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/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:27:12 2020 No.15974021 [Reply] [Original]

This Seems Impractical Edition
What's the most recent book you've read because of these threads?
>>15960236
Archive >>/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg
Charts https://mega.nz/folder/JrhSyY6S#7qmTPol52TnmpFOdbag7RQ/folder/guIyhAzS
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:32:04 2020 No.15974070 File: 37 KB, 318x424, aldebaran.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15974021 Walking to Aldebaran. Slightly smarter than your usual SciFi and pretty dark. Also short.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:34:20 2020 No.15974089 Malazan is the best fantasy series of all time

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:36:31 2020 No.15974110
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>>15974021
>TQ
Way of Kings because I couldn't believe it was as bad as Anons said.
I was wrong. Very wrong.
Honestly, the fact that there is more story in this single image, than in 600+ pages of what I've read so far SCREAMS that there is something wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:36:33 2020 No.15974111 >>15974089 lol what a fag

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:36:54 2020 No.15974114

>>15974021
What's the deal with Robin Hobb?
I recall reading some extremely homoerotic novel of hers where a slavelet was fawning over a prince and being jealous of the prince's consort. But in the same novel, I think, the faggot slavelet gets himself a wife and whelps a child named Ant or something (though it may have been conceived anally).
Was this all the effect of too much LSD? Is she actually worth reading?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:39:04 2020 No.15974128 File: 28 KB, 243x410, Tarnsman_of_gor_vallejo_cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15974089 Malazan never turned into a real-world Sex-cult. Check out "Gorean Subculture" on Wikipedia.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:40:47 2020 No.15974136 >>15974128 Everyone on 4chan has heard of Gor, fren. Especially on /g/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:41:31 2020 No.15974143 >>15974114 >is she worth reading She is and there’s some homo shit but it’s never truly gay. And I’m someone who will drop anything that has homosexual characters in it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:42:23 2020 No.15974153 >>15974143 >never truly gay >drop anything that has homosexual characters Ask me how I know you're closeted

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:45:26 2020 No.15974175 >>15974153 there’s no gay characters in her books, tranny

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:46:48 2020 No.15974184 >>15974114 No, she hates men and anything with Fitz is thinly vieled suffering porn

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:46:56 2020 No.15974187 >>15974153 why is it that you troons always conflate revulsion and repression

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:59:23 2020 No.15974268 >>15974021 >try reading Elric of Melnibone >the protagonist is a brooding wanker that allows his cousin to challenge him in front of everyone and even lets him get away with it What is this literal shit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:00:34 2020 No.15974283 >>15974021 Are those caskets? Is the Dragon taking home the dead soldiers?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:12:02 2020 No.15974368 >>15974187 Because outside of naturally programmed responses like that of blood or something like trypophobia, the things that cause the most revulsion in humans are usually the things that are at odds with their misaligned perception of the self.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:23:04 2020 No.15974478 >>15974128 What he fuck, they're still writing this shit? Latest one came out last year, this is baffling

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:32:36 2020 No.15974593

>>15974187
People don't have the capacity to be that angry or repulsed by things that don't impact their ego in some manner. It'd be a complete waste of energy to be mad at things that aren't related to the self in some manner. If people hate something they have next to no apparent connection to, it's always without fail a distraction from the another issue hidden by a random but convenient scapegoat that happened to appear around the same time as the actual source of anger, or it's just straight up projection aimed to protect the self by way of dissociation. Or they're just so dumb and angry that they lash out at everything so they can avoid confronting the their own issues, which is basically just the more of the same, except even more pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:33:43 2020 No.15974600 >>15974368 >>15974593 I dunno man, it's much simpler. I hate faggots and trannies because they are serial abusers and child indoctrinators. Homosexuals and transpeople are alright.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:38:53 2020 No.15974667 >>15974600 I hate everyone, so if I get told that it's wrong for me to hate certain people, that makes me hate them even more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:40:12 2020 No.15974679 How is the First Law series beyond the first trilogy? I thought it was a lot of fun

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:43:29 2020 No.15974718 >>15974153 The absolute state of /lgbt/, sorry I mean /sffg/

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:47:51 2020 No.15974769

>>15974153
https://www.psypost.org/2017/06/straight-mens-physiological-stress-response-seeing-two-men-kissing-seeing-maggots-49217
>In heterosexual men, pictures of rotting flesh, maggots and spoiled food induce the same physiological stress response as pictures of two men kissing each other. That is the surprising finding that was recently published in the peer-reviewed scientific journal Psychology & Sexuality.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:48:47 2020 No.15974778

>>15974114
>What's the deal with Robin Hobb?
She is a woman.

I don't understand why you would even bother with her writing. Story, plot, and character development is there only for padding, all she (and women generally) cares about is feelings of shitty tranny/gay/strong womanz/retard characters. Why waste time on such trash.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:50:16 2020 No.15974792 >>15974128 I like how Gor is no different from your average romance smut novel written for women, but because it was written by a man for (arguable) other men it's somehow problematic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:52:07 2020 No.15974808 >>15974268 Read the Elric stories from the 60s. They're superior than the later stories. Unless you just really don't like Elric's characterization, which is understandable, then don't bother. He was written to be the anti-Conan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:53:08 2020 No.15974817 >>15974769 >That is the surprising finding >surprising

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:55:06 2020 No.15974838 >>15974778 You'll find that this sort of writing isn't limited to women. Inda is another big offender in this category.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:56:14 2020 No.15974846 >>15974817 It's contrary to their ideology. Revulsion to homosexuality must be hate or bigotry, but it's actually an ingrained physiological response (which makes since given the biological imperative).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:56:46 2020 No.15974854 What's up with Rothfuss? I wonder how he's going to respond now that his editor and publisher revealed that he probably has not written for some time now. The fact that she has not read a single word surprises me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:58:08 2020 No.15974865 >>15974854 He will not respond, obviously. He has an army of drones who are already running interference on reddit, facebook, and twitter.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:59:56 2020 No.15974884

>Writers don't owe their readers anything. Yeah you bought books #1 through X, the start of a series, which would imply that I would finish it. But guess what? I don't feel like it, and if you don't like it then fuck you, you entitled shit.
I love writers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:04:21 2020 No.15974927 What are some other fantasy authors/series I would enjoy if I like Joe Abercrombie? Already read the Black Company series.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:06:02 2020 No.15974943 >>15974679 The Heroes and Best Served Cold are enjoyable standalone novels. Read the Heroes if you want a self-insert incel protagonist, and Best Served Cold if you like incest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:07:27 2020 No.15974956 >>15974943 Best Served Cold it is

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:09:18 2020 No.15974982 >>15974808 I just finished the first book of Eric of Melnibone, liked him a lot better once I grasped what his deal is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:10:05 2020 No.15974990 File: 30 KB, 330x499, 51lcsNvREFL._SX328_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is the Demon Cycle books any good? Also why the fuck can't they opt for just a bland text on color cover instead of this shit

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:15:09 2020 No.15975037

>>15974990
>Is mc a (strong) woman?
>Is mc a tranny/gay?
>Is mc a non white male?
>is there tranny/gay relationships, cucking, and just excess of sex scenes in the book?
>Does the book promote sjw issues?
If the answer is yes to any of these questions then the book is shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:17:36 2020 No.15975063 >>15974854 He'll blame Blumpf and racism. >How could I write a single word when millions of Black Kings and Queens are being murdered every single day by Orange Hitler and his nazi stormtroopers?!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:28:42 2020 No.15975152 >>15974854 It's a series with a white heterosexual male protagonist, with a white love interest, and all white characters. Rothfuss views this as extremely problematic and can't allow himself to continue. Wish he would just be honest about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:31:31 2020 No.15975176 >>15975037 >>15975063 >>15975152 You need to take your meds, lads

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:33:28 2020 No.15975188 >>15975176 You need to remember to dilate. No matter the number of active crimestop legislations, the body wants to heal itself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:34:23 2020 No.15975194 >>15975176 Except Doufuss literally blamed Trump for him being unable to write, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:43:39 2020 No.15975288 >>15974927 KJ Parker reads like Abercrombie with more mastery of the craft (I am judging this off of only having read first law).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:54:28 2020 No.15975373 >>15974667 It's wrong to hate Caucasians.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:56:22 2020 No.15975386 >>15975194 Great. At least 4 more years until DoS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:57:27 2020 No.15975392 >>15974679 His stand alones somehow manage to be worse than the first law, Abercrombie can write three different characters and none of them are good

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:59:08 2020 No.15975405 >>15974990 First book is ok but then muslims invade and they are magically allies Really disappointing series I dropped it at the third book

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:00:08 2020 No.15975413 >>15975386 based

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:00:42 2020 No.15975422 Fuck E William Brown

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:02:41 2020 No.15975437 File: 1.79 MB, 2916x986, 1506755189580.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15974990

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:04:07 2020 No.15975456 >>15975422 fuck you too buddy

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:07:29 2020 No.15975491

>>15974679
I think that sums up Abercrombie.

