Propaganda

[Anonymous No.15522490]

Why are Americans so easily brainwashed by anti Communist Propaganda?
Why don't you read Marx works?

[Anonymous No.15522499]

I don't care about economics and there are many better books to be read first.

[Anonymous No.15522514]

>>15522499
But Marx is not only economics, its philosophy, sociology, it's about human liberty, opression and politics.
As I said, you are brainwashed

[Anonymous No.15522522]

a century of mccarthyism does that to people

[Anonymous No.15522523]

>>15522514
Everyone is in a sense brainwashed by the global propaganda machine.
Read Ellul.

[Anonymous No.15522541]

American perception of what communism and socialism are is so hilariously warped. Even a lot of left leaning Americans I know have bought into a lot of the American propaganda about it completely. This is true of lots of countries of course, but it seems extra so for Americans.

[Anonymous No.15522546]

>>15522490
>>15522514
Considering the misery and squalor wrought on literally every single country ever to have adopted Marxism, is it surprising that people are disposed negatively towards it? It's like saying why are people so brainwashed by anti-Nazi propaganda, Mein Kampf isn't only about Jews, it's also about history, society, justice, and politics. Ok fine but people are still going to think it's trash.

[Anonymous No.15522581]

>>15522546
What misery? Cuban people besides the embargo that USA put over the country, it still manages to hive free health care, food and shelter to all its citizens, during the urss times people lived much better than today, china doesn't have one single person living on the streets, Vietnam not only did better but today doesn't have one single case of codvid.
I said you are brainwashed and you proved my point.

[Anonymous No.15522600]

>>15522581
Contemporary China is pretty much communist in name only.

[Anonymous No.15522613]

>>15522600
> it's not real communism

[Anonymous No.15522620]

>>15522613
Yes. That is what I said.

[Anonymous No.15522639]

>>15522581
>china doesn't have one single person living on the streets
because they are arrested and shipped to a tenement out in the sticks

[Anonymous No.15522665]

>>15522581
>besides the embargo that USA put over the country
hey guise check out this cool new economic and political system, it's by far the best and will make your country really nice
***terms & conditions: only works if americans are on your side, otherwise it may turn your country into a shithole

[Anonymous No.15522679]

>>15522665
What a fucking terrible argument. You realize if Cuba was a free market capitalist system, America having a trade embargo with them would still leave them completely fucked, right?

[Anonymous No.15522681]

>>15522581
>china doesn't have one single person living on the streets
China has people living in concentration camps instead. Lovely!

[Anonymous No.15522689]

>>15522665
>Your country is an island.
>You do the revolution under imperialist nose
>They dont let you trade with other countries
>You still manages to give your people the basic necessities and stop imperialist invasion on playa guiron.
Feels good man

[Anonymous No.15522694]

>>15522490
Leftists are inclined to totalitarianism and its shown fucking daily. As long as they parade social justice like cultists in their large groups I will always despise them. And that was true in Marx's time too. All the "fuck wypipo" shit that goes on with them only serves to intensify race relations as well. I have to say though I've never had any interest in Marx's writings.

[Anonymous No.15522698]

>>15522681
Wow you just posted more propaganda. Unbelievable

[Anonymous No.15522718]

>>15522694
But Marxism in not about races. It's about class struggle! I'm sorry you feel that way about your leftist movements over there but it's not what Marxism is really about.
Dictatorship yes. Proletarian dictatorship

[Anonymous No.15522721]

>>15522681
Islamic separatists living in camps. Actual terrorists instead of the poor native children that were kidnapped and put into camps, i mean "schools" in north america in pursuit of the same cultural genocide

[Anonymous No.15522725]

>>15522581
China has thrown a whole group of people on lockdown in what is their most 1984-esque technological hell hole. Also their migrant workers are mostly poor as fuck and don't really have a place to call home, they just move from job to job. Plenty of people working in factories just get worked to the bone and over exhaustion for little pay. This is the problem with leftists. They'll rail on America, capitalism, and the west day and night. But when it comes to leftist nations there's excuses as to why certain things or "it's not real communism"

[Anonymous No.15522726]

I read this book. Reading it made me go from disagreeing with communism, to hating it and hating everybody that calls themselves a communist.

You'd have to have lived the most sheltered, privileged, suburban White middle class life to think this theory has any basis in reality. Yeah bro, we're all good people and we're gonna get along like one big family right? LMAO look around you you fucking pussy, do you see all that hate and conflict? AT EVERY LEVEL OF SOCIETY - people can't even get along at work and they think we're gonna function as a nation, working collectively, forgoing competition, and abandoning material goal.

D E L U S I O N A L

[Anonymous No.15522731]

>>15522718
it doesnt matter what marx is really about, what matters is what people think he is about. and in the west it's some bizzare mix of social liberal policies mashed with corporate asslicking

[Anonymous No.15522741]

>>15522725
You just use 1984? Lol

[Anonymous No.15522742]

>>15522490
>a marxist starts a thread
>"everyone who disagrees with me is brainwashed"
>"every argument against me is propaganda"
Yep, checks out.

[Anonymous No.15522748]

>>15522581
>china doesn't have one single person living on the streets

this is hilariously untrue, which propagandist told you this?

when i worked in china i encountered dozens of hobos daily

[Anonymous No.15522763]

>>15522742
Well maybe if you stop posting Propaganda?

[Anonymous No.15522769]

>>15522718
Marxism may not explicitly be about races but he used the useful idiotic social justice warriors the same as a mob, using emotional arguments to win people over and have them go on their social crusades. That's why he's largely failed. The left love to talk about how they're anti police too but when it comes down to it they'll install a secret police that's even worse and use technology on top of it to arrest dissenters. Just like China does.

[Anonymous No.15522776]

>>15522763
>I'm the only person allowed to post propaganda
really m8?

[Anonymous No.15522800]

>>15522769
Well yeah, what? Only the capitalists are allowed to use those methods?

[Anonymous No.15522803]

>>15522741
I'm sorry were you going to say something of value? 1984, albeit turned up to 11 has all the makings of a society ruled by technological means, groupthink, and collective maximalism to destroy the individual completely, a population that rather serves the system than anyone in the community or family, much more. Trying to denounce 1984, especially like that just shows what a brainlet you are.

[Anonymous No.15522807]

>>15522681

[Anonymous No.15522809]

>>15522725
>>15522748
It's so funny to see Westerners defending China as some Communist paradise. They've probably never been there. And if they did, they'd realise that China is pretty miserable compared to the West, and everything that is good in China is from capitalism, despite Communism.

[Anonymous No.15522811]

>>15522803
>I'm more smart than you just cause I compare reality with a novel

[Anonymous No.15522815]

>>15522807
Hey aren't those Mexicans in American jail?

