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15726092 No.15726092 [Reply] [Original]

>Never studied literature or philosophy formally
>Went to some technical military engineering university instead
How did he do it?

>> No.15726109

He read books instead of posting on 4chan.

>> No.15726139

>>15726092
He experienced it.

>> No.15726147

>>15726092
That explains why he never contributed to literature or philosophy.

>> No.15726498

>>15726092
The same way Homer wrote the Iliad without reading a book, or the same way Socrates began the Western philosophical tradition

>> No.15726530

>>15726498
Socrates didn't really start it, he just drastically changed the tone of the conversation.

>> No.15726565

I apologize for starting to philosophize. 40 years underground...

>> No.15726571

>>15726092
big balls

>> No.15726584

>>15726092
the same way most great writers did it?

>> No.15726860

>>15726584
Oscar Wilde, Nabokov, James Joyce and many others studied literature in university

>> No.15726878

>>15726092
Just think about living in a time when there is no Internet, and no television.

>> No.15726894

>>15726092
His works do lack style though, and most of the things people give him credit for are a matter of talent

>> No.15726917

>>15726894
>do lack style
Is this bad?

>> No.15726984

>>15726917
Yes, it makes his works less expressive in a subtle way.

>> No.15726987

>>15726092
Who did the first philosophers read?

>> No.15726994

>>15726984
It actually depends of the translation...
I'd like to discuss with someone who read the original books in russian language..

>> No.15726996

>>15726894
Have you read him in Russian? Dostoievsky absolutely has a style, though it's unpalatable to many.

>> No.15727008

>>15726994
>>15726996
I guess it's retardation on my behalf but I meant "style" as stylistics, not style as distinctive features of his writing manner. And yes, I did read him in Russian.

>> No.15727209

>>15726147
How spooky, academicuck.

>> No.15727213

>>15727008
In that sense yes, you can say Dostoievsky doesn't have a style, but given how peculiar his writing his, you have to admit it's either personal idiosyncrasy or an attempt at writing in unconventional prose. In either case it's not run-of-the-mill writing (that last qualifier would apply for someone like, say, Houellebecq in French).

>> No.15727243

He didn't go to literature school, he went to literature.

>> No.15727248

>>15726996
>>15727008
>У тeбя, гoвopит, cлoг мeняeтcя, pyблeный. Pyбишь, pyбишь -- и ввoднoe пpeдлoжeниe, пoтoм к ввoднoмy eщe ввoднoe, пoтoм в cкoбкaх eщe чтo-нибyдь вcтaвишь, a пoтoм oпять зapyбишь, зapyбишь..."

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>>15727243

>> No.15727322

>>15727008
What do you mean by "stylistics"?

>> No.15727350

>you need to study how to write words

LMAO at you talentless cretins

>> No.15727942

>>15726147
edgyboi

>> No.15728020

I've heard that Dostoevsky's writing style, in Russian, is kind of "bad," and that his prose is not "artful." In my opinion, this is what makes him even more compelling as an author, because it shows that it's his stories that are making his stories good, not the prose. His descriptions of people, their lives, and the subsequent unification of their lives with a universal that each reader can bond with and take something from, or see themselves in: something that doesn't need "prose" to be communicated, but can be done with intent, rather than technique. Or at least that's how I romanticize it.

Is Dostoevsky's prose considered "unartful" in Russian?

>> No.15728040

>>15726894
I kinda agree desu. Its nice to listen too, but the prose isnt that dynamic. though he has a great understanding of how people talk and the small parts of social interaction.

>> No.15728051

>>15728020
>Is Dostoevsky's prose considered "unartful" in Russian?

Not particularly compared to other Russian writers, Russian Golden Age literature was based more on dialogue and character deepening than on embellishing the style.

a good take yours, for Dostoevsky the plot was a means of transmitting his personal ideas, for realists such as Tolstoy for example, the plot was the purpose of the story

>> No.15728158

>>15726092
He's a creative genius. Sheakspeare's identity has been questioned since 19th century, Oxford twats could not understand how someone who didn't go to university could write such art. You can't learn creative genius and seething intellectuals who can't create shit just bull shit there philosophy is important.

This board is full of intellectuals who won't ever create shit so they rage and try and make you believe there philosophy is impressive, remember scholars and writers form two groups, there is overlap Elliot, Joyce (did language.), Borges definitely a scholar first.

Cortarzar's novella The persuer touches on this, a intellectual critic following a jazz musician who seems stupid but puts out the most amazing music.

>> No.15728175

>>15726860
just imagine the other tens of thousands who studied (including you nigga) it and didn't contribute shit

>> No.15728185

>>15726530
the based sophists started it
socrates was just a psued faggot

>> No.15728201

>>15728175
Based

>> No.15728212

Dostoevsky has a style that is very much based on folk life and the sort of stories you would hear from people around your village back in the day.

He had such an interesting perspective because he was in Siberia for so long with people who nearly the exact opposite of his temperament.

>> No.15728213

>>15726498
>Homer
>wrote

>> No.15728216

>>15726987
They didn't read, first of all.

>> No.15729789

>>15726092
He didn't go to book school he went to books

>> No.15729831

>>15726092
Studying philosophy is a waste of time. Obviously Rasputin wrote about real encounters he'd had with women in the dark of the night.

>> No.15729837

>>15726987
Yep. So much this. Where were their credentials?

>> No.15730732

>>15728213
Yes Homer was the first to transcribe the oral tradition into the written word, what's your point retard