/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15923515]

What are books about Wicca? I took an anthropology of witchcraft course once, and it was the most disappointing class I ever took. There wasnt even any anthropology. I know around the beginning of the 20th centuries a lot of different spiritualities arose, such as theosophy, to replace the spiritual void left by the decline of the Church. I heard wicca was a moon goddess cult invented around the mid 20th century by a guy called Gerald Gardner. I'd be interested in literature that describes the wiccan belief system, history, and perhaps some analysis on the future of spirituality.

[Anonymous No.15923650]

>>15923515
The 19th amendment was a mistake and you cannot convince me otherwise

[Anonymous No.15923684]

>>15923650
Women should never have been made literate

[Anonymous No.15923696]

>>15923515
More accurately, what are some works on the development of this very shallow and artificial new age type occultism that attracts teenage girls?

[Anonymous No.15923703]

>>15923515
Why are /lit/ threads so irremediably and hoplesssly shit? Posting twitter screenshots should be auto permaban

[Anonymous No.15923708]

>>15923515
>The future of spirituality
It's consumerism. Spirituality barely exists anymore in the West. It is entirely a proxy for one or the other branch of acceptable modern politics, which are in turn a proxy for whatever hedonistic trend some moron has attached himself to. Look at the fucking tweets
>I'm a Wiccan!
>Spooky goth makeup oooooh!
>I do my witchcraft on social media!
>Also we have celtic mythology too, the fae are so cool!
>Morality is a human construct too guys, natural forces don't abide by it!
This is as much a religion and body of religious practices as dressing like KISS and claiming attending death metal concerts is a form of worship or pilgrimage. It's just a mask for consumerist subcultures.

[Anonymous No.15923711]

Its greek religion dumbed down for women. They worship pan and selene as a dualism.

[Anonymous No.15923712]

Do you need to be born with a vagina to be a witch?
Is witchcraft transphobic?

[Anonymous No.15923722]

>>15923515
Modern day witchcraft and mysticism is just a romanticized and saturated parody of its earlier form, where nothing is at stake and has about the same ascendancy as any other modern ludic form of enervated distraction.

[Anonymous No.15923740]

>>15923696
It is nothing but the romanticism of childhood foolishness in a secular society.

[Anonymous No.15923750]

>>15923711
I never figured Wicca to be based in greek mythology.
>>15923708
Surely this is just a slump? The world isnt doomed to materialistic hedonism forever, right?
>>15923712
My anthropology professor mentioned it briefly. Wicca is often used by feminists to feminist ends. I would guess the more serious ones are terfs while the Twitter larps are "inclusive"

[Anonymous No.15923783]

>>15923708
It isnt even a mask. A mask hides something. This is hiding nothing, since you can so clearly see the mask, which means the mask is less the hiding of something than the making visible that you are hiding, that you are a hider, that you are subversive, that you are "deep", "unique", "different".

[Anonymous No.15923789]

>>15923515
As other posts in this thread are suggesting, you won't find any great works on the religion because the religion itself hasn't produced any great works. There are no masterful texts in Wicca, nor are there any authentic oral traditions, nor are there any revered saints, nor are there any significant works of art. There aren't even any colorful personalities among its adherants. There's nothing to study.

[Anonymous No.15923798]

>>15923789
*adherents

[Anonymous No.15923807]

>>15923515
It isnt a religion, it is a fashion statement.

[Anonymous No.15923907]

>>15923712
Males who practice witchcraft are called "warlocks." It may be that they have advantages and disadvantages in it as compared to women. I've heard that magic comes from the moon in some traditions, and women have a close relationship with it; whereas men have often been known as summoners of demons and used societal powers to perform rituals that required rare supplies.

[Anonymous No.15924088]

>>15923750
>Surely this is just a slump? The world isnt doomed to materialistic hedonism forever, right?
The world is doomed. The West is forever materialistic and is imposing it's state on the entire world, as the world gets more Western it will become just as soulless.

[Anonymous No.15924100]

>>15924088
Well we can only hope Spengler is right

[Anonymous No.15924153]

Giordano Bruno, On Magic and On Bonds in General.

[Anonymous No.15924173]

I wouldn't mind an occult gf but almost all of them are on the Wiccan meme and it's painful

[Anonymous No.15924189]

Iamblichus: On the Mysteries. Foundations of magic from Late Antiquity synthesis of Platonic, Pythagorean, Hermenetic, and traditional Med. cults.

[Anonymous No.15924205]

>>15923907
>Males...are called "warlocks."

