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First identified by Sigmund Freud, under the rubric of psychic impotence, this psychological complex is said to develop in men who see women as either saintly Madonnas or debased prostitutes. Men with this complex desire a sexual partner who has been degraded (the whore) while they cannot desire the respected partner (the Madonna).

Was he right? Is it a real thing? I feel like it's especially prevelant here on 4chan and other places with "redpill" worldviews. A lot of men seem to want a perfect pure virgin wife, while also being addicted to hardcore pornography and seeing these depictions as an ideal form of sexuality.

>> No.15191924

no it's bullshit, the men who freud found that complex in just had the bad luck to get married with ugly women while being addicted to fuck around with hot prostitutes, therefore they could get it hard for their wifes

>> No.15191936

>>15191892
I've noticed it in a lot of my classmates, but supposedly that's something you grow out of past 23.

>> No.15191959

>>15191892
Yeah its real, though I wouldn't call it a complex, its more like an autistic conceptual rigidity/lack of cognitive plasticity. Everything has to have its neat little box, with no grey areas in between. In part because both "whore" and "madonna" are constructions designed to enforce male control over the female sex. "If I can define you, I can exert my will over you." etc. etc. It's a fundamental misunderstanding about femininity, that it has to be "a certain way", when femininity is very much defined by the dissolution of hierarchy and fixed categories.

>> No.15191989

do we have a plebbit tumblr invasion now?

>> No.15191997

>>15191892
>I feel like it's especially prevelant here on 4chan and other places with "redpill" worldviews.

Well youre obviously overgeneralizing. What exactly do you see on 4chan and these so called areas with "redpill" worldviews that led you to beleive as such? The fact that people on here call women whores? So that must mean thy have a psychological complex then? a laughable idea to say the least.


>hardcore pornography and seeing these depictions as an ideal form of sexuality.

Source? Pornography is a fantasy. Thats like saying someone who plays gta think being a mass murdering criminal is normal.

tl;dr youre either bluepilled or looking for an excuse to be a whore

>> No.15192020

>>15191892
Once you get out in the world and start to meet women, you realize they're all a mix between the two

>> No.15192025

>>15191892
4chan's take is that all women are whores and 2d is superior though.
All this "trad" shit is redditor shit.

>> No.15192026

all women are whores

>> No.15192032

>>15191959
the two roles men want women to play: vagina or mother. If you are not a slave to either sex or babies, you are useless to men

>> No.15192034

>>15191997
>The fact that people on here call women whores? So that must mean thy have a psychological complex then?
Not him but are you a newfag? Go into any thread with an attractive woman in the OP image and it will either be coombrains wanting to fuck, people complaining about whoreish women, or people complaining about how no woman ever lives up to the "virgin tradwife" ideal. If that isn't a demonstration of the complex in action, I don't know what is. 4chan is a hivemind so its perfectly acceptable to make generalisations about group psychosis

>> No.15192041

>>15191892
none of freud’s “””theories””” are even truth-apt. read culture of critique and stop being retarded.

>> No.15192047

>>15192032
>If you are not a slave to either sex or babies, you are useless to men
>useless to men
This is exactly my point, you are only capable of conceptualising them in relation to yourself and your desires. You don't understand the thoughts and feelings of others. That is autism, plain and simple.

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>>15192032
well what else did you imagine?

>> No.15192051

>>15191959
You forgot your trip, butterfly

>> No.15192055

>>15191892
Why would this be a complex?
There are women who are promiscuous and there are women who are not. Believing this is not some kind of psychological defect. It is the truth.
Just like there are men who drink alcohol and there are men who don't.

>> No.15192060

>>15192041
but freud was right about a lot of thing like wanting to fuck your mom

>> No.15192071

>>15192047
>in relation to yourself and your desires
do women see men not in relation to their needs and desires both biological (looks) and pragmatic (money and status)?

>> No.15192072

>>15192047
Of course you only conceptualize women as partners only in relation to their function in that regard. This is not insightful at all. Women ought to see being a decent father as a necessary requirement in their partner too, and if you want to be crude, their function as penis-havers.

>> No.15192086

I mean there are (real life non-anime) girls I have crushes on that I have very little "sexual" interest in, possibly because I view them as pure, or as potential partners rather than sex objects. So idk probably.

>> No.15192091

>>15192034
i wish schools were open

>> No.15192103

>>15192034
>If that isn't a demonstration of the complex in action, I don't know what is.
Could you explain how it is?

>> No.15192113

>>15192071
it’s different when women do it, incel

>> No.15192118

>>15191997
This post is the most ironic thing I’ve read.
>tl;dr youre either bluepilled or looking for an excuse to be a whore
Someone people have no self-awareness

>> No.15192121

>>15192055
It's not like some women want to have sex and some women don't. Men just choose to shame those more vocal about it.

>> No.15192123

>>15192071
Women don't force them into violent disjunctive categories when it comes to their sexuality. They don't care how many women a man has slept with

>>15192072
see above. It has nothing to do with utility and everything to do with definitions. there is not a madonna/whore equivalent for women

>> No.15192124

>>15191997
4chan is now a sub 90-IQ platform... based

>> No.15192132

>>15192123
>violent categories
tits or gtfo

>> No.15192136

>>15192123
>Women don't force them into violent disjunctive categories when it comes to their sexuality. They don't care how many women a man has slept with

lmao, why are these bait threads allowed up at all hours of the day

>> No.15192143

>>15192121
In your opinion, all women are promiscuous and no men should ever criticize promiscuity?

>> No.15192152

>>15192123
How exactly do women treat fat nice guys?

>> No.15192153

>>15192136
>can't dispute the point
>"well gee I guess it must be bait then huh"
cope harder

>> No.15192159

>>15192050
Companionship? At least? Someone who makes you feel good about yourself and you enjoy spending time with?

It's possible to feel that way with a woman, despite what many believe here

>> No.15192166

>>15192124
You could always go back to tumblr if you think 4chan is dumb.

>> No.15192167

>>15192152
They are not to blame if you are disgusting and can't take care of yourself. Just as you are not to blame if you don't want to sleep with fat chicks.

>> No.15192169

>>15192159
Bro, you just posted cringe

>> No.15192172

>>15192072
It was a summarization of the complex, don't get your panties in a knot

>> No.15192178

>>15192166
Dilate! Haha been here for over a decade, go back to /r/the_donald or something you baboon, or just go back to your containment board!

>> No.15192180

>>15192169
Nah, he's right. You're just cynical from spending too much time here

>> No.15192181

>>15192167
>fat chicks.
>implying some chicks are fat and some aren’t
Stop dividing women into violent disjunctive categories you misogynist

>> No.15192182

>>15192136
It’s true though and I don’t see how you have any basis for the opposite. Unless you speka only of the most religious of women. How many people a man has had sex with doesn’t debase or lift him up in women’s opinions unless it becomes an aspect of his personality like a womenizer or a vocal incel. The whole purity compelx comes is historically male. A man could go around fucking anything he wants and still demand a pure wife. I can point you to the relevant literature if you want.

>>15192055
Because there are more to people than tneir sexuality. I don’t see how this goes over you.

>> No.15192185

>>15192123
>They don't care how many women a man has slept with
They do, anything below 1 is considered pure evil

>> No.15192186

>>15192143
Most people on the planet want to be sexually intimate with someone else.

Only fucking Catholics have an issue with what is a normal part of human existence

>> No.15192190

>>15192180
>he

>> No.15192191

>>15192167
So, in your opinion it is perfectly nice to disparage someone by looks and constantly communicating how much you despise them...
...but it is wrong to criticize someone for poor morals?