He's fun. It's light reading Grimdark, if that makes sense.

However, if what you desire is a truly engaging story with well written characters, unique worldbuilding and beautiful prose, you won't find it with him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:07:50 2020 No.15975495 I hate pol shitting up this general.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:10:38 2020 No.15975521 >>15975495 dilate

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:11:23 2020 No.15975526 File: 101 KB, 242x340, tg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15974854 GRRM and Rothfuss should be locked in a room with this complete savage of a man and forced to write.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:11:27 2020 No.15975529 File: 472 KB, 700x700, 1583968138057.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15975456 Update your blog you piece of shit and stop hiding everything behind a paywall. You said you would give snippets on your blog, you fucking cunt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:14:51 2020 No.15975558 I was the guy who hit Stephen king and framed a retard AMA

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:17:46 2020 No.15975586 >>15975558 Why didnt you finish the job?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:18:06 2020 No.15975591 >>15975558 feel any remorse?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:20:13 2020 No.15975605 >>15975495 >>>/lgbt/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:20:24 2020 No.15975607 >>15975558 how many MAGA hats were you wearing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:23:22 2020 No.15975640 File: 59 KB, 709x428, cunt.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw you realise Rothfuss is an utter cunt of a manbaby.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:27:05 2020 No.15975665 >>15974110 its Sanderson, everything happens in the last 100 pages

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:29:33 2020 No.15975681 >>15975640 What do you expect from someone who writes simp fantasy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:30:15 2020 No.15975689 >>15975640 the absolute state

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:31:13 2020 No.15975694 >>15975665 This is true. The entire rest of the book is the thrusting leading up to the nut. It was interesting to see him take this attitude to WoT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:32:33 2020 No.15975702 >>15975681 POST THE DENNA SNIPPET RIGHT NOW, ANON

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:36:42 2020 No.15975734 File: 99 KB, 620x800, yikes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15975702

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:37:18 2020 No.15975737 >>15975734 oh no no no no no

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:37:37 2020 No.15975739 >>15975640 there is no way he gets recognized enough to be that annoyed by someone liking his books

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:37:38 2020 No.15975740 >>15975734 I remember reading this. I cringed so hard man

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:37:52 2020 No.15975746 >>15975734 I fucking hate this part. Thanks for reminding me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:39:49 2020 No.15975760 >>15975734 >the name of the simp

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:52:31 2020 No.15975868 >>15975586 Too many witnesses >>15975591 Never >>15975607 Got 3 in the car

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:55:39 2020 No.15975889 >>15974089 Uninteresting cardboard cutout characters in the service of sub-par worldbuilding, terrible dialogue and chemistry, and a plot that goes nowhere.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:02:08 2020 No.15975929 File: 136 KB, 1200x750, mn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why is Merphy Napier so perfect, bros?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:02:37 2020 No.15975933 >>15975929 never heard of her, I don't watch booktubers

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:07:16 2020 No.15975957 >>15975929 better then Onions Greene at least

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:08:45 2020 No.15975973 >>15975929 She doesn’t seem white

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:10:06 2020 No.15975983 >>15975392 >Abercrombie can write three different characters and none of them are good I still don't understand how he got popular.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:12:54 2020 No.15976004 >>15975983 >What if I took GRRM's crap writing and made it even MORE subversive and edgier! It's not surprising why tards eat his shit up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:16:20 2020 No.15976029 >>15975739 Outside of cons and book signing events probably less than 0.1% of people know him. He just larps as a real celebrity, just like a lot of other starlets do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:24:41 2020 No.15976103 >>15976029 nothing worse than when a beta nerd gets a big ego

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:25:31 2020 No.15976119 What were the best fantasy novels of 2010s? Were there something comparable to 90s, GRRM, etc?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:26:26 2020 No.15976124 >>15976119 Cradle and Azyl Academy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:48:13 2020 No.15976312 >>15976119 Sorcerer's House and The Land Across.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:48:37 2020 No.15976315 >>15975640 I bet we get news of his divorce before the year ends

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:48:58 2020 No.15976318 I spend more time here than reading, 4chan is an evil virus

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:01:43 2020 No.15976419 File: 174 KB, 640x360, STRONG FEMALE .png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lia247wKjhY DISCUSS OR DIE!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:02:41 2020 No.15976429 File: 49 KB, 600x578, 130221984383.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15976124 >>15976312

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:11:03 2020 No.15976491 >>15976315 doubt it, I think he earned enough from Kingkiller to effectively retire

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:15:25 2020 No.15976540 >>15976419 Imagine you being something like these guys in just a dozen years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:18:44 2020 No.15976576 >>15976429 I'm not trying to cheat you, but yeah even though those novels are fun they aren't deep in any way, so if you are a fedora tipper then you won't be satisfied.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:20:50 2020 No.15976595
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Not coming at him with bad faith, but how the fuck did anyone read Sanderson when he was a no-one and think "this is good writing?" I understand that people read him for the world building and fantasy systems, but I've read passages as simple as "X attacks group of skeletons, they surround him, X slashes the chest of one skeleton".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:22:38 2020 No.15976611 >>15976595 it's YA fiction, more or less

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:23:57 2020 No.15976628 >>15976595 It's like reading a medieval sitcom

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:30:19 2020 No.15976685 >>15976540 The fat woman and a drunk man I don't know them but Manning and Ag Riddle pretty much live off writing and self publishing, it is not a bad existence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:31:05 2020 No.15976694 >>15976628 >It's like reading a medieval sitcom How many times do I need to say it: SANDERSON IS THE BIG BANG THEORY OF FANTASY.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:33:33 2020 No.15976713 >>15976694 You can hear the laughtrack in between the breaks in the dialog. "Is it girl stuff?" Laughs "Girl stuff" Louder laughter

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:33:52 2020 No.15976717
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>>15976595
Read those Red Sonja novels from the 80s if you want a female protag who isn't an insufferable cunt. The writers even gave her the MUH RAPE backstory, but she still doesn't hate men and doesn't say retarded shit like this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:37:43 2020 No.15976745 >>15976685 I talked about aging and overweight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:42:04 2020 No.15976777 >>15976745 it sucks but on the other hand why would you care, just enjoy life or what is left of it, become fat a don't give s single fuck about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:46:14 2020 No.15976813 >>15976777 >become fat Deteriorate your quality of life, health and happiness.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:52:07 2020 No.15976871 >>15976813 >Deteriorates fix

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:55:56 2020 No.15976911 File: 39 KB, 340x587, PatRothfussGnome.JPG.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So... Has Rothfat been oficially cancelled?

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:56:13 2020 No.15976916

>>15976813
Not true unless you are talking obesity level fat. I guess you may see it differently, but as I get older things like fitness, appearance mean less and less to me, and eating good food and having long afternoon nap becoming more and more comfy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:59:53 2020 No.15976961 >>15976916 stop posting and finish the book, George

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:08:19 2020 No.15977043 >>15976916 I'm 31 years old, I have a wrestling background and I already think about such things as yoga, joint mobility, foam rolling, etc. Better to be an old man like this, to be honest https://youtube.com/watch?v=lETjlj7gE8M

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:10:03 2020 No.15977071 >>15974927 David Gemmell

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:12:45 2020 No.15977095 File: 100 KB, 1080x600, rothfuck.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15976911 Uh oh

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:20:20 2020 No.15977173 >>15976119 Lightbringer The Burning White The Summoner trilogy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:28:33 2020 No.15977260 >>15976119 see >>15974478

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:35:13 2020 No.15977346 >>15976595 >Sanderson Is that the guy who writes like he's describing a tv show?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:50:25 2020 No.15977520 >>15977071 Gemmell wasn't a subversive, edgy try-hard.

F B I Mon Jul 27 19:07:32 2020 No.15977699

>>15975558
>>15975868
Thank you for cooperating with us. You IP address, and thus your home address has been traced through your vpn by means of the CPU backdoor we have installed in all electronic devices. Expect a visit tomorrow.
Also don't try to hide at your friend Jake's house till this blows over, we are monitoring him too.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:17:07 2020 No.15977806

>>15975521
>>15975605
What you polcucks don't realize is that trannies are pollies too. Years ago I peeped in lgbt to see what the fuck they do in there, and saw nothing but maga slogans and "trannies 4 trump", and trannies talking about how they want a "red pilled pol bf to marry".
You cunts calling everyone else trannies not knowing your fellow polshits are closeted trannies who want "Aryan" bfs to bugger them and pay for their penis mutilation surgery.