[Anonymous No.15924277]

[Anonymous No.15924287]

>>15923515
I want to hex all of these people with bullet to the cerebellum

[Anonymous No.15924345]

>>15923515
Don't bother. Wicca is a meme.

[Anonymous No.15924362]

>>15924153
>>15924189
>>15924277
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.15924435]

>>15923515

[Anonymous No.15924462]

>Christianity eradicating Paganism was a bad thin-

[Anonymous No.15924485]

>>15924462
>this gender votes

[Anonymous No.15924550]

>>15924362
>>15924462
>women practice black magic for some bizarre nefarious end of “hexing” the fae (which I presume is anti-White)
>get dabbed on by daemons
good, I hope they rot.

[Anonymous No.15924799]

>>15923515
Wicca is just Crowleyian kikery to subvert pagan revival. Most are attention-seeking tumblr tier soys. If you want real witchcraft you have to look at historical investigation and sources are scarce, especially for pre-kabbalah

[Anonymous No.15924849]

>>15923515
>twenty three million likes

[Anonymous No.15925032]

>>15924849
https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=es&tl=en&text=mil

[Sage No.15925054]

>>15923515
Gerald Gardner and Aleister Crowley invented "Wicca" as a way to get laid, or at least to see lots of naked people... That's all you really need to know about the "system" of beliefs...

[Anonymous No.15925056]

>>15925032
Thank God

Still, 23 thousand is quite some likes

[Anonymous No.15925064]

>>15925054
Kinda based desu

[Anonymous No.15925099]

>>15923907
Warlock can be perjorative in those circles. Men typically call themselves witches too.

[Anonymous No.15925631]

The adoption of Wicca is merely the feminine (lunar) spirit in its degeneration attempting to reconcile the death of authentic paganism.

Notice how men are not attracted to any of this nonsense, but rather genuinely historical manifestations of paganism such as war cults, death cults, Vargism, etc?

[Anonymous No.15925646]

>>15923750
>The world isnt doomed to materialistic hedonism forever, right?
It was over long before we were even born.

[Anonymous No.15925655]

>>15925054
>Aleister Crowley
Crowley is rolling in his grave.

[Anonymous No.15925660]

Isn't this proof that Nietzsche was wrong? Sure Christianity has weak elements but it eradicated this pathetic demon-magic jump at shadows bullshit that the Pagan world was totally enthralled and enslaved by.

[Anonymous No.15925669]

>>15925660
>demon-magic jump at shadows bullshit
Go ahead and find any sort of this shit into original European paganism. The gods were always metaphors.

[Anonymous No.15925685]

Eros and Magic. He was killed for writing this.

[Anonymous No.15925696]

>>15925669
They were very real and magic was their practical role in religious and everyday life.

[Anonymous No.15925715]

>>15923515

White males need to rise up and FUCKING KILL THESE PEOPLE.

Strike her in the neck with an axe, rip off the rest by pull of your hands. Fuck her neck stump. Dissolve the remains in acid. Fuck yeah (white) man

[Anonymous No.15925726]

>>15925685

[Anonymous No.15925744]

>>15925669
>The gods were always metaphors.
Absolutely 100% false. The ancients were not just playing pretend for thousands of years.
The reason you didn't see dumb shit like this is precisely because they were not pretending, pagan worship was serious business with authentic traditions taken incredibly seriously. This retarded nonsense happens because these teenage girls are just consuming, as other anons said. They learned about their "practices" from the internet and the store at the mall next to Hot Topic.

[Anonymous No.15925760]

>>15923515
Hey op, I've been considering taking an Anthro of Witchcraft course. What was the course full of if not anthro.?

[Anonymous No.15925777]

>>15925744
One big difference is animal sacrifice. No event happened in the classical world without an accompanying animal sacrifice and the psychic energy of the killing projected to the ritual ends.

[Anonymous No.15925792]

>>15923708
>tfw you're Irish and get to watch the rest of the world use your culture for their degenerate purposes even more every year
>"omg druids are so cool! Wait, what do you mean they were highly respected scholars and had very little to do with the occult??"
I get reminded of this every year on St. Patrick's day when people use a holy holiday as an excuse to get blackout drunk

[Anonymous No.15925816]

>>15923712
While I don’t endorse Wicca (completely Antitraditional, even Evola would have called it that and he loved magic) there is a place for male power in the system— look up the horned god and a book called “masks of misrule”.