>> No.15192192

>>15192181
Again, its about the extremes that are enabled by the complex. That is a false equivalency. Not all women are either obese or paper-thin.

>> No.15192195

>>15192186
and muslims, and hasidic jews

>> No.15192206
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>>15192185
Only if its clear why they are a virgin like pic related. If you’re a normal person they will literally assume you’ve probably slept with someone even if you’re a handholdless virgin.

>> No.15192207

I remember reading that some other psychologist said that this concept is one of the only ideas Freud made that remains valid.

If you would like some literary evidence, Hamlet is the quintessential example of the complex. He scorns his mother through the whole play, as well as flip flopping between attitudes of infatuation and disdainful lust for Ophelia.

I saw it a lot in high school boys- and it makes sense- motherfuckers were confused. Mainly it's that angsty self righteousness and insecurity.

>> No.15192211

>>15192123
>there is not a madonna/whore equivalent for women
virgin man = serial killer
man whore = good man

>> No.15192214

>>15192186
In your opinion, having sex with multiple partners is something normal and harmless and only Catholics have an issue with it?

>> No.15192218

>>15192152
I like fat guys. One out of ever four guys I sleep with is fat. Doesn't have to be a game changer if you're confident

>> No.15192220

>>15192192
Typical toxic woman-hating rationalization. Do better.

>> No.15192222
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>>15191892
Most women are whores. If you have had sex before marriage or have had more than one sexual partner in your life, you are a whore, no exceptions besides maybe rape victims.
>>15192186
Vast majority of sexual relationships are not "intimate". They basically boil down to mutual masturbation with someone for a night then they fuck off to do it with someone else.

>> No.15192224

>>15192191
>poor morals
this is your own catholicuck values dictating how you think. Meanwhile, no one else is making the equivalency between promiscuity and poor morals

>> No.15192225

>>15192182
>Because there are more to people than tneir sexuality. I don’t see how this goes over you.
Just like there are more to people than their alcohol consumption. But the sexual morality of a woman is a relevant fact about herself, specially when it comes to who you are going to marry with.

>> No.15192226

>>15192169
Don't let 4chan ruin your dreams of finding love, desu

>> No.15192227

>>15192159
>feel good about yourself and you enjoy spending time with
like when you jizz on her face?

>> No.15192230

>>15192214
It’s not either/or. It’s a case by case thing.

>> No.15192239

>>15192195
Minorities tho

>> No.15192241

>>15192224
>this is your own catholicuck values dictating how you think. Meanwhile, no one else is making the equivalency between promiscuity and poor morals
Except for Plato and Aristotle. And the Stoics. And even the Epicureans. And the Muslims.
I mean, who should I trust better on morals? Plato and Epictetus or some dumb person who invaded here from tumblr whose sexual morality comes from Teen Vogue?

>> No.15192242

>>15192206
>If you’re a normal person they will literally assume you’ve probably slept with someone
i know it's bait but you realize that you are proving me correct? Women have the same complex it's just reversed and there are good evolutionary reasons for it.

>> No.15192245

>>15192211
This is your insecurity at the lack of notches on your bedpost speaking. The more you have sex, the more confident you are around women, the less you appear "creepy". your lack of confidence makes you look like a serial killer, not the lack of sex.

>> No.15192246

>>15191997
>Thats like saying someone who plays gta think being a mass murdering criminal is normal.
Honestly yeah they probably do.

>> No.15192249

>>15192214
Not having sex with multiple partners is only normal here, with all the incels, not in the real world

>> No.15192250

>>15192239
>minorities
There’s over a billion Muslims and they all agree

>> No.15192251

>>15192230
>It’s not either/or. It’s a case by case thing.
Could you explain your view? When is it normal and good to be promiscuous?

>> No.15192252

>>15192225
Of course it is. Like whether they’re loyal. But most people have had multiple relationships precisely because there is more to relationships than sex.

>> No.15192256

>>15192241
>appeal to authority
If you can't defend your own morality without relying on muslims (lmao) to criticise promiscuity, then your entire justification is unreflective as fuck.

>> No.15192260

>>15192245
No, it’s the lack of sex

>> No.15192263

>>15192118
>>tl;dr youre either bluepilled or looking for an excuse to be a whore
>Someone people have no self-awareness
it was b8 senpai, i put it in there to see if anyone would fall for it an you did. You should be ashamed.

>I don't know what is. 4chan is a hivemind so its perfectly acceptable to make generalisations about group psychosis

I have no reason to take anything you wrote seriously if you honestly genuinely believe this

>> No.15192264

>>15192222
Good digits, and a good demonstration of the complex in action too.

>> No.15192267

>>15192249
I'm pretty sure there are many places on Earth where people have an opposition to promiscuity.

>> No.15192269

>>15192250
Yeah but are they all here spewing bullshit like the catholics are? No

>> No.15192270

>>15192256
>your entire justification is unreflective
>not like the one I got from tumblr that I thought totes hard about

>> No.15192272

>>15192242
No, it’s not. Women see a man who has interests, is easy to talk, dresses nice and has good grades. Men with the complex see “a women who has had lots of sex” and ignore everyrhing else about thier personality.

>> No.15192273

>>15192245
>your lack of confidence makes you look like a serial killer
But serial killers have high self confidence, what are you even talking about?

>> No.15192277

>>15192270
Freud is from tumblr? This is news to me

>> No.15192282

>>15192269
Yes. You’re very stupid and unobservant.

>> No.15192283

>>15192251
Uhm, when you want to be? Why would anyone other than you can a say in how you express yourself?

Who damaged you as a child?

>> No.15192289

>>15192252
>Of course it is. Like whether they’re loyal. But most people have had multiple relationships precisely because there is more to relationships than sex.
Most people have multiple relationships because they have poor morality and our dating culture is awful.

>>15192256
You claimed no one considered promiscuity to be bad morals. But some of the greatest philosophers did. So do Muslims.

>> No.15192293

>>15192251
If they’ve always been left unsatisfied with their partners. Wouldn’t you think it be fair for you to move on from your partners if none of them offer what you want from a relationship?

>> No.15192294

>>15192277
>Freud is from tumblr?
Yes.

>> No.15192295

>>15192267
It's 2020, wake up and realize we don't care what religious third world countries think

Sincerely, white people

>> No.15192297

>>15192263
>>15192034

>> No.15192301

>>15192273
Looking like a serial killer is not the same thing as being one. Also I wasn't the one who originally made the comparison between serial killers and virgins.

>> No.15192308

>>15192269
Muslims tend to be more vocal about immorality than Catholics.

>>15192272
Being promiscuous means a woman has poor morals and is likely to cheat on you. It is a very important thing when it comes to marriage.

>> No.15192312

>>15192272
>“a women who has had lots of sex” and ignore everyrhing else about thier personality
it is the best indicator of personality, or at least the traits of personality that matter to a man for a long term relationship

>> No.15192319

>>15192226
Given that you have to be 18 to post here that shouldn’t be a possibility

>> No.15192329

>>15192283
>Uhm, when you want to be? Why would anyone other than you can a say in how you express yourself?
In your opinion, everyone should try chase their desires without thinking if they are good for themselves or not?

>>15192293
So, when it comes to looking for a marriage partner, you believe the best strategy to be to sleep with many different people?

>> No.15192332

>>15191892
Can confirm I have this.
But because of the rona I've met someone that is really scared of getting infected so she wont let me touch her. So we've been meeting and going on dates by stying away from each other by a few meters.