[Anonymous No.15522817]

>>15522807
Using America as a model here somehow BTFOs your entire position beyond recovery. What exactly is the logic? America does it too, so it's okay? Isn't America supposed to be the evil capitalists? So the brilliant communists should NOT be doing the same bad things the Americans do?

[Anonymous No.15522826]

>>15522817
Bro in China there is no persecution like this.

[Anonymous No.15522830]

>>15522809
China has opened up free markets specifically to make the population more docile with money. They are getting richer, and are able to have anything they want if they have the money. But the cost is they're not allowed to dissent whatsoever. China does do some interesting things (so I've read) to help poor rural farmers though. But I feel like the bad outweighs any good they might do.

[Anonymous No.15522832]

>read Marx
>make argument against marxism
>get told by Marxist you don't know what marxism is, and should read Marx
rinse and repeat

[Anonymous No.15522836]

>>15522826
Correct, in China they lock up their own people, in America they lock up illegal aliens.

[Anonymous No.15522838]

This pro-China guy is being ironic right?

[Anonymous No.15522839]

>>15522817
Your country wants you to believe that crap so it can still be a ruling over you

[Anonymous No.15522840]

>>15522815
yes someone should liberate them

[Anonymous No.15522848]

>>15522811
The final retort of a leftist. Would be amusing if it weren't so pathetic.

[Anonymous No.15522858]

>>15522800
Everyone in America who falls under that group is anti capitalist, I can assure you.

[Anonymous No.15522863]

>>15522546
yes capitalism is known for *not* bringing misery snd squalor

[Anonymous No.15522887]

>>15522836
tiny dot cc/4l3aqz

[Anonymous No.15522901]

The problem with Americans is they've been conditioned to believe that anyone who is anti-capitalist is a Marxist-Leninist authoritarian. They seem completely oblivious to the fact that there is significant ideological difference among different modern leftist groups.

[Anonymous No.15522908]

>>15522863
This but unironically.

[Anonymous No.15522910]

>>15522726
This

Nothing makes a regular, educated citizen hate communism more than reading the communist manifesto.

Now if you feed it to smooth brained teenagers, you may convert a couple though...
And let's be honest, most "commies" get into that shit exactly in that phase of their lifes.

Until they get their first paycheck lmao

But seriously fuck commies.

[Anonymous No.15522919]

>>15522887
thanks for the virus. posting from my fridge

[Anonymous No.15522934]

>>15522908
I'm sorry that you don't know capitalism works

[Anonymous No.15522935]

>Americans call calling all the queer, sjw, tranny shit "marxism" or "communism"

[Anonymous No.15522958]

>>15522910
>regular, educated citizen

well that guarantees no one in America has read it

[Anonymous No.15522966]

>>15522490
Nani? Marx's works are spoonfed to American University students and a majority of professors are left leaning.

[Anonymous No.15522972]

>>15522901
The problem with lefties like you is that you don't realize that in the real world, in real history, ALL communist/marxist/post-capitalist movements on a macroscopic scale tended towards authoritarianism, purges, gulags, dictators, and breadlines. Regardless of whatever diverse pure theoretical intentions they had, they all end up sinking towards the same place. The only political/economic system PROVEN (in the real world) to provide consistent prosperity (no breadlines) is the Western European/American system.

Maybe, just maybe, non-free (viz. non-capitalist) economic systems are necessarily authoritarian, because large groups of humans just won't behave like that naturally?

[Anonymous No.15522985]

>>15522490
>>15522863
Shut the fuck up Jews.
You invented two ends of an economic political spectrum that both bring misery to people.
Communism:
>The government manages how much there is to be produced and how much resources there are to be used up
>The government fails to do so for the simple fact that they cannot predict the economic turns of the country and the resources produced. Therefore there are supply shortages and famines sometimes.

Capitalism:
>Everything costs money
>So do governmental campaigns
>The world ends up getting owned by corporations and oligarchs
>Meaning money people are controlling politics

I'm not saying this is all a big plot by Jews to destroy white people, I'm saying these are two big plots invented seperately by Jewish writers who contributed nothing to society and carried out either by evil Jewish leaders or evil white leaders who fell for a bad ideology.

National socialism is the answer.

You are the player.

Wake up.

[Anonymous No.15522991]

>>15522490
I'M WORKING ON IT

[Anonymous No.15522995]

Friendly reminder that capitalism is just less honest feudalism.

[Anonymous No.15523003]

>>15522581
>china doesn't have one single person living on the streets
Right, just like Saudi-Arabia has no homosexuals

[Anonymous No.15523005]

>>15522958
Read again nigger.

[Anonymous No.15523015]

>>15522985
national socialism has failed and killed millions every time its been tried. Its a disaster

[Anonymous No.15523017]

>>15523015
communism has failed and killed millions every time its been tried. It's a disaster

[Anonymous No.15523030]

>>15523017
stop posting cringe please

[Anonymous No.15523036]

>>15523015
just as >>15523017 said and also
capitalism has failed and killed tens of thousands now that it is being tried. It's a disaster.


Also National Socialism doesn't kill its own people
>inb4 the final days of the war
no
before that shit the economy was booming.

[Anonymous No.15523038]

>>15523017
someone forgot to tell Hitler and Stalin that looks like he took Berlin by mistake oops :(

[Anonymous No.15523041]

>>15523036
>National Socialism doesn't kill its own people
Hahaha, great joke.

[Anonymous No.15523046]

>>15523041
Show proof (or rather tell, since /lit/ is supposed to be sfw)

[Anonymous No.15523056]

>>15523036
>before that shit the economy was booming.
because the entire state mobilized for war. There's no such thing as starting a war that doesn't kill your own people and war is essential for fascism. Theres no such thing as peaceful natsoc sacrificing a bunch of people is required for it to proceed

[Anonymous No.15523065]

>>15523046
Even if you conveniently pretend that things like the killing of German Jews isn't the killing of their own people, shit like the night of the long knives involved killing people who were literally part of the Nazi party.

[Anonymous No.15523068]

>>15522490
This thread is useless. Americans are literal agents of capital, stripped of their own agency and dignity. Don't ever mention Marx around anglos.

[Anonymous No.15523095]

>>15523065
Because you need to have people believing in an ideology to save it.

[Anonymous No.15523100]

>>15522581
Lmao this reminds of that post where some guy claims China has no hobos and an actual Chinese citizen goes outside and takes a couple pictures of some

[Anonymous No.15523183]

>>15522826
kek

[Anonymous No.15523277]

>>15522514
I' ve read Marx, and Marx is obsolete in our times, especially when taking in consideration or current technology. I'm really sorry if I sound condescending but you have to grow up.

t. Philosophy phd.