[Anonymous No.15925833]

>>15925669
>the gods were always metaphors

Go to bed Varg, your thinly disguised atheism is not allowed here

[Anonymous No.15925842]

Magic theory has its origin in Plotinus:

Plotinus’s views on sympatheia builds on Stoic doctrine as well as on Plato’s view as expressed in the Timaeus. There is a very marked difference between Plotinus and the Stoics, however, in that Plotinus entirely rejects the physicalism of the Stoics. Thus, for Plotinus, sympatheia is altogether founded on the unity of an incorporeal soul. He appeals to sympatheia to account for evident causal connections between phenomena that are spatially apart. Such phenomena depend on the unity of the soul, whether that of an ordinary organism or the universe at large. The main spheres of application are the phenomena of astral influence, magic, divination, prayers, and sense perception: the distant senses, sight and hearing work by means of an affection at a distance on the organ of sense. Plotinus is eager to uphold that sympatheia is a natural phenomenon and as such more widespread than the occult phenomena that it is invoked to explain. It concerns things and events in the sensible realm, and does not involve affecting or influencing the higher causes from below.

[Anonymous No.15925868]

Is Wicca just LARPaganism for women?

[Anonymous No.15925877]

>>15925868
No it's much worse.

[Anonymous No.15925880]

>>15925715
bro you just posted cringe

[Anonymous No.15925881]

>>15925760
Obese women talking about themselves

[Anonymous No.15925899]

>>15925868
Wicca is pop science for women.

[Anonymous No.15925914]

>>15925880

idk raping and killing mentally ill women sounds based.

Removing the wheat from the chaff, most men are too beta to commit to such dirtywork

[Anonymous No.15925918]

>>15925631
Vargism is objectively worse and more ahistorical than this.

[Anonymous No.15925919]

>>15925868
It's occultism for people who don't actually study the occult. So I guess it basically is larping

[Anonymous No.15925926]

>>15925868
The whole wicca-crystal shit-zodiac-rimbob axis seems more congruent to mindless "self-improvement bro" idiocy to me. They both essentially boil down to believing in yourself in spite of everything reasonable telling you that you ought not.

[Anonymous No.15925949]

>>15925842
>Magic theory has its origin in Plotinus:
As much as I respect Poltinus, no. Many of the Greeks were initates of Egyptian schools which had developed to very high degrees.

[Anonymous No.15925954]

>>15925918
Yeah you're right. Varg who's pumping his wife full of kids in the rural french countryside and teaching them traditional values at home is way worse than mid twenties/early thirties whores larping online about bitching to Apollo that their cycles get fucked up on birth control.

[Anonymous No.15925962]

>>15925669
>The gods were always metaphors.
Not merely metaphors, but symbols for aspects of consciousness that defy rationalization and can only be experienced. Polytheism is ultimately either veiled or undeveloped Monotheism.

[Anonymous No.15925965]

>>15925842
>He appeals to sympatheia to account for evident causal connections between phenomena that are spatially apart. Such phenomena depend on the unity of the soul.
Is Bohmian mechanics magic, the universal wave function doing spooky action at a distance?

[Anonymous No.15925983]

>>15925949
The practice yes, but the theory for why magic works come from Plotinus; they all refer back to the idea of natural sympatheia. Al-Kindi's theory of radiation is also dominant in every subsequent theory.

[Anonymous No.15926002]

>>15925962

Some pagans held this view, some pagans held more superstitious views about the Gods and their power over the world. There was a diversity of acceptable views in antiquity

[Anonymous No.15926010]

>>15923650
>>15923684
It makes a helluva lot more sense than Christianity.

[Anonymous No.15926012]

>>15926002
>There was a diversity of acceptable views in antiquity
There's acceptable, and there's what's real and practicable. Occultism has it's way of weeding out people who can't distinguish between the two.

[Anonymous No.15926025]

>>15923750
>The world isnt doomed to materialistic hedonism forever, right?
Nonmaterialism was always just a cope for not understanding how nature works.

[Anonymous No.15926026]

>>15923650
I think a decade ago I would have disagreed with you, but the more im exposed to them on the internet harder it is for me to find any fault in your logic.
Islam and sharia really did have women figured out.

[Anonymous No.15926033]

>>15923696
Theyre trying to fill the void left by an absence of religion

[Anonymous No.15926046]

>>15925965
>reading an idiotic shit-thread
>an actual intellectual chimes in out of the blue
/lit/ is full of surprises

[Anonymous No.15926058]

>>15926033
Religion is exactly what they are engaging in, numbnuts.

[Anonymous No.15926069]

>>15926058
Pretty sure that’s his point. They need a surrogate

[Anonymous No.15926084]

>>15926069
Surrogate for what?

