/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15627353]

>"There can be no poetry after Auschwitz."

Do you agree? Do you disagree? Why do you agree or disagree with him?

[Anonymous No.15627378]

>>15627353
Was it really that horrible? All you ever hear about it is endless whining and how important it is to remember it etc. Kinda of like a cult.

[Anonymous No.15627387]

I long for the day when the Holocaust becomes the historical event that it is, or that it is NOW, instead of being this big immediate gaping wound that people are constantly trying to keep open and bleeding. It is 2020. In twenty-one years it will be 2041. The concentration camps first began to operate in 1941. That means that in 21 years it will have been ONE HUNDRED YEARS since the start of the Holocaust. Are we still going to be making such a big deal about it then? By that point I bet every single Holocaust survivor will be dead. Will we still make such a big deal about it when that happens?

The Holocaust must inevitably become a historical event. It will join other genocides and mass killings, like the Armenian Genocide and the Rwandan Genocide. This is inevitable and it's going to happen no matter how many bleeding hearts try to stop it from happening. The Holocaust is going to fade into the history books whether people like it or not.

[Anonymous No.15627414]

>there can be no poetry after The Battle of Suiyang

[Anonymous No.15627427]

>>15627387
The Jews don't want this because then people will start to study it more seriously and see how exaggerated it was.

[Anonymous No.15627428]

>>15627387
>Noooooo but then how would we remind the goyim not to be antisemitic??

[Anonymous No.15627434]

>>15627353
>There can only be poetry after Auschwitz.

[Anonymous No.15627449]

>>15627387
It pretty much is at this point. Jews will always use it to rent seek but very few people care about it in the mainstream.

[Anonymous No.15627452]

yeah i’m really not digging the anti-semitic undertones of this thread

[Anonymous No.15627453]

>>15627353
A more accurate translation of that quote is "It is barbaric to write a poem after Auschwitz". ("Nach Auschwitz ein Gedicht zu schreiben, ist barbarisch")

[Anonymous No.15627459]

>>15627452
Yeah, cool it with the antisemitism, y'all.

[Anonymous No.15627461]

>>15627353
There can be no poetry after Seattle.

[Anonymous No.15627489]

>>15627461
They should turn the CHOP into a poetry slam zone where you can only speak in slam poetry

[Anonymous No.15627495]

>>15627489
I can do that. Have no fear, I'll fight communism here

[Anonymous No.15627510]

>>15627495
>rhyming
uhh isn't slam poetry just saying stuff spastically on a stage

[Anonymous No.15627533]

>>15627510
I don't know, You! Should think.
Not with YOUR pp...

[Anonymous No.15627546]

>>15627387
Slavery ended in America 150 years ago, yet niggers still want to keep that wound open. These people will never be satisfied even if they are paid reparations.

[Anonymous No.15627550]

I feel this a bit bro. Think about what's going on now with COVID-19. If you're writing theory or making thematic art on some random shit and all of the current shit happens you're kind of a fag if you keep going because it's been invalidated in the cultural sphere by more pressing matters

Like Auschwitz happens and are you seriously still going to write poems about tonguing whores as though everythings back to normal

[Anonymous No.15627562]

>>15627353
Why would he make his collar so tight? I've never known anyone to have a muffin-top for a neck.

[Anonymous No.15627781]

>>15627387
>By that point I bet every single Holocaust survivor will be dead
Wrong. There will be a handful of 100+ year olds who were born in concentration camps or were extremely young, but miraculously they will still remember in detail the 'horrors' which occured and get documentaties where they recount those horrors in an interview.

[Anonymous No.15627823]

I read something about the lens of Frankfurts being viewed through the lens of holocaust trauma which is why their bore such rotten fruit.

[Anonymous No.15627833]

>>15627781
Followed by decedents having dreams of their holocostered family members telling them new stories about just how bad things really were.

[Anonymous No.15627853]

>>15627453
This. The idea is that we cannot write poetry as before, but we need to write poetry nontheless, we must. Adorno always uses contradictions to think and doesn't want to resolve them.

[Anonymous No.15627919]

>>15627546
Chattel slavery, sure, but there were ways around that. In 1898 more than 70% of Alabama's state revenue came from convict leasing, which wasn't banned until 1941

[Anonymous No.15628105]

>>15627387
It's hard when we get dozens of holocoast movies made every years by hollywood. How we are told it's the worst event to ever happen in human history. How we are bombarded everyday with the message that nazis were literally inhuman demons made only for evil. How kids in school learn about the holocaust for 2 months every school year. How boomers and jews keep insisting on how terrible it was and bringint it up any kind of wrong behaviour by a jew is brought up.
The day people forget about the holocaust they will start talking about jews again as it has been happening for 2000 years and they want to prevent that from happening

[Anonymous No.15628246]

>>15627353
Indeed. No words will ever surpass the poetry of the Holocaust.

[Anonymous No.15628254]

>there can be no poetry after the native amerikkkan genocide.

Evidently wrong.

[Anonymous No.15628263]

The holocaust is not important.

[Anonymous No.15628273]

Owned.

[Anonymous No.15629191]

>>15627353
>"There can be no poetry after Auschwitz."
Not a statement but an order.

[Anonymous No.15629697]

It's funny how all you little shits larp at being supermen when you are clearly the last man
No history, no thought, no culture, nothing
None of you have anything to say, and yet you never shut up

[Anonymous No.15629740]

>>15627387
It's going to be interesting if we live to see it. There have been plenty of other genocides, wars, ethnic killings, unethical treatments of prisoners etc etc since then but none have anywhere near the amount of weight at this point, even those committed long after. Like other people have said it seems to have been perpetuated probably through the media, books and hollywood but I would be interested to see if or when that ever truly fades.

[Anonymous No.15629759]

>>15627353
I disagree in part because the "holocaust" was clearly heavily exaggerated, most of them died due to starvation and disease just like millions of German civilians did during the war and its aftermath. Even if it wasn't exaggerated though it's completely trivial in the long scheme of things. Where are the commemorations of the hundreds of thousands of innocent Greek and Roman civilians who were brutally slaughtered in cold blood by Jews who rose up in revolt against the Roman Empire? There are none, so why should I care about the most likely fake "holocaust"?

[Anonymous No.15629783]

Melodramatic. Did they say this shit after the black plague too?

[Anonymous No.15630467]

>>15628273
The tiger = white people

The cage = Jewish mental constructs

[Anonymous No.15630492]

>>15627353

Primo Levi: Hold my beer.

>There is Auschwitz, and so there cannot be God.

[Anonymous No.15630565]

Why do /pol/tards whine about the industrial age and its consequences but try to downplay the event that applied cold industrial efficiency to human slaughter? Similarly to how you invent an industrial process because workers can't keep up with the workload, the nazis employed these methods so that their men would be able to detach themselves emotionally from the killing that needed to be done to reach the goal.

[Anonymous No.15630581]

>>15630565
You don't sound like you've read anything about the Holocaust. There was no 'big plan', there was no 'orchestration'. Arendt called it the banality of evil. It's just people slowly doing what was kind of implied by race theory, it wasn't a consequence of the gas chambers being 'industrial' (which only accounted for a fraction of the overall killings, most were in shootings by the Einzatsgruppen).

[Anonymous No.15630638]

no jew was ever gassed

[Anonymous No.15630645]

>>15627353

[Anonymous No.15630719]

>>15630565
>cold industrial efficiency
Yeah, with wooden doors.

[Anonymous No.15630729]

It's like Paul Celan and Nelly Sachs never happened...

[Anonymous No.15630742]

>>15627353
Perhaps. Fortunately, a lot of poetry is allowed after Treblinka. So it's a wash.

