
>For numerous reasons
Like for example?

[Anonymous No.15184366]

>>15183920
No, no. I meant that the supposed democrat reasoning of 'oh I'll recruit the victims of american imperialism, they'll surely vote for me next generation!' has a big hole in it.

[Anonymous No.15184368]

>>15181103
bad NE flagbearer

[Anonymous No.15184402]

>>15184366
It doesn't really matter what they're personal politics are right now. They identify Republicans as the party of white people so as a group they will always vote against them. Americans have deluded themselves into thinking that culture is not a zero sum game, that there aren't winners and losers, so they assume that Mexicans will come here and start acting like Americans. Leftists hate their own race and they assume everyone else will learn to hate their own as well. It's pure naivety.

[Anonymous No.15184611]

>>15182495
So is the US. Only difference is China doesn't have 100million blacks and Mexicans who will riot when shtf due to their 80IQs

[Anonymous No.15184622]

>>15182665
That's the argument, retard. God is King

[Anonymous No.15184639]

>>15182969
The petrodollar is currently going to shit, in case you haven't noticed.

[Anonymous No.15184666]

>>15184072
"The Unnecessary War".
It has the neocons screeching about anti-Semitism, which was hilarious.

[Anonymous No.15184695]

>>15184352
>The US doesn't manufacture anything and is running on a financial economy based on debt.
>The Iraq war destroyed American soft power throughout the world.
>The 60s culture war created an irreparable rift in America which will ultimately splinter it as a country.
All of those points and more, cited with data

[Anonymous No.15185685]

very interesting discussion

[Anonymous No.15185782]

>>15178807
Balkanization isn't happening barring a black swan event the likes of which we've never seen before. Like this current pandemic would have to be made to look like a joke.

[Anonymous No.15185906]

>>15185782
Are you sure about that? Right now it looks like your two-party system has lost the ability to compromise. You just know that the democrats will spitefully reverse whatever they can of what Trumps administration did.

[Anonymous No.15185912]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KRe08n0d3o


This is you're future

[Anonymous No.15185915]

>>15185906
Most Americans are apathetic to their regional culture. Southern pride and New England pride are extinct and most young people find them to be cringe. The USA is a post-national business state like every other Anglosphere country barring the UK.

[Anonymous No.15185937]

>>15185915
The US doesn't have to break along state lines. It can also fracture along racial lines. Or republican/democrat.

[Anonymous No.15185963]

>>15185937
Unlikely unless the USA gets partitioned by a foreign power that relocates people. There are black cities in the whitest states and blue cities in the reddest states.

[Anonymous No.15185991]

>>15185963
You're still thinking in terms of states seceeding. The states can also fracture.

[Anonymous No.15186043]

All you have to do to figure out who would win, America or China, is to consider the term 'made in China' and realize that is never, in any circumstance, a mark of a high quality product.

Why don't I fear a 'billion man' chinese army? all their gear is made in China. if their gun doesn't jam within 5 shots I'd be impressed. America can manufacture good damned shit, both physical goods and services, just as soon as we kick the pozz out (non-american workers brought it by boomers to skimp on labor costs.)
>>15180016
Also valid. people talk shit about america being the world police, but you bet as soon as they want something they come running to daddy. 'give us food!' 'protect us!' 'sell us some military gear!' 'sell us the medicines you developed!' 'sell us the tech you designed!'
>>15180065
based if true.
>>15180058
extremely untrue. you have to separate americans from 'americans' ie third worlders who came here to work as beanpickers.

[Anonymous No.15186180]

>>15180016
all these >muh shipping lanes memes are too tiring. go such zeihan's dick, shlomo. you think theres gonna be shitload of pirates if us navy pull out of persian gulf? what a bullshit. one more destroyer per decent non-us sized country cooperating would more than enough to secure horn of africa. f

also, >FREE my ass. us "earns" billions per year just with US Dollar seignorage. its not free, you fucking zionist scum. kys MIGAtard

[Anonymous No.15186270]

>>15180155
it benefits the politicians who you vote into power, goy. its a beauty of free democracy :). also, what kind of thankyou? trump is trying to get couple more billions out of korea (they spend tons of billions buying us weapons,few actual "allies" with real army, etc) , while giving billions to israel for free. also, if us left, sure, where would be some war in middle east, but that would be it. no more sanction on russia, so you can just buy oil from russia, etc etc

[Anonymous No.15186278]

>>15185915
Why is the UK different?

[Anonymous No.15186293]

>>15182856
I know they are shitholes that no American wants to succeed to

[Anonymous No.15186325]

>>15184204
Belt and road will fold if the west wants, they just need to give a better offer over ccp exploitation lol

[Anonymous No.15186352]

>>15184611
Other difference is that China is built on a foundation of popsicle sticks

[Anonymous No.15186373]

>>15184204
>>15183805
BASED. migatards and american ego is just too unbearable. funny thing is, actual american naval officers, at least the large swatch of them that ive interacted with, realize this. its just migatards that dont realize the reality.

[Anonymous No.15186387]

>>15186373
>>15183208
not this >>15183805 retard.

[Anonymous No.15186413]

>>15184695
thats not "why". my insta-take on "why" could be, puritanical obession, anglo-saxon motivated incuriosity of foreign things - little englander mentality but for americans, racial divide, diverse nature of america that is overly centralized at the moment, etc.

[Anonymous No.15186474]

>>15185906
They will take credit for anything good out of it and push their shitty agenda by pointing at how bad trumps is (i.e. Biden)

[Anonymous No.15186508]

>this makes the ameritmutt seethe

[Anonymous No.15186590]

>>15186278
Because regional nationalism is still a thing in Scotland, Wales, etc. England is just a cultureless business zone now though

[Anonymous No.15186708]

>>15186270

Have fun being ruled by Russia and China!

[Anonymous No.15186719]

>>15184210

>long game

China is the most over-credited, in-debt nation on the planet.

They are an entire nation that maxed out their credit cards on Gucci and Lambos, and pay off their debts by opening another credit card.

[Anonymous No.15188131]

>>15185912
Lol. Please...no.

[Anonymous No.15188135]

>>15185991
We're seeing this in Virginia.

[Anonymous No.15188193]

>>15188135
Virginia is a good example of a rural/urban divide. Urban Virginia is full of "blue no matter" who types while rural Virginia is still very southern. Same happens in New England - coastal cities in New England are extremely progressive, rural New Englanders are xenophobic and want to be left alone.
California should just be allowed to secede and then offer citizenship to all woke twitter users. Would solve most of our problems.

[Anonymous No.15188291]

>>15179979
The reputation of nuclear has been tarnished by the small handful of accidents, and fearmongering over waste. Meanwhile, France is a model of nuclear implementation that no one wants to talk about. Hell, enviros in the US fight tooth and nail to make sure nuclear is not considered for emission free energy tax rebates like their unreliable weather based projects.

>>15179982
>I think the question will have to be raised: can you be a good Catholic and also be a good American?

According to Pope Francis, not until you abolish those pesky borders.

[Anonymous No.15188307]

>>15180140
>One party Democracy.

This same assumption has been proven wrong all over Europe. Conservative parties will change and bring in new voters. Imagine saying this shit about the Democrats in the 60s.

[Anonymous No.15188344]

>>15179822
Alaska is only in the US for natural resources. They have no capacity to revolt.

Any country backing a revolting faction in a civil war is tantamount to a declaration of war. China and Russia talk a lot of bluster, but would never actually risk war with the US. Even a hypothetically unstable one.

[Anonymous No.15188594]

>>15181103
>south
BLACKED
>pnw
full of chinks
>new england
full of cuck anglos