[Anonymous No.15926091]

>>15923515
Only time will tell, but there are clear signs in our culture that magic and esotericism could play a big role in the future of spirituality. The reasons for this are complex, but surely it's a very fertile area of research to dig into. The development of new religious movements is not something to be underestimated at all, and historians of religions should be taking notice to this instead of indulging in academic pedantry. You have promisings new religions florishing in real time and you can study them in detail, I can't see how you can ignore or dismiss it if that's your area of study.

[Anonymous No.15926102]

>>15925962
>symbols for aspects of consciousness
They're aspects of consciousness because when your soul descends from the zodiac on its way to enter your body at birth, it passes through the sphere of each planet on the way down, arts of the planets adhere to the soul, each planet has its own psychic potency, and those parts activate in the persons soul in degree to the position and alignment of their origin planets.

[Anonymous No.15926105]

>>15926084
Lack of actual religion and spirituality in their lives.

[Anonymous No.15926147]

>>15926105
Religion is exactly what they are engaging in, numbnuts.

[Anonymous No.15926637]

>>15923515
how the fuck this person is any different from christians and muslims who larp on chans/twitter just to be "based"?

[Anonymous No.15926662]

>>15926147
Lol shitposters' broken

[Anonymous No.15927070]

>>15925868
Yes, and fags too. They are smart enough to see the nihilism, ennui, materialism, and godlessness that characterizes modernity, but still want a religion that appeals to their modern sensibilities like egalitarianism, feminism, Liberalism, sexual freedom, progress, and so on. Yet, they are oblivious to the fact that these same sensibilities were what led to the meaninglessness and materialism of the modern world which they claim to despise in the first place.

[Anonymous No.15927118]

>>15926084
They want to be spiritual but they do not want to sacrifice their progressivist politics. Wicca fulfills that niche because it is the only religion that doesn't call fags, trannies, and loose women degenerates.

[Anonymous No.15927136]

>>15927070
>>15927118
This

[Anonymous No.15927140]

>>15927118
Have a look at the hashtags on tiktok. It's the weird girls engaged in a power fantasy against the cool girls. The hex is an act of ressentiment for the powerless losers of the female social war.

Through Wicca the weird girl gains sexual energy and value and gains a source of power in spells against her betters.

[Anonymous No.15927156]

>>15923515
Wiccans hate The Triumph of the Moon because it addresses Wicca outside the bubble of their bullshit revisionist history. I've not read it myself though, I just know it's a serious scholarly work neo-pagans downvote on Amazon reviews.

So it would probably be a good place to start unless you've already drunk the kool-aid and want to believe that Wicca is anything like real paganism and not a modern phenomena.

[Anonymous No.15927213]

The baby witches are in the right. The actualisation of human freedom requires liberation from terrestrial and sub-luminary gods. Why should man be checked by elves, Diana or Apollo? Sublate their magic potency to the human mage.

[Anonymous No.15927223]

>>15923515
>"fae are celtic specific"
>fae is a Latin word from Fata (Fate) via French
>didn't exist in the British or Irish islands until well after the Norman conquest

[Anonymous No.15927327]

Wiccans insisting that their tradition have historical links to old paganism is fallacious, but dismissing Wicca saying that "hurr durr, it's not real paganism" is equally fallacious and simply stupid. Stupid because it doesn't help you understand anything about the movement, it's just a move to try to fit or shelter in an arrogantly presumable "high intellectual" position that only exists in your heads, silly pseuds.

[Anonymous No.15927350]

>>15927327
It is very bad folk magic in a era which has no excuse to believe in magical efficacy. Perhaps there is something in Classical and Renaissance magic systems as pre-modern theories of eros, psychology, or panpsychism. There's no value in the practice of spells and hexes in modernity.

[Anonymous No.15927362]

>>15923515
Oh yeah, I'd love to have hex with that lady.

[Anonymous No.15927386]

>>15926091
>promising

to who? larpers?

[Anonymous No.15927433]

>>15925696
Literally nothing from any of these can be evidenced in wiccanism. Why are you so dishonest anon? Is it because you are a spiritually defunct zomboid that needed anything to cling on to?

[Anonymous No.15927484]

>>15927433
>cosmic sympathy as mechanism of magic efficacy
>spells effected by gathering of tokens/sunthema over chants
>system of gods as ensouled planets affecting souls
All Western magic comes from Renaissance Magic which comes from the magic of Neoplatonism. It was forgivable then, I'm sorry if in the cold harsh light of modernity Neoplatonic magic looks stupid like it does in Wicca.

[Anonymous No.15927487]

I remember being into this shit when I was 13.