[Anonymous No.15630756]

>>15627387
As a Jew I agree, though to be fair it's already happening. The Holocaust is being slowly dissoluted as a larger meme in the culture. First it's Holocaust jokes and Godwin points at every corner (that's what we are at now), and then it becomes just a historical reference like any other.

[Anonymous No.15630765]

>>15627387
Zionists have a vested interest in maintaining the holocaust as the emotional touchstone so they have an excuse to shoot Palestinians

[Anonymous No.15630777]

>>15630492
This one makes sense though, similar arguments have been used for centuries.

[Anonymous No.15630783]

>>15630645
Kek

[Anonymous No.15630790]

>>15627353
It's time for the Grand Narrative of the Holocaust to be deconstructed.
It's way overdue.

[Anonymous No.15630816]

>>15630581
>You don't sound like you've read anything about the Holocaust.
You don't sound like you read much about it either. The nazis were pretty organized and they had even bigger plans than the Holocaust in this respect (see Generalplan Ost).

>it wasn't a consequence of the gas chambers being 'industrial'
The gas chambers were working at a very fast rate, so yes, the death count is in no small part due to how well that solution was implemented.

> It's just people slowly doing what was kind of implied by race theory
None of that contradicts the existence of a plan, it might actually entail it given the Nazi take on race theory and german racial destiny.

>Arendt called it the banality of evil.
Arendt is a public commentator and philosopher, not a qualified historian of the Holocaust. And banality of evil does not mean there couldn't have been a plan.

>which only accounted for a fraction of the overall killings, most were in shootings by the Einzatsgruppen
It's more about 50-50 actually.

[Anonymous No.15630840]

>>15627353
>woah woah woah, you mean I have to suffer in life TOO???
>poetry is OVER.
what a pussy

[Anonymous No.15630855]

>>15627353
Adorno eventually retracted that statement. I guess it made sense at the time, considering that he had lost so many friends (he also had a pretty bad survivor's complex)

[Anonymous No.15630900]

People seem to forget that there have been successful genocides, and that history is littered with antique races, likely since no one is left to cry over them.

[Anonymous No.15630906]

>>15630900
This. The Holocaust shows one thing and one thing only: your genocide only matters if you have a PR team.

[Anonymous No.15630991]

>>15630816
>Generalplan Ost
Yeah I've read about it, there's even some good historical fiction on it (Robert Harris' Fatherland).
>None of that contradicts the existence of a plan
Then why did the seminal Holocaust historian say there was no plan for a final solution? I was also trying to evoke him since he was a main influence on Hannah Arendt.
>It's more about 50-50 actually
Still a fraction. People seem to forget that most of the killings were done by gun. I think the other amount can be correlated to being overworked or gassed, or experimented on, or raped continually in a camp, etc.

[Anonymous No.15631003]

>>15630900
This is the one benefit of forced diversity: all the 3rd worlders who’ve been getting genocided for generations get to laugh at jews
>haha 6 million, that’s it? and you’re numbers have completely bounced back AND you get your own nation after that? haha what a little bb

[Anonymous No.15631270]

>>15627387
Why do you exactly long for that?

Better yet: do you really believe that in all the years of Holocaust research and evidence gathering, it is going to go away anytime soon? People know it happened. And people know the human trash that wants it to be forgotten.

[Anonymous No.15631441]

>>15627387
it's only getting worse; could you imagine a Historikerstreit in 2020?

[Anonymous No.15631487]

>>15627387
The Holocaust occurred at precisely the right time for it to have this kind of effect, at a time of extensive documentation. The camps are also preserved as memorials, people can go walk around and put themselves in the shoes of an inmate. Then all the firsthand accounts, some of which are solid works with depth (Primo Levi, Viktor Frankl), I'd say it won't fade back into history like other events.

[Anonymous No.15631496]

>>15631487
Oh we'll see about that

[Anonymous No.15631511]

>>15630756
you that, you filthy creature, yet not only is more and more, legislation being passed against antisemitism even in, and especially in, humor but also the endless bombardment of muh holocaust has not dwindled by your people. IN fact i would argue that we, more so in the past, are not allowed to joke about "such a serous issue".

[Anonymous No.15631516]

>>15631496
I suppose we will, but what I'm saying is there are clear distinctions between the Holocaust and other atrocities in history. Ironically the Holocaust has been made as concrete as possible.

[Anonymous No.15631655]

>>15627387
The Holocaust occupies a central spot in the post-Christian civil religion of human rights worship that emerged after WW2. It won't ever go away because an entire ideological system relies on it.

[Anonymous No.15631769]

>>15627387
There was a single war that lasted 100 years, entire cities would be under siege for hundreds of years not too long ago. 80 years is nothing, it just seems long ago because the internet has accelerated the pace of our society.

[Anonymous No.15631791]

>>15631511
>you that
Try to make sense in English, will you?
Holocaust joke abound, my friends do it all the time, it's only around people who lost relatives in the Holocaust that they avoid it. Hitler memes are everywhere on the internet, and not only on this site. You clearly only consume pozzed media or are obsessed by it. Clean your mind and read more.
Not sure why I'm even bothering to answer you post since it is just a rage-fueled ramble. Try to control your nerves.

[Anonymous No.15631838]

>>15630991
>Then why did the seminal Holocaust historian say there was no plan for a final solution? Which seminal historian are you talking about? So far you've only mentioned Arendt, who was criticized by Hillberg, one of the most important Holocaust historian.The very idea of "final solution" essentially implies a plan. This doesn't mean that the plan was airtight or entirely figured out, that's only natural given the scale.
Now of course if you want to get into the functionalist vs intentionalist debate that's a legitimate question, but a different one imo. That there was effectively a state-spanning structure to physically get rid of Jews in Reich territory on a wide scale and that it had roots up to the highest level of Nazi leadership is hardly contested in the community of historian. It wasn't just a cluster of pogroms, wanton military brutality and bad managment as you seem to imply (although those things of course play a part).

>Still a fraction.
That's not how the word is used in English in those contexts, but whatever is consistent with your personal semantics. Doesn't change anything to my point.

> People seem to forget that most of the killings were done by gun.
Again, doesn't change much. The Einsatzgruppen weren't random soldier on the loose, they were formed and sent to the front for that specific purpose. Even the bureacratic class had to participate.

>I think the other amount can be correlated to being overworked or gassed, or experimented on, or raped continually in a camp

[Anonymous No.15631858]

>>15627353
>Do you disagree?
yes. no event is worth giving up a from of art for and in fact I would argue that doing poetry about Auschwitz is how you show it has not broken you or become a bogyman for you
>Why do you agree or disagree with him?
because Im hitler reborn.

[Anonymous No.15631874]

Pretty crazy that the word holocaust almost exclusively belongs to jews. There have been many many holocausts but just one THE Holocaust

[Anonymous No.15631893]

>>15627387
its been more than 150 years since slavery in the USA ended. less than 1 million people where shipped into USA as slaved and today more than 328 million people live in it but it still dominates their minds.

[Anonymous No.15631899]

>>15630900
>>15630906
It is also very important not to half-ass the job.

[Anonymous No.15631905]

>>15627353
Jews are just jealous because the third reich was the ultimate gesamtkunstwerk

[Anonymous No.15631907]

>>15627353
Can there be limericks after Buchenwald?
Can there be haikus after Dachau?

[Anonymous No.15631928]

>>15631899
Couple of lessons really:
>Dont gas them to death, work them to death instead and then release them just before they collapse for plausible deniability
>Starve them to death for more plausible deniability
>Kill them all if possible, if not possible then sabotage the propaganda abilities of any ethnicity you want to genocide

[Anonymous No.15631949]

>>15631874
It's more of an Anglo thing. Many other countries use the word Shoah.