Come back when you actually have books to discuss, preddy fed up of seeing dilate to anybody that doesn't group think with you mass shooters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:20:28 2020 No.15977837 >>15974927 Maybe Mark Lawrence (edgy YA tier shit) and the guy from The Red Knight series. Heroes Die was also pretty fun but it's kinda of a mix between SF and fantasy.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:24:22 2020 No.15977886
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>Wolf in Shadow (David Gemmell)
>Across the Nightingale Floor (Lian Hearn)
Both arriving tomorrow. Weird West versus Mythological Japan. Male versus Female. A book once read, now forgotten versus a new book entirely. Which should I read first?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:24:24 2020 No.15977890 >>15977806 >>>/lgbt/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:25:18 2020 No.15977901 File: 189 KB, 315x475, 828878.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm currently reading The People of the Black Circle and it's terrible, relatively speaking Any stories you fine chaps would recommend passing over?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:25:25 2020 No.15977902 >>15977886 >Weird West Wolf in Shadow isn't really Weird West. It is great though and the sequel is even better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:26:26 2020 No.15977918 >>15977901 Stick to Sanderson.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:27:46 2020 No.15977932 >>15977043 Damn. Those older women cunnies were running.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:28:58 2020 No.15977942 >>15977918 I'll stick it up your ass, rent boy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:36:58 2020 No.15978048 >>15977886 Is that a flintlock? If so, why does he have what looks like hollow point rounds on his bandolier?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:40:14 2020 No.15978084 Say what you will about Sanderson, but God-Emperor (or whatever he was called) spending his free time in a wooden hut built inside his palace was pretty based.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:40:20 2020 No.15978086 okay /sffg/, burned out my interest in DnD optimization for now. give me something new to obsess over for a while so I can keep my brain crunching numbers and solving problems

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:46:08 2020 No.15978159 >>15978048 The protag of the book doesn't use a flintlock at any point, but the setting is postapoc and guns are scarce so a flintlock or two show up now and then in the story.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:50:37 2020 No.15978201 >>15978086 Factorio

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:52:30 2020 No.15978222 >>15978086 Read any litrpg with "statistics", those were made for autists like you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:53:33 2020 No.15978235 >>15978159 >The protag of the book doesn't use a flintlock at any point Ah. The old publisher trick of showing shit on the cover that never happens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:56:25 2020 No.15978261 >>15974110 /lit/ has come to this

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:03:23 2020 No.15978349 >>15978235 Ehhhh it's not that disingenuous considering flintlock guns and modern bullets are in the story. It would have been more accurate if they had simply given him a pair of revolvers on the cover.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:05:42 2020 No.15978365 >>15978349 But you can't use modern bullets in a flintlock

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:11:33 2020 No.15978417 >>15975491 First law felt too much like a action movie script, it gets old fast

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:15:25 2020 No.15978452

>>15978365
I very much doubt that's what the artist was trying to imply. I hope that's not what he was trying to imply anyways. If you'd read the story you'd understand why it's not a big deal; people get their hands on whatever weapons they can so someone using a flintlock pistol while wearing a bandolier with some bullets in it is perfectly reasonable in the book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:19:26 2020 No.15978497 >>15977886 >no trigger discipline

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:30:45 2020 No.15978634 >>15977886 > Across the Nightingale Floor Whole book has that uncanny cringy feeling of someone who’s not Japanese writing japanese-ish culture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:47:48 2020 No.15978789 >>15977095 nothing more embarrassing than some rich old fuck who probably got her job from her parents making a big deal about "finally having enough"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:10:20 2020 No.15978949 >>15978789 Ah yes, the multimillionaire editors in SF publishing industry... Publishing used to be passed down from fathers to sons. Don't be an ignorant prick, you nihilistic zoomer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:03:56 2020 No.15979326 >>15978789 You don't know how stupid you sound right now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:16:41 2020 No.15979463 >>15976595 >Struggles to contain awesomeness I'm still not convinced he isn't a virgin

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:19:03 2020 No.15979474 >>15978789 >simping for Rothfuss dear oh dear

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:29:53 2020 No.15979565 >>15978789 You're one of those Rothfuss "damage control" cucks we heard about, aren't you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:15:25 2020 No.15979890 Sacklick Doofus lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:36:05 2020 No.15980023 So anything SF/Fantasy like 2nd apocalypse / the work of Peter watts. i want some based ass shit bois

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:45:25 2020 No.15980082 File: 20 KB, 324x400, Terry Chadkind.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Bow to your God literary-focused japanese image board!

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:12:26 2020 No.15980248

i had one of those ultrawoke far lefties as a prof in a class related to media's portrayal of gender/race. somewhere we brought up tolkien-related fantasy novels, and he seemed to have this idea he was working on about some racism or problem with LOTR/tolkien but i never picked his brain about it because i'd never read it at the time

now that I'm reading it, what the literal fuck are lefties talking about when they say Tolkien or LOTR are racist? Any dive into the material beyond a surface level I've done points entirely away from this idea. It seems like a symptom of their ideology to recontextualize this in a way that suits the narrative and paints Tolkien in a light like Lovecraft, but the two aren't even comparable as far as I can tell in their works.

Tolkien supposedly denounced aryan lineage, preventing The Hobbit from publication in Nazi Germany. Tolkien despised Nazi Germany, and had denied literally any attempt in his day to paint LOTR as deliberately referential to the outside world. as far as I can tell, the only time he concedes is the amount he disliked WWI that it may have reflected into the media or something like that.

i am beyond unexcited to go back to college

>>	Retard Tue Jul 28 00:18:25 2020 No.15980279 File: 547 KB, 905x644, PIGASSAULT.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Quick boys tell me whats the best coming of age fantasy book of all time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:24:35 2020 No.15980308 >>15980248 Yeah it's kind of surprising how nonracist Tolkien actually was for the time lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:27:06 2020 No.15980332 >>15980279 The New Testament

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:27:08 2020 No.15980334 >>15980279 Percy Jackson Septimus Heap Artemis Fowl

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:27:34 2020 No.15980338

>>15980248
>Tolkien supposedly denounced aryan lineage, preventing The Hobbit from publication in Nazi Germany. Tolkien despised Nazi Germany, and had denied literally any attempt in his day to paint LOTR as deliberately referential to the outside world. as far as I can tell, the only time he concedes is the amount he disliked WWI that it may have reflected into the media or something like that.
You are really dumb racist, saying straight white man of germanic origin denounced nazis is like saying a black man has denouced his african roots and his black skin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:32:42 2020 No.15980380 >>15980308 Tolkein was such a libtard asshat it’s no wonder people support him He also promotes race mixing between humans and superior race of elves...

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:34:07 2020 No.15980389

>>15980338
>You are really dumb racist

if criticizing far left ideologues rewriting history and assassinating a person's character while being a lefty myself is enough to make me a racist I guess I'm a slave owner

denouncing aryan shit 2 years before GB even entered WWII is decently significant to point out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:37:30 2020 No.15980411 >>15980308 It's easy to be non-racist when you live in a time where everyone looked exactly like you. Not only looked exactly like you, but were from the same cultural background and heritage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:38:01 2020 No.15980416 >>15980338 >a black man has denouced his african roots and his black skin. >He doesn't know about Uncle Ruckus

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:40:10 2020 No.15980430

>>15980248
Speaking as someone who get exposed to a lot of this, the only real problem most people on the left have with him is his handling of orcs, and I would argue that a lot of it is more the result of works and adaptations that came about after he was dead which make his version look bad by comparison.

In middle earth, orcs and goblins were degenerate elves rather than a naturally evil race, but most people are only familiar with the lord of the rings and the hobbit and as a result are not aware of that. In contrast, Gary Gygax made orcs a separate always-chaotic-evil race that only exist to be low-level grunts, which now even Wizards of the Coast are trying to change. However, the dnd version of the orcs stuck until the early 2000s when Warcraft started trying to change things by making the orcs a sympathetic people who were only brutal because they needed to survive. Where previously orcs were given a piglike appearance, Blizzard made their orcs more simian in nature and based them on african cultures, even making the original orcs black. This ended up being kind of mixed because on one hand they were sympathetic, but on the other they were kind of clumsy allegories for black people, which is where this whole "orcs are a metaphor for blacks" started. As a result, Blizzard's modification to the image of orcs ended up causing a chain reaction of retroactive racism through their entire media existence. I don't believe Tolkien is to blame, but the fact of his innocence is unfortunately too obscure for most people in the fantasy community.

