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I don't think we read Nietzsche for his 'opinions' which are often very problematic, e.g. on gender, but as a spur to think for ourselves. Even the fact that there are Nietzsche scholars is to a degree ironic given his comments about scholars are very critical. Reading Nietzsche as a thinker with systematic and consistent views is not to read him well - he seems to detest that kind of system building, as well as 'scholarly' philosophy. I find reading Nietzsche has a lot of highs and lows - some wonderful moments of poetry and profundity, and then some very disappointing and downright offensive arguments as well. I think the angle he takes on the French Revolution is the worst kind of 'philosophy' - reacting to a perceived 'spirit' that is transmitted somehow from a metaphysical 'Judaism' - an interpretation which allows him to dismiss in a sentence all of the actual history/socio-cultural factors and human suffering for the sake of such a reductive theory. All that I would take away from that argument is a) don't philosophize like that b) reflect critically on our ideals and look at where they are coming from - that is to say, for example, that we don't give up on our ideals of justice or equality, but try to cultivate ourselves, so these come from a healthy place, e.g. not from wanting revenge. That way, our struggle for a better world won't be tainted by what we would today call our 'baggage' or something 'toxic'.

I think the term ressentiment, which Nietzsche uses, is quite useful when you observe human behaviour, but it's just that examples of ressentiment that he provides are questionable to me. I noticed a couple of examples of ressentiment myself, for example when one of my peers downplayed the other person's erudition on philosophers, claiming something like: "He reads secondary literature instead of actual works of philosophers, and thus his knowledge of philosophers' ideas is twisted and incorrect." The ridiculous implication of it being - He who goes out and reads a lot actually knows less than me who doesn't have such eagerness to read and gain knowledge. Not that secondary literature cannot create this problem, but his reason for saying it was envy, he didn't know whether the person in question reads the important philosophical works on their own.

Or when one woman justified and rationalized her laziness to herself when listening about other person's hard work and vegetable produce by saying: "Bah, it's all GMO anyway."

https://discord.gg/bgNecx4

Join this discord server if you want to discuss this further.

>> No.15612818

Fuck your discord and fuck you

>> No.15612819

>>15612818
based

>> No.15612830

>>15612789
Go back to your tranny realm tranny.

Though SOME of this is a decent analysis.

>> No.15612852

>>15612789
Yes. Nietzsche is not an infallible god. You have discovered hot water here.

>> No.15612857

>>15612818
>>15612819
>>15612830

Give me a C, C! Give me a O, O! Give me a P, P! Give me a E, E!

What does it spell?

”The perfect woman is a higher type of humanity than the perfect man, and also something much rarer. The natural history of animals furnishes grounds in support of this theory.”

Human, All-Too-Human: Parts One and Two
by Friedrich Nietzsche, pp. 173

>> No.15612870

I’m going to join your server and engage in well informed, good-hearted discussion, nurturing and growing this community in the hope of bringing Nietzsche to a wider cultural awareness and in doing so providing vitality to this hollow world.

>> No.15612924

>>15612870
Do it then.

>> No.15612982

>discord
fuck off retard

>> No.15612991

>>15612857
cringe

>> No.15612994

Fuck off

>> No.15613029
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>>15612789
I give this post a 6/10, far better than most posts on this board, well done.

>> No.15613048

>>15612857
All this effort for an ineffective delivery. Feels good?

>> No.15613262

>>15612789
>but his reason for saying it was envy, he didn't know whether the person in question reads the important philosophical works on their own.
Are you sure it was envy or jealousy and not just an attempt at playing "1-upmanship" on the person? The motivation wasn't envy, it was to imply that reading secondary literature is inferior to reading the actual literature and that he was inferior for doing that, while the man might have thought of him self as superior because he read the literature and not the secondary. That is an example of a status game, people play that all the time and the motivations aren't rooted in jealousy or envy its just the drive to win.