[Anonymous No.15631951]

>>15631907
>Autumn comes
>Jews settle down into the ovens

[Anonymous No.15631958]

>>15631928
>Starve them to death for more plausible deniability
This one is very important. The holodomor route is really the most reliable.

[Anonymous No.15631964]

>muh holocaust!!!1

Is there a bigger cope than this?

[Anonymous No.15631972]

>>15627387
Inshallah, anon

[Anonymous No.15631994]

>>15627353
I've written poetry. Am I an anti-semite now?

brb writing more poetry

[Anonymous No.15631996]

>>15631874
It's also religious symybolism. The burnt offerings to God were also referred to (intermittently, mind you) as "holocausts". Really makes you think

[Anonymous No.15632018]

>>15627378
Ye. Read if this is a man. And that's a somewhat good descriptor since primo Levi shines on the humane struggle.

[Anonymous No.15632021]

>>15631928
What's the point of worrying about the poor weak ones? Find all the clever shifty elite types -- the bankers, the journalists -- and immediately sterilize them. Then keep them isolated from the outside world doing whatever they want until they die of natural causes. Have a heart.

[Anonymous No.15632023]

>>15631928
death and fast cover up are the way to go. slow march in small batches. The longer it takes the higher the chance of being outed.
>>15631958
if it was, you would not be hearing about holodomor.

[Anonymous No.15632024]

What would he think of Sylvia Plath's "daddy"?

[Anonymous No.15632048]

>>15631511
>Not allowed to joke about
Insert Hitler stroking a cat meme pic

[Anonymous No.15632050]

I think the Holocaust absolutely happened but it isnt historically important. Throughout history there have been genocides of many magnitudes more and even in the 20th century there were genocides multiple times larger. I've been called a Holocaust Denier for claiming this but I'm not denying the Holocaust.

[Anonymous No.15632052]

>>15627353
No Jews are fucking cry babies that want to make the entire world suffer if they get the slightest hint Of repercussions for their actions.

I wish they were all gassed and there was poetry about it.

[Anonymous No.15632074]

>>15632050
What genocide was larger than the holocaust in the 20th century? Or any period for that matter

[Anonymous No.15632078]

>>15632050
The Holocaust is literally the big bad in western morals, together with the nukes. What's the big bad if we abandon all morals and war as cruelly as possible? Holocaust if it's a slow war and nukes if it's a fast war. Holocaust is the scar it's all based around. It's true that there's other scars, but we are all hypocrites so the Armenian or the other dozen genocides are ignored.

[Anonymous No.15632091]

>>15632052
What actions? Wish I could find your mother's basement and see what you talk then.

[Anonymous No.15632115]

>>15632050
I think that the Holocaust happened and that it was a massive tragedy. I also believe that historic oppression, even systematic oppression, does not automatically make you morally perfect. Ex slaves can still be cruel evil fucktards, a fact that is completely lost to both the Salafistfuckers and the Eternal Zionists

[Anonymous No.15632130]

>>15632115
? Who the fuck says that lol ?

[Anonymous No.15632147]

>>15632130
Muh oppression and muh injustice is the single biggest excuse for angelic oppressed minority group of the week.

[Anonymous No.15632180]

>>15627378
I mean it really showed how horrible the human nature can be, yeah. My family was affected by it partially, so maybe this has more importance to me than to an average American, but I'm pretty sure it was the cruelest event in history. Read Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl, it's a good read and shows pretty well the reality of concentration camps.

[Anonymous No.15632182]

>>15632147
You're confusing blm with jews.

Jews understand that if you are both different and weak you get trodden on. So we take out the weak part as much as possible. It's mostly Israel using Holocaust as a political weapon in the UN and even as an Israeli it's getting kinda old. But hey it works, so we're gonna keep using it.

[Anonymous No.15632184]

>>15627353
Wasn’t even the biggest genocide of the war. Nips killed 10s of millions of Gooks. But since they weren’t Jews I guess no one cares.

You want to know the most fucked up part of the holocaust? 11 millions people died in it but we are only taught about the 6 million fucking kikes.

From a very young age you have been mentally manipulated to perceive the 6 million in a religious manner. You worship them to an even greater degree for many then even Christ: you are made to feel guilty besides the fact that you and everybody else had literally nothing to do with it. Even if you were the fucking grandson of Adolf Hitler, or your ancestors were in some way directly involved, there is literally nothing to feel personally or more broadly guilty about.


From an objective historical perspective the holocaust isn’t even in the top 10 worst events, it’s a fucking meaningless blip. People do horrible shit and have horrible shit happen to them. No one makes a big deal about it besides the whiney fucking kikes.

20 million fucking Russians died in the war, after the war ended the largest mass rape in human history occurred to the German women living in Eastern Europe, prior to even ww2 20 million died in ww1 now add those tens of millions more Europeans that died in ww2. This was the real holocaust of the 20th century. Entire generations wiped out only for the Jewish media and schools To tell you they were all evil whites and the only ones that mattered were the 6 bajillion.

[Anonymous No.15632199]

>>15627387
people only started making a big deal out of the holocaust in the 90's when schindler's list and other movies like that started coming out.

before that hitler wasnt considered 'evil', he was just the war leader like musolini

[Anonymous No.15632201]

>>15632184
>Yes, 20 million Russian died in the war due to a systematic attempt to kill them

American education man. Read a bit behind the numbers.

[Anonymous No.15632222]

>>15627387
>the holocaust was a 100 years ago

[Anonymous No.15632231]

>>15632184
yeah, people for some reason don't give a shit about ordinary Polish, Czech and Russian people (also the homosexuals and disabled) who were gassed. Sad desu, my grandgrandfather almost died in a work camp, but people think only jews were taken to camps.

[Anonymous No.15632249]

>>15632222
>Jews gassed in 1945 would be 75 now
Feel old yet?

[Anonymous No.15632250]

>>15632182
No, I’m really not. The Holocaust became a giant joke because of people like you. Rather than learning something from it and trying to utilize the tragic experience of millions to improve the world, even if it’s just a tiny bit, it became an instance of oppression used by religious zealots to fuel even more oppression, meaning that you’ve learned absolutely jackshit from the Holocaust, and that your ancestors died for nothing

[Anonymous No.15632269]

finkelsteins "holocaust industry" is a great read on the horrors of the shoah

[Anonymous No.15632270]

>>15632091
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_strike_of_January_1918
This cost Germany the war it was that close. Do the slightest bit of research and all the unions were of course run by Jews.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacist_uprising
Literally all the leaders Jews.

It’s not really hard to understand Jews are like now an internationalist people with more loyalty to themselves then the nation they reside in. The are parasites that take positions of power to extract resources for themselves, and to promote libertine politics and culture to safeguard their position.

[Anonymous No.15632280]

>>15627550
yes

[Anonymous No.15632287]

>>15627353
well no wonder contemporary poetry is so bad!

[Anonymous No.15632288]

>>15632250
We learned really good from the Holocaust. We learned that we will never let ourselves be powerless again, and that if it takes to be the ones in power well do it. I ain't happy about the Palestine situation either, but Im not going to work towards a world where I have no home country as a Jew. What, walk around the world where every time there's a little bit of stress antisemitism props up from every corner? Na man. Fuck that. If I need to be a bit racist towards some Arabs then that's the price of protecting me and my family.

[Anonymous No.15632299]

>>15632270
Yes, we are always leading revolution, leading science, leading thought. Search for Jews in a strange country, and you'll find the cutting edge. Maybe were just better.