[Anonymous No.15927496]

>>15927487
LONDON
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[Anonymous No.15928134]

>>15927070
Very succinct anon thank you

[Anonymous No.15928619]

>>15923783
simulacrum-pilled

[Anonymous No.15928640]

>>15924462
>wicca
>paganism
Effeminate spirituality is an absolute cringefest which is why every Indo-European religion was strictly patriarchal.

[Anonymous No.15928691]

>>15928640
I had a few different professors tell me there were several indo european cults and tribal religions which were matriarchal, or at least deep in feminism. Fertility goddesses were always the highest deity in the early stage of development. Its not until later stages did they begin placing the masculine as higher. Cave paintings, pre hellenic greece, and celtic tribes followed this pattern. According to my art history class, at least

[Anonymous No.15928701]

I thought Wicca was just something girls here got into when they wanted to put curses on the class stacy or whatever back when I was in middle school . I'm surprised that not only it's an international phenomenon, but it seemingly got much bigger in recent years.

[Anonymous No.15928790]

Somewhat related, are there any serious analysis on why practice of witchcraft and black magic is overwhelmingly done by women? Based on anedoctes and personal experience, folk black magic in Latin America is overwhelmingly feminine territory. The same seems to be the case for Asia and Africa. In syncretic african-american religions, even if males occupy positions of power in the cult structure, it seems it's almost always women who are involved in the mundane rituals and curses. Does it all boils down to an extension of female passive aggressiveness when in conflict? I remember reading about the Memphis Rap scene which was heavily invested in occultism and got thinking into how unusual it is for black men to be involved in those things, yet in many places along the American continent, every other black bitch is sacrificing chickens on her closet.

[Anonymous No.15928866]

>>15928701
It's not only Wicca, there has been a new whole revival of all things magic / esoterica through the last years. Things that always were very niche are slowly leaking into the cultural mainstream in many ways. Something somewhat paralleled to the total normalization or assimilation of things that also were relatively "countercultural", like feminism, LGBT stuff, etc.

[Anonymous No.15928880]

>>15923907
Males who practice witchcraft are called Wiedzmins

[Anonymous No.15929159]

>>15928790
Women are easily manipulated by demons.

[Anonymous No.15929616]

>>15923515
Got into a argument about this retard shit with thots on fb
>these baby witches know the moon is reflective right?...right??
>the moon is actually one of the least reflective objects in our solar system
>wrong incel, why is it so bright?
>link article from NASA asserting my claim, I dunno probably because there’s a giant ball of fire nearby?
>don’t mansplain witchcraft to me
>bitch this is science you daft cunt
Bam 30 timeout

[Anonymous No.15929646]

>>15927070
Exactly this.

[Anonymous No.15929690]

>>15929616
What does albedo have to do with magic you sperg

[Anonymous No.15929724]

>>15929690
Retards thought the moon is reflective and the hex would backfire whoever cast it or some such retarded bullshit

[Anonymous No.15929725]

>>15928790
why would you waste time doing bitchy little spells and incantations when you can just take a sword and actually go get something done?

[Anonymous No.15929944]

>>15929725
Women don’t like getting their hands dirty. They want results but they don’t want to be the one with blood on their hands

[Anonymous No.15929958]

>>15923515
Let's talk about the Second Religiousness and the return of religion in a highly degenerate form and how Spengler was completely right about everything

[Anonymous No.15930168]

>>15929724
>Trying to prove witches wrong with your ebin facts and logic by pretending materialist rules apply to magic
Against all odds, you somehow got to the point that you're even more retarded than teenage girls who think they are close personal friends with Apollo

[Anonymous No.15930179]

>>15928691
That isn’t true as far as I’m aware. They might be mixing it up with Gimbutas’ idea that the proto europeans were these perfect matriarchal utopians before the patriarchal IEs showed up

[Anonymous No.15930185]

>>15928790
Magic is a power fantasy for the weak. Monks, ascetics, bookworms, women. Historically it required literacy to learn the chants and spell formula, so would have been mostly restricted to men.

[Anonymous No.15930194]

>>15929958
This nigga just don’t miss

[Anonymous No.15930211]

>>15928691
It's an old myth about the pre-Indo-European Early European Farmer populations of Europe.

[Anonymous No.15930230]

>>15928701
It's exactly this. Now the weird outcast girls form communities on the internet to share their power revenge fanatsies as lesbian witches against Chad, Stacey, mom and dad.