Personally, talking this over is getting me a bit frustrated with blizzard for their carelessness. Incidentally, I'm really surprised we're not extending the same discussion to goblins, as they went thought the exact same evolutionary process but ended up jewish stereotypes instead

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:48:29 2020 No.15980504

>>15980430
>Warcraft started trying to change things by making the orcs a sympathetic people who were only brutal because they needed to survive.
my convo with the prof i mentioned actually began because I was talking about Warcraft

this seems to be the only modern problem I agree is an issue. Euro/English mythology has the main characters/race as white, whereas any draw on other cultures ends up becoming monsterous caricatures. I'd argue you can't even get as far as Scotland before they turn into stubby, drunken dwarves. Warcraft especially has Trolls as Jamaicans and shit like that.

My only gripe is how this is somehow reflected onto Tolkien, and worst of all by an educator.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:53:43 2020 No.15980544 >>15980248 >>15980430 >>15980504 hey man, cool it with the anti-semitic remarks

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:56:33 2020 No.15980572 File: 54 KB, 500x689, look-around-you-see-a-post-you-wonder-who-could-6274459.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15980544 >hey man, cool it with the anti-semitic remarks

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:58:13 2020 No.15980588

>>15980504
It's such an uncomfortable situation, but Tolkien's probably the only one in this scenario I'd say is innocent. Blizzard tried to do the right thing but did it badly, while Gygax actually was actually pretty racist in real life but all he did was parrot a common misunderstanding. You don't have anyone really satisfying to blame but tolkien's the oldest and neither he nor his son are around to defend him so they're taking the blame for their follower's mistakes

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 01:55:11 2020 No.15980957 >>15976911 Why wont people get off his case? It's not like you can force someone to create art if they dont have it in them anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 02:06:01 2020 No.15981013 >>15980957 finish the book, Patrick

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 02:20:35 2020 No.15981113 >>15980279 Dawn of Wonder, up until the last ten pages.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 02:26:10 2020 No.15981138 >>15975929 >MY FAVOURITE SERIES IS HARRY POTTER Whores like these need to be carbonized and hung from trees to serve as a warning to the coming generations.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 02:37:06 2020 No.15981178

>>15974021
Hello /ssfg/.

I am a fan of dark settings, whether that be in sci fi, fantasy, or whatever else.
I love things like Berserk, Dark Souls, and Chainsaw Man.

Are there any "dark" fiction novels you would reccomend me?
Are there any where the good still carries through despite the dark setting setting?
I've recently been craving a story such as this!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 02:39:22 2020 No.15981193 >>15981178 This feels like baitposting but have you tried the Black Company?

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 02:40:25 2020 No.15981200
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>>15975929
>Unashamedly prefers YA to anything else
>Doesn't get something = It must be bad
>Something that's spelt out for a toddler = Wow, this is so satisfying to read.
>Dear whatever series is mostly unhelpful and doesn't actually help anyone other than readers
>Review aren't really reviews, just a video of her verbalising emotions while reading the book.

She sucks, but she has tits so you guys must like her I guess.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 02:51:20 2020 No.15981260

>>15981193
>baitposting
Upon reflection, I did not mean for it to be so cringey.

>Black Company
I have not, but I appreciate the recommendation!
I am compiling a list of books in this kind of genre. With yours added, here is what I've discovered so far:
Heros Die
>The Spook's Apprentice
>Boats of the Glen Carrig
>Rendezvous with Rama
>The Night Land
>Black Company
Some of these I've found online, and others were in another thread.

I honestly don't read that often, but I'm hoping to change that starting with these semi-morbid stories.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 03:12:58 2020 No.15981378

>>15974679
I think he improves. I thoroughly enjoyed the Heroes and Best Served Cold, and most of all, Red Country because it's sort of a departure from the rest in that it has a happy ending. Sort of, anyway.

I've read the first book in the next trilogy and am eagerly awaiting the second.

>>15975491
Lazy worldbuilding aside, what's wrong with his characters and prose? He does great action pacing. Everyone is a weak, imperfect human being with an enormous amount of foibles, as they should be.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 03:22:22 2020 No.15981423 >>15981178 Here’s what you’re gonna do. You’re gonna stop being a bitch, you’re gonna sit down, read Bakker, and not come back to /sffg/ until you finish.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 03:27:25 2020 No.15981450 >>15974110 Anon is wrong. Way of King's is dope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 03:28:29 2020 No.15981459 >>15980279 Book of the New Sun

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 03:31:07 2020 No.15981473 >>15981260 You obviously like Hodgson, try House on the Borderland, it is (one of) the best horror novels ever written.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 03:57:45 2020 No.15981608 I'm almost tempted to make charts to explain the trainwreck of plotlines for The Liveship Traders. But that's too much effort. What a disappointment it was.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 04:30:25 2020 No.15981727 >>15981013 Can you imagine how poor the end result would be if you literally have to force every word on the page? Is that really what people want?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 04:59:37 2020 No.15981893 Red Wolf Conspiracy is comfy naval-fantasy.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:02:56 2020 No.15981901
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>>15976595
>>15976694
You can all say what you want, but I will always see Brandon as a phenomenal author and a trailblazing pioneer for other aspiring writers inside the sff community with functioning down syndrome

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:05:33 2020 No.15981916 >>15981608 >reading Hobb Only got your damn self to blame

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:06:27 2020 No.15981923 File: 147 KB, 630x1200, MV5BZGFlN2FhYTktZGYzNi00MzllLWFlOTAtY2ExNjRjZjhkZWM2XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTMxODk2OTU@._V1_UY1200_CR87,0,630,1200_AL_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What did /sffg/ think of this film?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:07:13 2020 No.15981928 >>15981901 More like Brandown Sanderson amirite?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:08:09 2020 No.15981932 >>15981923 I refuse to watch if until I read the books. I also have zero hope on Miyazaki's son.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:08:16 2020 No.15981933 >>15981923 Not quite top-tier Ghibli and the plot is a mess but looks gorgeous and worked well in the end

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:08:22 2020 No.15981935 >>15981916 All of your replies are so consistently nagging, that it's only annoying. Not funny. Ya nagsome bitch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:08:41 2020 No.15981938 >>15981923 ghibli pretty much turn anything they touch into something great. while this isnt peak gibli its not bad any any way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:11:26 2020 No.15981948 File: 57 KB, 770x897, thnking man.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15981935 I'm not whoever you think I am

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:13:35 2020 No.15981960

>>15981948
Yes you are. You're the guy who keeps going >reading hobb, everytime I post about hobb. This is like the third time you did it. I suspect you're the same faggot who keeps badgering about the books I skipped everytime I post my reading history. You use the same phrasing every time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:15:44 2020 No.15981971 >>15981960 No man, that's the other guy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:03:02 2020 No.15982173 File: 31 KB, 335x500, Eragon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15980279 The Inheritance Cycle

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:10:16 2020 No.15982208

>>15974021
just finished book 2 of the wheel of time, the great hunt. I found it really difficult to read through this one after finishing "The Eye of the World" like a month ago. The difference in pacing between the first 2/3rds of the book and the last act in both books is really frustrating to get through, the author spends the first 2/3rds just exposition dumping and describing travel and planting seeds for future books/later plot development, but it just feels like it drags on and I find it incredibly difficult to get through. The last 1/3rd of "EOTW" was exciting and fast paced, the first 50 pages or so of "The Great Hunt" were also really exciting but after that it was another 400 pages of exposition before getting back to the exciting bits. I really hope the formula of 400 pages of exposition and meandering followed by 200 pages of action and like 2 pages of fighting the dark one doesn't go on for the next 12 books. I really like the magic system, the characters(Perrin and Nynaeve in particular), and the scale of the world in general, I just wish the plot structure wasn't so formulaic. I'm going to start reading book 3 later today and will probably read something else after I finish it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:16:25 2020 No.15982230 >>15982173 You'd need a harpoon to catch the thing that bites this bait.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:26:14 2020 No.15982261

>>15974021

>>15974021

I just finished The Three Body Problem, didn't like the first 50% and I found it a little hard to remember who was who with all the chinese names, but once it gets all Sci-Fi-y it rocked my fucking socks. So good!
Holy shit the future technology was so crazy cool, anybody else read this? What did you think?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:32:13 2020 No.15982288 >>15982261 Lurk more muh man/practice better b9-1

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:36:30 2020 No.15982312 >>15982288 b9-1? Sorry never been on /lit/ but I heard the retards here are relatively less retarded, so I thought I'd give it a go.. So please educate me

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:45:32 2020 No.15982351 >>15982312 You sound very reddit

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:52:26 2020 No.15982372

>>15982351
Bruh my vernacular is none of your concern, can we talk about some fucking books or what?
You cum guzzling waldo fucker.