[Anonymous No.15632321]

>>15627387
WW2 and the holocaust are the foundation myths that our new global civilization is based on. It won't go away until we free our selves.

[Anonymous No.15632323]

>>15632201
20 million died. That’s a single nation not even getting into the civilian counts of every other nation. Jews were a tiny portion of the people that died but 99% of the shit is about them.

[Anonymous No.15632339]

>>15632323
Every except Americans knows and recognize they did the bilk of the blood work.

[Anonymous No.15632369]

>>15632299
M8 I grew up in a Jewish community. I’ll grant that you’re probably the most verbally intelligent people but you’re physically weak, neurotic, almost all are predisposed to any kind of allergy, glasses, mental illness, etc.

All the studies on Jewish iq show you have a superhuman verbal iq but your spatial iq is beneath goys.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence#Evidence_for_a_group_difference_in_intelligence

[Anonymous No.15632379]

>>15632339
I can’t speak to if that’s true or not but America is a big fucking deal so my point stands regardless.

[Anonymous No.15632383]

>>15632323
I'll agree with you that the rest of the deaths don't get the proper mentions. Hypocrites. But the Holocaust is the biggest scar where we saw humanity at it's lowest. For senseless war deaths we have the nukes. Kinda fell out of favor after cold war ended but it's still the big 'civilians and soldiers gonna die'. Russians are left by the sidelines.

Makes sense from a political and moral perspective. You can't hold that the Russians are the enemies and that they suffered at the same time. Neither with gays, which is not talkable for most of history in USA. Gypsies? Gypsies are forgotten. I'm sure most of usa think they only exist in fairy tales.

[Anonymous No.15632400]

>>15632383
The Jews were the enemy of the German people it was fully justified.

[Anonymous No.15632401]

>>15632369
Oh nooo my ability to visualize 3d shapes is low what will I do

About the illnesses it's even a stereotype in Israel that hasidics get sick a lot. Idk why. I think something's fucked in their culture. Not that it really matters in the day of medicine, except mental issues.

[Anonymous No.15632409]

>>15632400
Yes, they were the enemies once they were declared so.

[Anonymous No.15632423]

Anyhow, fuck all the Jew haters. Enjoy your no Jews and no modern physics world, and also about half of modern science.

[Anonymous No.15632453]

>>15632023
>if it was, you would not be hearing about holodomor.
You certainly hear less about it than the Holocaust.

[Anonymous No.15632469]

>>15627387
The children of the (((survivors))) will carry their legacy, don't you worry.

>My mother was gassed when she was 6 yrs old oy vey

[Anonymous No.15632484]

>>15632409
Jews declared war on the Germans first

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cQzClef8vMkM/

[Anonymous No.15632509]

>>15632401
Isn’t cause you guys are a bit inbred because you’ve only been marrying between other Jews for thousands of years? At least that’s what a Jewish friend told me.

>It's the mental feat that architects and engineers perform when they design buildings. The capacity that permits a chemist to contemplate the three-dimensional structure of a molecule, or a surgeon to navigate the human body.

>It's what Michelangelo used when he visualized a future sculpture trapped inside a lump of stone.

>It's also the mode of thought we use to imagine different visual perspectives. Are these two shapes different? Or are they identical and merely oriented differently?

[Anonymous No.15632520]

>>15632423
Oh, no!

[Anonymous No.15632531]

>>15632423
Jewish science is a meme. Go on any wikipedia science discovery page, 90% of the time its a gentile.I

also Jewish thought is completely centered around legalism on one side and chaos on the other but both always adhere to judeo christian morals.

So we can at least say Jews might be revolutionaries but certainly not revolutionaries of thought

[Anonymous No.15632547]

>>15627495
>I'll fight communism here
You don't have to, it fell in 1991.

[Anonymous No.15632584]

>>15632231
My grandfather fought for the Germans on the east front and got sent off to the gulags as a Soviet prisoner of war for, I believe, five years. I remember him as a quiet, practically gifted man, but one day when he was already in his late 80s he told me about his time in the labor camps in quite a bit of detail, but I was still pretty young at the time and I didn't get what it was he was trying to communicate until I read the gulag archipelago a couple years later and talked about it with my father. A Russian my grandfather became friends with actually made him a little cross in a bottle that he eventually brought back to Germany and kept with him until the end of his life
I think the grand narratives we tell about mass killings and the crimes committed by entire nations, how "we must not allow such a thing to ever happen again", promote a naive understanding of how we are to go about preventing the next catastrophe. We can't neatly divide the world into guilty and innocent parties. Even if every citizen of a nation is treated as complicit in one massive crime, that doesn't reflect their personal circumstances, and yes, those circumstances do matter.

To bring things back on topic, I think Adorno's analysis is backwards. The horrors of the 20th century may be difficult to represent and make comprehensible artistically, but that makes artistic work on the subject all the more important. It needs to be integrated into the post-modern individuals archetypal landscape so that it does not consume it.

[Anonymous No.15632595]

>>15627353
hitler, stalin, mao, pol pot did nothing wrong.

[Anonymous No.15632616]

Auschwitz codified atrocity in the minds of the 20th century public but from a historical perspective, or even on the basis of contemporary events, it was not and is not the greatest mass atrocity in even recent history. The statement itself revolves around utility: to treat Auschwitz as the arch-crime of humankind means that either one is utilizing the tragedy of Auschwitz for some purpose or being utilized by the former group. To suggest that ignoring this purpose is barbaric is to state that the standard for civilization is set within the bounds of what is established within the framework of the arch-crime of Auschwitz. It suggests a kind of empire of the mind, bounded by a notion of original sin. It overwrites the line, thusly, between the noble barbarian who acknowledges the atrocity but not its singular character, nor the constructed notion of it as original sin, and the savage who may deny both the events themselves and the character thereof. In this world view there are only the saved and the unsaved.

The question is not whether this description is accurate, but rather whether or not this is an imperative, description, or lament.

[Anonymous No.15632639]

>>15627353
This guy was almost literally retarded. He thought movies were bad because they overstimulated the audience and made thought difficult. Let that sink in.

[Anonymous No.15632644]

>>15632616
there's nothing wrong there. mass killings happened everywhere at that time and were necessary and inevitable. not a crime, mercy.

[Anonymous No.15632648]

>>15632639
>He thought movies were bad because they overstimulated the audience and made thought difficult.
True

[Anonymous No.15632662]

>>15632299
>Maybe were just better
Learn to spell.

[Anonymous No.15632666]

>>15632648
You ARE literally retarded if you think that's true in 2020. He at least had the excuse of writing The Culture Industry in the 1940's, I guess.

[Anonymous No.15632676]

>>15632666
Calm down, Overstimulation. No one is trying to take your pills yet.

[Anonymous No.15632679]

>>15632644
Ah, the ignoble savage raises his head! He who has neither the empty baptism of the saved nor the wild virtue of those others.

[Anonymous No.15632691]

>>15627353
Attila, Mohammed, Ghenghis Khan, Tamerlane, Cortez, Pizarro, Napoleon, Leopold, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, etc. - each of those men killed as many or more people, but so it happens that they were not focused just on Jews. Everything else is superficial bullshit, and statements like these only show how myopic the worldview of the speaker is.

[Anonymous No.15632699]

>>15632676
There is nothing "overstimulating" to the point of confusion with watching a movie, even if you pay close attention to it. You grew up without access to television and/or you're mentally deficient if you think otherwise, which is fine, but thinking you have any right to comment on contemporary culture when you're not even a part of it is arrogant on your part.

