Any /lit/ about the fall of men?

[Anonymous No.15424383]

The data is clear, men in the first world are going to be losers for generations to come. Has anything close to this ever happened again? Any fiction around this subject?

[Anonymous No.15424467]

this will continue until we dispel with the fiction that women are less valued than men in modern society when they are in reality valued far higher and treated far better

[Anonymous No.15424489]

Women are inherently better at performing most labor required in the post industrial economy, and the efficiency sought after by the power players in our society require that it be altered to better meet the needs of women, even if that comes at the expense of the vast majority of men.

[Anonymous No.15424512]

>>15424489
what, in your opinion, make them more suited? is it their passivity (Which makes them more able to adapt to a sterile, bureaucratic hellscape)?

[Anonymous No.15424528]

>>15424512
Generally better social and linguistic skills. Makes them better suited for nearly service industry and management positions. Their tendency to conformism doesn't hurt them either.

[Anonymous No.15424561]

>>15424528
Interesting. From there you could argue that the feminization of modern men is actually just a byproduct of the industrial system trying to make its workers as subservient and docile as possible. perhaps all of this talk of "toxic masculinity" only serves as a cover for the system fostering a slave mentality in the common man. these young boys have no outlet for their masculinity and thus turn to vice and social self-isolation to cope with a system that demands they be subservient.

[Anonymous No.15424570]

>>15424561
sounds like you'd like Marx

[Anonymous No.15424576]

>>15424570
I'm actually very interested in the leftist critique of capitalism, but I feel as though most of their critiques could be applied to industrial society as a whole

[Anonymous No.15424587]

>>15424561
I wouldn't go that far. I don't think there's any grand conspiracy to try and render men docile. I merely think economic forces encourage men to adopt certain feminine tendencies in order to secure economic advancement. By and large they'll never be as good such behaviors as women, thus requiring that women's advancement is among society's top priorities. As a byproduct it renders much of the population subservient.

[Anonymous No.15424648]

>>15424587
Yeah bro it's all a coincidence. Shut the FUCK up. You do realize this is all due to women being in the workforce in the first place?

[Anonymous No.15424915]

>>15424383
The Decline of Men by Lionel Tiger

[Anonymous No.15424938]

>>15424587

>hm I heard of some people a few villages over cooking and eating wild ox and they said it was pretty tasty. But I wouldn't go that far. I don't think there's any grand conspiracy to try and render wild ox docile.

[Anonymous No.15424980]

>>15424587
people may not be actively be thinking it, but subconsciously or not that's whats happening

[Anonymous No.15425075]

>>15424489
that is completely irrelevant and not true.

[Anonymous No.15425123]

>>15425075
It's completely true. In many of today's most important positions, men just literally can't compete.

[Anonymous No.15425176]

>>15425123
Not remotely true, and that's why there is a pay gap. When men work they still out perform women, not necessarily because women are less competent, but rather because they purposefully avoid taking longer hours, skipping vacation time, and drop out of stressful jobs.

The fall of men I'm talking about has nothing to do with that. It's main causes are the rise in single motherhood, education changing to be anti-male, feminism creating road blocks to fix any of these problems, and the addicting nature of porn and video games. It's totally irrelevant to creating "modern workers" or any nonsense like that.

[Anonymous No.15426015]

>>15425176
Couldn’t it be all of these factors working in tandem. I mean ultimately the industrial system is focused on maximizing efficiency so I feel like the things you brought up are just byproducts of that process. In other words, cultural decline plays a role but is in and of itself a product of deeper systemic issues

[Anonymous No.15426059]

>>15424383
Darwin. The weak perish or live lowly lives, as they should.

[Anonymous No.15426087]

>>15424489
There are literally quotas everywhere for women because they don't perform well enough. That alone is going to have a large impact on the performance of men, and many men have given up because they dont see the point in marriage anymore which was the main reason men ever bothered to work. And yet all of this being true men still make more money, because they work more and in higher paying fields.

[Anonymous No.15426091]

>the problems of the modern man
>immediately start whinging about women

oh for FUCKS sake man can you people keep your eyes on the ball for 2 godamn seconds.

[Anonymous No.15426106]

>>15426091
yeah there will definitely be no connection to women when discussing the state of men, are you serious

[Anonymous No.15426117]

Brave New World. A world without risk and conflict is a world that doesn't need men.

[Anonymous No.15426150]

>>15424383
Reminder that Zimbardo is the same guy who performed the 1971 Standford prison experiment. I woudn't put my trust in a guy who didn't put the proper parameters on his experiment to ensure no one got hurt

[Anonymous No.15426157]

>>15424383
It's a fantasy. Men still do almost all the essential work in society, and the ones who don't do anything complex live efficiently, i.e. use few resources, i.e. "are losers", which would be called "heroically stopping global warming" if the world wasn't viciously sexist toward males and didn't consider them cattle no matter what they do.