[Anonymous No.15523407]

>>15523277
Care to explain why? The issue is of interest to me (sincere question).

[Anonymous No.15523533]

>>15522490
>Why are Americans so easily brainwashed by anti Communist Propaganda?
My guess is decades of McCartysm. Thinking that bolshevism was communism. Also probably they are taught holodomor at school, as an echo of McCartyism. Traumatised by decades of cold war, and thinking the responsible of cold war is communism. In the end, not having the slightest idea of what communism is, and confusing it with State Capitalism.

[Anonymous No.15523623]

>>15523407
I'm sorry. i won't be able to give you a full answer because my times does not allow for it. But i will give you some ideas for you to explore. The reality we are dealing with and the one that is coming in the near future which includes: Strong AI, Limited resources, Robotics, Eugenetics, power is no longer related to classes (the idea of class is slowly becoming obsolete as hell) and a long etc. make the idea behind marxism in general have no sustainability. Take this with a grain of salt but most socioeconomical systems are becoming obsolete. The thing is, nobody has a proper system for what's to come yet. Although in philosophy there are lots of debates about it. Marx is important and you should definetly read it. It's a part of history and it will help you understand how we got where we got, but it's just that. We need to adapt to new realities.

[Anonymous No.15523624]

>>15523277
>t. Philosophy phd

[Anonymous No.15523777]

>>15523623
Working class creates plusvalour.
You need a working class behind all that technology to create valour.
Under capitalism that means all that technology will be used by a few workers and all the other are out of it, creating what Marx called "reserved army".
Just people living in misery waiting to be one of those workers in the industry.. Marx works are not obsolete you see.

[Anonymous No.15523913]

>>15522490
I'd say most Americans are actually brainwashed to think their soft corporate approved "ideology" is progressive and leftist

[Anonymous No.15524131]

>>15522826
Tell that to the Uyghurs.

[Anonymous No.15524155]

>>15523777
>plusvalour
>valour
How do I know you're not a native speaker? At least bother in learning the language. And I say that as a non-native english speaker but at least I bother in checking the translations.

[Anonymous No.15524184]

This thread is infected by /pol/tards, sage and hide boys

[Anonymous No.15524196]

>>15524184
The cure to /pol/fags and /leftypol/fags trying to convert people into their gay internet clubhouse is to ignore them and talk about the texts. Don't be a pussy. There is no reason to be on this board other than to talk about a text you've read with another person who has read it. Aside from recommendations maybe.

[Anonymous No.15524233]

>>15523777
Robotics make working class obsolete. Working class does not exist nowadays anyways.

[Anonymous No.15524242]

>>15524184
I'm Muslim

[Anonymous No.15524247]

>>15524155
But you got my point. Retard

[Anonymous No.15524255]

>>15524233
T. I don't understand capitalism

[Anonymous No.15524309]

>>15524233
Moron. You can't understand contemporary economics without reading Marx, even if you are a keen capitalist. Neoclassical economics is a meme that assumes the economy is a functional model, rather than a system that runs of exploitation and deception. It has to work like that, and any capitalist worth their salt will understand that too.
In a word driven by finance Marx is as relevant as ever.

[Anonymous No.15524335]

>>15522490
Capitalism is good. It never caused any problems for the US, only for shitters in other countries.

Democracy is the problem. Communists always blame it on capitalism, because they hate capitalist society, since they suck at it. But capitalists know that democracy is the real problem.

[Anonymous No.15524351]

>>15524309
Both marxism and capitalism are obsolete. You should read before posting.

[Anonymous No.15524363]

>>15524309
Marx is 100% irrelevant outside of Communist societies.

[Anonymous No.15524370]

>>15524335
Cause your country is an imperialist one, it absorbs wealth and resources of others countries.

[Anonymous No.15524391]

>>15524370
Life is war. If you're from a country that's losing ground in that war, make it a better country by working hard and acting smart or immigrate.

However, I don't solely blame the Communists for the changes to the US. They had a hand in those changes, but the initiators were the politicians in government who became resentful of the wealth of independent capitalists and then turned the country slowly socialist so they could re-obtain that wealth.

[Anonymous No.15524392]

I did. Severely outdated and basically the ramblings of a bitter man

[Anonymous No.15524412]

>>15524392
This man knows what he's talking about.

[Anonymous No.15524504]

yeah but how come he married a rich girl while being a neet and would hang out with rich bourgeois people like, coincidentally, bankers, whom he supposedly hated?
Any page in his books in which he explains that?

[Anonymous No.15524528]

Look i will waste my time because i really care about the people here. Get in your heads already that what you romanticize will not apply to reality. There will never be revolutions the way they used to be, and even if you try they will fail. Because everything has changed. It's good for you to learn history and the history of philosophy, but don't try to bring systems from the past that have no relevance in our present, and even less in our future. Power was removed from the individual a long time ago, u can thank posmodernism for that. U can bash what i say as much as you want, but eventually you will wake up. Avoid team mentality. Even if there might be a "cold war" happening rn, it's preety much the last steps our our "modern" societies. There's a lot to say about this topic but i'm not even in the mood to develop my ideas. Just take this advice: be critical and free yourself from dogmas that are centuries old.

[Anonymous No.15524709]

>>15522581
cuba is a very annoying success story for marxist-leninism

[Anonymous No.15524759]

>>15524233
Machines, robotics, don't create value. It's super abstract, and most people, including you most likely, cannot get this, but this is true. You cannot have mass automation and Capitalism. No profit. Cannot work.

[Anonymous No.15524765]

>>15524391
>I don't solely blame the Communists for the changes to the US.
> They had a hand in those changes,
Kys.

[Anonymous No.15524812]

>>15522490

One just needs to look at the state of communist and post-communist countries to understand that marxism is a total ideological failure.

>inb4 muh it's not real gommunism

Failure is failure.

[Anonymous No.15524816]

>>15524765
Did you overlook the word "solely," retard?

[Anonymous No.15524825]

>>15524759
Oh but i do get it, even if i don't go in full detail about it. The point was to prove that we need new systems and talking about capitalism and socialism, either utopic or scientific makes no sense nowadays. I'm in the academical world and our task is to develop some directives for when this eventually happens. But for now it's just theory. And considering how "stupid" we are nowadays (Yes our education is shit) we might have the "Corona case" (Hey! it's coming, we should prepare... nah it's just a flu bro... fuck we didn't prepare). Sorry for the shitty analogy, i'm kinda drunk. (Btw i couldn't care less if corona is a psyop or not, we know where we are going)

[Anonymous No.15524839]

>>15524816
The only communists in the US are the Huterrites, you fucking mongoloid whose brain is infected by political economy brainwashing.