[Anonymous No.15632706]

>>15632423
Didn't jews lead to christkeks which is generally believed to held back science and shit? Or do you just mean if you all vanished in the modern sense? (probably still wouldnt mean much desu)

[Anonymous No.15632748]

>>15631769
these wars didn't last for decades uninterrupted. what city was under siege for hundreds of years?

[Anonymous No.15632807]

>>15632699
That's an interesting dichotomy you've invented for yourself to think your Marvel movies are a noble pursuit

[Anonymous No.15632836]

>>15627353
>there can be no poetry after something that never happened

[Anonymous No.15632849]

>>15632807
That's one hell of a strawman you've built. I'm assuming you're the "mentally deficient" one I mentioned.

[Anonymous No.15632860]

>>15632679
true crime is to bear new child in time of war, saturated job market, industrial revolution. so say your words to a mirror.

[Anonymous No.15632874]

>>15632860
Ah, so you are neither among the savages nor among the flock. I think that might be true sin.

[Anonymous No.15632918]

>>15632874
and that makes you savage or in the flock?

[Anonymous No.15632942]

>>15632918
Well I'm not of the flock, certainly.

[Anonymous No.15632972]

>>15628105
>get dozens of holocoast movies made every years by hollywood
name 12 from the last two years

[Anonymous No.15633028]

The Holocaust didn't happen. There isn't a single shred of forensical evidence to prove it, and the fact that questioning it is illegal is enough to throw it into doubt. Truth does not fear investigation.

[Anonymous No.15633037]

>>15627353
Circumcision is worse.

[Anonymous No.15633056]

>>15627353
bait

[Anonymous No.15633084]

>>15630790
Indeed. The jews are baby torturing subhumans and should not be valued beyond the threat rating.

[Anonymous No.15633153]

>>15632849
That must be that cognitive heavyweight you got from all those years wrestling over the ethical dilemmas of toy story

[Anonymous No.15633169]

>>15627387
they'll just manufacture a new one.
better yet, create a simulacrum of it and have the hyperreal simulation of victimhood continue to play out.

[Anonymous No.15633243]

>>15633169
holocaust is the myth that holds together western society, and civilization. if hitler is not bad, whom to blame for misery? obama? trump? civilization always had remote scapegoats, satan, hitler. hate them.

[Anonymous No.15633244]

>>15633153
If you watched more movies besides children's movies that released during your childhood (there are thousands, since humanity has been making movies yearly for over a century) you would have better context for your theory and might also figure out why you and Adorno are culturally challenged.

[Anonymous No.15633284]

>>15627387
They'll just create a new one to justify their illegitimate existence, just like how the election of Trump was nothing but good for the neoliberal regime.

[Anonymous No.15633288]

>>15632023
>if it was, you would not be hearing about holodomor.
Well given its scale it is very underdiscussed and often not considered genocide. Almost any other genocide gets mentioned more often. And it's really hard to hide those things in the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.15633290]

>>15633243
It's amazing how many Americans aren't interested in history beyond media-approved fictional morality plays of it.

[Anonymous No.15633298]

>>15627387
not going to happen because the war and holobunga are the founding myths of modern western society.

[Anonymous No.15633300]

>>15627353
Worse things have happened. Read Chinese history. Hell, worse is happening in Yemen right now

[Anonymous No.15633305]

>>15632184
>You want to know the most fucked up part of the holocaust? 11 millions people died in it but we are only taught about the 6 million fucking kikes.
That seems a lot to me, I thought it was 4-5 millions jews and 1-2 millions other (including gypsies).

[Anonymous No.15633328]

>>15631487
first hand accounts like the horrors of the roller coasters?

[Anonymous No.15633330]

>>15632379
It's a big deal but it's hardly a proof of anything given how ignorant they are about history besides their own (and even including their own). Even WW1 gets pretty much swept under the rug or confused with WW2. Americans only care about a handful of American war (independence war, civil war, WW2 + Holocaust as a bonus and vietnam war).

[Anonymous No.15633342]

>>15632299
Crazy how the jew stays up but any comment offering even mild criticism gets deleted.
Why are jews so fragile?

[Anonymous No.15633363]

>>15632369
> you’re physically weak
That's a meme, jews are one of the ethnic group with the highest proportion of soldiers currently.

>almost all are predisposed to any kind of allergy, glasses, mental illness
That's only ashkenazi and even then it's not that common. Yet another overblown meme (but at least that one has a basis in reality).

>All the studies on Jewish iq show you have a superhuman verbal iq but your spatial iq is beneath goys.
Another ridiculous exageration. IQ is a meme and ashkenazi IQ is not superhuman, at best it's very high, it's also very biased because studies are mostly conduced in the US among upper-class Jews. Your own source also put the average ashkenazi visual IQ at 98, which is near identical to the general average.

TL;DR: Your post is mostly exaggerated or false memes that apply at best only to upper-class American ashkenazim, and that at worst are counterfactual.

[Anonymous No.15633382]

>>15633363
Why are Jews so fragile they can't accept criticism? Any failure to shut up and listen is just more proof that they can't stand being contradicted.

[Anonymous No.15633383]

>>15632288
Yeah, here's the thing though... By working against white ethnocentrists and keeping the white masses deracinated/indoctrinated, you are turning the West brown, black & chinky. Those people who inherit the west are not going to give a fuck about Jews or the fate of Israel. They will not be vulnerable to your guilt tactics and demonizing narratives.

You guys need to think critically about your long-term strategy. You'd be much better off making real peace with whites, and reversing course on the propaganda to explain why radical progressivism and lack of ethnocentrism are suicidal ideas. I believe that whites would generally be forgiving and thankful for this, and that you would remain welcome in our countries (Ashkenazim are mostly European by blood, after all), although perhaps not as influential. Of course, Jews won't even consider this because of the psychological chips on your shoulders; despite all the influence and power, your identities are fused with a fundamental victim narrative — just like the blacks you encourage. I think it's also possible that Jews are genetically predisopsed to parasitical social strategies.

Ironically, the 'Never Again' zealotry (& a fair amount of banal opportunism) is causing Jews to fuck themselves over — possibly permanently — in the long term.

[Anonymous No.15633384]

>>15632706
> which is generally believed to held back science and shit
This is a meme, the Church was the Middle Age repository of knowledge, even Francis Bacon recognized the historical role of the Inquisition in the development of the scientific inquiry. Even the big band theory was put forth by a priest. People should really stop spreading the idea that the Catholic Church is anti-knowledge. The truth is actually close to the opposite.

[Anonymous No.15633388]

>>15627353
Why are the Jews so narcissistic? Of all the genocides and ethnic cleansings of the past, why must it be the Holocaust to be the one after which it is forbidden for a man's soul to dream of things more lofty than post-WW2 consumerism? Even if Adorno believes that the romantic spirit itself was the thing that led to nazism - questionable proposal at best - shouldn't this spirit be taken back to where it belongs, so to speak? Why let the nazis rob you not only of your relatives but your soul as well?

[Anonymous No.15633393]

>>15632288
oh and checked btw

[Anonymous No.15633404]

>>15633028
There are dozen of mass graves on the Eastern front, the DNA of the remains was analyzed pretty extensively.

[Anonymous No.15633413]

>>15633383
>turning the West brown, black & chinky

Though it's hard to deny what's going on behind the scenes, I just don't understand why Jews would want to live in a world filled by 80 IQ paki-arab-nigger mongrels. Are they dumber and easier to control? Of course, but even so, is a world of deracinated brown consumer cattle the world you'd want to rule over? I don't know, if I was one of the chosen ones, I'd much rather keep the goyim around no matter how much I hate them than to deal a blow so severe to human spirit and potential that it will possibly never recover.

[Anonymous No.15633419]

>>15632288
Jews need to realize that maybe if every time there's a little stress antisemitism comes out maybe they're the problem and they need to check their privilege.