>>15424489
This is laughably wrong because above. You just said they're good at sitting around and talking, which is what constitutes most of an 8 hour work day for most white collar female "jobs."

>>15424528
Nearly all of these jobs are non-essential make work nonsense. Removing managers typically hardly impacts efficiency, and the productive output of a company comes from a few low level employees.

If this trend of sexism against males continues, which it looks like it will, then men just really need to start looking at taking care of our own needs and really separating our resources from women entirely.

Men get attacked constantly as a group but have a lot of strong general qualities: they're efficient, technically-minded, easily satisfied, eager to prove themselves, etc. It's unfortunate that males generally sexually repel each other unlike women who seem almost totally secretly bisexual, that's probably the greatest difficulty.

[Anonymous No.15426162]

Values are changing. This generation realizes that greed and government have fucked up their future. Is it any wonder why suicide is growing?

[Anonymous No.15426167]

>>15426157
>really separating our resources from women entirely.
You can't do that because male taxes are given to women

[Anonymous No.15426202]

>>15426167
Women will always need mountains of male resources and labor, and that's fine. That's just how nature works. But the way women get male resources today is different from the "husband-wife" dynamic. Maybe males should collectively bargain as a sex, like unions do.

[Anonymous No.15426243]

Men are struggling because they're a bunch of video game addicted pussies.

Video games have destroyed men.

[Anonymous No.15426261]

>>15426243
men who don't play videogames largely have the same set of problems

[Anonymous No.15426273]

>>15426243
>>15426261
Men just don't need much or want much unless women force them to do it to compete with them.
Like Chris Rock said "a man would fuck in a cardboard box if he could."

Men's efficiency and lack of needs is one of the best things about them, but it gets shit on as well.

[Anonymous No.15426281]

>>15426273
*compete for them

[Anonymous No.15426303]

>>15424489
What a load of horseshit.

A man can pretend to be a tranny and enjoy the same priveleges women do despite nothing inherently being different about hin

[Anonymous No.15426312]

>>15426303
*him

By the way this is propably one of the reasons why there are so many trannies now

[Anonymous No.15426330]

>>15426303
>>15426312
And society will never admit it, and if you confront someone about it, they will just baldfacedly deny it, even though all the data is on your side. So I guess just try the best you can to protect yourself legally and privately.

[Anonymous No.15426391]

>>15426303
>>15426312
basedboys too. They have comparable consumerist tendencies to women

[Anonymous No.15427512]

>>15424383
How about one about the opposite. OK doomer?

[Anonymous No.15427524]

Summary of all these books:
>VIIIIDDEEEEOOOO GGAAAAMMEEEESS REEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.15427532]

>>15427524
man do thing for man bad
woman do thing for woman good
man do thing for woman very good

[Anonymous No.15427533]

>>15426015
that's not how the work-force works, none of the things happening to boys is because of employment. You can blame government or capitalism, but having single moms or cutting recess from school doesn't somehow help business.

[Anonymous No.15427539]

>>15427512
the fact social conditioning is so bad these guides are necessary is bonus evidence.

[Anonymous No.15427547]

Have you guys worked in an office in a large corporation? Acting like a woman is practically mandatory. Extroversion and fake enthusiasm are the main keys to success.

Hard skills instantly become commoditised. Soft skills give you a secure web of bullshit you can use as a hammock within a certain corporation.

[Anonymous No.15427557]

>>15427547
that's not the problem, the problem is this generation of men are gimped before they can even get into the office.

[Anonymous No.15427566]

>>15425176
read Infinitive Jest. It might not exactly talk about "men". But rather, the society we live in.

[Anonymous No.15427579]

Education being heavily anti male.
The culture (feminism) blocking solutions to male issues.
A lot of men having dire economic prospects so they don't even bother.

Men are escaping in to video games and porn because of the dire prospects and reduced standard of living.

[Anonymous No.15427592]

>>15427547
>Extroversion and fake enthusiasm are the main keys to success.
Is this not a problem though? There is a middle ground between that behavior and being a standoffish autist, a balance of sociability and emphasis on actual performance.

[Anonymous No.15427659]

>>15426243
Video games are not entirely different from the hunter-gatherer times where men spent quite a bit of the day hunting with the lads. The issue today of course is that video games don't bring in the bacon as it once did.

[Anonymous No.15427810]

>>15427524
Video games are one of the worst uses of time imaginable.

[Anonymous No.15427822]

>>15427659
Its also a bit different than being out for real :3

[Anonymous No.15427828]

>>15427810
They're not any worse than bingeing netflix, which is somehow treated entirely differently.

[Anonymous No.15427832]

>>15427659
Yes yes, bacon n lads, bacon n lads, quite true, quite tru wot wot

[Anonymous No.15427847]

>>15427828
That's also terrible.