[Anonymous No.15524854]

>>15522490
I read the communist manifesto and it was entirely uninteresting to me, i dont think in terms of oppressed vs oppressors because its more complicated than that

[Anonymous No.15524868]

>>15524839
>communists in the US
Who said anything about the Communists being in the US?

[Anonymous No.15524890]

>>15522546
Russia had the best living standards it ever had under the Soviet Union and had some of the worst after it collapsed.

[Anonymous No.15524909]

>>15524890
It also produced some of the most lifeless art in all of European history.

[Anonymous No.15524910]

>>15524825
By the way, there is a working class. Get out of your bubble, and you'll notice real people work in real factories, still today. Even in 20 years, if Capitalism won't have fallen already, there will still be a working class, even if their only job is to operate the machines all day.
On the other hand, i agree that we must think about a new mode of production. It's super important, but we must do it ourselves, i mean literally we, the people, with the help of P2P software.
About the corona virus, it's 100% a psy-op. Automn last year, almost negative interest rate from the fed, and this 2020 march, between the 15 and the 26 , the board of governors of the fed decided that fractional reserves weren't necessary anymore. Nobody, absolutely nobody talked about this.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/reservereq.htm
It's the definition of a cover up.

[Anonymous No.15524918]

>>15522694
>As long as they parade social justice
These people aren't Marxists. Do a little reading into the actions and values of Stalin and Lenin. They liked classical art, executed prostitutes and homosexuals, and placed emphasis on the Soviet family.

[Anonymous No.15524925]

>>15522681
Sounds pretty based to me

[Anonymous No.15524932]

>>15524918
Please fuck off with your propaganda. No one sane thinks of the world in terms of Marxian terms like "class conflict." It's resentment in ideological form.

[Anonymous No.15524935]

>>15524909
Really? Never heard of Socialist Realism? The Soviet Union was one of the last countries to have realism as a major undercurrent thanks to both Lenin and Stalin.

[Anonymous No.15524941]

>>15524932
>No one sane thinks of the world in terms of Marxian terms like "class conflict."
People who've read books do. Resentment takes forms in all sorts of ideologies, including liberalism and fascism. Marxism is about class, and nothing more. Anyone trying to say otherwise is a liberal who wants to feel edgy by calling themselves a communist.

[Anonymous No.15524943]

>>15524935
>he doesn't think that looks lifeless as fuck
Art was never about realism, by the way.

[Anonymous No.15524950]

>>15524943
Cope

[Anonymous No.15524956]

>>15524941
People who've read shitty books by Marxists do. Marx was a bitter fraud.

[Anonymous No.15524967]

>>15524910
I'm sure you understand my point, it's not about working class (semantic) not existing anymore, it's about the marxist concept of working class. Things are changing and we need to adapt, as you said in your second sentence. And either you like it or not, and as taboo as it may sound, we need to talk eugenetics. Resources are limited, population is increasing (there's a lot to develop here, but i'm sure u understand what i'm talking about). Thanks btw anon for keeping the conversation interesting with good arguments.

[Anonymous No.15524969]

>>15524956
Even if you don't like Marx for an actual reason, he's still very relevant and his ideas had enormous impacts on the 21st century and gave new life to class struggles in Europe.

[Anonymous No.15524990]

>>15522490
Honestly, I don't know why there isn't a right wing appropriation of people like Marx and Lenin. An analysis of Liberal Capitalism from the right using Marxism would be fascinating.

[Anonymous No.15524997]

>>15524969
>21st century
Meant 20th, Marx's active relevance fell completely in 1991.

[Anonymous No.15525018]

>>15524950
This is ugly, shitty art.

>>15524969
I don't like Marx because he was a midwit who rebranded his confirmation bias as justification for his resentment towards harder working aristocrats. Again, no one sane views the world in terms like "class conflict," much less makes that bullshit concept central to civilization's history. It's obsessive nonsense. You can't actually point to any "class" in society without referring to caricature because it's virtual. That right there should tell you how ideological and bitter the man was; he was completely clouded by his own spooks and unable to draw conclusions from real observations.

[Anonymous No.15525025]

>>15524910
Also i apologize. I didn't answer about the corona case. As i said , i will keep living my life the same way, indiferently if corona is or no a psyop. What is clear to me is that there are important "people" involved in all this. What agenda they are pushing, well, we will find out eventually. As i said in earlier posts, we have no power over it.

[Anonymous No.15525107]

>>15525018
>This is ugly, shitty art.

[Anonymous No.15525117]

>>15524967
Malthusianism is fake. After the Irish famines in the 19th century, Ireland was still in misery. There is no direct correlation between low population and standard of living. You can have low population density and have poor people, or vice versa.
About population which is increasing, it's false. Population is decreasing. Africa went from (from memory) 9 children per women 10 years ago, to 7 children now. Saudi arabia went from 4.5 children per women ten years ago to 2.5 per women today. As for the west, white western women don't have children anymore, especially is the middle and upper socio professional categories. I predit that we will never ever be 15 billions on earth, and probably never even 10 billion. After 2050, population will totally crash, Now, it's not impossible that people will start making children again in post Capitalism, but in late stage Capitalism, it's dead. People are not making children anymore.

[Anonymous No.15525124]

>>15522726
>>15522694

[Anonymous No.15525132]

>>15525117
>About population which is increasing, it's false. Population is decreasing. Africa went from (from memory) 9 children per women 10 years ago, to 7 children now. Saudi arabia went from 4.5 children per women ten years ago to 2.5 per women today.
"Population is increasing" means 1st derivation. Decline in fertility rates is 2nd derivation.

[Anonymous No.15525134]

>>15525107
That's also ugly, shitty art. You like posting garbage, don't you?

[Anonymous No.15525169]

>>15525117
This will sound generic but, we will see. I tend to disagree. Population will keep increasing (personal opinion). And honestly i hope i'm wrong. And ofc, now i'm going outside of my field which is philosophy and i ask on behalf of my own ignorance. What's the proportion between consumption and production when it comes to resources? Is it really sustainable? It doesn't matter what you answer but you will have to agree with me (even if you have all the right not to) that we need to propose new approaches to this situation.

[Anonymous No.15525200]

>>15522490

Shit, with all this rioting and shit, capitalism is clearly over. Maybe we need to try new economic models that help everyone not just the one percent. Then workers will care about their place of work and shit.

Maybe das it nigga...

Das Kapital

[Anonymous No.15525221]

>>15522809
No serious leftist would ever defend current China, anon

>>15522522
>>15522541
>>15522935
Basically this

>>15523017
Suck my big black cock, you illiterate

[Anonymous No.15525242]

>>15523277
Literally fell for the "muh technology" meme. Marx was fundamentally right because he was present when capitalism first came about in the mid 19th century. Historical materialism as a theory of history absolutely still holds up, and so does the tendency of the rate of profit to fall.