It's nice desu normally I would meet someone fuck them and then ghost them. But this time I actually start to now them before the sex.

We'll see what happens when she lets me touch her.

>> No.15192333

>>15192312
No it’s not. It only matters to people with the complex, one which was socially enforced by religious institutions in the past but no longer.

>> No.15192340

>>15192308
Infidelity has nothing to do with promiscuity. More so with being a piece of shit human being

>> No.15192342

>>15192295
In your opinion, people who live in poor countries are wrong about everything and people who live in richer countries are right about everything?
That's an interesting way of finding the truth.

>> No.15192347

>>15192340
>Infidelity has nothing to do with promiscuity
Cope

>> No.15192351

>>15192329
Absolutely. Hedonism all the way

A lot better than crying while masturbating in my mom's basement

>> No.15192352

>>15192340
>Infidelity has nothing to do with promiscuity.
maybe a bit of a stretch to say nothing

>> No.15192353

>>15192272
That's because most women don't have personalities.

>> No.15192355

>>15192333
I'm not him, but this is not accurate. Promiscuous people are worse marriage partners.

>>15192340
>Infidelity has nothing to do with promiscuity.
Yes, it has. Promiscuous people have values that make them more likely to cheat.

>> No.15192364

>>15192333
I don't want a woman who was used by other men as a cum dumpster, what's wrong with that?

>> No.15192367

>>15192329
Why would you marry someone you didn't like having sex with?

Because you have an internalized belief that marriage is punishment? Parents are divorced?

>> No.15192368

>>15192289
And issac newton died from eating mercury. I don't have to accept that just because philosophers were smart in some ways that they are just as smart in others. And also your insistence on using muslims as an example is making your argument even less convincing.

>> No.15192370

>>15192153
there is nothing to dispute

>>15192182
any sane person seeking a monogamous relationship sees a person with multiple previous partners(romantic or sexual) as a negative in an evaluation. this includes every woman i know there is no basis for your argument retard

>> No.15192371

>>15192351
So, always trying to satisfy your base desires is the best life strategy for a happy life?

>> No.15192379

>>15192340
>Infidelity has nothing to do with promiscuity
A normal person is as likely to abuse drugs as a drug addict?

>> No.15192382

>>15192047
He may understand them but it doesn’t mean he has to care about them

>> No.15192383

>>15192364
Because it shows how insecure you are. She has a basis of comparison which terrifies you. The idea of somehow being less of a lover than someone she had before...

>> No.15192386

>>15192367
In your opinion, sexual pleasure is a very valuable good and when marrying it should be an important part of the choice?

>> No.15192388

>>15192370
>this includes every woman i know there is no basis for your argument retard
>your basis sucks but my anecdotal evidence is a strong base for an argument
lmao

>> No.15192395

>>15192379
Plenty of promiscuous people are nonmonagamous? Quit being so terrified of girls that like to have sex guys....

>> No.15192399

>>15192383
It's partly that and partly just the universal male preference for virgins for reasons of paternity

>> No.15192403

>>15192368
>I don't have to accept that just because philosophers were smart in some ways that they are just as smart in others.
Again, you claimed no one considered promiscuity to be bad morals. That this opinion was an absurd one that no one has it.
And I gave examples of people who did consider promiscuity to be bad morals.

>> No.15192404

>>15192333
You just want to have sex with a shit ton of men and then get a man to support you economically after that, so you feel anger and ressentment towards traditions and men who have a negative view of such behaviour to the point of trying to diagnose such reasonable men with a mental complex.

>> No.15192405

>>15192382
He does neither.

>> No.15192411

>>15192403
Fine, jesus christ autist, some people DO think that. But my point still stands that an appeal to authority does not make YOUR argument any more convincing.

>> No.15192412

>>15192395
So these are just women that i don't want to deal with. It is as much of a complex as feeling disgust towards shit

>> No.15192416

>>15192386
Definitely. The amount of mental degradation that occurs when people don't stimulate themselves sexually on a semi regular basis is apparent on this board

>> No.15192418

>>15192383
I'm not him, but I wouldn't marry a promiscuous woman for two reasons:
One is that she has poor morality. I want to marry someone who will help me become a better person, not a hedonist who easily opened her legs to plenty of guys.
Another is that I feel disgusted by promiscuous behavior. It is a feeling thing. Just like I feel disgusted by people who eat shit.

>> No.15192424

>>15192404
who hurt you to make you project so hard?

>> No.15192430

>>15192416
If anything the problem with this board is people stimulating themselves too regularly.

>> No.15192431

>>15192388
you have no evidence

>> No.15192433

>>15192411
But you were the one making the argument that no one considered promiscuity to be poor morality. I just countered that.

>> No.15192441

>>15192412

This >>15192383

>> No.15192444

>>15192329
>So, when it comes to looking for a marriage partner, you believe the best strategy to be to sleep with many different people?
How do you not noticed this pathological obsession of yours? To you, all a relationship is is sex. Of course, I will assume this is mainly from lack of it. I tell you something about trying to find what you want from a relationship and all you see is “sleep with as many people as you want”. You’re obsessed, anon. A relationship doesn’t survive on sex alone. There are considerably more important things, such as a vision of the future and your approach to bigger philosophical aspects in life, sex is good, but it wanes and becomes another aspect of mundane life, a biologic instinct to satisfy like hunger. How many relationships between two virgins have failed in history and continue to fail? You give too much weight to it from your own pathological fixation. This whole website does, mainly because it’s filled with virgins who feel left out from it and have self-esteem issues and their way to cope is to turn their virginity into a virtue, classic textbook resentiment and slave morality. Idk what else to tell you. You have to experience it. Once you have a relationship, if you find your mystical virgin madonna, you will learn it for yourself. Sex will become mundane, and you’ll notice all those aspects of her personality you previously ignored cause all you could see was “she’s a pure little virgin”.

>> No.15192448

>>15192416
Are pornstars mentally healthy individuals on the average? Are celibate Buddhist monks particularly unhealthy?
What would cause sexual pleasure to bring good mental health in your opinion?

>> No.15192460

>>15192444
>How many relationships between two virgins have failed in history and continue to fail?
Statistically almost none

>> No.15192467

>>15192431
I'm not him but here is my evidence:

>I'm not racist, I have lots of black friends!

>> No.15192473

>>15192444
I'm just asking a question. Is it a good strategy to sleep with many different people when it comes to finding a marriage partner? Why?

>> No.15192488

>>15192383
>The idea of somehow being less of a lover than someone she had before...
Do i need to fuck hotter women to know that the girl i'm with isn't the most good looking girl on the planet?
Does the need to do the same to make a similar realization?
Clearly unless she is brain dead she doesn't.
The issue similar to someone being infected with a disease and me feeling disgust and wanting to get away from this person.

>> No.15192490

>>15192444
Trips of wisdom

>> No.15192491

>>15192488
So you're saying you ARE bad at sex?

>> No.15192497

>>15192444
>A relationship doesn’t survive on sex alone. There are considerably more important things, such as a vision of the future and your approach to bigger philosophical aspects in life
then why do you think everyone should try out hundreds or thousands of sexual partners before getting married to find the perfect one?

>> No.15192502

>>15192490
Is it really wisdom to make a huge post without answering the question asked?

>> No.15192507

>>15192444
Yeah relationships are based on sex and subconscious pair bonding for the purpose of taking care of the progeny (this happens even if you don't produce it).
The psychological ability to pair bond gets damaged with every failed relationship that you experience or even a quick hock up.