[Anonymous No.15633420]

>>15633243
>whom to blame for misery? obama? trump?
Those two seem to have fitted the bill, although for different demographics.

[Anonymous No.15633440]

>>15633328
Like Primo Levi, which is mentionned in the very post you quote. The rollercoaster thing is a meme for people who like to be contrarian, in Europe everybody has heard of Primo Levi and nobody has heard of those rollercoaster things.

[Anonymous No.15633450]

>>15633382
I can accept criticism, you're just making assumptions here. I'm not responsible for the choice of the retarded jannies. If I wanted that comment deleted I certainly wouldn't have answered to it, use you brain for a second.

[Anonymous No.15633455]

>>15633388
> Even if Adorno believes that the romantic spirit itself was the thing that led to nazism
He actually argued it was the Enlightenment.

[Anonymous No.15633462]

>>15633450
I'm sorry, I can't accept your defensive tone as willingness to be re-educated. I'm going to have to ask you to purchase one of my seminars on deconstructing your Jewishness.

[Anonymous No.15633464]

>>15627353
Yeah, I think back to this a lot.

[Anonymous No.15633479]

>>15633462
Kek.
I actually wish those seminar existed and you could provide a link. That's be interesting for a change.

[Anonymous No.15633482]

>>15633383
if jews could think about the effects of their actions they would not have been hated by every single group they have interacted with. they all wear thick glasses, did you not know they are myopic?

[Anonymous No.15633509]

>>15632942
based

[Anonymous No.15633513]

>>15633388
CHECKED

[Anonymous No.15633523]

>>15633455
Same thing. The romantic spirit was a reaction to the Enlightenment, wasn't it?

[Anonymous No.15633535]

>>15632942
you just imagine yourself.

[Anonymous No.15633579]

The 20th century was no more, if not actually less, filled with "horrors" and the like than any other.

Tardorno was correct that "nazism" is a result of the enlightenment, but in that it was a refutation (if incorrect) refutation of the enlightenment ways of thinking.

[Anonymous No.15633652]

>>15630790
Saved.

>>15631996
Not just to the Jewish god, but to gods in general. You find holocausts in the Homeric poems, for example.

[Anonymous No.15633754]

>>15627353
Roses are red
Sunflowers are yellow
The holocaust didn't happen
My deceptive Jewish fellow

[Anonymous No.15633783]

Yes, because the endless lamentations of the worlds most specialist people of all time drowns out all other creative human expression

[Anonymous No.15633813]

>>15632639
That's because the average human animal is too stupid to tell fiction from fact when presented as a visual medium. Even plays manipulated this though the obvious stagecraft of the theater world helped bring it somewhat into focus.
People are simply too stupid, they are not evolved for modern technology, and anything they see visually in front of them, they will believe as fact.

[Anonymous No.15634178]

>>15632222
I remember it like it was yesterday, has it really been almost 100 years? damn...

[Anonymous No.15634373]

>>15627353
Fuck his Jewishness. Imagine living in a world where the Jewish slave trade is blamed on white people exclusively, without even mention of the Jews, where the Bolshevik Revolution, probably the single greatest evil ever perpetrated against humanity, is sanitized of its majority Jewish element. Hitler came about because of unfair loan and repayment terms forced on Germany following WWI. What is not publicly acknowledged is that an overwhelming number of those bankers were Jewish. Hitler only became openly anti-Semitic after the Bolsheviks tried to overthrow Germany as well. Germany did not systematically kill 6 million Jews. They wanted to expel them and until that happened they needed them out of their country’s affairs so they were put into concentration camps like the Japanese in America. Jewish mass death came about only towards the end of the war and only after German supply lines were cut. And even then a few hundred thousand were killed, mostly of starvation, not millions and millions. Jews took over the media in the West and these lies are the result of an extremely cohesive low trust people exploiting a individualistic high trust society. Keep laughing it all off, keep telling yourself I’m a schizo anti-Semite. Don’t educate yourself. Every group of people who have ever had contact with Jews has despised them. Makes sense that anyone who points out their collective evil is an jealous anti-Semite.

[Anonymous No.15634418]

>>15628105
Whenever the Jewish gaslight gets smashed they be one forced to take responsibility for their crimes against humanity which leaves a VERY unkosher taste in their mouth.

You reading this pay a Jewish tax on many foods for the Kosher stamp. Jews don’t pay for this, you do. Crazy isn’t it?

[Anonymous No.15634435]

>>15634373
Good post. Jews are children of Ahriman.

[Anonymous No.15634439]

>>15630756
No. Your people have made this event a fundamental event of the Jewish people. It has been exaggerated as much as any religious story and then coerced much of the West into accepting it as well. It really scare me as to how this all plays out.

[Anonymous No.15634444]

[Anonymous No.15634472]

>>15632423
Lol no. Jews thrive in the West, yes. But the West does not and never did need them. They however need a host to survive.

[Anonymous No.15634480]

>>15633382
SEE
>>15634418

[Anonymous No.15634486]

>>15632423
>Enjoy your no Jews and no modern physics world, and also about half of modern science.
Based. Guess the best way to end the tyranny of Industrialized Society is by getting rid of the Jew. A shame Ted Kacyznski didn't realize that.

[Anonymous No.15634548]

>>15627387
Kikes stilll kvetch about the destruction of the Temple, 1950 years after it happened. There's no way they give up the ultra lucrative Holocaust Industry after a mere century.

[Anonymous No.15634563]

>>15627461
That's true.

[Anonymous No.15634566]

>>15634472
what is wrong with you? Please be a considerate, kind, and better person.

[Anonymous No.15634583]

>>15634566
Hating Jews is a prerequisite to being a considerate, kind person. It's necessary but not sufficient.

[Anonymous No.15634587]

>>15633404
So a couple dozen grave hold 6 million bodies? Where are the bones?

[Anonymous No.15634590]

>>15627919
well i guess those coons shouldn't have been criminals then huh right?

[Anonymous No.15634593]

>>15632269
/thread

this book is a HUGE redpill on modern judaism and the "holocaust"

written by the jewish son of concentration camp survivors none the less

[Anonymous No.15634700]

>>15634583
Hate is not how you be kind.

[Anonymous No.15634757]

>>15634700
kind perish first.

[Anonymous No.15634781]

>>15632180
Suck my dick.

[Anonymous No.15635082]

>>15634757
Quite a little back and forth you two fags are having

[Anonymous No.15635948]

>>15632280

[Anonymous No.15635988]

>>15628263
Dangerously underappreciated reply.

[Anonymous No.15635996]

>>15627353
Auschwitz was poetry.

[Anonymous No.15636033]

>>15627353
Disagree
t. poet

[Anonymous No.15636040]

>>15627353
The extent of human cruelty would be obvious even without Auschwitz. I don't see why this specific genocide should color all future poetry.

[Anonymous No.15636044]

>>15627353
I assume the holocaust never happened. Not because I've examined the data but because they've outlawed me questioning it.

[Anonymous No.15636379]

>>15627387
>The Holocaust is going to fade into the history books whether people like it or not.
It shall never fade from people's memory because it's the single most inhumane thing humanity has ever committed in its bloody history and is the event that set the whole world into a deep existential crisis.

[Anonymous No.15636408]

>>15627353
Utterly meaningless bromide and yet another example of the Jewish tendency towards masochistic autofellatio.

