/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15745171]

I’m extremely socially progressive, but economically right wing. What political books would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.15745174]

>>15745171
White Fragility

[Anonymous No.15745180]

>>15745171
I think a coloring book would be the right fit for you, champ

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.15745188]

You’re a neo-classical liberal. You can’t honestly be a classical liberal anymore because we k ow too much about capitalism and how shit it is. Your idealism blinds you to these facts.
“Socially progressive” in you case is usually code for your wanting the age of consent dropped.
So Lolita, I guess.

[Anonymous No.15745198]

>>15745171
Ayn Rand
Free Yourself retard

[Anonymous No.15745201]

>>15745188
Lolita’s too good, fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.15745203]

>>15745171
the global bell curve by richard lynn, especially the section on southeast asia
https://www.unz.com/book/richard_lynn__the-global-bell-curve/

[Anonymous No.15745211]

>>15745171
Give "The Fountainhead" a try. Its a good intro to Rand.

[Anonymous No.15745212]

>>15745171
Sneeg

[Anonymous No.15745222]

>>15745171
the Clintons collected speeches

[Anonymous No.15745227]

Jacques Barzun

[Anonymous No.15745230]

>>15745188
Shut the fuck up tranny

[Anonymous No.15745255]

>>15745171
Obviously something that challenges those views. Try Joseph de Maistre.

[Anonymous No.15745260]

>>15745188
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.15745275]

Perhaps you should expose yourself to the exact opposite of your worldview, so read Plato’s Republic and Laws.

[Anonymous No.15745283]

top 3 recs:
the very hungry caterpillar
the rainbow fish
brown bear, brown bear, what do you see

by the sounds of it these may be a bit above your level but i would encourage you to challenge yourself

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.15745297]

>>15745201
I don’t get it. What’s wrong?

>>15745255
Why do you sniff the turds of the past. Why is regressiveness something people should consider? We have rule of the elites now.

[Anonymous No.15745304]

>>15745188
I genuinely, unironically think you’re a bad person.

[Anonymous No.15745311]

>>15745297
Because in order to know the present, we must know the past. Of course, a tranny dyke such ha yourself has no understanding of history.

[Anonymous No.15745312]

>>15745297
I feel authentic, guttural disdain welling up within me whenever I see you, you cunt.

[Anonymous No.15745316]

>>15745297
Just imagine
you come home from work, a rough day. you hang up your coat and in slinks butterfly, on all fours as she has been all day, caked on make up falling off in bits.
"anon, I need..."
she turns her wide rump to you, pointed up into your face. even clothed it reeks.
"I need..."
she's sweating, and clouds of red collect anywhere her pasty, fishlike skin can be seen. you already know what she needs.
"pls anon"
either she drops her pants or they fall on their own, knowing what must happen. begrudgingly you remove your cock, erect out of a sense of duty more than anything else.
chubby fingers spread the ponderous cheeks, a yellow tinged string of some fluid webs between them, coyly hiding your goal. like the mouth of a hungry baby bird, her anus beckons to you.
you insert your glans and she begins moaning-- not wholly in pleasure-- and you can feel kernels of corn and other detritus grazing your urethra.
faster. harder. can't let it escape. if you pull out now, you'll just have to start over.
you coax the brown beast as butterfly moans louder, squeezing her sagged breasts in vain. just a little more. fingers clenching ass cheeks. minute farts escaping around your shaft. she's muttering something now, but you're. almost.
pushed out by a tidal wave of warm, viscous diarrhea. dangling, stained cock a witness to the tsunami of what once was a family sized portion of El Pollo Loco and drinkable yogurt. she's cumming, rubbing her vagina angrily-- but this is no vaginal orgasm: it is a pleasurable relief centered in the bowels, the fresh snow after an avalanche.
shit continues to pour, now only liquid, from her quivering anus. she thanks you
"thank you anon" *fart* "oh, thank you so much"
still on hands and knees, she leaves the way she came, leaving shitty cursive all over the wood floor. you proceed to the sink. in the other room you can hear the unmistakable sounds of a keyboard clacking.

[Anonymous No.15745332]

>>15745316
basado

[Anonymous No.15745338]

>>15745316
how did the butterfly shit meme start up again?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.15745347]

>>15745311
I’ve been reading history since before I started reading science fiction.
>>15745338
One guy forcing it.