>> No.15192508

>>15192502
To a woman that’s the definition of wisdom

>> No.15192510

>>15192473
No, because marriage isn’t sex. A good strategy when looking for someone to marry is to commit to a long term relationship and explore different scenarios, such as living together and all that implies. Along with learning about each other’s opinions, past and goals. Sex is important to. Express each others desires and attempt to satisfy them.

>> No.15192516

>>15192491
Yes and i have a small peepee

>> No.15192521

>>15192444
They hate him cause he spoke the truth

>> No.15192530

Freud observed it happening, it's not a theory. The theory is his explanation of why. Iirc he talks about those two being unified in our image of mommy early in life, then they split because of the taboo law, then (hopefully) they get re-unified in the women we desire.

His gaze into early life and its fantasies to explain one's constitution is an ingenious thought. The man solved ethics just by discarding them altogether

>> No.15192539

>>15192510
>No
Then why did you write that long wall of text or why did you imply that sometimes being promiscuous is a good thing?

>such as living together
I don't think living together before marrying is a good idea

>Sex is important to
Is sex important or not? Your wall of text gave me the impression you didn't think it was very important, since hundreds of things are more important.

>> No.15192546

>>15192497
Don’t you find it pathetic or dishonest to rely on strawmans like this?
>>15192507
Idk why someone with such a reductive materialist stance would be so caught up on morality or marraige. Why do you want to marry if you don’t even believe in a metaphysical or purely subjective element in love? What is morality in your view if nit just social standards imposed by herd mentality in order to protect the tribe?

>> No.15192555

>>15192546
>What is morality in your view if nit just social standards imposed by herd mentality in order to protect the tribe?
that's not how that works at all, it's to protect your genes

>> No.15192558

>>15192546
>Don’t you find it pathetic or dishonest to rely on strawmans like this?
I'm not the one you are quoting but the post he quoted was literally an answer to the question:
>So, when it comes to looking for a marriage partner, you believe the best strategy to be to sleep with many different people?

>> No.15192572

>>15192467
>Women don't force them into violent disjunctive categories when it comes to their sexuality. They don't care how many women a man has slept with

?

>> No.15192580

>>15192572
Specially the feminist ones that came here. They totally don't use virgin as an insult to whoever disagrees with them.

>> No.15192584

>>15192539
>imply that sometimes being promiscuous is a good thing
Not an implication in that post at all. The implication is that promiscuity is unimportant. Good or bad are addressed to an end, shch as whether she was promiscuous because she didn’t feel satisfied.
>I don't think living together before marrying is a good idea
Perfect recipe to end up marrying a stranger.
>Is sex important or not? Your wall of text gave me the impression you didn't think it was very important, since hundreds of things are more important.
How is there being more important things make it unimportant? I compared it to a biologic instinct. It’s important those are met, but simply having it wont sustain a relationship.

>> No.15192593

>>15192546
>What is morality in your view if nit just social standards
Useful norms to regulate human behaviours in order to avoid harm.

>> No.15192598

>>15192584
Do you consider everyone you’ve never lived with a stranger? Have you never had a friend?

>> No.15192600

>>15192558
Yes and that post responded by pointing out that that question was a nonsequtur to the post before about finding what you want in a relationship. Again, all you guys think about is sex.

>> No.15192603

>>15192448
Because pleasure = the most basic form of happiness, you over-analytical moron

>> No.15192614

>>15192584
>Not an implication in that post at all. The implication is that promiscuity is unimportant. Good or bad are addressed to an end, shch as whether she was promiscuous because she didn’t feel satisfied.
The "chain of posts" was about the question: when is promiscuity a good thing?
So, whe is promiscuity a good thing, in your view?

>Perfect recipe to end up marrying a stranger.
In your opinion, people who cohabit have happier and more successful marriages than those that don't?

>How is there being more important things make it unimportant? I compared it to a biologic instinct. It’s important those are met, but simply having it wont sustain a relationship.
Well, if hundreds of things are more important than sex, it isn't very important in a marriage.
And in your view, someone can't be happy while being celibate?

>> No.15192615

>>15192598
Have you ever lived with a friend? Are you unaware of how easy friendly relation ships deteriorate when people live together that have incompatible lifestyles?

>> No.15192620

>>15192603
>can’t answer 2/3 of question
>answer to the last 1/3 is “stop thinking so hard lol dumbass”
so this is the power of coombrains...

>> No.15192628

>>15192600
I really don't get your point. Could you explain it better? In my opinion, >>15192497 was not a strawman at all.

>> No.15192631

>>15192615
Yes, I’ve had friends that I lived with and ones I didn’t. Why do you think the latter can’t exist?

>> No.15192639
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15192639

The real question is why are some women so angry about it.

>> No.15192642

>>15192603
>Because pleasure = the most basic form of happiness, you over-analytical moron
Is sexual pleasure really happiness?
But how come there are promiscuous people who are unhappy and there are celibate people who are happy?

>> No.15192662

>>15192642
virgins cannot be happy

>> No.15192667

>>15192631
It’s about knowledge. Until you cohabit, you don’t know whether you have compatible lifestyles. Idk how that goes over you. You rolling the dice. Marriage is forever, I wouldn’t take it as lightly as just committing simply because the girl is a virgin.
>>15192628
Because that’s not an argument being made. When has it been said itt that “you think everyone should try out hundreds or thousands of sexual partners before getting married to find the perfect one”? When has anyone proposed this. The argument is being made that promiscuity isn’t inherently a bad thing and can be unimportant or that it’s fine in certain circumstances. Never prescribed, only defending it as a possibility.

>> No.15192669

>>15192620
But the other questions were too stupid to deserve a response. my decision not to waste time and how frequently I orgasm are not determinants of my intelligence ;)

>> No.15192677

>>15192662
now THIS is projection

>> No.15192683

>>15192639
Because girls want to be sluts 50% of the time and "good girls" the other 50% of the time.

Being one or the other is boring af

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>>15192444
All that whore cope to avoid a question.
The ultimate irony is that whores keep saying "sex doesn't matter that much!" yet they always kvetch about virgins. Sex doesn't matter, or isn't worth that much, yet they absolutely no self-control to not have it before marriage, or even to know a guy for longer than a day even.

>> No.15192686

>>15192662
Why not?
But again, I'm very curious. Why are there promiscuous people who are unhappy?

>> No.15192688

>>15192667
>Until you cohabit, you don’t know whether you have compatible lifestyles
What? You’ve never been to a friend’s house and seen how they live? You don’t talk to them? What do you even mean by friendship? It’s clearly a very strange definition.

>> No.15192704

>>15192669
>my decision not to waste time and how frequently I orgasm are not determinants of my intelligence
in fact they are

>> No.15192707

>>15192686
Because they are losers, everybody sees them as the pathetic subhuman genetic trash that they really are and treats them consequently.

>> No.15192708

>>15192614
>So, whe is promiscuity a good thing, in your view?
I said before. When in the course of all those partners, the individual has been left unsatisfied.
>people who cohabit have happier and more successful marriages than those that don't
It’s a useful way to get to know a person in a scenario more approximate to marraiged life than dating. It’s not a guarantee, but I would also want to cohabit with someone im considering marrying.
>Well, if hundreds of things are more important than sex, it isn't very important in a marriage.
It’s not the crux of it. Many things are important in a relationship, sex is one of them. But even if you’re sexually satisfied in it, if many other things are off, it’s not enough and it will crumble. You can’t fuck away a disagreement on where you want to live for the rest of your life.
>And in your view, someone can't be happy while being celibate?
Of course. But not because they’re celibate. I like Nietzsche’s quote here “chastity is a virtue for some, a vice for others”.