[Anonymous No.15636617]

>>15631907
Now winter passes
where is my foreskin
ash in the Aushwitz

[Anonymous No.15636654]

>>15632180
>Cruelest event in history
Ok Shlomo maybe open a history book before exalting your misery
>>15627353
Of course not who cares about Auschwitz except Jews and how is it connected to poetry in general

[Anonymous No.15636665]

>>15627353
>the Holocaust was the only genocide in the history of man

Yeah, I'm gonna say it's a pretty dumb idea.

[Anonymous No.15636675]

>>15636379
what about communism and dictatorships, those had higher body counts and were also promoted by volatile political tensions.

[Anonymous No.15636717]

>>15627353
As an Irishman, there's no poetry after the Great English Genocide aka the Potato Famine.
Except Yeats. He's not bad.

[Anonymous No.15636838]

>>15636717
You are trivializing the Holocaust.

[Anonymous No.15637031]

>>15636717
You are trivialising the Man-Made Irish Famine. It was a genocide by the English, and the Irish population has not recovered to pre-famine levels TO THIS DAY 160 years later.

I will give attention to the Jewish Holocaust when this has been addressed with as much attention as the Jews get.

[Anonymous No.15637034]

>>15636838
meant (You)

[Anonymous No.15637204]

>>15631487
I went to Auschwitz. Yes the living conditions were horrid and all that, but it honestly seemed like a prison rather than an extermination camp. The “gas chamber” where we weren’t allowed to take pictures didn’t seem like something capable of murdering a million Jews. It was literally just a tiny room that looked like a shower. You could fit probably about 20 people in at most.

[Anonymous No.15637207]

>>15637031
You cannot seriously be demanding that an unfortunate famine requires as much attention as the most uniquely horrific event in cosmological history. Even if it was an intentional famine (big if), it is not comparable to the Holocaust, for something unique is incomparable.

[Anonymous No.15637260]

>>15636379
>single most inhumane thing humanity has ever committed in its bloody history
retarded and historically illiterate

[Anonymous No.15637325]

>>15637204
why extermination requires a camp? stalin and hitler had to deal with people not fit for the job or army. when a business, an enterprise does not need a worker it just fires him, and takes no responsibility for him. how does a country, a state fire a million of obsolete people? there's absolutely nothing wrong with "genocides".

[Anonymous No.15637551]

>>15636379
>it's the single most inhumane thing humanity has ever committed in its bloody history
Have you read about the Assyrians bro? for fucks sake Jews had it easy compared to their conquered. WAY WAY easier.

[Anonymous No.15637606]

lol adorno just meant that there can be no poetry after auschwitz similar to the poety before it, i.e. every poem has to somehow reflect (ideally through its form) the reality of the holocaust. so chill out u antisemitic retards

[Anonymous No.15637616]

>>15637204
please please please kys

[Anonymous No.15637637]

>>15632180
>but I'm pretty sure it was the cruelest event in history
The cruelest event in history is jews convincing the west that their suffering is above anyone's else

[Anonymous No.15637639]

>>15627353
ww2 is mythological representation for post-christian world. modern humanism is just christianity taken into new forms fused with postmodernism and neo-marxism. the new religion is founded on exterminating all order to replace with nothingness and the only objective for a being in this new religion is try and virtue signal harder than the others its a competition to be the greatest victim and opressed to be the one accepted by god. all whites are the satan figure e.g. Hitler is the WHITE MALE satan figure that represents al lWHITE MALES and Nazism is the LARP format for everything bad = order, society, nuclear family, children, living space, dreams, architecture, military, friends, relationships, etc.

so all of these must go in order to appease the great SIN of all humanity that lives within this new religion. the hallmark is that theres no escaping it because its a massive annihilation cult worse than what the christians did when they destroyed Rome because at least Rome still has scripts and ruins but the technological era makes it possibel to totally revise and eliminate history depending on the situation.

[Anonymous No.15637655]

>>15637639
modern humanity exists only to virtue signal higher than the others while at the same time give into completely to either full consumer culture or on the other hand total rejection of all order and structure. because everything based in order = systematic oppression of some kind then order itself must be toppled. WW2 serves as the mythology in which to ground this religion with the holocaust serving as a kind of "New Testatment" to its followers showing them that the rationality and order leads directly to Jews dying and Jews must be preserve,d protected, and worshipped

[Anonymous No.15637660]

>>15627546

only blacks were never paid reparations and segregation is literally more recent than the holocaust. jews actually HAVE been paid reparations and continue to do so to this day, also slavery's effects are felt to this day while basically no jew is adversely affected by the holocaust today

[Anonymous No.15637665]

>>15637655
the greatest sin you can be is a white man with a white wife and at least 3 white children. if you fall into this category you are the reprsentation of some kind of modern demon. jewish pornographers started a trend on porn websites to show that any white + white sex = incest the idea is to demonize it completely because the new relgiion thinks that annihilating all identity while promoting purely sexual ones will "liberate" the soul of mankind and transcend them to some kind of new height

im going to go drink a budweiser

[Anonymous No.15637666]

>>15627387
Huh? You will never hear the end of the 100 year "anniversary" of the holocaust. In the 5 years leading up to it, you will keep reading about holocaust museums getting renovated etc. and the 5 years after every article about racism and whatnot will mention "the holocaust was over 100 years ago and we still haven't learned".

[Anonymous No.15637708]

so by being anti-semitic you want to prove that we somehow don't need to remind people of the dangers on antisemitism anymore?
nice logic!

[Anonymous No.15637711]

>>15627378
Things got really bad after they shut down the camp brothel and swimming pool due to the typhus outbreak and food shortage caused by the allies.

[Anonymous No.15637725]

>>15637204
As much as I hate stormfags, I agree. The official holocaust story is really shady

[Anonymous No.15637739]

>>15637725
lol it is literally the best documented and well researched event in history you fucking retard. there is nothing unclear or shady or ambigous about it. so please understand this and kys

[Anonymous No.15637748]

>>15637725
>Putting identification numbers on people marked for extermination in a few hours
>Hundreds of thousand of "death camp" survivors
>Work will set you free on the front sign post
>Hospitals in a death camp
>Soccer teams in a death camp

They were labor camps.

[Anonymous No.15637787]

guys, reminder:

history is not a science, but propaganda.

[Anonymous No.15637798]

>>15627453
this makes more sense, more interesting

[Anonymous No.15637807]

>>15627353
This statement is a form of systemic semitism. It has to be called out.
We're not going to have a healthy self-image until systemic semitism is destroyed

[Anonymous No.15637820]

>>15630467
Reject all forms of semitism!

[Anonymous No.15637824]

>>15637820
ALERTA ALERTA ANTIFASCISTA!!!!ALERTA ALERTA ANTIFASCISTA!!!

ALERTA!!! LAERTA!!! ANTIFASCIATA!!! ALERTA!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.15637827]

>>15633813
This. You can read Robert Cialdini's Influence, which is basically a masterpiece in non-fiction marketing books. There are countless examples of people shooting the messenger or not able to distinguish fact from fiction. Weather forecasters get death threats because people think they cause the bad weather rather than predict it. People talk to famous actors irl as if they are their personages.

[Anonymous No.15637842]

>>15637725
fucking nazi incel kkk no nazi usa fucking nazi incel kkk no fascist usa.

[Anonymous No.15637859]

>>15637824
me no habla beanarol

[Anonymous No.15637865]

>>15637325
nazi racist fascist killer nazi racst fascist killer post your dox and suck the JOB

[Anonymous No.15637938]

>>15634587
A couple graves? Can you even read. Scores of mass graves scattered over the entire Eastern front. And it's not 6 millions, it's at best 3 millions, the rest was in the camps and in Western Europe. As for the bones, what do you think? They're in the graves obviously.

I'm sure you have no problem the Katyn massacre happened, so why would you doubt that mass graves can exist?

