If philosophy is superior to religion...

[Anonymous No.15278500]

Why doesn't the philosophy of any thinker in the past 200 years have the transformative and effective power that Christianity still has to this day? Both on an individual and large scale.

[Anonymous No.15278533]

Probably Marx is the most comparable thinker to a religious one as far as wide and profound social influence goes. But the core of his appeal is to the brute, material side of human nature. Jaded elites, materialists looking for an ersatz religion, and hungry masses were his constituents.

Religion is the only thing that has successfully harnessed and synthesised the higher sentiments of mankind across wide swathes of social strata, giving even the common man an interest in metaphysics, ethics, history, philosophy, and spirituality.

[Anonymous No.15278558]

superiority ≢ societal impact
philosophy is the pursuit of truth, which is not judged by whatever received ideas are popular among the hoi polloi.

[Anonymous No.15278577]

From my experience the only people I've known who've been arguably changed by Christianity are simple evangelical folks, which isn't a testament to Christianity as a historical religion. These people were probably inherently good natured, and evangelicalism just gives them the framework to love God and put aside their addictions. Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and traditional mainline Protestantism haven't done that much good in the world, most of these dogmatic Christians are bad people with a self righteous complex

[Anonymous No.15278584]

>>15278577
from my experience you're a mongo

[Anonymous No.15278600]

>>15278500
>incredibly religious son (16M)
>M
As opposed to son(female)?

[Anonymous No.15278604]

>>15278600
He's on Reddit, can never be sure.

[Anonymous No.15278608]

>>15278584
Christianity can be beautiful from an aesthetic perspective, but it doesn't change lives. Bad people will still be bad even if they go through rituals, exoteric Christianity is one big cosmic joke

[Anonymous No.15278622]

>>15278558
>philosophy is pursuit of truth
Philosophy ended with Christianity then.

[Anonymous No.15278628]

>>15278500
>he thinks philosophy and religion are opposites

[Anonymous No.15278635]

>>15278608
Christianity is a great focus for bad people to repent of being bad. Nothing else is as focused on giving bad people a reason to be good.

[Anonymous No.15278639]

>>15278500
Religion=Philosophy over time

[Anonymous No.15278642]

>>15278500
I looked at the meme first and thought you're just some religious faggot.
Then I read the Reeeddit post title and fucking loled.
Nice find.

[Anonymous No.15278652]

>>15278622
whether it did or didn't, individual or societal change still has nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous No.15278656]

Well, I don’t know what makes you say philosophy is superior to religion since religion is inherently philosophical but I’m not sure you’re paying attention. The average person, but Westerner in particular, in 2020 goes through a life with a mindset more in line with the Marx or Mill than Christ or Buddha.

[Anonymous No.15278670]

Because there are more stupid people than smart people

[Anonymous No.15278679]

>>15278670
>Because there are more stupid people than smart people

[Anonymous No.15278895]

>>15278533
Good post

[Anonymous No.15279480]

>>15278500
because the Church is the Kingdom of Heaven.

[Anonymous No.15279559]

>>15278500
Philosophy be like, imma question everything and not provide concrete answers and solutions

[Anonymous No.15279567]

>>15278533
I presume you are the CEO of Baaed?

[Anonymous No.15279569]

>>15278558
>>15278652
The thread should have simply ended at this place.

[Anonymous No.15279591]

>>15278558
> pursuit of truth
That's over. There's no such thing as Truth, according to philosophy.

[Anonymous No.15279606]

>>15279591
Retard.

[Anonymous No.15279625]

>>15279591
you cunts were btfo's by Aristotle over 2000 years ago. sit down.

[Anonymous No.15279631]

>>15279625
Atheists and irreligious people were also btfo by Aristotle at the same time.

[Anonymous No.15279651]

>>15278652
What an unbelievably ignorant comment. To be expected from an animeposter.

[Anonymous No.15279816]

>>15279651
explain to me my unbelievable ignorance. demonstrate to me how the particular affect of a proposition is the truthmaker of that proposition.

[Anonymous No.15280194]

>>15278500
If anything, this post proves that a parent cannot be passive in their children's moral training. For me, it's Bach, Plato, and selections of Greek mythology

[Anonymous No.15280657]

>>15278558
based...

[Anonymous No.15281402]

>>15280194
his parents are mentally ill... a bisexual and a stoner. the dad was likely molested and would have done it to his son too

[Anonymous No.15281415]

>>15278558
t. only reads philosophers preserved by the canon

[Anonymous No.15282119]

>>15281402
go back to /pol/ you insecure tranny

[Anonymous No.15282226]

>>15278533
high IQ post

[Anonymous No.15282667]

>>15282119
The reason you uses the word insecure is because that's how you feel.