Anyway read Dunayevskaya and Marx's 1844 Manuscripts and become le based marxist humanist like me

[Anonymous No.15525254]

>>15525221
>Suck my big black cock, you illiterate
Communism killed millons fucking retard. Whether you killed or not. Also, that response just put in evidence that you don't have good arguments so you resort to use retarded leftist memes like big nigger cock to respond. You are ironically the illiterate.

[Anonymous No.15525269]

>>15522935
>queers, trannies, and sjws are 99% of those calling themselves "marxists" and "communists" for 50+ years
>wtf why does everyone think marxist means faggot

[Anonymous No.15525281]

>>15525169
Population will probably follow the U.N low curb.
About sustainability, it's not so much the number of people, but the use of ressources. Think about personal cars. They contain a lot of ressources. But are they really needed, especially in a post Capitalist world? Same for industrial food, various useless clothes, entertainment, etc...In Capitalism, production is an imperative. Most stuff that are produced are not even necessary. Doesn't mean that a post Capitalist mode of production will consume as much per individual. Probably less, and in a sustainable way.

[Anonymous No.15525283]

>>15525242
I'm sorry to disagree with you but being right about the history before you doesn't mean being right about the history after you. I respect your opinion anyways. I will keep defending that marx's ideas have no place in the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.15525293]

the short answer is: none of them have read marx.
marxs teachings get parroted on in a game of telephone i'm convinced has gone on since the 1940s. people who have been disillusioned by the kafkaism of the modern world look for an answer as to what is wrong and marx's often flawed logic gets painted as the only answer. its the REDpill of the militant progressive normie, looking for anything to cling onto to justify their meaningless struggle against a system. they convince themselves they can ship-of-theseus this flawed system with planks made of poorly interpreted marx writing into something better, because the idea the whole thing needs replacing is a reality that would crush them. they must reject it, and embrace their marx. the ship never stops being an oppressive and bureaucratic patriarchal state, but if they just keep trying the ship can become something else, in search of a eutopia they will never achieve, and more importantly never experience.

[Anonymous No.15525302]

>>15523277
>t. Philosophy phd.
>Who hasn't read the fragment on machines.

[Anonymous No.15525316]

>>15525281
(...) Pic related.

[Anonymous No.15525346]

>>15525293
>because the idea the whole thing needs replacing is a reality that would crush them. they must reject it,
That's exactly Marx thesis: abolish political economy.

[Anonymous No.15525360]

>>15525281
I totaly agree. But here is the problem. We, academics, still don't agree on what a sustainable system would look like and the implications of it. For example (i know this example is shit but just bear with me) If we were to talk necessities, "internet" (not only it didn't exist in the 19th century, it wasn't even part of the formulae) has become a necessity. You can argue that you can live without it, which i agree, but the implications on you daily life make as important as a basic necessity (close ofc it's not the same thing). The idea behind what i'm saying is that (human rights for example) we need to change perpections. Our way of life has change and our standard of life has increased. There is so much more i should be saying about this, but i'm drunk. Please fill in the rest of the pieces of what i'm trying to say.

[Anonymous No.15525390]

>>15525360
Internet doesn't cost a lot of ressources to maintain. Check the Huterrites if you want to look what a sustainable classless society looks like. It would be interesting to know also how much ressources they conume per Huterrites, and we won't find studies which haven't been made about it, but my guess is that Huterrites consume a lot less ressources than the average american.

[Anonymous No.15525413]

>>15525390
(...) In any case, in my view, but this is personnal, is that in post Capitalism each individual would have to cultivate his own food, so it will be way more eco-friendly, and probably consume way less ressources. Since he cultivate his own food, there will be much less waste.

[Anonymous No.15525420]

>>15525390
Yeah i know but it's not about internet only, it was just an example. What i'm trying to say is that we cannot compare what a "dignified way of life" used to be back in the 19th century to what it means now. Technology has changed everything and it will keep changing it. Anyways anon, it was refreshing to have this conversation, i need to go sleep now. Thanks again for listening and bringing good arguments. I would definetly love keeping in touch. Peace fren.

[Anonymous No.15525429]

>>15525124

[Anonymous No.15525440]

>>15525134
Cope

[Anonymous No.15525490]

>>15525440
How many words in your vocabulary? 50, 60 at most?

[Anonymous No.15525537]

>>15525490
A nearly endless amount, the true master never uses more than he needs.

[Anonymous No.15525599]

>>15523623
Actually, because of the reasons you listed Marx's theory of the commodity is today more actual than ever, you don't have to take it as a doctrine or a dogma, just take the parts that still serve to the analysis of the current affairs and develop them.
>power is no longer related to classes
This is false. In consumer societies that are ruled by the property of the means of production and of the produced technologies with a growing mass of "workers" unable to sell their labour force and states increasingly reduced to their repressive core, power is more than ever related to classes.
In any case, what we're seeing is that the inherent contradictions of capitalism just as Marx described them are becoming a blatant truth.
Philosophy phd. my ass.

[mama ta No.15525610]

but what u think about the slogan that says we need to kill all the intelectuals huh?

[mama ta No.15525620]

intellectuals*

[Anonymous No.15525624]

>>15525599
The US isn't a capitalist society anymore. It hasn't been for at least 55 years.

[Anonymous No.15525665]

>>15525599
I take it that you didn't read the rest. You can use all the metaphors you want to adjust marx's ideas to what's happening nowadays. That doesn't mean it's also true.

[Anonymous No.15525679]

>>15525624
Sure, it's a sci-fi ethnodistopy governed by xenojew brainmaggots that simulate a capitalist society in each and every one of the singular brains of the american population. In summary it's a Fasciocommunism. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.15525714]

Marxism does not work.

Socialism does not work.

Communism does not work.

[Anonymous No.15525726]

>>15525714
Your brain doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.15525787]

>>15525360
>I'm a Philosophy phd. the scope of my analysis is on the level of a mediocre high school student
>but excuse me, i'm drunk
This is probably one of the worst acts i've seen in the recent years in 4chan.
Go read a fucking book instead of LARPing.

[Anonymous No.15525797]

>>15525679
Many sectors of the US still operate capitalistically, but the government doesn't anymore. How could it be when the Federal Reserve exists? When it gives social security to people who don't put into it?

[Anonymous No.15525806]

>>15525346
but they find individual marxian ideals like free healthcare and hating the rich and try to use the american political system to replace individual little bits. its the opposite of what marx wrote.

[Anonymous No.15525843]

>>15525787
You sure showed him!
A true master of words. 4chan cup winner.