[Anonymous No.15745353]

>>15745347
shut up whore I would rather give up reading than listen to a single thing you have to say

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.15745359]

>>15745353
You contribute less than nothing. Shut up

[Anonymous No.15745363]

>>15745347
Clearly, you need to start over with the Greeks.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.15745376]

>>15745363
What in particular? I have quite a few with me already

[Anonymous No.15745389]

Wait, I have a few questions.
>Is Butterfly not using a trip anymore?
>Where did those photos of Butterfly come from?
>How long has she been here?
>Where did people find out her history?

[Anonymous No.15745394]

>>15745174
>>15745188
These. White Fragility and Lolita. Although, Lolita is actually good literature. So maybe White Fragility and Peter Sotos.

[Anonymous No.15745405]

>>15745304
Blow your fucking brains out, you sick sack of shit. What you've been doing to children is sickening and wrong. Do it now.

[Anonymous No.15745407]

>>15745203
Whats the part about southeast asia about?

[Anonymous No.15745410]

>>15745376
The Homeric epics, the hymns, the playwrights, the philosophers, and historical accounts. It doesn't matter which area you start in as long as you read all of them and in chronological order, hon.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.15745444]

>>15745389
I have a trip. I don’t really like them.
From me. The board was a lot nicer back then, but I should have never posted them, I know.
About ten years I guess. On and off. It’s like confessing that you watch tv for ten years, or have played video games for ten years.
I’ve told little details here and there.

>>15745410
I started with the Odyssey. Loved it. Will get around to the Iliad someday. Read an in depth book on the Hymn to Demeter. Really good stuff. Know surfacey stuff on all the philosophers. Epicureanism is correct. All else are lacking.
I have both Herodotus and Thucydides editions from Landmark, poke in every now and then, but I have much reading to do.

[Anonymous No.15745475]

>>15745444
Nice trips. How was old /lit/ compared to today?

[Anonymous No.15745488]

>>15745405
what?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.15745501]

>>15745475
Same trolling, but muted. Ayn Rand posting was bannable. Lots of trips to recognize and ignore if you wanted to. Lots more college kids trying to out-scholar each other. A slower board. A bit elitist, but at least it was on topic.

[Anonymous No.15745518]

>>15745444
>will get around to the Iliad someday
Did you receive a high-school education?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.15745529]

>>15745518
Why?

[Anonymous No.15745533]

imagine being the worst of both worlds lmao

[Anonymous No.15745563]

>>15745171
libertarian based books

[Anonymous No.15745572]

>>15745529
Because The Iliad is typically taught in high school, goober.

[Anonymous No.15745583]

I'm the opposite

[Anonymous No.15745589]

>>15745572
Certainly not it mine. At its most literary we read Hamlet.

[Anonymous No.15745592]

>>15745572
Maybe in the first world, but not here in America.

[Anonymous No.15745593]

>>15745171
I'm socially far-right and don't give a shit about economics beyond fuck banks, corporations, and globalism

[Anonymous No.15745616]

>>15745592
>>15745589
Wow. I went to one of the lowest-ranked school districts in America (Puerto Rico and Alabama soared above us), and I reached majority knowing who Achilles was and why he didn’t leave his tent.
Fucking unreal.

[Anonymous No.15745626]

>>15745593
In other words, you're a leftist.

[Anonymous No.15745641]

>>15745616
But can you solve a triple integral?

[Anonymous No.15745645]

>>15745626
>socially far-right

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.15745647]

>>15745593
>don't give a shit about economics beyond fuck banks, corporations, and globalism
Then you’ll like non-market socialism (anarchist, not Leninism)

[Anonymous No.15745649]

>>15745533
Peasant mentality with their "keeping your wife on a short leash" as a coping mechanism for being bossed around by their overlords is still going strong.

[Anonymous No.15745654]

>>15745641
No, but I can maybe figure out a single integral. I’m a product of my environment, sue me.

[Anonymous No.15745676]

>>15745645
Social issues have nothing to do with politics. It's like saying you're a rightwinger when it comes to ice cream flavors.

[Anonymous No.15745695]

>Social issues have nothing to do with politics.

[Anonymous No.15745700]

>>15745676
You’re right. The dissolution of the family has had no influence on politics. I’m a huge gay faggot, please rape my face.

[Anonymous No.15745718]

>>15745700
>The dissolution of the family has had no influence on politics.
That's a consequence of capitalism. Unless there are troops physically breaking up your family as a matter of law, it's a cultural issue not a political issue.

[Anonymous No.15745744]

>>15745718
Of course there aren't any special interest groups pushing agendas. Let’s not get conspiratorial here.

[Anonymous No.15745747]

>>15745718
Right. And a socially conservative retort to capitalist reterritorialization could have been a meaningful political counterforce. Fuck yourself and your attempts to divorce politics from culture, retard.