[Anonymous No.15283209]

Philosophy has its place, but true religion is based on actual religious experience with spiritual realities and divine values, philosophy cant compete.

[Anonymous No.15283248]

>>15278500
Because it’s not as satisfying to consider things rationally as it is to choose to believe in something you want to be true

[Anonymous No.15283292]

>>15283248
>rationally
Oh no no no

[Anonymous No.15283353]

>>15283209
>true religion is based on actual religious experience with spiritual realities and divine values

[Anonymous No.15283791]

>>15283353

[Anonymous No.15283878]

>>15278600
KEK

[Anonymous No.15283910]

>>15278500
>we're agnostic, but thought it was nice someone else was teaching our son his values and raising him
>"the fact that we smoked it just fits the profile hat we don't care about the consequences of our sins"
>son just got up and left and drove home
honestly good for this kid. His parents are nihilists and he's coming of age realizing how fucking evil it is to have zero convictions of right and wrong. His parents are lukewarm and he is spitting them out of his mouth. I genuinely cannot imagine having so little conviction that you completely are OK with another group of people raising your son and then getting mad when he has a sense of right and wrong (even if he is too immature to use it correctly). Clearly the son is more upset by the fact that his parents abdicated their responsibility to teach him right from wrong than he is at the individual sins, but this retard "dad" can't see that. They shouldn't be crying and upset that that have a monster for a son, they should be in the position to guide and correct how he applies his convictions but they are unable to do so as they are not truly his parents anymore and it's their fault.

[Anonymous No.15283919]

>>15280194
based

[Anonymous No.15283971]

Daily reminder it has been empirically proven religiosity stifles scientific innovation.

https://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Religion%20December%201g_snd.pdf
http://www.nber.org/papers/w21052.pdf

Daily reminder the overwhelming majority of leading scientists are atheists

https://www.nature.com/articles/28478
https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1936-6434-6-33

Daily reminder most philosophers are atheists

https://philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl

Daily reminder religious people are less intelligent according to dozens of studies.

http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/The_Relation_Between_Intelligence_and_Religiosity__A_Meta-Analysis_and_Some_Proposed_Explanations.pdf

Daily reminder religious people are less educated

https://www.economist.com/news/international/21623712-how-education-makes-people-less-religiousand-less-superstitious-too-falling-away

Religious people are literally a lesser breed of human

[Anonymous No.15284082]

>>15278500
Christianity appeals to proles you retard, it's core is founded on Greek philosophy warped with pageantry and superstition. However, Christianity is, of course, preferable to atheism.
That son is extremely based though for btfoing his left-wing parents

[Anonymous No.15284175]

>>15283971
Daily reminder religious people are happier and healthier with better mental health:

>The majority of well-conducted studies found that higher levels of religious involvement are positively associated with indicators of psychological well-being (life satisfaction, happiness, positive affect, and higher morale) and with less depression, suicidal thoughts and behavior, drug/alcohol use/abuse.
CONCLUSIONS:
There is evidence that religious involvement is usually associated with better mental health.
Religiousness and mental health: a review.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16924349

>The amassed research indicates that higher levels of religious belief and practice (known in social science as "religiosity") is associated with better mental health. In particular, the research suggests that higher levels of religiosity are associated with lower rates of depression, anxiety, substance use disorder, and suicidal behavior. Religiosity is also associated with better physical health and subjective well-being.
Likewise, research indicates that religiosity can enhance recovery from mental illness, aiding in the healing process. For example, one classic research study shows that recovery from severe mental illnesses such as schizophrenia is better in countries with higher levels of religiosity.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/201712/religion-and-mental-health-what-is-the-link

[Anonymous No.15284199]

>>15284175
Yeah, but these are dogmatist Christians. Traditional Christianity is a death cult, which calls for it's adherents to abandon their friends, families, and society in order to escape the grip of Satan

[Anonymous No.15284321]

>>15284175
>social activity is correlated with well-being
Is this seriously the best christcucks have? Lmao

[Anonymous No.15284407]

>>15284199
And now you've been exposed as a retarded underager. Kys

[Anonymous No.15284422]

isn't one of the 10 commandments literally to honor thy mother and father

[Anonymous No.15284474]

>>15281402
That hurt as a bisexual and being molested

[Anonymous No.15284512]

>>15278608
> I’ve personally never observed this change a life
> therefore it never changes life

This is the logic in opposition to Christianity.

[Anonymous No.15284636]

>>15284422
Saving their souls is honoring them fart ass

[Anonymous No.15284695]

>>15284636
saving their souls by berating them constantly? nigga shut the fuck up I bet you've never read the bible

[Anonymous No.15284746]

>>15278500
This is an excellent question.