>> No.15613272

>>15612789
>often very problematic
Given you said this I'm inclined to believe Nietzsche may have been right.

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>>15612789
kys tranny

>> No.15613548

>>15612789
you dumb fag. Nietzsche is trying to put into words that he knows at a precognitive level. He is a man of power. Something you niggers and trannies cannot know. Critiquing and interpreting is pointless. Healthy men know Nietzsche is right and we understand him right away. You will forever be an intellectual dalit. now kys and hope for better luck in next life

>> No.15613753

Is this a new copy pasta?

Trannies are garbage and so are you. Existence before essence. Your penis makes you a male, though you'll never be a man

>> No.15613779

>>15613262
>Nietzsche is trying to put into words that he knows at a precognitive level. He is a man of power. Something you niggers and trannies cannot know. Critiquing and interpreting is pointless. Healthy men know Nietzsche is right and we understand him right away. You will forever be an intellectual dalit. now kys and hope for better luck in next life

Hey why don't you join the Discord server and we can discuss this in further detail: https://discord.gg/bgNecx4

>> No.15613801

>>15613779
after such a reply no thx

>> No.15613849

>>15613801
I wasn't talking to you though.

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>>15612789
>problematic

>> No.15614510

>>15612789
>problematic
Please refrain from posting on this board in the future.

>> No.15614759

>>15612789
>I think the angle he takes on the French Revolution is the worst kind of 'philosophy'
Why what did he say about it?

>> No.15614762

>>15613548
>Nietzsche is trying to put into words that he knows at a precognitive level.
He should have done a better job at it so.

>> No.15614789

>>15612789
>which are often very problematic
You misspelled "based".

>> No.15614821

>>15612789
>problematic
Yeah, I don't think I'll be joining your discord.

>> No.15614861

>>15612857
thats right. key words here are "perfect" and "much rarer"

>> No.15614907

>>15613262
>Are you sure it was envy or jealousy and not just an attempt at playing "1-upmanship" on the person? The motivation wasn't envy, it was to imply that reading secondary literature is inferior to reading the actual literature and that he was inferior for doing that, while the man might have thought of him self as superior because he read the literature and not the secondary. That is an example of a status game, people play that all the time and the motivations aren't rooted in jealousy or envy its just the drive to win.

I know it because he himself is not much of a reader, not that passionate about philosophy. Soon he started realizing he might be downplaying the other person's knowledge because of feeling inferior, which is good,

>> No.15615245

>>15612789
>his 'opinions' which are often very problematic, e.g. on gender
Well, you made the decision to enter that Discord or not pretty easy.

>> No.15616581

>>15614861
This. But it flew right over OPs head.

>> No.15616599

>problematic
>literal discord tranny
everyday this board gets more astroturfed

>> No.15616605

I was away for a few years.
Is it still forbidden to announce SAGE?

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> problematic

Stopped reading. KYS

>> No.15617169

>>15612857
Male Variability hypothesis
Nietzsche has always been the greatest

>> No.15617253

> dismiss in a sentence all of the actual history/socio-cultural factors

When you deal with the nomothetic you dispense with the idiographic by necessity.

> and human suffering

Nietzsche's philosophy is about human suffering. Not the affected theatre of leftist history, but actual human suffering.

> That way, our struggle for a better world won't be tainted by what we would today call our 'baggage' or something 'toxic'.

One of the most important points that Nietzsche makes in all his writing is that your "better world" is not desirable, even if it were possible.
> The UNIVERSAL DEGENERACY OF MANKIND to the level of
the "man of the future"--as idealized by the socialistic fools and
shallow-pates--this degeneracy and dwarfing of man to an absolutely
gregarious animal (or as they call it, to a man of "free society"),
this brutalizing of man into a pigmy with equal rights and claims, is
undoubtedly POSSIBLE! He who has thought out this possibility to its
ultimate conclusion knows ANOTHER loathing unknown to the rest of
mankind--and perhaps also a new MISSION!