[Anonymous No.15638049]

Jew trying to mythologise something already mythologised to profit off it forever. Imagine how everyone would love Jews if they were actually just unjustly treated and otherwise great people. If they didn't push ridiculous shit like this no one would think 'damn, Jews suck'.

[Anonymous No.15638231]

>>15637824
Hasta la vista Sionista

[Anonymous No.15638401]

>>15627387

[Anonymous No.15638426]

>>15627353
Heaven brings forth innumerable things to nurture man.
Man has nothing good with which to recompense Heaven.
Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill.

[Anonymous No.15639237]

>>15632288
Jews had a reputation as a seditious element long before the Holocaust, and it is the reason they were interned in the first place. Instead of examining why, you resort to hysterical faux-history that paints you 100% as the victim.
>109 times

[Anonymous No.15639709]

He obviously means all western thought (philosophy, poetry etc) led to the nazis and so creating more would just be continuing the same tradition that led to that stuff

[Anonymous No.15639719]

>>15627387
Adorno said this in the 50s. I barely see anyone talking about it now aside from schizo /pol/ posters

[Anonymous No.15639739]

>>15638401
Almost as if the deniers are arguing in bad faith because they are anti-semitic

[Anonymous No.15639885]

>>15637739
>there is nothing unclear or shady or ambigous about it.
Besides its intent.

[Anonymous No.15639889]

>>15639739
You think Adorno was making some carefully considered sober statement when he characterized the Holocaust as this unique mythological event? Nanking was going on in the exact same timeframe, for one.

The weakness of the human capacity for reason is precisely why you *can't* disregard denier arguments as dishonest. Because when some guy like Carlos Porter brings up all the literal fabricated evidence used to create the modern historical narrative surrounding the Holocaust, you're forced to confront that *all* arguments are made in bad faith. The Holocaust as digested by your average high school student is bedrock modern identity. Denying it is as heretical as denying Jesus existed.

[Anonymous No.15639899]

We have had organized systematic genocides since at least the neolithic and yet there has been plenty of poetry since then. The holocaust is nothing special.

[Anonymous No.15639927]

>>15639899
Probably the only thing that's special about it is that it happened during one of the periods in history where humanity was at its most sensitive and liberal. Despite not being any worse than past genocides, it was more traumatizing as a result.

[Anonymous No.15639936]

>>15639889
It just so happens that everyone who denies it is a neo-nazi. Curious huh

[Anonymous No.15640042]

>>15639936
Or a Palestinian, as is more often the case.
Crazy how Nazi ideology was able to get so deeply rooted in that part of the world.

[Anonymous No.15640092]

>>15627387
>fade from the history books
Nah
>becomes the historical event that it is instead of still being considered a fresh wound
Yeah, but probably will take more than 100 years.

[Anonymous No.15640485]

>>15636654
The connection to poetry isn't because it was the worst thing that's happened or anything like that, it was because it was carried out in explicit, well-documented detail by a society believed to be subject to all of the "civilizing forces of culture." The same men who heard Furtwangler conduct heard Jews screaming from railway cars on their way to the camps. If you look to the arts and humanities for any sort of moral guidance, the holocaust should be cause for you to worry. Also, I mention that it was well-documented because not only did the men do terrible things, they were capable of writing it out in detail, so they were highly conscious of what they were doing, and they kept doing it.

[Anonymous No.15640599]

>>15639936
Fringe ideas attract fringe people. The narrative surrounding this stuff is maintained through intimidation and propaganda, not reason. Only extremists question such narratives because everyone else has a vested interest in not losing their job and friends.

[Anonymous No.15640623]

Threads like this are why Google has to, reluctantly, impose censorship. The First Amendment doesn't give you license to post hate speech.

[Anonymous No.15640733]

>>15627353
>Prior to the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the archival revelations, some historians estimated that the numbers killed by Stalin's regime were 20 million or higher.
Why people never talk about real "mass killing" or never feel sad about those events? Not a poltard but it honestly just propaganda to support minorities.

[Anonymous No.15640889]

>>15632180
You do realise there have been prisoners of war for millennia. Jews aren't they only ones who suffered like this. Americans sufffered more in the Vietnamese war as prisoner than Jews ever did. What makes Jews evil is the fact they make a profit out if their suffering that happened 80 years ago

[Anonymous No.15640925]

>>15637827
Agreed.
If you want to know why our rulers despise us so, imagine seeing so many people who are so quick to believe the smallest suggestion, to the point where they will willingly kill themselves for some morality or ideology that they need to socially ingratiate themselves. Is it any wonder that our rulers treat us with such contempt and could not care less for the fate of our people? Those of us who can see the forest for the trees only represent potential competitors to the throne.

[Anonymous No.15640933]

Did Adorno just hate fun or something?

[Anonymous No.15641013]

To understand the Holocaust in collective memory you have to understand that devout Jewish people still commemorate a war with the Macedonian-Syrians from the BC days

[Anonymous No.15641017]

>>15636379
>It shall never fade from people's memory because it's the single most inhumane thing humanity has ever committed in its bloody history
You're talking about the livestock industry right?

[Anonymous No.15641023]

>>15637739
>best documented and well researched event
>denial is a criminal offense
Sounds like very objective and trustworthy research. If impartial investigations were allowed to be carried out without judicial interference the case would be much stronger.

[Anonymous No.15641035]

>>15641013

Jews still have personal beef with the fucking Romans for the fall of Jerusalem, the reason they have such an issue with the name ''Palestine'' is because it was the name the Romans called the province. Their ''collective memory'' is far longer and they have a lot of attachment to historical events.

This isn't unique to Jews btw, Serbs are the same regarding battles against the Ottomon empire like seven hundred years ago.

[Anonymous No.15641081]

>>15627353
i kill jews
it breaks the news
feels good
they are food

done lmao

[Anonymous No.15641089]

>>15637725
Holocaust denial =/= Nazi cock sucking, race supremacy, or anti-Semitism. Pure Holocaust denial is a desire for the truth to be reported free from distortion and manipulation. One can believe the Nazi ideology was extremist and abhorrent and also believe the Holocaust narrative contains misinformation. I honestly sympathize with modern Jews. They are raised with the Holocaust religion and denying it is akin to breaking with your ancestors and your own identity/history. Modern Jews didn't ask to be indoctrinated with a lie and instructed to defend it at all costs.

[Anonymous No.15641100]

>>15640933
Have you heard his music?

[Anonymous No.15641109]

>>15641100

yeah i actually really liked it

[Anonymous No.15641119]

>>15641035
A few hundred years from now when Germany is all Turkish we can commemorate Kosovo and Auschwitz on the same day

[Anonymous No.15641122]

>>15641035
>>15641119
Cut us some slack it's our only interesting battle so we have to pretend it was just like Thermopylae

[Anonymous No.15641138]

>>15627353
This guy was a hack who thought that fascists could be identified by horoscope tier personality bogeyman bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15641139]

>>15640623
censorship is only necessary for despots. the truth is on your side, so you have nothing to fear.

[Anonymous No.15641151]

>>15627353
He revoked this statement in the Negative Dialectics though.

[Anonymous No.15641190]

>>15641023
>>15641089
There are also laws against Armenian Genocide denial in countries near where the Armenian Genocide occurred. Is it fake too?

[Anonymous No.15641203]

>>15641138

yet he was right about that and this website continues to be proof of that

[Anonymous No.15641523]

>>15641203
Fascism doesn't even mean anything anymore. I really doubt even self-described fascists could articulate what the fascist state of Italy was all about.

[Anonymous No.15641536]

Oh look it's this thread again
Cant be bothered to read and see if the full quote has been posted, or the context attempted to be understood