[Anonymous No.15525886]

>>15525797
Have you heard about the notion of "bourgeois democracy"? What's the role of states in capitalism? Why are there specific mechanism that guarantee certain social security? What are "active labor market policies" for? And the most basic one, How the fuck does the Federal Reserve owk? Is it a bag filled with magic that conjures green rectuangular pieces of paper with mysterious effects? Or is it a debt driven mechanism?

[Anonymous No.15525905]

>>15525797
Marx knew and wrote about the private central bank of England (1694). The government is not something that works Capitalistically historically. See the years before the french revolution and the very high taxes. Also, in america, the banking system before the Fed was already pretty centralized between 3 main banks, New York, Chicago, and Saint Louis, with Jew York already having most of the power by far.
https://www.coursera.org/lecture/money-banking/national-banking-system-before-the-fed-m8Imm
You tradcucks seeing in the federal reserve the center of all problems on earth are 10 years late. Evolution of this is understanding that the problem is the very mode of production.

[Anonymous No.15525910]

>>15525886
>What's the role of states in capitalism?
Not anything like what their role currently is as of numerous "reforms" which allowed them to regulate markets to their benefit. That's my point.

[Anonymous No.15525919]

>>15525843
Stop LARPing already and invest this precious time in reading a contemporary philosophy handbook.

[Anonymous No.15525976]

>>15525919
As sad as it may sound it's no larp. But you should probably take your own advice before giving it to others. Also don't forget that fallacies will never win you any debate. I'll give you the benefit of doubt and i'll think you are more versed in marxism than me, which is normal considering it's not my speciality. But what i know for sure from what i see from your responses is that, when it comes to marx's critics you haven't read much either.

[Anonymous No.15525983]

>>15525910
You are trapped into causality reversal. Like most of the population.
The State is an emanation of the Capital. Not the other way round.
The State serves the Capital, not the other way round,
The State devlopped itself besides the Capital. American like you have a warped vision of the State because your country has no history and is so young. But even in the mid 19th century, the State was always serving the Capital. E.G: the american State, in the mid 19th century artificially increased the minimal price to pay in order to acquire property, so that that the people had more difficulties to access to land and property, and become independant. With artificially mandatory high prices of land, enforced by the State, american were disposessed of an opportunity to acquire their own mode of production (meaning, their own farm or workshop), and thus, had no other choice than sell their workforce at the factory.

[Anonymous No.15526027]

>>15525797
Don't be naive. The US government always has, and still does work for capital. They dont care about devaluing currency with the Fed when the capitalists have all their wealth in assets.

Social security is a bribe to keep the peace. Paid for by middle class taxpaying nerds anyways. And any debt left over they can just keep inflating away

[Anonymous No.15526116]

>>15525983
>>15526027
>The State serves the Capital
>The US government always has, and still does work for capital.
That's not the case when they "keep inflating away." But it's the necessary strategy when your immigration policy is ass-backwards, I guess.

[Anonymous No.15526207]

>>15526116
Do you even know that the US Fed shares are privately owned? They have no choice but to inflate away, because if they don't, the whole system will break. In march 2020, between the 15 and 26 march 2020 exactly (the begining of the Corona psy-op), the US fed suppressed the mandatory fractional reserves required for banks and other financial institutions.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/reservereq.htm
Do they do this because they are evil Statists? No, they do it because if they don't the whole system will break. It's the same logic with the suppression of the gold standard in the 1970s. It was suppressed because without it, Capital could develop faster, and make more profit, even if a growing part of this profit is fake.
Now we have reach a point of no return. The system is already broken, and quantitative easing is only sustaining it artificially.

[Anonymous No.15526235]

>>15526207
(...)
Some people think that Capitalism in it's late stage form cannot even function without fictious credit (quantitative easing), because the profit in late stage Capitalism is too small for it to function without fake money. At one point, we will reach a breaking point, Entire economical sector won't be profitable anymore. Not because of bad political economy, but because they became so efficient and use so much automated machines, that they cannot create profit anymore.

[Anonymous No.15526259]

>>15522490
>haha brainwashed idiots
>just drink this kool-aid instead
No thanks.

[Anonymous No.15526301]

>>15525018
What kind of moron thinks that class conflict is not a major factor in society? Do you even dialectic bro?

[Anonymous No.15526309]

>>15526116
>That's not the case when they "keep inflating away.
Yes it is. Like I said, the capitalist's wealth is stored in assets that are immune to inflation. Just because they fuck over the liquid savings of the middle class doesnt mean they arent serving capital

>>15526235
We are approaching that point of maturity for a lot of sectors, where supply is so efficient that growth / lack thereof all comes down to size of demand.
Hence all the fictitious credit - they are trying to force risk-taking and R&D on highly risk averse hoarders of capital, who've been spoiled by the easy risk-free gains to be had in the past half century.

Doesnt mean that capitalism / investment in new technology is done just yet, there are still a number of directions for it to go, such as medicine / biomed engineering / AI to further obsolesce human labour
/ sustainable energy storage+generation / spaceflight / better art/entertainment/services etc etc

[Anonymous No.15526318]

>>15526207
>Do you even know that the US Fed shares are privately owned?
It's still a socialized (read: anti-capitalist) implementation. The system will break without it because of the immigration policy, and because of the underlying state-driven socialism.

[Anonymous No.15526369]

How does Marx determine who gets to live in the most beautiful areas in the world after private property is abolished?

[Anonymous No.15526440]

>>15526318
Immigration serves the Capital. Get your fucking facts straight. >>15526369
>How does Marx determine who gets to live in the most beautiful areas in the world after private property is abolished?
That's an interesting question unironically. Maybe we should focus first into getting our lifes back before dreaming about what comes after.

[Anonymous No.15526469]

>>15526440
>Maybe we should focus first into getting our lifes back before dreaming about what comes after.
Failing to plan is planning to fail. Sounds like you're just asking to get your throat slit by the new guy now calling it his property.

[Anonymous No.15526477]

Is there any website, book - that I can find online which just has the economic aspect of Capital books?

Like disregarding the debates Marx had, philosophical things and so on.

[Anonymous No.15526488]

>>15526469
And who will slit my throat, Fortnite zoomers? Capitalism already has emasculated the vast majority of people.

[Anonymous No.15526493]

>>15526477
No. You read the books. Wikipe

[Anonymous No.15526499]

>>15526440
>Maybe we should focus first into getting our lifes back before dreaming about what comes after.
thats the marxist motto right there. fuck thinking it out, lets just kill people and see if it works this time

[Anonymous No.15526504]

>>15526493
(...) Wikipedia is well done, but then you will misunderstant many things, like thinking Marx never talked about Central banks, immigration, or automation (among others), when in fact he did.