[Anonymous No.15745765]

>>15745695
You're the kind of dumbfuck who voted for Trump thinking it would eliminate all the SJWism and Idpol in our culture, aren't you? How'd that work out for you? Are you enjoying "clown world"? Unless you're among the 0.01% who benefited from the tax cut in *real* terms, you have achieved nothing. Real politics is economics; the rest is campaign horseshit.

[Anonymous No.15745775]

>>15745765
Calm your tits. I don't even vote lmao.

[Anonymous No.15745777]

>socially progressive, but economically right wing
read: how to acquire a brain

[Anonymous No.15745783]

>>15745765
“Clown world” existed in 2003. Saw it with my own two eyes. REMEMBER BUSH?
But no, I didn’t vote, you big fag.

[Anonymous No.15745785]

>>15745744
Those agendas are implemented by capitalists -- specifically, the corporate media industry, AKA Hollywood. You don't vote for culture czar, asshat.

>>15745747
No idea what you're trying to communicate.

[Anonymous No.15745799]

>>15745785
Then become literate (it’ll take time and effort), come back, and contribute.

[Anonymous No.15745801]

>>15745188
>You can’t honestly be a classical liberal anymore because we k ow too much about capitalism and how shit it is
Retard alert, if he's benefiting from the economic status quo, of course he would be a classic liberal. You can't even into basic Marxism.

[Anonymous No.15745802]

>>15745783
>“Clown world” existed in 2003
Thank the Lord we have overcome that insanity now that we're being ruled by a level-headed leader like Trump in 2020.

[Anonymous No.15745814]

>>15745171
>soc progressive
>econ right wing
these two are nearly incompatible lol

[Anonymous No.15745821]

>>15745171
Anything by Hayek or John Stuart Mill. However, I would also like to note that I consider you a gay nigger retard.

[Anonymous No.15745826]

>>15745785
You think the media, industry, and political circus are independent bodies? Its all the same elaborate system.

[Anonymous No.15745827]

>>15745814
Not at all, capitalism is perfect for destroying old ways of life, nothing else even comes close for that.

[Anonymous No.15745829]

>>15745676
freaking epic

[Anonymous No.15745840]

>>15745826
>Its all the same elaborate system.
Of course it is. But you can't vote out the CEOs of Disney and ATT. That's the whole problem that socialism addresses.

[Anonymous No.15745844]

>>15745829
Back to plebbit, mouthbreather.

[Anonymous No.15745845]

>>15745695
Is this real?

[Anonymous No.15745848]

>>15745180
Nice

[Anonymous No.15745852]

>>15745814
It's called liberal capitalism, my dude, and it's the ideology of the ruling class.

[Anonymous No.15745856]

>>15745814
How so? Have you seen all the gay flags and BLM support from every major corporation this past month?

[Anonymous No.15745878]

>>15745840
Literally every socialist party supports open borders, feminism, and nigga shit, as well as usually being economically illiterate. Until a decent third-position movement opens takes foot, I will remain apolitical.

[Anonymous No.15745901]

>>15745802
Where’s the guy who salted the genetic fields of Iraq with depleted uranium on the basis of a lie about Weapons of Mass Destruction stand on Trump? On the same side? Powell’s cool with him? Fuck yourself with a claw hammer.

[Anonymous No.15745905]

>>15745844
seethe

[Anonymous No.15745913]

>>15745878
Get out of your online bubble, anon. You are the victim of a psyop.

[Anonymous No.15745920]

>>15745901
What?

[Anonymous No.15745923]

>>15745913
Take your smugness elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.15745924]

>>15745920
Read it over again, retard. Pay attention.

[Anonymous No.15745928]

>>15745924
Reread the thread. You are confused.

[Anonymous No.15745933]

>>15745878
That's because capitalism has completely subverted left opposition to it. That has nothing to do with socialism as a theory or in practice when it existed in the Soviet Union.

[Anonymous No.15745935]

>>15745913
>muh russia

[Anonymous No.15745940]

>>15745935
Wow, you are even more brainwashed that I thought.

[Anonymous No.15745967]

>>15745933
Communism in Russia was more traditionalist because Stalin fucking murdered 2/3 of the Bolshevik subversives. The leftist movements in the west were much more socially progressive. Also, communism is fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.15745971]

>>15745171
get off my lit, libshit

[Anonymous No.15745979]

>>15745940
not an argument

[Anonymous No.15745989]

>>15745928
I’ll walk you through it. Colin Powell stood up for George W. Bush’s disastrous and genocidal invasion of Iraq. He was the epitome of fuck-headed mismanagement and dishonesty prior to 2016. He’s now disavowing Trump, and everyone’s calling him a paragon of civic virtue. Understanding now? Or do you need me to sit you down over a Zoom meeting and explain it in depth?