Anyway The Three Body Problem?
Fuckin supercomplex computers on a single atom? Stretched through other dimensions?

I didn't study physics, but I definitely felt like I learned about, you know, science fiction

Any other good hard sci fi books you cats can recommend?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:59:00 2020 No.15982390 >>15982372 Book of the New Sun. Don't post here again until you've read it

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:11:29 2020 No.15982434
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Asked this in the last thread but got no response.
Spoilers for Blindsight and Echopraxia:
Is there any evidence in Blindsight for the idea presented in Echopraxia that Siri (the Siri narrating Blindsight from his coffin) may be an alien construct? If that were the case it would mean the entire novel Blindsight was from the perspective of an alien pretending to be Siri. I just read both back to back and I don't recall anything of that nature, though I of course wasn't looking for it. Nothing stands out to me in hindsight either (not even some moment that hints to a replacement occurring), so I'm wondering if this is something the author came up with after the fact.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:20:41 2020 No.15982463 So I kinda forgot about it, what are Pratchett's best book according to /sffg/? I prefer when he makes fun of fantasy tropes

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:25:28 2020 No.15982479 >>15982463 Pratchett was talentless hack, his books are junk and reading them is wasting time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:27:42 2020 No.15982490 >>15982479 wind your neck in

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:29:35 2020 No.15982493 File: 39 KB, 636x651, fuel scoop active.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15982463 Small Gods or Guard, Guards. If anyone tells you it's Night Watch or Going Postal you can put them and their shit opinion straight into the trash

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:32:46 2020 No.15982509 >>15982479 Gently end your life. >>15982493 It's Guards, Guards or Equal Rites

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:41:29 2020 No.15982551 >>15982230 Fuck off anon it's a timeless classic that served as the blueprint for the third Star Wars trilogy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:42:55 2020 No.15982557 >>15982312 "b8". Bait. TBP is alright but it's hated on /sffg/ because it started everything that's wrong with mainstream SF/F (see the whole sad puppies/rabid puppies debacle). >>15982479 Why are there so many contrarian drones itt...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:53:26 2020 No.15982604 >>15981178 Try the Witcher short stories

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:56:17 2020 No.15982614

>>15982557
Read whatever you want. You don't have to listen to anyone. I don't have negative fellings towards writers except Pratchett. His books are unoriginal, not that funny and it's almost the same thing over and over again.
But again, I'm not contrartian, just don't like that guy. Deal with that faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:00:27 2020 No.15982637 >>15982509 >Equal Rites Niggawatt

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:08:34 2020 No.15982686 >>15980389 >if criticizing far left ideologues rewriting history Like The United Daughters of the Confederacy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:15:25 2020 No.15982733 >>15981138 >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:20:09 2020 No.15982760 >>15981378 >Everyone is a weak, imperfect human being with an enormous amount of foibles, as they should be. >he reads fantasy to experience real life

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:25:23 2020 No.15982794

>>15981608
Can you stop posting about hobb, you fucking bitch. I told you to don't come here and whin you fucking daft faggot. You sowed your field, now reap the benefits.

>>15981935
It's not meant to be funny faggot. I'm fed up of contrary cunts like you doing something "to show you can't order me", only to come back and cry about my warnings were correct.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:25:52 2020 No.15982795 >>15982733 How will he ever recover

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:25:57 2020 No.15982797 >>15982733 >>>/r9k/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:29:55 2020 No.15982828 >>15982372 The fractal Prince series. A few Richard Morgan's books like alerted carbon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:31:53 2020 No.15982834 So what's the consensus about Prince of Thorns by Mark Lawrence? It would be not bad page-turner but why main guy must be 14? He's just some uppity Gary Stu incel kid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:33:01 2020 No.15982838 >>15982557 >Why are there so many contrarian drones itt >I am God >I'm all that matters in the universe >if someone doesn't have an opinion that matches mine or like what I like, they are contrarian

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:33:48 2020 No.15982847 >>15982834 It's barely-readable "2edgy6me" schlock written by someone who got rejected from writing Rick and Morty drafts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:36:02 2020 No.15982860 >>15982797 So telling someone who wants to lynch someone to go to pol makes me a robot?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:39:47 2020 No.15982877 >>15982860 >implying /r9k/ is robots any more... It makes you a simp. >>15982838 cringe

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:46:42 2020 No.15982905 >>15982479 Hello, based department?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:49:46 2020 No.15982922 >>15982834 Tried reading the first book the other day and its so edgy I laughed. Stopped reading when he indiscriminately started killing his own soldiers for nothing and nobody gave a shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:55:47 2020 No.15982955 >>15982794 It has nothing to do with you one way or another. You're so vain, you think I read a book to spite you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:12:37 2020 No.15983033 >>15982493 I've read both already, anything else?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:13:04 2020 No.15983034 >>15980380 based

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:22:49 2020 No.15983068 >>15982509 I only just realized that it's a play on 'equal rights'. I just never took the time to think about the title before.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:26:34 2020 No.15983091 >>15983068 Anon, Im sorry to tell you but you're a little retard. But that's ok.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:32:55 2020 No.15983132

>>15983091
English isn't my first language and I learned it by reading, so I don't know all the pronunciations. I think I knew those particular pronunciations even back then, but when reading English I don't subvocalize the words, so it makes such jokes less obvious to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:37:37 2020 No.15983157 >>15983068 lol read red mars some time anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:39:11 2020 No.15983167 >>15982834 It's good, almost everyone mad at it stops too early for it to pull off what the narrative is pretty obviously setting up

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:41:11 2020 No.15983177 >>15983167 Why did he start indiscriminately killing his own soldiers and why nobody gave a shit about it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:42:49 2020 No.15983187 >>15981608 if you thought that was shit, read the rain wilds, they're even worse

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:44:28 2020 No.15983198 >>15982834 It's laughably terrible

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:45:13 2020 No.15983205 >>15983177 Because he is not a Generic Hero, he is a Fully Fleshed Character with Complexities.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:47:09 2020 No.15983219 >>15983205 What were the complexities that made him start indiscriminately killing his own soldiers?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:48:00 2020 No.15983223 >>15978086 Read Delve.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:49:47 2020 No.15983230

>>15976595
Majority of selling books is having other people think the books are popular and important to read. Sanderson said that he didn't make much money early on in the States, but he sold the bulk of his world internationally. The publishing system then sank more money into his novels, as well as Sanderson himself being a diehard marketer who would drive around with his publisher going from store to store to build a fanbase.

People care about the words in the book, eventually, I'm sure. But, as I've heard from Sanderson himself, a book can fail to sell just because people don't like the author's name. It happens a lot in the publishing industry.

It's gotten to the point where I think, from what I've read about the publishing industry, is that there's way more people who like buying and owning the 'newest books' rather than reading them. They feel smart, it allows them to put something in a bookcase.

Video games are the same. Most people barely play them, they don't have time, but they can still spend a lot of money on the game because they happen to have spare income.

'Writing quality' and editing is, I think, actually a niche interest when it comes to books. There are book readers, then there are book readers with standards.

I wonder what it says about the people who have high enough standards to judge an average popular fantasy book's writing, but will still read works on that level, rather than moving on to the high art worthy of their attention?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:50:21 2020 No.15983235 >>15983219 Idiocy one assumes

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:53:23 2020 No.15983251

>>15982834
>that time he starts killing his own men
>he's a 15 year old twink, they're massive veterans
>he's also leading them because why not
>that time he convinces an AI to kill itself
>that time he sets off a nuke by starting a fire
>that time a wizard tries to read his mind and he out-edges the wizard with his massive edginess
>that time you meet his dad who's an elderly edgelord
>that time you meet his future love interest who's a massive edgelady herself

It's funny stupid

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 10:10:20 2020 No.15983341 >>15982828 >>15982390 Gonna do it, thanks!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 10:56:27 2020 No.15983653 >>15983132 Ok

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 10:57:52 2020 No.15983666 >>15983230 >a book can fail to sell just because people don't like the author's name That's true. I refuse to read books by anyone named Keith.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 11:29:06 2020 No.15983890 >>15983666 I refuse to read books by anyone who has a name indicating they are female.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 11:54:42 2020 No.15984064 >>15983890 What about ambiguous names like Kim?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 12:03:08 2020 No.15984120 >>15983890 Le ebin incel man

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 12:04:31 2020 No.15984131 >>15984120 Maybe if I read more female authors, women would open their holes for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 12:14:50 2020 No.15984213 >>15984131 Only you sexless weirdos think everything in life is sex-related.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 12:16:31 2020 No.15984224 >read a book with a good magic system >now struggling to tolerate weaker ones this is why you should keep magic ambiguous desu

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 12:20:50 2020 No.15984251 I've only read Lord of The Rings and Hitchhikers Guide. Now what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 12:23:27 2020 No.15984261 >>15984213 You're the one who called me an incel.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 12:30:33 2020 No.15984307 >>15984251 The Stormlight Archive is very popular.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 12:49:46 2020 No.15984461 >>15976595 A girl cornered me in the bookstore and insisted I read Sanderson.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 13:20:06 2020 No.15984684 >>15982208 It gets better but then it gets worse and in the final books it gets alright

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 13:25:41 2020 No.15984740 File: 101 KB, 297x475, 36510759.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Will I like this? I liked Rifters and Blindopraxia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 14:01:21 2020 No.15985044 Do you always finish the books you read or is it okay to quit if you realise it isn't great? I'm about a 100/350-370 pages in to my current book but I don't think I can finish it right now, it's that boring

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 14:05:03 2020 No.15985068 >>15982463 Guards, Guards Small Gods All if the witch books MORT

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 14:21:23 2020 No.15985186 >>15985044 >100/350-370 pages what?