The answer, I believe, lies primarily in the fact that Christianity is very good at replicating itself. In other words, like a good gene, Christianity is a good meme.

Think about it. It encourages its members to exploit social pressure to get others to convert (them burning in hell is a lot worse than an awkward conversation!), it's largely tolerable when a minority (it preaches mostly fluffy things), etc., and it employs ritual practice (Sundays!) to maintain the core structure of the belief. It also does not tolerate competition (One True God philosophy that was foreign to pagans). It's a lot more robust than any polytheism ever was.

That's why it won.

The ultimate test of what ideas people hold are subject largely to which ideas are capable of replicating and preserving themselves - much of which has little to do with human well-being.

[Anonymous No.15284747]

>>15284695
Have you? Your terrible, nasty language doesn't speak highly. I will pray for you...

[Anonymous No.15284792]

>>15284695
Yeah because Jesus said going to he'll is one thing, but having tough conversations with self destructive relatives is worse.

Oh wait he said the opposite, "fart ass"

[Anonymous No.15284800]

>>15284746
I think well being is a part of it. People wouldn't be Christians if they didn't get something out of it

[Anonymous No.15284857]

>>15284800
That is a fair point.

I would suggest that individuals can be sort of recruited to a memetic phenomenon like this, by means of certain handouts from it. In Christianity's case, this may be community, feelings of verisimilitude, the hope of salvation, etc. In Marxism's case, this is the feeling of being on the cusp of history, and a feeling of superiority over one's former boss.

However, keep in mind that there's a certain prisoner's dilemma at play here. It is perfectly reasonable that a memetic phenomenon may produce, in the aggregate, worse outcomes for people. Especially when it gains primacy, it can use negative (instead of positive) reinforcement to recruit and maintain supporters. Like how cults would.

Think, in the Middle Ages, the dominant form of Christianity greatly contributed to the stagnant nature of the society, and in the last century, communism created horribly repressive regimes. But, to one living in the middle ages, or one living in the soviet union, the best thing to do was to be an adamant papist, or an adamant orthodox communist (avoid the gulag!) - even if so doing ensures the maintenance of an intolerable regime.

[Anonymous No.15285094]

>>15279559
illiterate detected

[Anonymous No.15285419]

>>15278577
Evangelicals just like to shitpost and yell about homosexuality and go "convert" Catholic countries. The RCC, for all its faults (both theological and otherwise) is one of the biggest humanitarian forces in the world, if not the biggest.
Mainline Prots do a decent bit, but they lack the huge infrastructure that the Romans have.

[Anonymous No.15285434]

>>15280194
I understand how Plato and Greek mythology can teach morals, but what did Bach do in the realm of philosophy/morals?

[Anonymous No.15285501]

Religion is more practical, philosophy was too. Nowadays philosophy is academic. Thats why they said all The philosophy after Plato are footnotes of his writing.

[Anonymous No.15285571]

>>15285434
>but what did Bach do
This. Zelenka is clearly superior.

[Anonymous No.15285587]

>>15285571
I'm not being a dick, at least not intentionally. I just don't know how a musician can impact morality.

[Anonymous No.15285728]

>>15285419
Catholics like to be faggots

[Anonymous No.15285796]

>>15285587
Being exposed to more complex music at an early age is an incredibly good thing, compared to overly tonic music that tends to define the last 70 years.

[Anonymous No.15285859]

>>15278500
Damn that kid is unironically based as fuck. I only became a Christian at 22 and don't even go to church because I'm too autistic to interact with people (which I hope God forgives me for), but when I was 16 I was a weed smoking metalhead who fucked my girlfriend raw and pressured her into getting 2 abortions. I even went through a Satanism phase. I cringe when I think back to how much of a sinner I was.

[Anonymous No.15285890]

>>15285859
Work on going to church, anon. I don't like talking to people much, and you can get by with "Walk in, sit down, pray, shake hands and recite "Peace be with you" then continue not talking to anyone, take Communion, and sit for a little longer, then leave." It'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.15285924]

>>15285728
projection

[Anonymous No.15286121]

>>15278558
Dilate.

[Anonymous No.15286139]

>>15282119
>no u
Brilliant. Go dilate, faggot.

[Anonymous No.15286171]

>>15278608
>he thinks that dogma is representative of the religion as a whole
I don't even have an anime girl picture smug enough to express how misled you are.

[Anonymous No.15286595]

> separating religion from philosophy

[Anonymous No.15286879]

>>15286595
>using alt right Nazi meme text