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"English spelling sucks!"

I can't even begin to put words to how fucking retarded a statement this is.

>> No.15886360

You really remade a thread for this shit? What a loser. Nobody cares.

>> No.15886367

Have sex.

>> No.15886370


>> No.15886372

Have sex, incel.

>> No.15886384

It's not a question

>> No.15886393

i guess its idyosyncratic from a pure structualist point of veiw, but nowhere near the worst and specific framing is needed to make it appear so. sensationalization basically. same kind of thing as
from a purely writen evolutionary standpoint it more or less understandable compared to something like written japanese. just understanding the major root groups of the lang and natural sound changes

>> No.15886404

I'm a native English speaker and even I have to admit English spelling makes no sense at time.

Give me one good reason why this starts with a "p"

>> No.15886438

Because it originates from Greek ("πλ-" = pn-), you brain dead retard. These are all perfect opportunities to learn about your language, and instead you just say the most inane shit just so you can compain about something. French and Spanish pronounce the "p". How many intelligent people remain on this board? Where did they all go?

>> No.15886443

It comes from Ancient Greek pneumoníā where the P was aspirated. From pneúmōn "lung", whose cognates include Latin pulmo and Sanskrit klóman. All this rich etymology would be obscured if certain words did not retain certain phonological remnants from their source languages.

>> No.15886449

πν not πλ

>> No.15886457

take meds
pray to jesus

>> No.15886459

How can you standardize English spelling with all its radically divergent accents and dialects anyway? If you base the new spellings on Standard American you leave the rest of the Anglosphere out in the cold, do you really think those spellings would map onto how Scottish or British people pronounce the same thing? Fuck there are some dialects in England that are so anachronistic they use "thou" to this day, what about them?

>> No.15886470


I don't care about the origins of the word, I already knew that it came from Ancient Greek. But from a pronounciation standpoint, there is no reason for it to have "p" in English. "neumonia" would make a lot more sense

>> No.15886475

>I don't care about the origins of the word
No one cares what literal plebs like you think.

>> No.15886485

Go ahead and undertake the effort to standardize words based off their pronunciation and see how far that gets you. I find it hard to believe people like you exist in the real world.

>> No.15886563

Then tell me why its preferable to keep archaic spellings for words when they make no sense according to the conventional rules of English spelling. Consistency is preferable in my mind then keeping old spellings just because they were derived from other languages. You might as well learn ancient Greek if you care so much about the traditions of words (which isn't a choice I'm criticizing, but I don't see why we should impose that on everyone who studies English).

Japanese, Chinese, French, and other languages take words from foreign languages and modify them to make more sense for their native languages, I see no reason why English shouldn't do the same. Instead its a mess of a casserole of words from a bunch of different languages with little consistency is rules for spelling and pronunciation.

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How 'bout you all sneed

>> No.15886645

But they're not archaic at all. They're naturally occuring as a result of their etymology.
>convential rules of English spelling
And what are those rules?
>other languages take words from foreign languages and modify them to make more sense for their native languages.
But English does this too (e.g the etymology for man, and men, etc), and all the time. Your problem is that you're generalizing the language far too much. It's honestly not worth my time to go through all of this because I don't think I'm going to be able to change your opinion. I imagine it primarily comes from your naiveté since you take your native fluency for granted.

>> No.15886651

1. Japanese is a fucking orthographic mess and bringing it up only harms your point. Plus its syllabaries leave no room for spelling debates since all words will always be rendered exactly the same into Japanese.

2. Chinese and Japanese to a certain extent use logograms so the pronunciation of words isn't encoded into its written character at all.

3. French is the poster-boy of archaic spelling, so again not helping your point. Plus it almost always preserves etymological spellings from languages like Latin and Greek like English does.

>> No.15886713

Don't know French, but I've heard people who do know it tell me they often modify words to suit their need. So I'll concede with French specifically, but I know some Chinese and am proficient in Japanese.