>> No.15192717

>>15192683
But they can't be both at the same time. How tragic.

>> No.15192721

>>15192688
>>15192704
>>15192707
>>15192708
Is slaughterhouse 5 any good?

>> No.15192722

>>15192667
>Because that’s not an argument being made. When has it been said itt that “you think everyone should try out hundreds or thousands of sexual partners before getting married to find the perfect one”? When has anyone proposed this. The argument is being made that promiscuity isn’t inherently a bad thing and can be unimportant or that it’s fine in certain circumstances. Never prescribed, only defending it as a possibility.
What was being discussed was why having many sexual partners was a good strategy to find a good marriage partner. If anything, you are saying that the post you are defending is the one that tried to avoid the question.

>> No.15192724

>>15192642
Lol, do you not have a basic understanding of happiness? It is not a permanent thing. Having sex doesn't mean you're going to be happy forever. However, in that moment, at least your problems are a little farther away, while you have a boneshaking orgasm

>> No.15192729

>>15192708
>I like Nietzsche’s quote here “chastity is a virtue for some, a vice for others”.
He means it in an eugenic way sweetie

>> No.15192733

>>15192707
In your opinion every celibate person is a loser and everyone treats them like trash?
Is the Dalai Lama a loser?

>> No.15192744

>>15192688
I really don’t think you’re taking your own points seriously. How is merely seeing someone’s place correspoding to how they live day by day? What if they wake up everyday at 11am? You wouldn’t see that from the composure of the room. What if they don’t wash their hands after going to the bathroom? What if they spend most of the day playing video games very loudly? Etc., etc. You don’t know how your friends actually are in daily routine for extended periods of time until you live with them for extended periods of time. How many of your friends know much time you spend on 4chan?

>> No.15192746

>>15192717
Just like it's a struggle for /lit/ members to be attractive and intelligent at the same time

>> No.15192751

>>15192733
he most likely had sex, unlike you

>> No.15192758

>>15192744
To my knowledge all of my friends know roughly what time I wake up, whether or not I wash my hands regularly, and what my hobbies are. It’s strange to me that this is a foreign concept to you.

>> No.15192761

>>15192708
>I said before. When in the course of all those partners, the individual has been left unsatisfied.
I don't understand your meaning. Unsatisfied about what? And why would being promiscuous help in this case?

>It’s a useful way to get to know a person in a scenario more approximate to marraiged life than dating. It’s not a guarantee, but I would also want to cohabit with someone im considering marrying.
Research shows that people who cohabit have unhappier marriages and divorce more often. Does that change your view on this topic?

>It’s not the crux of it. Many things are important in a relationship, sex is one of them. But even if you’re sexually satisfied in it, if many other things are off, it’s not enough and it will crumble. You can’t fuck away a disagreement on where you want to live for the rest of your life.
Being promiscuous, won't the importance of sex increase for you to detriment of others? Won't it make you forget about more important qualities and make you give preference to those who are better able to please your genitals?

>Of course. But not because they’re celibate.
Then why did you say sex is an important need that has to be met?

>> No.15192766

>>15192722
The best way to find a marriage partner is to know yourself and your desire so you can choose soundly.
Second best way is to make the same mistake multiple times by having a lot of failed relationships and then start some real introspective work.
Third way is to fuck your hand waiting for a pure virgin waifu and arguing like a pedant because you don't like a post

>> No.15192775

>>15192766
I'm sure that you have a lot of experience making mistakes

>> No.15192779

>>15192751
Well, I believe in him when he says he is celibate.
And so do most people. Considering he is widely regarded to be celibate, why do people treat him so well? Doesn't that go against your theory?

>> No.15192780

>>15192766
>The best way to find a marriage partner is to know yourself and your desire so you can choose soundly.
What if I desire a woman who isn’t promiscuous?

>> No.15192793

>>15192729
No he doesn’t, retard. The essay couldn’t be clearer.
>>15192722
>Could you explain your view? When is it normal and good to be promiscuous?
>If they’ve always been left unsatisfied with their partners. Wouldn’t you think it be fair for you to move on from your partners if none of them offer what you want from a relationship?
>So, when it comes to looking for a marriage partner, you believe the best strategy to be to sleep with many different people?
The marraige question is the origin of the argument and was a nonsequtur to the comment it repsonded to. Also, looking at it again, a strawman since I was defending promiscuity as a “good or normal” possibility, which he then twisted to “you believe the best strategy to be to sleep with many different people?”.

>> No.15192799

>>15192793
is not* the orgin

>> No.15192807

>>15192444
100% this. Well put.

>> No.15192809

>>15192780
You probably just want a replacement mommy

>> No.15192811

>>15192793
I still don't get your point. Let's think of some serial monogamist like Taylor Swift. Is it really a good thing that she jumps from partner to partner?

>> No.15192813

>>15192793
>No he doesn’t
What else could he mean?
He clearly means that some people are have undesirable traits and thus it's a virtue for them to not reproduce, while it would be a sin for the gifted to not reproduce.

>> No.15192814

>>15192811
How is a celebrity in any way a reference for a normal relationship?

>> No.15192815

>>15192807
Except that it doesn't really answer the question.

>> No.15192820

>>15192811
taylor swift is based

>> No.15192821

>>15192809
What makes you think that?

>> No.15192823

>>15192814
Well, it is an example of someone who jumps from relationship to relationship. I used her example because she is particularly famous for that.
But I'm sure that you know a few serial monogamists.

>> No.15192826

>>15192821
you have a differing opinion so you must have a malfunction

>> No.15192827

>>15192815
To a woman that’s a feature, not a bug

>> No.15192828

>>15192809
But that didn't answer his post, did it?

>> No.15192837

>>15192821
Men threatened by female promiscuity usually tend to feel that way

>> No.15192838

>>15192820
here is Taylor on love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X31Z2N513L0

He is sensible and
So incredible and
All my single friends are jealous
He says everything I need to hear
And it's like
I couldn't ask for anything better
He opens up my door
And I get into his car
And he says you look beautiful tonight
And I feel perfectly fine

But I miss screaming and fighting
And kissing in the rain
And it's 2 am and I'm cursing your name
You're so in love that you act insane
And that's the way I loved you
Breakin' down and coming undone
It's a roller coaster
Kinda rush
And I never knew I could feel that much
And that's the way I loved you

He respects my space
And never makes me wait
And he calls exactly when he says he will
He's close to my mother
Talks business with my father
He's charming and endearing and I'm
Comfortable

But I miss screaming and fighting
And kissing in the rain
And it's 2 am and I'm cursing your name
You're so in love that you act insane
And that's the way I loved you
Breakin' down and coming undone
It's a roller coaster kinda rush
And I never knew I could feel that much
And that's the way I loved you

He can't see the smile I'm faking
And my heart's not breaking
Cause I'm not feeling anything at all
And you were wild and crazy
Just so frustrating
Intoxicating complicated,
Got away by some mistake and now

>> No.15192843

>>15192813
Have you read the essay that quote is from? The point is that keeping to moral standards addressed to a certain end can be harmful to some and not others. The way that being chaste may make someone feel spiritually better or make someone into a resentful bitter person.
>>15192815
It addressed the substrate of the question, which as I pointed out was a nonsequtur and a strawman.
>>15192827
Keep at it, maybe one day you’ll believe it too.