[Anonymous No.15427872]

>>15427822
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ2V49j-vzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV_KksMbj1E
Video games were an exquisite and sophisticated medium until the mouthbreathing retard hordes and capitalists fuckstarted them. They unironically exposed a generation to much higher art than they would have encountered otherwise.
Kids who grew up in the 90s were really lucky.

[Anonymous No.15427940]

>>15427828
I can't take people who spend all day watching net-flix seriously.

Not only is it a waste of time, it's a boring waste of time.

[Anonymous No.15428002]

>>15427940
There's almost nothing on Netflix worth watching

[Anonymous No.15429788]

>>15427810
I don't care I make more money than you

[Anonymous No.15429789]

>>15424383
even more interesting is the shit thats happening to girls

[Anonymous No.15429809]

>>15427566
>Infinitive Jest

[Anonymous No.15429833]

>>15429789
Seriously what's happened with feminism and sex work
How could any self-respecting woman think that fucking old fat men or posing nude online for money empowers young girls
I know not all feminists support sex work but it's still so fucking depressing

[Anonymous No.15429850]

>be inhuman capitalist society
>create shitton of problems for men
>make sure to creating movements making it impossible to solve said problems
>turn into orwellian nightmare,
>start collapsing

Checks out

[Anonymous No.15429852]

>>15429833
It's easy work that makes them a ton of money, and technology makes it almost completely safe?

They are being paid six figures to have orgasms in front of a camera. What happened to your addled brain that you could consider that "oppression?" The ones being oppressed are the sad, lonely males who are draining their wallets for scraps of fake affection for someone who will never care about them, ever.

[Anonymous No.15429864]

>>15429852
yes, and sex workers are happy + healthy people.

[Anonymous No.15429866]

>>15429833
>fucking old fat men or posing nude online for money empowers young girls

It dosent, but due to state/corporate propaganda, by the time they figure out the game, they are already meth addicted prostitutes without any other prospects in life

[Anonymous No.15429870]

>>15429852
I think it's degrading but I agree, the biggest moral evil is monetising the loneliness of others. Especially in such a way that they get addicted and can do nothing to get out of their situation

[Anonymous No.15429871]

>>15429833
>>15429866
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHH SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THESE STUPID WOMEN WHO ARE MAKING MORE THAN NEUROSURGEONS TO DIDDLE THEMSELVES
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
STOP THE WOMAN WORSHIP
IT IS KILLING WESTERN CIVILIZATION

[Anonymous No.15429879]

>>15429871
Do you think that raising a generation of prostitutes doesn't affect (straight) men?

[Anonymous No.15429884]

>>15429879
It doesn't matter. Women are sexually liberated, they will never again submit to male authority, and sexually liberated women take miles of dick. And why wouldn't they? Since they're multiorgasmic with no refractory period, it's a mystery to me why they don't just sit around cumming all day. What kind of creature are they?

[Anonymous No.15429890]

>>15424383
>>15424648
>>15425176
>>15426091
>>15426243
>>15427532
>>15427547
>>15427579
>>15427810
i believe the way to fix men is to adopt a monastic life style.

get away from internet and social media and only work towards yourself. Prioritize your endeavours and make sure to go deep with them. Having something to work towards. This will help them discern meaning and find something in life they want to cultivate.

Men have no role models anymore, and they are addicted to the internet. Those two combined can only lead to a few things. The attractive men will take all, the unattractive will practice solitary, and the middle will become the stepping stones for women while drifting between the two.

[Anonymous No.15429898]

>>15429884
The kind that bleeds once a month and doesn't die son.
But I was referring to literal prostitutes. In so far as normal sex goes, sure a woman having had many partners would make her unattractive to me, but it's not a societal problem
t. Virgin

[Anonymous No.15429953]

Why would I contribute to a society that is outwardly hostile towards me?

Call me a loser if you want, but I'll take doing what I want and being insulted over doing what other people want me to do and still being insulted for it. Men are completely desexualized, socially devalued, and increasingly economically alienated. If you look at university sex ratios its only going to get worse and I've heard for over a decade how women make a whole nickle less for every dollar a man makes but pointing out that most girls pay hundreds of dollars less in rent is sexist and discussion of men's issues that isn't strictly framed as "dismantling the patriarchy" is instantly dismissed as conspiratorial pseudo-fascism.

Just not much point in it all. Obviously sedating yourself with drugs and porn isn't the best way to cope, but what's the alternative? Should I devote all my time to a job and abs so my boss will pat me on the head and women will see me as a sexual being?

Me personally I've been getting into hiking and extremist literature.

[Anonymous No.15430032]

>>15429953
grow up

[Anonymous No.15430149]

>>15429953
Based.Why should men participate in a society that doesnt benefit them?

[Anonymous No.15430159]

>>15429953
I only read your first sentence.

