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Does anybody actually still take these sophists seriously circa 2020?

>> No.15848988
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>>15848968
No. Why are you even bringing them up? I stopped thinking hitchens was cool at 17, then realised god was real at 21, then realised god is dead at 22. But the four bull preppers of atheism are probably the worst place to get any theology (they fundamentally misunderstand it when it's brought up to them in debates, e.g. any theologian they faced)

>> No.15848991

>>15848968
btfo by Craig

>> No.15848994

>>15848988
this

>>15848968
why are you bringing this up again? noone talks about them any more.

>> No.15849005

Why do their fans always depict them in this cringy aesthetic.

>> No.15849010

>>15848968
>Dawkins
Realizing too late that he helped create a terrible irrational movement
>Harris
Outed as the lying grifter that he is
>Dennet
Irrelevant
>Hitchens
Dead

>> No.15849011

>>15848968
I don't know, maybe. People pretty much just intuitively agree that Christians are retarded without needing to attach to figures who made their careers out of calling them such.

>> No.15849042

>>15849011
idk, i think its more a wide sense of ambivelence than outright thinking its retarded. and desu, usually that sounds the death knell for anything more than rampant reactionism which usually creates a counterreaction.

see hamfisted wokeness causing alt lite/right and stuff. wourld would have probably been more woke without it.

>> No.15849093

I do.

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>>15848968
NuAtheism is cringe but I'll always respect Hitchens for flipping off Bill Maher's audience of retards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECI4QK_mXA

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>>15848968
Dennett is an NPC

>> No.15849149

>>15849118
that end bit about George Bush jokes was good, even though almost all of his other opinions are cringe

>> No.15849154

>>15849011
>People pretty much just intuitively agree that Christians are retarded without needing to attach to figures who made their careers out of calling them such.
Thats only because of Hitchens and Dawkins. They pretty much killed the cultural Christianity for millennials.

>> No.15849181

>>15849118
>”none of (the crowd) are smarter than the president“
damn

>> No.15849447

I respect Dennet for staying in his lane. The other three took a hard turn into Islamophobia after 9/11 and became cheerleaders for Western Imperialism in the Middle East.

Now Dawkins is a whiny Twitter crank, Sam Harris is barely clinging to relevance, and Hitchens is dead. Which is about as much as we can ask for.

>> No.15849472

In all fairness though, Dennett has a nice beard.

>> No.15849531

>>15849005
It's the same with the "intellectual dark web". This is simply what mid-wits consider intellectuals.

>> No.15849685

>>15848968
is a sophist just a synonym for "intellectual-grifter" now? In Ancient Greece is was simply a paid teacher of rhetoric.

>> No.15849895

>>15849685
Sophism was synonymous with grifting as early as the 4th century BC. That's why Isocrates had to write "Against the Sophists," because the term for his profession had been poisoned by the Ancient Greek equivalent of Christopher Hitchens.

>> No.15849919

>>15849685
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sophistry
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sophistry

>> No.15849942

>>15849531
the problem with the IDW is that they equate grifters like shapiro to actual intellectuals like weinstein

>> No.15850080

>>15849942
the older brother weinstein is always nerding out about the existence of the IDW because he's finally in (what he believes to be) the cool kids club. Little weinstein is legit.

>> No.15850203

>>15848988
Me on the left.

>> No.15850406

>>15848991
It really was something to see Hitchens stutter and fumble over himself in the debate against Craig. The philosophy of religion is well over his head.

>> No.15850443

>>15849154
Theres a lot of potential discussions and criticism regarding Christianity, both in philosophy and theology as well as in its performative social role, but the nu atheist movement was nothing more than smug one liners and incredulous scoffing that you see from B tier late night hosts.

>> No.15850471

>>15849942
>>15850080
The "intellectual dark web" is just neoliberal controlled opposition promoted by the NYT to stop people from questioning neoliberalism.
I'll pass.

>> No.15850634

>>15848968
Those are not flattering pictures

>> No.15850668

>>15849154
>>15850443
The hypocrisy of Christians is what killed Christianity.
The problem is, militant atheists are also themselves hypocrites who are now doing the same sort of thing Christians were known for doing in the 90's and trying to ban and control everything. They are also so trapped in debunking a Christian religious view that they themselves can't even think outside of it.

>> No.15852169

>>15848968
I liked Selfish Gene, only good thing Dawkins ever wrote.