>> No.15192846

>>15192837
Why do you think I’m threatened? Can a person not just find promiscuity unappealing?

>> No.15192852

>>15192826
Quit defending your own posts, lmfao

>> No.15192855

>>15192598
there is a huge difference between just being friends with someone and living with them. I've seen tons of friendships end through becoming room mates.

>> No.15192861

>>15192843
>It addressed the substrate of the question, which as I pointed out was a nonsequtur and a strawman.
It didn't.
And here is the deal: when is promiscuity good to a person?

>> No.15192862

>>15192846
Do you not like having sex? Or have you just never had it before?

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>>15191892
> Was he right?
No, every woman is a whore, there are no madonnas

>> No.15192867

>>15192855
Would you call everyone you’ve never cohabited with a stranger?

>> No.15192881

>>15192852
nice schizo post

>> No.15192882

>>15192861
>when is promiscuity good to a person?
That’s a different question and much simpler to answer. Promiscuity is good to a person that enjoys sex for sex’s sake.

>> No.15192887

>>15192862
Why are you conflating all sex with promiscuity? They’re different things. Can you not answer my question?

>> No.15192895

>>15192758
I'm not the person you're replying to but damn you sound like such a fucking dipshit and like someone who has 100% never lived with roomates. I hope you're trolling no one can be this much of an autist

>> No.15192901

>>15192864
based

>> No.15192912

>>15192895
That’s weird; I’ve had many roommates, in fact I have one now. You may need to recalibrate

>> No.15192916

>>15192887
Women are promiscuous because men respond positively and give them attention for it. Women want male attention because they want sexual partners, just like men.
Men who are intimidated or threatened by women who have had or who like having sex are usually sexually inexperienced or incompetent themselves.

>> No.15192921

>>15192882
>Promiscuity is good to a person that enjoys sex for sex’s sake.
Is drinking beer good to a person that enjoys beer for beer's sake?

>> No.15192923

Orgasm chasing apes. Get off my board.

>> No.15192930

>>15192916
That’s nice, but you still haven’t answered my question. Why do you think I’m intimidated or threatened? Can a person not find promiscuity unappealing?

>> No.15192933

>>15192912
the passive aggression in how you type is unreal

>> No.15192932

>>15192916
So, only losers can dislike promiscuity? Real men go after the town bycicle?

>> No.15192934

>>15192921
Yes. Whatever point you’re trying want to make, you should rephrase that question.

>> No.15192940

>>15192887
The answer is yes, he is a virgin, hence his inability to understand why people would derive pleasure from sex

>> No.15192944

>>15192933
Sounds like you’re reading what you want to read.

>> No.15192945

>>15192934
>Yes
Let's say I developed alcoholism. I still like drinking beer. Is drinking beer good for me?

>> No.15192947

>>15192867
why are you so autistic that you cant understand that "stranger" was just an exaggeration? It's called a figure of speech. How do robots like you even function in life?

>> No.15192949

>>15192944
this reply lmao, youre doing it on purpose

>> No.15192953

>>15192947
Why do you call autist anyone who refutes your point?

>> No.15192955

>>15192930
Because you only want to be with a woman who is like you, sexually inexperienced or incompetent

Or even better, one that doesn't want to have sex at all because the though absolutely terrifies you

>> No.15192967

>>15192949
he's either trolling or incredibly and unironically autistic. I know this word gets thrown around as an insult a lot. But i'm serious, he's on the spectrum.

>> No.15192969

>>15192955
In your mind, no one can find promiscuity immoral by itself? Everyone who dislikes promiscuity is some scared boy afraid of an independent strong woman?

>> No.15192977

>>15192940
You’re the only person to suggest that this lack of understanding exists. Do you think everyone who isn’t promiscuous doesn’t know that sex can be enjoyable?

>> No.15192979

>>15192945
Well, then you’re not drinking for drinking’s sake. You’re drinking because you’re addicted to it and need in order to sustain a buzz. Alcoholism is a disease. Look at people who love whiskey. They have hundreds of bottles at a time but dint get drunk or develop alcohlism. They drink whiskey because they’re enthusiast and love the taste. They buy $100 bottles. As any true alcoholic will tell you, a bottle wont last longer than a couple days and they buy whatever’s cheaper.

>> No.15192985

>>15192955
No, you’re just repeating yourself. I know that you think I feel that way; I’m asking why you think I feel that way.

>> No.15192991

>>15192969
Yep. How is sex immoral? Penises were literally made to fit inside of vaginas, whether designed by God or not

>> No.15192996

>>15192955
All men want virgin cuties, but most accept the tragic fact that the majority of modern women are whores.

>> No.15192997

>>15192991
Sex and promiscuity are different things, aren't they?

>> No.15192998

>>15192977
I think there's a lot of "it's not a great as everyone says it is" to help quell the incels around here

>> No.15193000

>>15192991
Why are you still conflating all sex with promiscuity? Do you not know that they’re different things?

>> No.15193007

>>15193000
Addressed here desu >>15192916

>> No.15193008

>>15192979
Then, would you agree that drinking beer was not good for me? That even if I like drinking beer, for its own sake that it was bad for me?
Would you agree that it is not because I like doing something that doing it is to my good?

>> No.15193010

>>15192991
how can killing be immoral? the knife is designed to be inserted in the flesh

>> No.15193011

>>15192998
Who has said that in this thread?

>> No.15193017

>>15193000
Promiscuity exists because people want to have sex with each other and indicate such

>> No.15193030

>>15193010
Human flesh was designed to taste so delicious

>> No.15193042

>>15193017
Yes, some sex is promiscuity. Not all of it is. Do you disagree?

>> No.15193043

>>15192998
But it indeed isn't as amazing as it seems dear virgin

>> No.15193045

it's funny how almost everyone in this thread is confirming that this complex is real.
To you every woman is either a virgin or a complete whore with a three digit body count. It's like there is no in between for you people, when it's actually the norm in the real world. All you talk about are extremes that are rather rare. Most women, or just people in general, go through a number of monogamous (long term) relationships in their lives before they settle down. Yet all you talk about are meme caricatures of people. And no one an tell me that the redpill mentality isn't to blame for this fucked up world view, when all you obsessively think about are "chad" and "stacy" archetypes as if life was a fucking cartoon. I usually don't say this but damn... go outside.

>> No.15193048

>>15192997
How am I going to get sex if I don't act promiscuously to the person I want to have sex with?

How do all of you guys that want virgin waifus think you're ever going to get one if the woman isn't supposed to take the initiative and y'all are too pussy to do it yourselves?

>> No.15193052

>>15193045
how do you understand the fact that there are entire regions of the world that have this same mentality, eg. a lot of Muslim countries

>> No.15193057

>>15193008
can you post normal reply and just say what you fucking want to say without making it a question everytime?

>> No.15193070

>>15193048
Could you define what promiscuity is? Your post makes no sense.

