Capitalist Realism

[Anonymous No.15238372]

This put a lot of general frustrations that I’ve been experiencing for a while into actual words. Everybody should read this book.

[Anonymous No.15238401]

just downloaded it. did not realize it was that short of a book. it’s practically a pamphlet

[Anonymous No.15238434]

>>15238401
how long is it?

[Anonymous No.15238517]

>>15238372
sure man but keep in mind political literature is only going to exacerbate how deeply you feel these issues and then provide some kind of political action as a way to relieve them, and political action is almost always impotent and impractical and mixes you with the worst type of people. They have really visceral reactions to apolitical people, lefties are always like "oh you must be really privileged to not have to care about who gets elected" and righties are always like "you must be some kind of soi cucked bluepill guy who doesn't see his own doom is imminent" but they've been all about that specific type of response for decades and neither has ever actually accomplished anything meaningful, except for cultivating really sick little social scenes where they can backbite and establish flimsy media careers.
Better to focus on yourself. You're better than this type of information, I think you should prioritize more transcendent literature and art.

[Anonymous No.15238575]

>>15238517
I understand what you're saying but I don't think "focusing on yourself" and being politically-minded are mutually exclusive things. I'd say apoliticism and the idea that "we know its bad but that's just how things are" fits in perfectly with Mark Fisher's whole point about capitalist realism as a pervasive and damaging mindset. I don't often read political literature, and I'm more focused on fiction and what you'd call "transcendent literature and art." That doesn't mean I can't agree with this book.

[Anonymous No.15238585]

>>15238575
Sure man, I'm just saying it's a rabbit hole and not entirely worth delving into. It's also not as bad as it can seem if you keep your dialogue in an echo chamber like this one.

[Anonymous No.15238588]

Read K-Punk next

The vampire castle killed Mark

[Anonymous No.15238612]

>>15238434
the pdf says 88 pages including cover, title page, index if there is one etc

[Anonymous No.15238634]

>>15238434
>>15238612
I read it in a few days casually while reading other things as well.

[Anonymous No.15238662]

>>15238585
We have nothing to lose but our chains

[Anonymous No.15238667]

>>15238662
ugh, rhetoric. I'm out.

[Anonymous No.15239367]

ok im about halfway through this book now. it’s pretty good, but way too pessimistic, even to the point of verging on melodrama.

[Anonymous No.15239438]

>>15239367
guy killed himself, what did you expect

[Anonymous No.15239898]

>>15239438
didn’t even know that, jfc what a hack. socialism is supposed to be optimistic. anyone who suicides is disqualified from being a socialist imo

[Anonymous No.15239914]

>>15239898
>socialism is supposed to be optimistic
which results in this sort of cringe

[Anonymous No.15239940]

>>15239914
no it results in this

[Anonymous No.15239946]

>capitalism
>marx

[Anonymous No.15240609]

>>15238372
It’s a good pamphlet that puts a lot of things into layman’s terms (probably a good thing). I see it brought up more often online except for the most dedicated theory circles and forums. It’s definitely babby’s first anticapitalist theory but there’s enough theory that probably errs too far on the side of obscurantism. I like that Fisher also makes concrete political/systematic suggestions which, agree or not, is not something many theorists do to his level of straightforwardness.

[Anonymous No.15240610]

>>15239898
“Socialism” in the form of general philanthropy—although not inherently bad—can just be a distraction from the larger capitalist structure. Also, I don’t think his suicide is indicative of how “optimistic” socialism is.

[Anonymous No.15240855]

>>15240610
im not talking about that kind of “””socialism””” im talking about centrally planned economies aimed at the benefit of the public and development of industry and scientific research

[Anonymous No.15240859]

>>15238517
>>15238517
I think it's easy to justify politics to oneself by the feeling of helping a greater cause. But actually living life outside the bubble of media/internet politics/activists feels much healthier and fulfilling. I guess it's a kind of hypnosis where it's possible to get stuck believing that these are urgent problems which we must act on.

[Anonymous No.15240893]

>>15240859
Yeah some kind of self enforcing delusion that creeps from social media. Pretty lame I think

[Anonymous No.15241359]

>>15238372
Convince me

[Anonymous No.15241486]

>>15238372
You should read The Foundation for Exploration by Goonan

[Anonymous No.15242917]

>>15238517
this is a crazy burn

[Anonymous No.15243404]

>>15238372
reality is that capitalism is the best system. To put an example of this: it lift out of poverty billions of people so it passed from a 90% of extreme poverty in the world to a 10% nowdays

[Anonymous No.15243470]

>>15239946
good job

[Anonymous No.15243475]

>>15243404
Lmao nice joke my man

[Anonymous No.15243632]

>>15243404
Im pretty sure the debate has never been about the material efficacy of capitalism

[Anonymous No.15243657]

>>15238372
Do I need to read all 3 volumes of Marx's Capital, Deleuze and Nick Land to be able to understand this book?

[Anonymous No.15243681]

>>15243657
Yes. Your brain will explode if you try to read a single word of this flimsy pamphlet unless you are completely familiar with everything every critical theorist has ever written.
>>15238372
I read this piece of shit "today i saw a nice film and it made me sad" horsecrap when I was 17 and I have now grown out of it. I might advise you to do the same but seeing you struggle like the fool Cnut the Great mocked for "shouting at the sea" is entertaining.

Btw Mark killed himself cause he's a failure, not because of capitalism

[Anonymous No.15243711]

>>15243681
Why do you have so much spite in you?

[Anonymous No.15243768]

>>15239898
>socialism is supposed to be optimistic
What? No it isn't. Capitalism supposes people are inherently good and that their personal greed will be for the benefit of all. Socialism rejects this ridiculous optimism and proposes a planned economy.

[Anonymous No.15243820]

>>15243632
>Im pretty sure the debate has never been about the material efficacy of capitalism
Is it about our emotional health/happiness? If so, how can we measure that?

[Anonymous No.15243832]

>>15239898
>socialism is supposed to be optimistic
Lmaooo no
as zizek describe it "a revolutionary is a pessimist"

[Anonymous No.15243840]

>>15243832
>"a revolutionary is a pessimist"
Why?

[Anonymous No.15243854]

>>15243840
he sees no hope in current system and future

[Anonymous No.15243941]

>>15243681
You alright man

[Anonymous No.15244611]

>>15243820
>if we cant measure phenomenon, it means it does not exist