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Kaczynski and Eco-Fascism is a dead end. Read Bookchin instead

>> No.15316982

>>15316973
>Bookchin
refuted by Bob Black (pbuh)
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-anarchy-after-leftism

>> No.15316995

>>15316973
>against torturing animals
>ate commercially produced meat

>> No.15317009
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Haven’t read Ted yet, but The Next Revolution is an honest critique of tankie and individualist anarchists, bit goes a step further to propose an alternative to their failings.

>> No.15317013

>>15316995
>You cannot be socialist, honey. You have microwave.
We laugh at you. Is this your intent?

>> No.15317021

>>15317013
please go away, you're an embarassment for the actual leftists of /lit/.

>> No.15317027

>>15317013
Why could Linkola practice what he preached but this old fart couldn't?
This isn't "uh you are against society but you participate in it" this is an abolitionist owning slaves. There is no reason he become an ethical vegetarian under capitalism, or if he so chose, hunt his own food.

>> No.15317125

>>15317021
Who apparently hide.
>>15317027
...behind gurus

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>> No.15317145

>>15317009
The problem with bookchin is that his analysis of the origin of hierarchy is just incorrect. Archeological evidence suggests that domestic violence and the domination of men over women occurred even in the oldest societies, and bookchin failed to comment on the fact that it is still widespread among present day primitives. As well, his suggestion that all hierarchy originates from Gerontocracy is completely unsubstantiated, and again contradicts evidence that while feeble individuals in primitive communities may have been kept alive, social prestige and power were directly correlated with hunting ability in men and fertility in women. If someone were to update bookchins theories with modern archeology they might be more defensible, but without historical backing his theories loose much of their validity, and he looks even more utopian than before

>> No.15317156

>>15317013
Consuming meat (thereby directly funding the meat industry) is a direct cause of the brutal torture of trillions of animals. Buying a microwave, while it may be made by people earning a low wage in China, is not analogous because we are not breeding the people in China to enslave them, put them into grinders, slit their throats, rape them, take their babies, and eat their dead corpses.

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>>15316973
Bookchin was a loser.

>> No.15317208

>>15316973
>reading Zionists

>> No.15317230

>>15317125
Not an argument commercial lefty.
How can you be against slavery while owning slaves?
Or against racism while lynching black people?

>> No.15317266

Not strictly relevant, but I'd like to note how comical the defense of Ted is, where someone says he was a math genius and had a 200 Iq and therefore his analysis of human psychology and society is foolproof.
First, the reason he is so popular is because his analysis of society is incredibly easy to understand, and pithy to quote, but is for the same reason exetremly inaccurate. Modern people living subsistence lifestyles are just as, if not more so, unhappy than those in technological society by every quantifiable metric. Does this mean that modern society makes people happier, and that therefore everyone should embrace technology? No, but it does suggest that there is something beyond the pure abstraction of your labour from food production that determines your happiness and fulfillment.
Second, iq and achievement in one field is by no means a justification for a faulty argument in another. Should we embrace alchemy because Newton practiced it? Should we accept Goethe's retarded ideas about physics because he wrote great works? No. And really this degree and iq flinging makes you just as bad as the twitter academic I'm sure you criticize for claiming that their history MA makes them qualified to say that actually niggers were the first on the moon. Can all of you please read Heidegger and shut the fuck up?

>> No.15317462

>>15317009
a bundle of sticks

>> No.15317584

>>15317145
>all hierarchy originates from Gerontocracy
Impulse true of sedentary societies and boom/bust cycle [pornographic 'acting' to cover studen loan debts]; man had to carve out a measure of security/agricultural surpluss to reach life expectancies to facilitate gerontocracy.

>> No.15317585

>>15317230
>>15317156
>>15317145
Nice try lads but the decrepit dyke dilettante won't bother arguing against any of this

>> No.15317617

>>15317027
>Why could Linkola practice what he preached but this old fart couldn't?
kek. that not true, he whined his whole life about over population but still had kids.

>> No.15317643

>>15317145
>Archeological evidence suggests that domestic violence and the domination of men over women occurred even in the oldest societies, and bookchin failed to comment on the fact that it is still widespread among present day primitives.
this is false. bands (the oldest societies) are characterized by gender egalitarianism. are you thinking of tribes?

>> No.15317679

>>15317617
Having children is the best way to ensure your ideology continues, when the majority reject it.

Also having children was still consistent with his ideology, it would just be regulated by the government:
>for one out of ten couples, procreation would be banned, while the remaining nine out of ten would be allowed to have no more than two children each.

>> No.15317703

>>15317679
cope harder.
he was a hypocrite but still a decent thinker.

>> No.15318140

>>15317643
No, they are not. Remains found of women among very early native Americans (around 8,000+ years old) show prepubescent pelvis trauma suggesting rape of minors, and arm fractures typically only found among people whose arms have been pulled or dragged, that almost exclusively occur among domestic violence victims in modern times

>> No.15318170

>>15317584
Yeah sure, but Bookchin's whole thesis is that domination in human societies results in the domination of nature. If the earth is dominated through large scale agriculture w/ use of ox plows before social hierarchy emerges than Bookchin's arguement is null. We see in pre-agriculture grave remains in europe and the middle east that young men in their physical prime, and women with signs of many childbirths are buried with the most grave goods, and the elderly with less suggesting that the elderly held less prestige in the community than the young, healthy, and fertile.