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 14:23:35 2020 No.15985206
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I started a new sffg Discord because the current one is run by an obese Mexican transexual who bans anyone who disagrees with his politics. Uncucked /sffg/ Discord:

https://discord.gg/FXDaKEy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 15:09:46 2020 No.15985606 >>15982877 >simp not even him, but go back to r*ddit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 15:13:28 2020 No.15985638 >>15976961 kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 15:25:42 2020 No.15985754 >>15974846 God I hate faggots so much. I really wish I hadn’t been watching gay porn since 6th grade. I also want to feel repulsed but i just get boners

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 15:27:26 2020 No.15985774 >>15975152 Holy shit is this true?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 15:28:21 2020 No.15985784 >>15980572 t. newfag

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 15:30:29 2020 No.15985797 >>15975558 That scene in song of Susannah (I think it was or maybe the next one) where he’s giving the guy his own pov was one of the cringiest boomer things I’ve ever read

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 15:37:12 2020 No.15985842 Toss a coin to your Witcher, o valley of plenty

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 15:37:15 2020 No.15985843 >>15977901 Guys is this collection edited or abridged in any way to, idk, censor certain shit or block redpills? I just have no way of finding this out (google won’t tell)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 15:42:52 2020 No.15985886 >>15980338 Some one post the Jewish quote If no one will he basically said he wishes he was Jewish white pepo suck and Jews have high iqs and ROCK He’s totally denounced his shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:04:00 2020 No.15986041 >>15985068 I take you like witches' books, how come? Are the lastest books in the discworld saga as good as the initial ones?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:07:01 2020 No.15986057 >>15986041 very last books suffer a little bit because Terry had full on alzheimer's by that point and had to basically relearn stuff as he went but the ones right before that feature some of his strongest writing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:19:21 2020 No.15986132 >>15985206 >discord ngmi

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:24:12 2020 No.15986150 Anyone know some decent indepedent sci-fi review blogs?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:42:32 2020 No.15986295 File: 706 KB, 1125x1598, 9589F462-CA15-4D84-9F9F-9863868557D5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15980338 >>15985886

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:44:03 2020 No.15986308 >>15981923 Not that good, basically what I’ve realized is that anything that’s not princess M isn’t that good

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:46:47 2020 No.15986335 >>15985044 Quit while you're ahead anon. Time is your most valuable resource, don't waste it reading bad books.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:49:19 2020 No.15986352 >>15974021 LOL did you draw that ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:55:21 2020 No.15986395 >>15980430 >>15980248 that's good and all but it's the wrong angle; you shouldn't bother arguing about which author was or wasn't racist because it doesn't matter

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:55:38 2020 No.15986400 File: 90 KB, 650x650, 1330001431103.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15976595 Holy shit that's atrocious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:59:00 2020 No.15986427 >>15986352 Filenames exist. Read them.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:00:01 2020 No.15986438

>>15986041
I like the witch books because he uses them to explore some of the tropes involved with fairytale. The witches series has a darker tone than many of the other discworld books, dealing with some of the darker aspects of life. Granny Weatherwax and Nanny Ogg are two of his best characters. The last books definitely suffered from his illness, but most of the witch books were fairly early in publishing order.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:07:25 2020 No.15986501 File: 195 KB, 653x1000, 711GdZQ13ML.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] well this was bloody awful

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:09:23 2020 No.15986514 >Favorite author dead or dying What's some fantasy that will lighten my mood and isn't Pratchett?

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:10:24 2020 No.15986524
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>>15980389
>>15980416
>>15985886
>>15986295
Max kek. How clueless can you be. When a white man denounces his whiteness niggers and so called minorities do not care, they still see him as a white man, he could be a saint who abolished slavery but minorities will continue hating because he is straight white man, that is his crime.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:13:20 2020 No.15986551
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I just realized that in Horton heard a who, it's a Karen that wants to have her way, and impose her views on other people. She riled up the neighborhood to form a lynch mob against a guy who was just doing his own thing.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:14:24 2020 No.15986556

So I'm reading Dune (maybe halfway into the second one), and is the writing just kinda really autistic? Like genuinely on the spectrum, it's the only way to describe it. Obsessed with meaningless details and with building such complex nonsense systems it has to constantly explain the minutiae of everything. And being utterly afraid of the reader not getting every possible little nuance of the prose or dialogue so the characters are constantly internally monologuing or explaining what they are thinking or feeling at any given moment. There's not one character interaction that's allowed to have some subtext or ambiguity. It's very exhausting to read and feels like Herbert thinks I'm as incapable of reading people as he is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:15:59 2020 No.15986573 >>15986556 it's just unedited (it was published by a company that printed car repair manuals after everyone else rejected it) if herbert got someone else on board earlier in the writing that all could have been ironed out

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:17:11 2020 No.15986581 >David Eddings and his wife were put in jail for keeping their adopted son locked up in a cage in the basement What are some other interesting facts about sffg authors?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:18:59 2020 No.15986597 >>15986524 >minorities DC is majority black

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:20:19 2020 No.15986607 >>15986295 Literally a self hating edgy SJW before it was popular First World War was regretable that’s why another one is needed !

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:21:04 2020 No.15986613 >>15986607 Tolkien wasn't self-hating at all, idiot

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:21:23 2020 No.15986618 >>15975760 kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:27:15 2020 No.15986664 What are some good /sffg/ books where it immediately places you into the action rather than doing maybe 100 pages of tedious build up? I don't want to read A New Hope wannabes

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:29:58 2020 No.15986682 >>15974021 i live in ex-yu which is a shithole where nothing is available where do i get some arthurian romance books and the like i can read english and refuse to stoop down on level of ebooks

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:30:25 2020 No.15986685 >>15986682 read ebooks poorfag

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:36:29 2020 No.15986728 >>15986682 Mobilism.org

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:45:44 2020 No.15986801 >>15986597 heh, white people are like 8% of world population but we are still a majority because the non white minority like their free gibs so much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:52:35 2020 No.15986849 >>15986682 >Poor and slav. Severely mentally and materially handicapped but wishes to handicap himself even more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:55:02 2020 No.15986868 >>15986849 >>15986685 money is irrelevant and i would prefer to never read a book in my life to lowering myself to the level of an ebook reddit basedlord

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:05:48 2020 No.15986956

Christianity and Socialism Compared

Socialism is the antithesis of Christianity. Socialism is filled with elitists and Christianity is the faith of servants.

Socialism is filled with submission to man. Christianity is submission to the God/man - Jesus Christ.

The socialist lives under strong delusion. Christians are taught by the Holy Spirit who deals only in truth.

Socialism will die with time and it's fall will be a blip on the radar of eternity. Those who die advocating socialism will suffer the wrath of a holy God forever. Christianity will stand forever and its adherents will live on in the presence of the absolute ruler of the universe in joy and peace forever.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:11:28 2020 No.15987000

>>15986868
>doesn't known where to "get" (buy?) books
>knows what subject he's into but too dumb to find book titles on Wikipedia
>doesn't want to read ebooks
>admits he doesn't read books and would be willing to never read
>he thinks what makes someone Reddit is the format, not the content or his way of thinking
Imagine being so confident in your own retardation. Stick to videogames.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:13:07 2020 No.15987017 >>15986956 Not sure why you're posting that boring shit here but christianity had 2000 years and they never produced a song that bangs as much as the internationale. Doesn't seem like a good prognosis for the future

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:15:17 2020 No.15987039 >>15986956 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:17:52 2020 No.15987064 >>15987000 >he thinks what makes someone Reddit is the format, not the content or his way of thinking this sentence alone makes you ultra reddit and btw i know where to buy books, im just being butthurt that i cant find certain ones

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:21:50 2020 No.15987107 >ctrl+f >no mentions of Samuel Delany what's the matter, /sffg/? afraid of good science fiction?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:23:19 2020 No.15987119 >>15987107 he's a pedophile and worse, a nigger

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:26:56 2020 No.15987149 >>15987107 Read Hogg, then come back to us. Delany is on the Avoid Chart, if you want.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:28:06 2020 No.15987163 >>15987149 >read his good stuff and get back to us

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:29:58 2020 No.15987179 >>15986501 Bro, Joe Abercrombie even put his name on it so you knew it would be awful without having to read it, why did you read it?