[Anonymous No.15745990]

>>15745979
You literally just said "muh russia" as a response against a socialist. I'm pretty sure your opponent isn't the one who needs to provide an "argument".

[Anonymous No.15745998]

>>15745940
Line up one contemporary socialist party who’s anti-immigration, please.

[Anonymous No.15745999]

>>15745990
I meant russian propagandists.

[Anonymous No.15746001]

>>15745967
Nope, you have a complete misunderstanding of it. Stalin was just continuing where Lenin left off. Lenin was anti-religious but objected to ideas of free love, abstract art, prostitution, etc. The Socialist Realism art style started under him. The only reason why he 'legalized' things like homosexuality is because he abolished all Tsarist laws, which included bans on things like that. You'll find similar patterns in China, Cuba, etc. Communism in the West has always been chuck full of liberals and anarchists, who get divorced from the material base of Marxism.

[Anonymous No.15746017]

>>15745989
>I’ll walk you through it. Colin Powell stood up for George W. Bush’s disastrous and genocidal invasion of Iraq. He was the epitome of fuck-headed mismanagement and dishonesty prior to 2016. He’s now disavowing Trump, and everyone’s calling him a paragon of civic virtue.
No shit, Sherlock. How does any of that common knowledge relate to the thread of discussion you were attempting to participate in?

>Understanding now?
I understand that you are clinically retarded, and that you are completely clueless about the point you were attempting to respond to. Yes.

[Anonymous No.15746022]

>>15746001
>China
Didn’t they burn books and outlaw cultural holidays and shit?

[Anonymous No.15746045]

>>15746022
Yes, and Lenin/Stalin did the same, but they didn't do the socially progressive things you see in the West today.

[Anonymous No.15746054]

>>15746017
Colin Powell is a respected authority who sneaked us into genocide in 2003 on behalf of the Mongoloid-in-Chief. Insane, one might say clownish.
He’s now against Trump? Where does that place Trump?

Himmler goes against Carter, and that makes Carter a fascist. Cool.

[Anonymous No.15746058]

>>15746045
Yes but china was a special case where they actually went out of their way’s to erase everything “chinese” as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.15746064]

>>15746054
Have you been drinking?

[Anonymous No.15746107]

>>15746064
Yes. But let’s not be fags, this country was founded on drunk discussions. I made the point that clown-world has existed as long as the Bush administration.
Virtually every member of that authoritarian clusterfuck, including the Prime Retard himself, has come out against Trump.
So...?
Read the Carter thing again. Really think on it.

[Anonymous No.15746185]

>>15746064
Eat shit.

[Anonymous No.15746197]

>>15746107
One fuck up disavowing another fuck up doesn't diminish the fact that both are fuck ups.

[Anonymous No.15746217]

>>15746197
Righto. But only one fuckup’s existence proves my initial assertion that American politics has been retarded for most of the 21st century, you news-addicted goober.

[Anonymous No.15746232]

>>15746107
>Yes. But let’s not be fags, this country was founded on drunk discussions.
I don't have a problem with it, but you are completely misunderstanding the point being made.

>I made the point that clown-world has existed as long as the Bush administration. Virtually every member of that authoritarian clusterfuck, including the Prime Retard himself, has come out against Trump.
That's all well and good, and I would agree with you that the Bush regime was orders of magnitude more evil than the current Trump regime (so far, anyway). But none of this has anything to do with the point I made.

My singular point was: voting for politicians based on social/cultural issues is retarded. Once in office, what politicians can do is confined to the material realm (as dictated by their donors, normally). Cultural issues are ultimately in the hands of Hollywood and other private corporate powers.

Case at issue: /pol/ zoomers literally thought voting for Trump would move the needle in a positive direction in the culture war. Now compare where we are in 2020 versus where we where in 2016, culture wise. Is it an improvement? Of course not. Where the needle has actually moved is only in the economic realm -- and in the wrong direction. As a result of the policies adopted in the last few years, the rich are even richer and the poor are even poorer. That's just how it fucking works.

>>15746185
Switch to water.