The truth is, no one gives a fuck about you. No one knows who you are. Stop with the victim complex and go steive for something.

[Anonymous No.15430213]

>>15429890
hurr hey guys if u hate society just leave it that will fix societiee

[Anonymous No.15430260]

>>15430159
>The truth is, no one gives a fuck about you. No one knows who you are.
Exactly, so don't tell me how to live my life

[Anonymous No.15430265]

>>15430260
excellent riposte

[Anonymous No.15430266]

>>15430213
>if u hate society just leave it that will fix societiee
i am not saying to fix society and i’m not saying to leave society.

[Anonymous No.15430282]

>>15424383
It's these threads which make me realize how dead /lit/ is. It's nu/pol/ and nu/leftypol/. People speculating about these things and never actually posting anything about a book.

[Anonymous No.15430414]

senpai

[Anonymous No.15431099]

>>15430282
I made another thread about a similar book and included a bunch of data in the OP but janitors removed it so I didn't bother this time.

[Anonymous No.15432210]

>>15429953
Based. But do train for yourself, if youre into the Hellenes LARP as an ancient wrestler in your head or something, hikings cool too.

[Anonymous No.15432249]

>>15427872
I get what youre saying, still not compareable. Also I was born in the mid 90s and kids that grew up then became the perfect soiboys.

[Anonymous No.15432366]

How are movies & tv not targets to these people?

[Anonymous No.15432477]

the bloke dilemma
the dude predicament
the fella quandry
the male muddle
the lad difficulty
the hombre perplexity

if you're writing a book, feel free to use any of these titles

[Anonymous No.15432513]

>>15424648
Not coincidence, but cause and consequence. Incentives if you will. The reason humans have good hunters is not because of a conspiracy against antilopes, but simply because without being good hunters our ancestors wouldn't have survived.
Case in point, women have been working since prehistory ("the workforce" is a modern industrial take on work, look into any primitive society and you'll see the women work more than the men), but were excluded from certain types of jobs for a good part of the industrial age. Then WWI happened, all the men were busy dying on the front so they had to call in the women to man (pun intended and it's not a pun but a decription, really) the ammo factories. This was the major event that convinced everyone it was worth letting women into factories. Something similar is happening right now, it's not intended, but it's nonetheless inevitable given the structure of our society.


Your posts paints you as intellectually immature btw, maybe you should read more.

[Anonymous No.15432580]

>>15424489
This, Jews like Pinker try to pass this off as a good development.

[Anonymous No.15432591]

>>15432477
only a single alliteration, you should feel shamed

[Anonymous No.15432602]

>>15429953
You know the way Anon.

[Anonymous No.15433040]

I think the recent interest in male homosexual gynophilic media is largely because of men's spiteful feelings of abandonment and betrayal.
It's almost like we want to hold ourselves hostage by rejecting women altogether.
Which is kek.

[Anonymous No.15433068]

>>15429953
I feel the same way, I have dire economic prospects and no social support. Find it hard trying to motivate myself out of it. Not a huge fan of women either because they took great glee rubbing it in post 2008 financial crisis, and still love to mock about what you're missing.

[Anonymous No.15433217]

>>15424383
Their real complaint is that men aren't buying homes, starting families, and contributing more economic fodder to the elites at the same rate as in previous decades.

[Anonymous No.15433252]

>>15424383
Stoner might be the closest. You won't find anything current.

The gatekeepers would never allow something like that to be published like that as it goes against the woke narrative.

Also, most men don't read so even if they did publish something like that it wouldn't make money.

[Anonymous No.15433259]

>>15424489
yes, women are now the breadwinners that men were in the 50s, hence men should stay at home..

[Anonymous No.15433265]

>>15424512
The transition from a manufacturing to a service based economy destroyed men

[Anonymous No.15433275]

>>15424489
>>15433259
This is just fucking WRONG
see >>15426157

Men still do ALL the essential labor, but instead of men doing that labor in exchange for the obedience of their wives and the continuance of their lineage, men just have their wealth expropriated through taxes and affirmative action programs and delivered to women that way. We're living under a giant lie so that women can slut around.

[Anonymous No.15433276]

>>15433252
The OP pic has 3 recently published books on this topic

[Anonymous No.15433292]

>>15433275
Apparently taxes are a modern invention

[Anonymous No.15433297]

>>15429953
>Me personally I've been getting into hiking and extremist literature.

[Anonymous No.15433312]

>>15430159
>The truth is, no one gives a fuck about you
That is literally what he said lol.

[Anonymous No.15433381]

>>15433276
>my male ATM machine is not working and we need to call the government repair man
Their "topic" is cracking the whip so the mann*ggers get back on the cotton farm. Where are the books with titles like "Close Your Legs, Stacy: Why Your Rancid Blown-Out Hole Is Not Suitable to Bear my Children and I Don't Owe You a Dime"