[Anonymous No.15526517]

>>15526499
Fortunately Capitalism never killed a single person. WWI and WWII are communist wars. :s

[Anonymous No.15526522]

>>15526488
Are you joking? If it meant suddenly owning some of the most beautiful real estate in the world, there would be millions of gigachads lining up to murder you and all your ideologue brethren in an instant, assuming you guys don't trash and demolish said real estate and unironically turn the whole planet into a parking lot to ensure there's no competition over any property ever again.

[Anonymous No.15526527]

>>15526517
>>15526499

As for the NATIVE INDIAN MASSACRE. Done by communists.

[Anonymous No.15526533]

>>15526517
>wars between countries are the same as mass murdering your own people
based retard

[Anonymous No.15526541]

>>15526522
I was wondering if you were talking about beautiful places in nature, or you shit concrete real estate.
You keep your concrete on the 150th floor of your jewish city. Don't want it.

[Anonymous No.15526546]

>>15526541
I WAS talking about beautiful places in nature.

[Anonymous No.15526574]

>>15526533
>USSR was communist.
Not according to Lenin. But you know better don't you?
https://libcom.org/forums/theory/lenin-acknowledging-intentional-implementation-state-capitalism-ussr-23032011

[Anonymous No.15526592]

>>15526546
Again, why discussing about problem which will come in decades?
In any case, with 3d printing, housing won't be a problem anymore.
Communists occasionally do war after all. See the Israeli Kibbutzim. Hutterites, on the other hand, just don't jealous other's possessions.

[Anonymous No.15526612]

>>15526592
>problem which will come in decades
lol, more like minutes after private property is abolished

[Anonymous No.15526648]

>>15526612
You know Marx is talking about private property of the means of production right?
When you look at hutterites house, thought, they don't look like something you would risk your life for taking. There is not much place for luxury in communism. Luxury is a waste of labor.

[Anonymous No.15526678]

>>15526648
I don't care what he means, he's a retard. There aren't many beautiful locations on earth and they aren't 3D printable. You're still going to have some people privately owning that property, it's inevitable.

>There is not much place for luxury in communism.
Yeah, we all know that. The only way this stupid shit can work is by removing luxuries across the board. How fucking exciting. I love eating plain soup and bread in my gray-padded jail cell.

[Anonymous No.15526730]

>>15526678
>Yeah, we all know that. The only way this stupid shit can work is by removing luxuries across the board. How fucking exciting. I love eating plain soup and bread in my gray-padded jail cell.
How fucking exciting, playing the Capitalist game, a game which consist at being the best at exploiting the other humans.

>I don't care what he means, he's a retard. There aren't many beautiful locations on earth and they aren't 3D printable. You're still going to have some people privately owning that property, it's inevitable.
Historically, wars were done to acquire ressources, natural and human ressources. Not acquiring the most beautiful house on the top of a mountain.
Anway i could argue that even today, in late stage Capitalism, most people live in the ugliest places. There are plenty of magnificent villages in the west, rent is way cheaper in those village than in megacities.
As for people like you who absolutely wants to live in the absolute best location, maybe society will find a way to deal with you.

[Anonymous No.15526795]

>>15526730
(...) In the primitive Gens, when problems occured, the group decided collectively what to do with the troublemaker.

[Anonymous No.15526806]

>>15526730
>Historically, wars were done to acquire ressources, natural and human ressources. Not acquiring the most beautiful house on the top of a mountain.
Are you kidding? They absolutely were. Property has been a central theme of war for millennia. What about the Trojan War, which was literally all about a woman, for example?

You don't get it, do you? There IS NO abolishing of private property when there's beauty in the world. If there are beautiful locations in the world, which there are (until communists destroy them), there will be people who will want those locations. You can't let everyone live there, because the presence of retarded, disgusting, ugly mutts and overpopulation ruins the scenery. So, as soon as you "abolish private property," or in other words wipe away all the rules currently in place in society, what you're going to have is... basically private property again, except with new property owners. People who have the firepower to seize territories will do so, and they won't let people they don't want near them in.

We got to this point of such inequality precisely because the most intelligent and sensitive people realized that things could be even more beautiful if we removed all that ugliness from the scenery. Inequality is the basis of beauty, in other words. Which is why communist shitholes are always shitholes, and why communists always kill the most sensitive intellectuals and leave alive all the autistic freaks who are content with living in squalor as long as everyone else is.

[Anonymous No.15526923]

Nietzsche's philosophy is what you get when the guy who loved God realizes that God is dead. Marx's philosophy is what you get when the guy who hated God realizes that God is dead.

Search your feelings, /lit/. You will know this to be true.

[Anonymous No.15526936]

>>15526806
>What about the Trojan War, which was literally all about a woman, for example?
Imagine thinking the told motives behind the trojan war are real... Might as well think that the 2003 Afghanistan war was done in order to eliminate terrorists...

>You don't get it, do you?
So if you are so smart, how do you explain Hutterites never wage war against each others? Anyway, communism is supposed to be something existing on the whole world, after Capitalism collapse (and collapsing, Capitalism will...).
Production will be centralized worldly, and allocated according to the needs of everybody. There is no need to attacking some african diamond or gold mine, if production is centralized worldly.

>Inequality is the basis of beauty
Inequality in working conditions induce suffering. If you're trip is to walk on a mountain of corpses and living on the work of other people, it's only because deep down, you feel powerless. Also, Marx never believed in equality. See critique of the gotha program. He believed that people were not equal, but thought that it is unfair to allocate production to people who didn't participate to the production themselves.

[Anonymous No.15526956]

>>15526923
Quote from Marx saying he hated God?

[Anonymous No.15526987]

>>15526936
Imagine thinking legendary myths don't echo the untold vibrations of our world.

>So if you are so smart, how do you explain Hutterites never wage war against each others?
They're autistic freaks who don't know anything about beauty. Who cares about them? Why are they your basis? Are you an autistic freak too?

>There is no need to attacking some african diamond or gold mine, if production is centralized worldly.
You can centralize production, but you can't centralize beauty. That resource will always be limited. See my argument regarding beautiful locations in the world.

>Inequality in working conditions induce suffering.
Okay, and that's a refutation of beauty to you? Why? Pain and suffering wasn't a refutation of creating the world to God. The beauty of the world outweighed the suffering to him, and the suffering was quite necessary for the work.

>He believed that people were not equal, but thought that it is unfair to allocate production to people who didn't participate to the production themselves.
What does the worker know about beauty though? What CAN he know about it, since he spends all his time doing work? Do you think that beauty can be maintained without workers in the world? Naive, or your understanding of beauty is incredibly shallow. Someone has to be exploited, and not everyone can have the same access to beauty, otherwise it loses its touch.