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:30:08 2020 No.15987183

>>15987149

I wrote a final paper for a course on Hogg, actually. It's a brutal, awful book, and an expression of rage from pre-Stonewall America. But the writing is beautiful.

Are we condemning writers for depicting awful events in their writing, or have we moved beyond high school?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:31:10 2020 No.15987195 >>15987149 Oh you think Nabokov is good? Read Lolita, then come back to us.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:32:18 2020 No.15987207 >>15987183 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7170128-babyfucker

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:37:59 2020 No.15987254 >>15987207 [Ma Chans Daily Life Flashback Intensifies]

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:38:29 2020 No.15987258

>>15983230
>I wonder what it says about the people who have high enough standards to judge an average popular fantasy book's writing, but will still read works on that level, rather than moving on to the high art worthy of their attention?
People with self esteem issues, is my guess. They don't want to be challenged, they just want to enjoy the feeling of superiority they get talking down to others and criticizing genre fiction. Their criticism is wasted though, they're not going to form a discourse on fantasy, nor are their remarks going to have any impact on the genre since the vast majority of readers simply do not care about the flaws they expound endlessly on.

I ultimately chalk it up to just another niche subset of genre fans who have found an unconventional way to enjoy the genre: by pretending to be critics of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:43:17 2020 No.15987294 >>15987254 it's aaaaaawwwwwrrright

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:44:17 2020 No.15987302 >>15987294 MODSS

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:47:51 2020 No.15987328 how did this entire fandom get taken over by far-left nutjobs

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:50:23 2020 No.15987344 >>15987328 we've always been here but don't feel the need to overtly politicspost all the time

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:55:33 2020 No.15987399 >>15987328 how did this entire board get taken over by far-right nutjobs

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:57:50 2020 No.15987425 >>15987328 Real men stopped reading

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:58:03 2020 No.15987427 >>15987328 Always has been, it's just they finally decided to try getting rid of everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:59:07 2020 No.15987436 >>15987328 SF&F has always been home to fringe politics. The awards committees have traditionally been more leftist than anything else, but it's gotten particularly bad lately.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 19:01:00 2020 No.15987448

>>15987328
They've always been there, but they've got more vocal and more influential over time and drove other political beliefs out of the institutions the genre depends on. Time was cranks like Le Guin were seen as eccentric, their politics tolerated, not really celebrated, but now she'd be considered a moderate by the current establishment of publishing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 19:03:22 2020 No.15987463 >>15987436 >SF&F has always been home to fringe politics. I wouldn't say that, it was a reflection of the working class until around the 1980s

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 19:14:33 2020 No.15987553 >>15987328 >they still don't know science fiction is inherently leftist you guys are kinda slow huh

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 19:27:27 2020 No.15987681 >>15987553 fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 19:29:00 2020 No.15987692 >>15987553 Really fuck off, if you want to say "Progress and the desire for the future" is inherently leftist than all fantasy is right wing, that is not the case. Not everything is political you fucking piece of shit.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:11:10 2020 No.15987992

>>15987692

of course everything is political dumbass. Our view of the world informs our politics, and literature informs our view of the world.

and yes, a lot of mainstream fantasy lit *is* inherently reactionary. China Mieville is a notable exception, but that's because he understands history as a material process

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:12:11 2020 No.15987997 >>15987992 now THIS is cringeposting

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:16:04 2020 No.15988013 >>15987997 >i-it's cringe! Im not owned! Im not owned! grow up anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:17:00 2020 No.15988019 >>15988013 Leftists don't own anything, that's why they're Leftists.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:17:53 2020 No.15988025 >>15988013 dial 8 and don't forget to wear your face muzzle, faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:19:30 2020 No.15988035 >>15987992 >of course everything is political dumbass. Yea i totally remember the restaurant I ate in asking my if i was a right winger before serving me. Oh wait that doesn't happen. Fuck off you fucking ideologue.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:20:27 2020 No.15988044 >>15988035 lol what does this even mean

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:22:04 2020 No.15988053 >>15988035 >>15988019 they had an argument that was very easy to refute and you two just turned into slobbering retards instead lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:22:27 2020 No.15988058 WE NEED A NEW THREAD!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:23:33 2020 No.15988071 >>15988053 >triggered leftist What's wrong kid? Distraught over the Rothfuss news?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:24:41 2020 No.15988080 >>15988044 >>15988053 If you are a retard with 0 reading comprehension skills that is your problem. You calling everything political is fallacious, and only a brainwashed puppet would believe this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:25:32 2020 No.15988087 >>15988071 rothfuss is a lib why would a leftist have any allegiance to him lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:26:30 2020 No.15988091 >>15988080 what does politics mean mr. reading comprehension

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:27:55 2020 No.15988102 >>15988087 >"I-I'm a Commie not a Libshit!" Stfu you Commie scum the "Libs" are just Leftists who actually have money and stuff to lose, unlike you loser.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:28:26 2020 No.15988109

>>15988091
The activities associated with the governance of a country or area, especially the debate between parties having power.

Activities aimed at improving someone's status or increasing power within an organization.

According to the oxford dictionary you fucking subversive faggot.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:31:04 2020 No.15988123

>>15987992
>of course everything is political dumbass.
I forgot people decided that living in a society is impossible if you have different ideas.
I guess separating your believes form the work you do or form certain social spheres i now not allowed or something.
Next time I see will be sure to bash your face in a leave a bloody pulp as the new societal rules dictate, since you are a filthy commie.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:33:58 2020 No.15988142 >>15986524 This is very true

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:35:06 2020 No.15988149 >>15988109 huh I wonder how those ideas are affected by imagining a progressive future, or a nostalgic yearning for the past probably no relation you're right anon

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:36:02 2020 No.15988152

Reading lord of the mysteries and I can see why it's so big, translation's a bit rough and the pacing is a bit slow but the world built is fantastic.
Kinda interesting to see a bit of a cultural reverse with a chinese writer obsessed with victorian england. Interestingly enough there was a chapter which had some real echoes of the Poor Law Report and Engles' Conditions of the Working Class in England, so even though it's a powerup fantasy the author couldn't resist addressing why their fictional society was so unequal.
Biggest complaint is that all the food descriptions are making me hungry lol.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:36:58 2020 No.15988159 >>15988152 shut up commie

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:37:24 2020 No.15988164 >>15988149 Not the definition faggot. If you are writing fiction that is not a propaganda piece you are by definition not engaging in politics. Now fuck off with your changing of definitions in order to fit you narrative.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:38:08 2020 No.15988170 >>15988159 Nothing in that post is explicitly communist lol, any history student in england will study that area of our past.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:38:26 2020 No.15988173 >>15988159 Nice false flag nigger. You will get the rope one day.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:39:15 2020 No.15988185 >>15988170 >>15988173 shut up commies

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:39:29 2020 No.15988187

>>15988164
>If you are writing fiction that is not a propaganda piece you are by definition not engaging in politics.
So your argument is that all fiction is only influenced by the writer on the level of deliberate choices?
That nothing a writer puts into a work is done either subconsciously or influenced by the time and society from which they are writing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:41:40 2020 No.15988206 >>15988164 sure it is. If you prefer I can say "is relevant to politics" instead of "is political," but that's just semantics. Presenting a certain image of the future is inherently relevant to politics. it's time to leave middle school anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:42:27 2020 No.15988214 >>15988206 return to your discord, tranny

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:42:45 2020 No.15988219

>>15988187
>So your argument is that all fiction is only influenced by the writer on the level of deliberate choices?
NO I never said that.
>That nothing a writer puts into a work is done either subconsciously or influenced by the time and society from which they are writing?
That is not the definition of politics you fucking cunt look at the definition before you try to paint an narrative in order to excuse your blatant propaganda pieces as good fictional literature while denouncing everything that isn't.
FUCK OFF!