>> No.15193071

>>15193052
it's beyond retarded and backwards in my opinion

>> No.15193074

>>15193048
>How am I going to get sex if I don't act promiscuously to the person I want to have sex with?
the absolute state of roasties holy shit. you’ve been pumped and dumped so many times that you’ve forgotten that other types of interaction exist

>> No.15193075

>>15193045
I think the only thing this thread proves is that women aren't allowed to like having sex without being whores

>> No.15193081

>>15193008
This doesn’t follow. If you developed alcoholism from drinking beer, it’s not any individual beer’s fault or even drinking beer abstractly. The fault belongs to the relationship between the drinjing beer and your constitution since drinking that beer would have not resulted in alcoholism to someone else.
Promiscuity is no different here. To someone, lots of sex can become a crutch and rule your life and debase you. To somebody else lots of sex can be simply an element of their life. Like listening to music or reading.
Sex for sex’s sake, is what it is. An activity that derives it’s “goodness” from nothing else but itself. We can debate whether such a thing is possible ontologically or in actuality, but clearly that’s not what you mean. You’re trying to pass of a valuative judgement on promiscuity that is moral in nature. Which is why before this duscussion was based on whether it was okay to date or marry someone promiscuous.
>>15193052
how do you understand the fact that there are entire regions of the world that don’t? i.e the Western world

>> No.15193082

>>15193057
I don't think my post was hard to understand. You claimed that promiscuity is good to a person that enjoys sex for sex’s sake.
But that seems like a weird belief. it is not because you like something that you should overindulge on it.
Or do you disagree?

>> No.15193083

>>15193057
Is asking questions not a part of normal conversation?

>> No.15193092

>>15193074
But the conversation was about why people act promiscuously, which is to obtain sexual partners. How do you get people to have sex with you? Or do you just claim to be asexual and call it a day?

>> No.15193099

>>15193092
>But the conversation was about why people act promiscuously
it literally wasn’t, wipe the cum from your eyes and read it again

>> No.15193100

>>15193081
>how do you understand the fact that there are entire regions of the world that don’t? i.e the Western world
I understand it as different cultural values. The West used to think more along those lines too. Your contention that the only reason anyone would think that way is some kind of personal defect seems unlikely to me seeing how widespread those kinds of gender roles have been historically.

>> No.15193103
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15193103

>26 poster

>> No.15193104

>>15193083
is constantly forming every assumption or point you wanna make into a question not super annoying?

>> No.15193112

>>15193104
Do you think it is?

>> No.15193118

>>15193112
would i be wrong?

>> No.15193123

>>15193081
>This doesn’t follow.
Of course it does. You claimed that if you liked sex for sex sake, promiscuity would be good for you. It is not because you like something for its own sake that you should do it.
Would you agree that your first attempt to find a good time to be promiscuous was bad?

>If you developed alcoholism from drinking beer, it’s not any individual beer’s fault or even drinking beer abstractly. The fault belongs to the relationship between the drinjing beer and your constitution since drinking that beer would have not resulted in alcoholism to someone else.
>Promiscuity is no different here. To someone, lots of sex can become a crutch and rule your life and debase you. To somebody else lots of sex can be simply an element of their life. Like listening to music or reading.
So, now we are changing. You are claiming here that it depends on your constitution.
Let's suppose you were right and that I have a weaker constitution to sex. That it can dominate me. And that I like sex for sex sake. Should I become promiscuous?

>Sex for sex’s sake, is what it is. An activity that derives it’s “goodness” from nothing else but itself. We can debate whether such a thing is possible ontologically or in actuality, but clearly that’s not what you mean. You’re trying to pass of a valuative judgement on promiscuity that is moral in nature
Of course the discussion is moral. Morality is about what is good for yourself.

>> No.15193129

>>15193100
This will cause something itt, but it was once widespread value in the west to believe in God or Gods for no other reason but because you were told to. Pathologies can be normalized in society, we’re not rigid beings subjectied to a singular nature.

>> No.15193131

>OP posts a retarded bait thread
>Starts samefagging in the thread as a retarded feminist
>261 replies
This board is wonderful.

>> No.15193144
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>>15193045
Well not really, the complex as exposed by Freud consisted in the fact that some men in his time couldn't get it hard and have sex with their own virgin wifes but had a massive boner for literal street whores.
Thus to confirm that we manifest this complex you would need to prove that /lit/izens would want to have sex with a virgin girl despite having her available for it and prefered to have sex with a woman who had multiple partners.

>> No.15193154

>>15193131
Top kek

>> No.15193155

>>15193118
If I didn’t say you weren’t wrong, would you not disagree with me?

>> No.15193170

>>15193129
>we're not rigid beings
Clearly we are not. Modern feminism is an experiment and it will take a while to see its results

>> No.15193173

>>15193131
lmao i postet this thread and went for a walk and almost forgot about it. When i came back it had over 200 replies. I honestly thought it would get buried. I swear it wasn't me

>> No.15193187

>>15193173
Alright, I'll let you off this time. But the retards replying to the dumb bitch need to shut the fuck up.

>> No.15193193

>when you don't know which side of the argument the samefag is on

>> No.15193194

>>15193187
It is more than one. There are 3 or so tumblrinas here

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>>15193045
Just to add, the idea behind the complex was that some men view their own wifes as saints thus something too pure and good for sex and couldn't view them as sexual objects and express their sexuality with them. On the other hand they viewed street whores as sexual objects and managed to unleash their sexual urges on them.
I don't think any /lit/izen would find it difficult to fuck a qt 3.14 virgin.

>> No.15193216

>>15193123
>You claimed that if you liked sex for sex sake, promiscuity would be good for you.
Which is not equatable to having sex and then developing a sex addiction. Because you cease to be doing it for its own sake in that context, like alcoholism.
>It is not because you like something for its own sake that you should do it.
Nope. That’s a prescriptive point I never made. Even if you like sex for its own sake, it doesn’t imply you ought to do it. There is no imperitive from my pov.
>Would you agree that your first attempt to find a good time to be promiscuous was bad?
I don’t understand this question.
>That it can dominate me. And that I like sex for sex sake. Should I become promiscuous?
Is being addicted to it something you want? No? Then no. Yes? Go ahead. But be prepared for the consequences.
>Of course the discussion is moral. Morality is about what is good for yourself.
To you. For me, it’s an ontological discussion. I’ve treated “good” and “bad” as relative demarcations, not as absolute ones.

>> No.15193225

>>15193104
>>15193057
He's doing that so that he can continue the conversation without contributing to its level of acrimony and aggression. He could very easily post his full thoughts and then tell you to fuck off, but that would be unproductive and fail to stimulate any thought on your part.

Basically, if you don't even understand why the Socratic method is useful, you are not prepared to engage in any kind of debate.

>> No.15193233

ah yes, go back to posting about cigarettes and men jerking each other off and other "intellectual" pursuits

>> No.15193241

>>15193216
>Which is not equatable to having sex and then developing a sex addiction. Because you cease to be doing it for its own sake in that context, like alcoholism.
Until someone becomes alcoholic, is all the beer that this person drinks good for him?

>Nope. That’s a prescriptive point I never made. Even if you like sex for its own sake, it doesn’t imply you ought to do it. There is no imperitive from my pov.
You claimed that "Promiscuity is good to a person that enjoys sex for sex’s sake."

>I don’t understand this question.
Promiscuity is not necessarily good to a person that enjoys sex for sex’s sake.

>Is being addicted to it something you want? No? Then no. Yes? Go ahead. But be prepared for the consequences.
Then it is not true that "Promiscuity is good to a person that enjoys sex for sex’s sake." is it?

>> No.15193253

>>15193193
I can't tell either, but I'm still willing to bet that OP is larping as a tumblrina.
>>15193194
I think it's the same person posting over and over again, since all their posts are in the same voice.
>>15193233
Those threads are unironically better than this one. This is cancer.

>> No.15193266

>>15193253
question guy seemed to be dominating most of it

>> No.15193275

>>15193253
>Those threads are unironically better than this one. This is cancer.
Why do you think that?