[Anonymous No.15930234]

>>15928691
disregard everything you learned in that class then

[Anonymous No.15930294]

Im not sure why, but modern activists who call themselves "witches" make me far more mad than any other form of wokies. I cant really explain why they piss me off so much more than a regular variant. Maybe it's the undeserved smugness without actually doing anything. Or maybe it's the arrogance that their shitty 21st century liberal dogma's somehow enjoy the approval of divine powers. Can anyone relate to this?

[Anonymous No.15930311]

>>15925954
you can't 'teach' values, you merely teach habits, muscle memory. if you keep that human sheltered enough from outside influences, he may not break the habit, but otherwise you will see him show his 'values'.
let's see where varg's kids go once they reach age 14, and on through age 20, when they're pumped full of hormones and want girlfriends/boyfriends, cause I don't see many 'normally raised' young people wanting to live in their mud hut. they may avoid boredom since they have plenty of technology (video/audio players, computers/phones etc., I recall Varg saying they've even watch Interstellar recently). If civilization goes to shit like he hopes, it's going to be pretty hard to stare at the stains on the walls to pass the time.
so yeah, if they want to have any change as a family once the kids reach the sexual age, varg might as well fuck the girls, and his wife might as well fuck the boys.

[Anonymous No.15930328]

>>15928691
You should write down the names of those professors so that we can hunt them down once civilization collapses.

[Anonymous No.15930337]

>>15924462
>my friend works with Apollo
that's a step up from working for nintendo I have to admit

[Anonymous No.15930340]

>>15929724
You should argue within her value system that the gods should mastered and bent to the witches will>>15927213

Imagine believing in magic power and then imposing a limit on your powers because of fairies or gods. If magic were real the right thing to do would be to blast off all limitations of the art and maximise your magic power.

Within the Wiccan system respect for gods and fairies is a spook to self-limit your magic power. Why obey the spook is the question for the witches? In the Cannibal Hymn of the pyramid texts, one of the first spells, Unas promises to slay and eat the gods as his soul rises into the heavens. He is the master of the gods through funerary magic, not their sevant.

[Anonymous No.15930384]

>>15930294
based elephantposter
what is it with these majestic animals and absolutely clobbering dumb white bitches?

[Anonymous No.15930387]

>>15930294
Now you know how Romans felt about Christians. Their beliefs are a power fantasy of the weak against their betters, and the contempt you feel is directed at their audacity to think exemplary gods would favour and reward weakness as an exemplar of man.

[Anonymous No.15930417]

>>15923515
There are books about wicca, most of them are really soft and are of very little use to someone who wants to understand it from an academic or anthropological perspective. Honestly, the anthropology of witchcraft and the occult is embarrassingly lean.

Most of what you need to know about wicca can be read on wikipedia. What you've heard about Garner is true. He's not at all dissimilar from L Ron Hubbard or Joseph Smith, although from everything I've ever heard he never harmed a fly.

There was some bad anthropology about witchcraft in the late 19th and early 20th century, postulating that all European witchcraft was a surviving pagan religion, with some thought that strands of the ancient religion still existed today, in secret. The Golden Bough is probably the most famous book of that moment.

Gerald Garnder was a guy who was into Crowley and other witch-stuff in the mid-20th century. He claimed that he was contacted by a surviving witch-cult, who told him all their secrets.

His story is that wicca (his invention) is the exact same religion as the ancient witch-cult, with all the nouns substituted for his own (renaming deities and rites) so that he would not draw the wrath of the secret witches.

It caught on with some hippies and later attracted the interest of women's studies circles, who were not skeptical enough in their examination, and that led to a boom of interest which has mostly faded IFAIK.

It's as harmless as any religion possibly could be, but there is no real core philosophy, and there is an obviously bleeding open secret that it's foundational concepts are totally ahistorical and have no relationship with European witchcraft or pagan religion.

[Anonymous No.15930437]

>>15923515
I picked up this old book called Witches USA that documents the rise of Wicca and other neopagan sects in America in the early/mid 20th century, maybe see if you can find a copy

[Anonymous No.15930459]

>>15930340
I don't think anyone in the modern world can explain Unas to me. I don't understand Egyptian religion at all, and sometimes I'm scared that they understood things that have been forgotten in the modern world (no alien bs).

Him killing the gods and taking their power IN THE PRESENT TENSE is something I am absolutely fascinated by.

[Anonymous No.15930468]

>>15930384
Most intelligent land animal besides humans

[Anonymous No.15930657]

>>15930459
To ancients the name and the object referred to are the same thing. So by saying the gods name, and especially by writing it, you have power over the god being referred to, because the name is the god. Words especially are magic because the name/god is fixed and permanent unlike speech. By eating the name you eat the god, typically via a name-mediated incarnation to food, very similar to the Eucharist.