[Anonymous No.15746301]

>>15746232
Oh, shit, we probably agree on a lot. I thought you were just an Obama-humping neolib. Thanks for explaining yourself, finally.
You really think the cultural needle hasn’t moved since 2016? I think it has.
Even though voting in politicians on cultural grounds is, indeed, stupid, that’s where we are. Concrete political and economic decisions are being laid down on the phrase “black lives matter,” but how is that different from Trump’s “make America great again,” or Obama’s “change,” or Marx’s “workers of the world, unite?” Culture has always been upstream of politics, is this new?

[Anonymous No.15746306]

>>15745171
When did "socially progressive" became synonymous with "societally liberal"? Stalin would have called himself "socially progressive", except with a completely different understanding of the "Social question" and of "progressive" (very strong word at the time, only communists called themselves that)

[Anonymous No.15746354]

>>15746306
Same thing with "Social justice", at the time, it often implied bloody revolution, classicide and red terror, the usual deal, while nowadays it's about gendering and microaggressions or whatever

[Anonymous No.15746364]

>>15746354
Bourgeois moral conflict, easier upward mobility. Familiar territory.

[Anonymous No.15746421]

>>15746354
It's impressive how capital is able to redefine words insidiously over time, to the point where using a word correctly becomes an act of defiance -- an instance of contrarian "semantics".

[Anonymous No.15746514]

>>15745171
Nick Land

[Anonymous No.15747809]

>>15745188
>You’re a neo-classical liberal. You can’t honestly be a classical liberal anymore because we k ow too much about capitalism and how shit it is.
Tell me why countries who score higher in the economic freedon index have better quality of life than those who dont? If capitalism creates sadness, bad quality of life, oppresive work, etc. Then why such things don't exist on place where capitalism is rampant?

[Anonymous No.15747883]

>I'm a liberal rightist progressive conservative economicist quasi-fascist anarcho-traditional hyper capitalist with a tinge of communism :)
CRINGE Americans talking about their CRINGE Politics as usual, I see.

[Anonymous No.15747946]

>>15745501
>Ayn Rand posting was bannable
Fuck brainless oldfags

[Anonymous No.15748051]

>>15745171
An Open Letter to Open Minded Progressives

[Anonymous No.15748089]

>>15745171
So you're a neocon? Books won't help here, try some rope.

[Anonymous No.15748094]

>>15747809
Dont use facts, they wont understand you.

They will say stuff like " they only have better quality of life because they exploit other countries" then you will say something like " show me this exploitation every transaction in a capitalistic world order is based on free will " then they say something like " there is no free will involved if you gonna starve " then you say something like " not every transaction is about staying alive " yada yada yada and they wont refute any of your points, but bring in more useless feelings that wont help feed the poor or create new wealth.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15748286]

>>15747809
Tell me why only Hollywood films win Academy Awards

>>15747946
Oh, the irony

[Anonymous No.15748312]

>>15748286
because hollywood is a jewish racket

[Anonymous No.15748345]

>>15745171
Retard is afraid we're going to be mad if he says "neoliberal" (the name of his ideology)

[Anonymous No.15748354]

>>15745171
>I’m extremely socially progressive, but economically right wing.
Gen X really was the worst generation

[Anonymous No.15748412]

Capitalism is already extremely socially progressive. Alt-right retards just don't understand that the right political alignment isn't a one way street and are slowly digging their own grave.

[Anonymous No.15748421]

>>15748412
Capitalism is a nebulous political entity. It goes wherever the money is. Now, money is in X political category; in the future, it's in Y political category.

[Anonymous No.15748444]

>>15745171
I don't know of anything that stupid. Maybe Fukuyama?

[Anonymous No.15748445]

>>15748421
Except that capitalism benefits from the Right ideology of capital management, while traditionalism limits its growth. It just showcases how putting political believes in a spectrum is fucking retarded and things are more complex than "commies versus conservatives".

[Anonymous No.15748453]

>>15745171
>socially progressive,
>economically right wing

The worst combo by far. A degenerate selfish faggot.

[Anonymous No.15748458]

Isn't it weird how the CHOP gets shut down on the same day the new Hong Kong security law takes effect?

[Anonymous No.15748477]

>>15748421
>Capitalism is a nebulous political entity. It goes wherever the money is.
That's like saying murder is a nebulous legal entity. It goes wherever the death is. Stop trying to offload the blame to some abstraction, apple-polisher.

[Anonymous No.15748522]

>>15748286
>Tell me why only Hollywood films win Academy Awards
Because there's a law regarding which films can enter the competition, it's about the number of weeks shown at a movie theater in Los Angeles. Heres the info, it changed a bit do to corona: https://www.oscars.org/news/awards-rules-and-campaign-regulations-approved-93rd-oscarsr..