>> No.15193295

>>15193253
I was enjoying myself lol

>> No.15193308

>>15193241
>Then it is not true that "Promiscuity is good to a person that enjoys sex for sex’s sake." is it?
This has been a relatively okay discussion, considering the topic. However I have to go. I will only address this point.
The good is always addressed to an end. As in your case, promiscuity is bad because it leads to infedility, or bad marraiges etc. Promiscuity is good if it’s end is just sex. It diesnt matter if it leads to sex addiction or failed marriages. If your end is to have sex (disregarding anything else) sex is the good. This is not a moral position imo.

>> No.15193316

Imagine having sex

>> No.15193322

>>15193308
The biggest point is: is having as your end sexual pleasure something that will give you happiness?

>> No.15193340

>>15193322
A brief, fleeting happiness

>> No.15193366

>>15193340
Worth

>> No.15193371

>>15193340
It will give fleeting pleasure, but not long term happiness.

>> No.15193415

>>15193371
Still worth

>> No.15193426

>>15193415
Even if it leads to long term unhappiness?

>> No.15193436

>>15193275
>>15193275
In those threads, there is no pretense of reasoned argument. In this one, a retarded feminist uses every pseudo-intellectual trick in the book against a far more skilled and intelligent opponent only to repeatedly get her ass handed to her. The former shits up the board but is tolerable and can be discouraged by the usual methods. The latter invites more of the same garbage behavior and will likely attract more sincere and insincere posters like her in the future. The whole thing is an exercise in futility and will only make this board worse.

>> No.15193442

>>15193426
Brief happiness is better than no happiness at all

>> No.15193446

>>15193266
he's just demonstrating the ~socratic method~ aka being an insufferable faggot

>> No.15193464

all you zoomer cunts acting like you're so wise when you know fuck all about marriage

>> No.15193522

>>15193464
Amazed that marriage is even still a concept or priority at this point.

>> No.15193536

>>15192123
>Women don't force them into violent disjunctive categories when it comes to their sexuality. They don't care how many women a man has slept with
Yes because women perform a DIFFERENT biological function than men. They are the gatekeepers on reproduction

>> No.15193658

>>15192182
>A man could go around fucking anything he wants and still demand a pure wife
Yes. And? A woman could go around fucking anything she wants (and with less effort than a man) and still demand a blindly loyal, infinitely permissive husband for a provider. So what? Plenty of people are selfish. Do you want a PhD for this revelation?

>> No.15193675

>>15193658
le open relationship face

>> No.15193682

>>15193446
Indeed, well spoken, anon! But pray, what does it truly mean to be a faggot? I speak not of mere examples of faggotry, but rather the nature of faggotry itself.

>> No.15193685

>>15191892
>Was he right? Is it a real thing?
Yes.

>> No.15193737

>>15193464
>making a contract to economically support a cow when you can get free milk

>> No.15194157

what DO women actually want?

>> No.15194185

>>15194157
They really don't know. v___v

>> No.15194294

>>15191959
>>15191892
postin freudian bluegrass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCAS5YXyKIA

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>>15191892
ITT: A bunch retards try to convolute a therapeutic diagnosis for why some men have a hard time having sex with their wives into a bludgeon to beat people over the head with in internet arguments like they do with any Nietzschean concept

>> No.15194538

>>15194157
Chad's cock and an infinite supply of beta resources

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>>15191959
>Everything has to have its neat little box, with no grey areas in between. In part because both "whore" and "madonna" are constructions designed to enforce male control over the female sex. "If I can define you, I can exert my will over you." etc. etc. It's a fundamental misunderstanding about femininity, that it has to be "a certain way", when femininity is very much defined by the dissolution of hierarchy and fixed categories.
I understand how feminity/masculinity prespectives have changed with history and from place to place, aswell as how they arent real objective strict segmentations on what defines them. But one could very well use this pseud-Deleuzean way of thinking to reach the same objectives of repression both on men and women. One could very well ackowledge things like gender abolition to further remove any criticism that he is being sexist or racist or even do a complete twist and say that there is no hierarchy to begin with.

Another note i would like put is that this way of trying to debunk things and accusing them as "bad" solely because they are imaginary, unrealistic segmations/defenitions wont make you more happy or free at the end. People love doing these ego investments and fantasies that are based on the products of the society they are brought in, even if they lead to self repression, if one tries to simply break these walls for them with the justification of liberation and maxing out well being or for bringing "innovation", it might aswell reach the opposite ends.

Would also like to point out how absurd it is to accuse a man of being misogynist solely because he has a preference on a certain trait that he can crave out (in his own subjective way) on a person of the female sex when it comes to forming relationships. This only further shows how you are being oppressive simply because you personally dont enjoy being categorized this way.
An entitlement so strong that it even needs to enter into people's minds and tell them what tastes and disjunctions they should make, only shows that this isnt even an attempt at liberation from some hierarchy, but trying to impose your own over other people.

>> No.15194920

>>15191997
>Source?
>tl;dr
>reddit spacing
Go back

>> No.15195126

>>15192383
This is never why it bothered me. it's always been the thought that I just can't have a mutual unique sexual experience with them. I'm pretty sure the inadequate thing is made up hollywood shit to epicly own men.

>> No.15195151

>>15195126
Men epicly own themselves

The longer you wait to lose your virginity, the harder it's going to be anon

>> No.15195273

>>15195151
There's really nothing that bad about being a virgin. All of this shit is just theory crafting and copes.

>> No.15195360

>>15192383
And whats the problem with that? Everyone has their preferences. I could also accuse the same people who dont like this categorization and are very vocal about it as insecure aswell.

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>>15195151
When I was 18 (and obsessed with losing my virginity) I was on vacation with some friends of mine and we stopped at another friend's apartment to hang out and go bar hopping. I was completely and utterly shitfaced by the time we came back to the apartment and I ended up hooking up with my friend's cute Korean roommate. It was a disgusting, shameful experience. I tried to eat her out at first but her pussy utterly stank and then I guess she sat on my cock for a bit before I told her to get off (we were outside on a cement balcony) and then I ended up lamenting to her about how sex was a lot harder to perform than I imagined. I told her that she smelled weird and that maybe a shower would be nice (and she was down for it), but by then I was way too fucking drunk to give a shit about anything besides passing out. This experience did not feel like I lost my virginity at all, so I didn't really count it as such.

The NEXT time I tried to lose my virginity was at the age of 20 with a prostitute in Germany. This experience also proved to be a terrible and shameful. The "losing my virginity" part of it consisted of me slipping my flaccid dick into her while she moaned and wailed as if I was giving her the fucking of a life time. It was so goddamn ridiculous that I started to laugh at her and asked her if we could stop. She was pretty puzzled by it, about as much as I was, but she seemed pretty relieved for me to want to end it. Once again, it was an experience that left me feeling even worse about myself than I did before "getting laid."

The only satisfying sex I've ever had was with an ex-girlfriend of mine, and that's because I genuinely loved her. She and I fucked after 3 years of us dating (she had some sexual hangups of her own) and after we fucked the relationship fell apart, but by then I had quit giving a shit about fucking her and just enjoyed her company. That didn't happen until I was 25.

>TL;DR
There is NOTHING satisfying about going out of your way to lose your virginity simply for its own sake and it doesn't improve a man's character at all. I was a loser before I had sex and I was still the same loser afterwards. It wasn't until I was able to fall in love with someone and have them share that love with me that I experienced growth in my character.

>> No.15195987

>>15195490
cute, anon. nice experience

>> No.15196158

>>15191997
based,roasties are coping

>> No.15196257

>>15194157
Who cares?