[Anonymous No.15930680]

>>15930657
Yeah I get that, I just don't understand how Unas could be PRESENTLY devouring and killing the gods, usurping their power, and circumventing their system - and then two generations later, new Egyptians are carrying on as though the gods were never killed and nothing had changed.

[Anonymous No.15930696]

>>15924462
Islam was right about women

[Anonymous No.15930722]

>>15923750
>Surely this is just a slump? The world isnt doomed to materialistic hedonism forever, right?
Maybe in the distant future a new species of intelligent, spiritual creatures will emerge.

[Anonymous No.15930743]

>>15930680
It's a funeral spell, the presentness would be for his burial and his ba's rise from the body after death. I don't know why the gods aren't replaced by their consumer, I suppose eating them is the way you gain passage across the planets and stars on your way to the zodiac, to eat is to transgress and pass them and the ba excrets the gods so to speak once it moves beyond them.

[Anonymous No.15930850]

>>15930417
Actually, modern Wicca has three sources.

1. Aleister Crowley.
2. Some feminist bulldyke talking a load of bullshit on how witch cults are really surviving pagan religions. forgot her name,
3. A book by some occultgroup from Italy that worships Cain and Lucifer.

[Anonymous No.15930855]

>>15930680
Check this out kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM7-LqTj5L8

[Anonymous No.15930955]

>>15930850
All you did was write a worse and insubstantial version of what I said. You didn't even bother to google the names of the things you remember, and you have the nerve to try to correct someone?

[Anonymous No.15930968]

>>15930850
also the 'feminist bulldyke' was Margaret Murray and I referenced her theory directly and descriptively in my initial post

[Anonymous No.15930990]

>>15923515
Why would you want to even get into this trash? It's some new age garbage trying to sell itself as "muh occult".

[Anonymous No.15931118]

>>15930850
>Aleister Crowley.
Actually implying that Crowley should be connected in a major way with Wicca is absolutely cringe

[Anonymous No.15931195]

>>15931118
they did basically borrow his structure iirc
I think early wicca is just re-branded thelema

[Anonymous No.15931212]

>>15931195
>I think early wicca is just re-branded thelema

[Anonymous No.15931215]

>>15930722
Why is "spirituality" all that great? I hear people bitching about materialism every day, and pointing to the state of society as their proof, but society has been in worse straits in the past. Is it so hard to imagine a kind of mystical or transcendental materialism? I think it could very easily come about>>15930722

[Anonymous No.15931750]

>>15931212
what

[Anonymous No.15931811]

>>15923515

[Anonymous No.15931876]

>>15931215

>society has been in worse straits in the past

And how did you think we got here? Where do you think the search for knowledge, science and education originated? In the church.

[Anonymous No.15931940]

I'm a grad student studying hellenistic religion. Everything wiccans say is true.

they are dabbing on you normies

[Anonymous No.15932066]

>>15931940
>"everything wiccans say is true" says some guy on 4chan
okay

[Anonymous No.15932091]

>>15932066
Yes

[Anonymous No.15932248]

>>15931811
Thank god stalin killed that miserable faggot

[Anonymous No.15932448]

>>15931940
cringe
wiccans would have been put to death in pagan europe

[Anonymous No.15932754]

>>15927118
It’s funny cause there other options that argueably do align with leftist politics. Taoism and anarchism have an interesting intersection for example. But these people aren’t really leftist enough to understand this. In my personal experience most wiccans are just socdems who want to be mysterious and spiritual. However Doing either requires not endorsing Really tame political positions. Actual existing organizations and beliefs system that are indeed mysterious don’t play activist on there Instagram story. They basically recuperated themselves before they even became radical.

[Anonymous No.15932991]

>>15924462
I would rather subscribe to modern pagan bullshit then Christian mysticism.

[Anonymous No.15933140]

>>15932754
Taoism doesn't advocate a stateless society per se since the Tao Te Ching does give advice on how king's should rule. I'd argue it's more aligned with the conservative sentiment that the state should be as small and hands off as possible so as to not be invasive in people's lives.

[Anonymous No.15933490]

>>15933140
That’s true and something bookchin actually wrote about. Some parts of the zhuangzi however are clearly anarchistic. One of the things I find interesting about daoism is how it’s principles seem to be found in all sorts of political movements.

[Anonymous No.15933572]

>>15925669
>The gods were always metaphors.
No they weren’t, traditional European folk religions were just abbo-tier anthropomorphic nonsense, they’ve lived in those gods

[Anonymous No.15933659]

>>15933490
taoism really is incredible... Tao Te Ching was my first philosophical document, still the one i understand the least, and in all the world i think maybe the simplest. It reminds me of Meditations by MA.