With Japanese in particular you are pointing out flaws I already know that are irrelevant to my point. Yes, Japanese is an absolute mess, in large part because they never got rid of kanji. In a sense all my points about why English spelling is a mess for maintaining the etymology of words is what screws Japanese over with their reliance on kanji. But when it came to English words (and words from other European languages) that they borrow, converting it to katakana makes a lot of sense. You can borrow words, and you can flexibly modify them since with katakana you can convert them with a phonetic alphabet. Not only maintaining the integrity of your own language, but also making it easy to pronounce for native speakers. I don't see why it would be a crime to do something similar in English.

>> No.15886731

it's not naturally occuring at all... Current english spelling is the result of several writing reforms made arbitrarily. It's very much the definition of artificial.

>> No.15886743

>I don't see why it would be a crime to do something similar in English.
Because Japanese syllabaries can only render foreign words in one way whereas English has an alphabet. Take the French word "queue", it can be spelled in English "cue", "keew", "kiyou", "kyoo", but there is literally only one way it can be represented in Katakana, and that's as "キュー".

>> No.15886811

>Take the French word "queue", it can be spelled in English "cue", "keew", "kiyou", "kyoo", but there is literally only one way it can be represented in Katakana, and that's as "キュー".

That's a pretty fair point actually, thanks for not being a dick about it too.

>> No.15886827

That's what standardized languages in centralized states engaged in mass communication does. In Western Europe alone dozens of different languages, not just different strains of britoid creatures who employ slightly variations cock-globbing sounds, are on the verge of extinction because of that.

>> No.15886880

its really not tgat hard. english is still rather mutually intelligible and proffessional writing is all but standardized with small differences like color-colour which is easy to account for.
and its not diverging much anytime soon due to interconnectivity.
this, and its a good thing. imagine how much more victumization there would be if those sub languages were allowed to remain extinent. standardization is good for mutual understanding and belonging. diversity in the meta sense only devides and becomes retroactively important. would anyone not stop the slave trade to america if they could?

>> No.15886905

>its really not tgat hard
Because you're a retard psued who doesn't know the first thing about it.

>> No.15887177

Directors at Daimler Benz and Chrysler have announced an agreement to adopt English as the preferred language for communications, rather than German, which was another possibility.

As part of the negotiations, directors at Chrysler conceded that English spelling has some room for improvement and have accepted a five-year phase-in plan.

In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c". Also, the hard "c" will be replased with "k". Not only will this klear up konfusion, but komputers have one less letter.

There will be growing kompany enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replased by "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20 persent shorter.

In the third year, DaimlerKhrysler akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reash the stage where more komplikated shanges are possible.

DaimlerKhrysler will enkourage the removal of double letters, whish have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"'s in the languag is disgrasful, and they would go.

By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps sush as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" by "v".

During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be droped from vords kontaining "o", and similar shanges vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.

After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis, and employes vil find it ezi to kommunikat viz eash ozer.

Ov kors al supliers vil be expekted to us zis for all busines komunikation via DaimlerKhrysler.

Ze drem vil finali kum tru ...

Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas.

If zis mad yu smil, plez pas on to oza pepl.

>> No.15887237

>english is such a bad language he cant even find the words to portray a very simple explanation

>> No.15887280

Collecting pointless, useless rote knowledge like this doesn’t make you intelligent faggot.

>> No.15887504

It's not meaningless. Also you should be able to reconstruct most important Latin and Greek roots just by analysing English itself. There's like 100 you have to know, aka nothing.

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>mfw my language is spoken exactly how it's written

>> No.15887597

You are right, an abstract concept can't suck since that requires a physical body with a mechanism with which to suck with.

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>> No.15887679

>"neumonia" would make a lot more sense
Only if disregarding etymology, and anyone disregarding etymology has no real standing in arguing for other aspects regarding the language.

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Sehr gut, Hans.

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>> No.15887780

Why the hell would you use z for the dental fricative? Even though i's sometimes represented with s or z, it's pretty consistently represented with th in most languages that use the latin alphabet

>> No.15887789

To mak ze jok vork

>> No.15887790

Howee saiks, eensailo

>> No.15887797

English is the worst fucking language.
t. Russian

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>> No.15887823

The invention of dutch

>> No.15887832

Autism comes before humor

>> No.15887845

zdravstvuite kontrvzbzdnulschik

>> No.15889212

true, if you want to look at truly retarded spelling just look at french

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