[Anonymous No.15527012]

>>15523623
Ok you're talking about the future and is a materialist and dialectic aplications of that, not the prescent where the class is still a thing, and second, you dont even undestand what historical materialist is, because that is the description of what Marx see as a condition of materialist and contradicctions of the system obligate it to go toward socialism, where class is not a thing anymore because is not useful, so you're shitty argument is not against their philosophy is in a retarded way with it. And Finally eugenistc is a pseudo cientific fascist ideology and has nothing to do with real biology and genetics which is near to monoism and Marxism indeed. Yo desacreditation of marx show you did even release their thesis.

t. not a burguer retarded

[Anonymous No.15527044]

>>15526987
>They're autistic freaks who don't know anything about beauty. Who cares about them? Why are they your basis? Are you an autistic freak too?
Great. Now Huterrites are autistic freaks according to you. They are my basis because they are the living proof that communist communities can exist in the modern world, and even with modern technologies.
>You can centralize production, but you can't centralize beauty. That resource will always be limited. See my argument regarding beautiful locations in the world.
I don't care about your beauty. You are the guy who will see beauty in a $20000 mac pro with mac os. I'm the type of guy who will see beauty in a Risc-V (open hardware) computer who operates Linux. Guess we have both differents view on beauty.
>The beauty of the world outweighed the suffering to him, and the suffering was quite necessary for the work.
Tell this to the Vietnamese kid who make your shoes.
>What does the worker know about beauty though? What CAN he know about it, since he spends all his time doing work? Do you think that beauty can be maintained without workers in the world? Naive, or your understanding of beauty is incredibly shallow. Someone has to be exploited, and not everyone can have the same access to beauty, otherwise it loses its touch.
I'm Marxist, but i also tend to be gnostic, and you sound like a Satanist. Exploitation is at the core of satanism. Civilization is satanic by the way. And your God, the demiurge, Yaldabaoth, YHWH, is Satan.
What's disturbing with you is that you don't even seem to feel conflict with all this. You must be an unabashed Satanist, whether you know it or not.

[Anonymous No.15527085]

>>15524351
Marxism is not a thing, just comies dogmatics belive in that, even Marx rejected the marxism because is not scientific socialism. And second, the theory of Marx like other science advanced since their first theorems, now we can calculate the surplus value and fix the logical contradiction on the theory of Marx in regard of the fall of gains, read Okishio and Anwar Shaikh to undestand this. If marxism is not learned in universities in anglo languages is just becaus epropaganda and scientificism.

[Anonymous No.15527116]

>>15527044
If you think the Hutterites are an exemplary people, then you're basically just proving my point about communists being autistic freaks.

>I'm the type of guy who will see beauty in a Risc-V (open hardware) computer who operates Linux.
You just admitted that you're autistic. Good one.

See, the thing is, you can have your beauty and I can still have mine... but not under communism. Communism deprives everyone of beauty equally in order for it to work, besides the beauty of these autistic freaks you're talking about, the freaks like you, who just told me that you don't care about my beauty. I knew this already, though.

>Tell this to the Vietnamese kid who make your shoes.
That Vietnamese kid has his own luxuries he can enjoy. I have no right to take that away from him by making him conscious of the distance between myself and him. "To each according to his needs," isn't it? That only works as long as you maintain this boundary. But I can't have my needs without the "exploitation" (which isn't really happening, by the way, you're just coloring it that way because you're resentful).

>I'm Marxist, but i also tend to be gnostic, and you sound like a Satanist.
No, I'm elitist. That's all. No need to ascribe superstition to the matter.

[Anonymous No.15527150]

Ok /pol/ this is /lit/. Here we ougth to discuss the content in a book, not the politics around it so if you're not eage to speak abouth the theory, go to /pol/ and open a retard board mocking marxism with your clasical Muh cuba Muh URSS arguments, here not.

[Anonymous No.15527251]

>mob rule

[Anonymous No.15527330]

Fuck off, I'm not American and don't need to be so to cast that book into a BBQ grill. Your so called movement led to the almost unrecoverable destruction of my country. And it was only thanks to America that I lived in a modern democracy today.

[Anonymous No.15527473]

>>15524709
Cuba's a fucking shithole.

[Anonymous No.15527541]

>>15527330
>I lived in a modern democracy today.
okay

[Anonymous No.15527552]

>>15522490
The average american doesnt have the brain power to read marx

[Anonymous No.15527791]

>>15522581
Another retard marxist who's never been to any of the countries he praises.

[Anonymous No.15527866]

>>15527012
>And Finally eugenistc is a pseudo cientific fascist ideology and has nothing to do with real biology and genetics
you have no idea what youre talking about and youve been brainwashed
there are current reaserch/plans on making humans resistant to certain illnesses/viruses right now in western countries, it's just that it's extremely unpopular/unfunded part due to history

[Anonymous No.15527886]

>>15522726
This. It's for mouthbreathers.

[Anonymous No.15527893]

>>15522935
There's an overlap and you know it. I think Orwell talked about this aswell, how socialist is practically synonymous with queer.

[Anonymous No.15527901]

>>15523015
The only people wrongfully killed by national socialism were those killed in wars against it.

[Anonymous No.15527968]

>>15526956
You have to read both of them between the lines to grasp either of those conclusions.

[Anonymous No.15527971]

>>15527866
>there are current reaserch/plans on making humans resistant to certain illnesses/viruses right now in western countries, it's just that it's extremely unpopular/unfunded part due to history
How can one be resistant to certain viruses when viruses are soap fabricated by your own body in order to destroy toxified tissue? Guess you are proud to be some white nationalist, or something like that, but you are mostly into Capitalism narrative.
>>15522726
>I read this book.
So you've read communist manifesto. Because your post doesn't sound coming from someone having read Das Kapital. Even from the ones having read it, but criticizing it.

[Anonymous No.15527988]

>>15527968
I'm not especially against reading between the lines, but many people who have read Marx, and i mean all of Marx, that is also the 11 volume of letters with Engels, say that Marx glorified the revolutionary Christ.
Regarding myself, i have read the 1844 manuscript, Das Kapital vol.1, and vol.2, the critique of the Gotha program and still haven't read one line in those books criticizing god or Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.15528010]

>>15522522
What is wrong with McCarthyism anyways? I heard he went on a witch hunt to find communists in govt and industry but isn’t a witch hunt a search for paper tigers? He identified a ton of commies

[Anonymous No.15528055]

>>15528010
>He identified a ton of commies
Still a lot to learn about. Still have to learn what a real commie is, not a State Capitalism. How does it feels being a retard, does it feel good?