[Anonymous No.15933684]

>>15933490
>One of the things I find interesting about daoism is how it’s principles seem to be found in all sorts of political movements.
I think all political movements have a shared of the Tao/Dharma as a part of their core principles, but none of them embody it in its entirety.

[Anonymous No.15933695]

>>15933684
no, the hardest part of taoism for me to reconcile with, is that I'm pretty sure it would force me to abandon any engagement with any political system forever

which I really really really really want to do

[Anonymous No.15933781]

>>15930311
>you can't 'teach' values
Yeah you're right, you can't teach values. That's why the values of every Abrahamic religion and eastern religion only ever lasted one generation.

[Anonymous No.15933948]

>>15930311
i was homeschooled by hippies, and knew about 30 other homeschooled kids from totally different ideological backgrounds and family types.

I fucking promise you that those kids are going to be neurotic messes, and that at best one of them will stick around - and that will only be to labor for the affection and approval of wotan-dad.

[Anonymous No.15934015]

>>15933948
>by hippies
There lies the problem.

[Anonymous No.15934094]

>>15934015
im tellin you that theres some things that wont change no matter what the motivating ideology

[Anonymous No.15934098]

>>15926010
>it makes a helluva lot more
shut the fuck up cock sucking commie

[Anonymous No.15934105]

>>15934094
I knew plenty of people grew up on homesteads, homeschooled, and raised by competent parents, and they turn out more normal than most people born in metropolitan environments. Most people that work on farms, lumber or in wildlife are from this type of background.

[Anonymous No.15934129]

>>15934105
thats not even remotely fucking true lmao
unless you're from some country im unfamiliar with

[Anonymous No.15934150]

>>15934129
You're probably American. I don't mean that as any kind of gotcha. You guys are just no longer capable of having that kind of lifestyle anymore because even your rural populaces are heavily dependent on the metropole.

[Anonymous No.15934200]

>>15934150
Oh I definitely am American, maybe I made a mistake in assuming you were as well.

[Anonymous No.15934255]

>>15934200
Don't worry about it. America is the World syndrome. People in every country do it. English isn't the primary language here but when I go into town I still get to see a bunch of black clad masked faggots holding English signs protesting some dead black guy from America calling to change the laws of a country they likely will never even visit. A product of social media no doubt.

[Anonymous No.15934715]

>>15934255
That's really sad and I'm sorry about the way our culture has deformed global experiences.

[Anonymous No.15934799]

>>15932991
What? You'd rather engage in sweaty sex magic sessions with slightly disturbed LSE teenage girls than sit silently in room contemplating a cloud of nothingness, what's wrong with you?

[Anonymous No.15936631]

bump

[Anonymous No.15937312]

>>15934799
STDs aren't magical

[Anonymous No.15937348]

>>15934799
He said "then". He wants to do both

[Anonymous No.15937377]

>>15923650
This is the cringe at shit I have seen today. It even reminded me that I should be working. The moon looks fine btw

[Anonymous No.15937468]

>>15937348
Kek, why not.

[Anonymous No.15937692]

>>15930294
I also feel this, can anyone explain why?

[Anonymous No.15938936]

>>15925685
huh, the first book is on my backlog. have you read the second?

[Anonymous No.15939165]

>>15938936
I haven't read the second book but he got murdered from his involvement in Romanian politics. Interesting true crime and political intrigue, but not a magic mystery.

The first book, Eros and Magic, is excellent, highly recommend, best book I've read this year. There is a world of early modern thought that has been lost to modernity but that has great explanatory power, renaissance magic's ideas of eros and bonding are one of them. Art of Memory is another.

[Anonymous No.15939185]

>>15939165
sweet, thanks for replying. Yeah, I was kinda hoping for the second book to me a real life magic thriller ride haha

[Anonymous No.15939266]

>>15925631
>vargism
Men are LARPing just as much as women, only their LARP are more violent and autistic. They're closer to authenticity but that's entirely coincidental and due t autism.

[Anonymous No.15939305]

>>15939185
No one was arrested for it. He was shot on campus in 1991. Someone stood on the toilet next to his, leaned over, fired a single shot from a pistol 18 inches away from his head. A strange man was seen on campus who was described as looking like a religious fanatic.

The assumption is that is was a KGB-type assassination but no one really knows.

[Anonymous No.15939306]

>>15924462
Imagine not summoning the powers of the Goetia to shape the world to your will.