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:45:14 2020 No.15988240

>>15988206
>sure it is. If you prefer I can say "is relevant to politics" instead of "is political," but that's just semantics.
It's not just semantics i could say everything is a recipe because everything can and is related to cooking therefore all books most include accurate measurements of ingredient and cooking times.

or are you saying "That nothing a writer puts into a work is done either subconsciously or influenced by from what he eat and what he was nurtured on while and before they were writing writing?"

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:47:19 2020 No.15988257

Perhaps totally unrelated, but I don't want to create a thread just for this. Has anyone played either Planescape: Torment or Tormen Tides of Numenara? I keep hearing about how they (especially the former) have the best writing of any games. That their narratives are masterworks of science fiction and fantasy in general, not just in games. I have a 20usd gift card for Steam and am considering buying both of them, to see if indeed it is as good as I keep reading it is. Has anybody here played any of those? Is the writing and story really that good? Or is it just that most people that play it have probably never read a good sf book?

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:48:46 2020 No.15988268

>>15988240
>everything is related to cooking

yeah but that's not really true

but presenting a possible future (or imagined past) is the basis of a lot of political thinking. If you want to read or write science fiction or fantasy this is inescapable. Sorry anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:51:33 2020 No.15988291 >>15988257 lol avoid that cashgrab Numenera trash Planescape: Torment is pretty good, I'd say it compares well to most fantasy novels

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:53:33 2020 No.15988311

>>15988268
>yeah but that's not really true
It is as true as everything is related to politics even more so. Humans needed cooking in order to sanitize their food since before the hierarchical structure no biologically embedded in humans came to fruition.
>but presenting a possible future (or imagined past) is the basis of a lot of political thinking.
Is also the basis for a lot of recipes olden recipes with certain tools not available to them and the future in which new tools. The depiction of alien crops, the cooking of ancient meats. You see you need to live that middle school thinking behind, everything is connected to cooking If you want to read or write science fiction or fantasy this is inescapable. Sorry anon.
And those who don't properly write the measurements you are simply not writing properly. No to be an uneducated bigot in 2020.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:54:03 2020 No.15988317

>>15988257
Planescape's good but from what I remember it used to be easier to pirate/gog it and install compatibility patches/mods than to buy it on steam. Might have changed now.
You want to play with a high WIS build as that affects dialogue but it really is worth it. It compares quite well with the attempts at philosophical fantasy that I've read.
>>15988240
Anon as a little experiment try to imagine a work of scifi or fantasy that doesn't have a society in it. That's the only way to create a work bereft of politics. For what separates one fictional society from another but their political realities.

Even a story of a lone pov character on their own has political elements if that character comes from a society that exists elsewhere in the universe of the story because the thinking processes of that character will be influenced by the society from whence they came.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:55:52 2020 No.15988325 >>15988291 >>15988317 Thanks, I'll grab Planescape then

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:57:15 2020 No.15988336

>>15988317
>Anon as a little experiment try to imagine a work of scifi or fantasy that doesn't have food in it. That's the only way to create a work bereft of cooking. For what separates one fictional society from another but their culinary preferences.
>Even a story of a lone pov character on their own has cooking elements if that character needs to eat in anyway, even if they exist elsewhere in the universe of the story because the thinking processes of that character will be influenced by the food the consume.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:59:01 2020 No.15988342 >>15988317 the depiction of a society doesn't need to be explicitly political

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:01:02 2020 No.15988360 >>15988342 describe a society, any society, real or fictional, that isn't "explicitly political"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:02:08 2020 No.15988367 >>15988360 Describe a person any person real or fictional that is not involved with food.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:02:50 2020 No.15988376 >>15988360 The Shire

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:03:11 2020 No.15988378 >>15988360 Any sort of pre-civilizational tribe is inherently a political and only concerned with it's survival.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:04:14 2020 No.15988388

>>15988336

anon this isn't the own you think it is

If your argument is "you can analyze any work of fiction from the perspective of food" then, you know, you can, it's just often not very interesting

you can also analyze any work of fiction from the perspective of politics. that's just the one that seems to make kids like you buttmad

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:05:29 2020 No.15988400 >>15988388 >you can also analyze any work of fiction from the perspective of politics. you can, doesn't mean you should

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:06:07 2020 No.15988406

>>15988388
>then, you know, you can, it's just often not very interesting
>you can also analyze any work of fiction from the perspective of politics.
Just because you can doesn't make it inherently political, just as it isn't inherently a recipe. Again see the definition.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:06:17 2020 No.15988407

>>15988376

This is a terrible example. The Shire is explicitly based on agrarian pre-modern British country life. It literally took me less than 10 seconds to find an academic article on the political ramifications of Tolkien's Shire

https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/abs/10.3366/ink.2013.3.1.3?journalCode=ink

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:06:39 2020 No.15988410 >>15988360 the hundred acre wood

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:07:47 2020 No.15988417 The thread needs to lie fallow for a couple days.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:08:20 2020 No.15988421 >>15988407 >The Shire is explicitly based on agrarian pre-modern British country life. It isn't, it's just an idealized view of Tolkien's childhood home

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:09:04 2020 No.15988423

>>15988388
>>15988406
Every book is a recipe the same way every book is political. In other words, only if you change the meaning of the concepts you can get them to fit.
This shit "every book is political " is sued on order to complain about book that try to avoid it and people who don't like propaganda in their books.You either start complaining about the lack or proper measurements and cooking times on all books or you are a hypocrite.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:09:52 2020 No.15988428

>>15988336
There's a whole school of historical study that analyses it via the agriculture of the period.
You can apply this to literature but it doesn't tend to discover any impact upon the work unless the author is specifically writing a story where food and/or food supply are plot points.

The reason "everything is political" contrasts with this is because you can almost always learn something about a work by examining the politics presented within it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:10:35 2020 No.15988436

>>15988400

ok well that's not the argument dummy

>>15988406

"a recipe" is a specific form. It's easy to tell if something is or is not a recipe.

"a political thing" is anything which relates to politics. If you admit we can analyze any work of fiction politically, then you admit fiction is inherently political.

if you wanna keep playing, we can say all works of fiction are culinary, too, but that doesn't piss anyone off on internet forums

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:10:56 2020 No.15988440 >>15988428 >The reason "everything is political" contrasts with this is because you can almost always learn something about a work by examining the politics presented within it. nothing particularly useful most of the time

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:11:07 2020 No.15988441 >>15987463 >it was a reflection of the working class until around the 1980s this is a joke right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:11:07 2020 No.15988442 >>15981178 Book of The New Sun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:11:32 2020 No.15988446 owning the commies who talk about sickles and the conquest of bread by suggesting food is important

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:12:13 2020 No.15988449 >>15988436 >If you admit we can analyze any work of fiction politically, then you admit fiction is inherently political. No, it just makes your interpretation political, the work of art is free of your retardation

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:12:16 2020 No.15988450

>>15988428
>You can apply this to literature but it doesn't tend to discover any impact upon the work unless the author is specifically writing a story where food and/or food supply are plot points.
That is simply because you are uneducated and bigoted.
>The reason "everything is political" contrasts with this is because you can almost always learn something about a work by examining the politics presented within it.
You can learn a lot by the food and recipes present in a book only those who are closed minded can't see it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:12:30 2020 No.15988455 >>15988421 >It isn't, it's just an idealized view of Tolkien's childhood home jesus fucking christ I wonder what happens if I google where Tolkien's childhood home was holy fuck you people are dense

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:13:51 2020 No.15988461 >>15988449 >books exist prior to our interpretation of them anon please i'm begging you to stop posting

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:14:05 2020 No.15988463 >>15988450 The history of the world in 100 dishes or something is a book

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:15:07 2020 No.15988470 >>15988450 you're trying to own me by agreeing with me but more vehemently

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:15:30 2020 No.15988474 >>15988461 My interpretation is different to yours, thus all fiction is not political take your totalitarian nonsense somewhere else, nobody here buys it

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:16:29 2020 No.15988480

>>15988436
>"a recipe" is a specific form. It's easy to tell if something is or is not a recipe.
Ok
>"a political thing" is anything which relates to politics.
YOU are a lying piece of shit who does not deserve the time i spent arguing this is the last you I will give you
http://www.lexico.com/en/definition/politics
>>15988109
the definition of politics is not what you say it is. or we can call the book a "recipe thing" and use the same "definition" as anything related to food.
> If you admit we can analyze any work of fiction politically, then you admit fiction is inherently political.
>>15988428
>but that doesn't piss anyone off on internet forums
Because people aren't trying to force recipes into books that have nothing to do with it

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:18:19 2020 No.15988491 >>15988470 I'm parodying your points. If you can't see the ridiculousness of what I'm saying you are beyond salvation

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:18:42 2020 No.15988494 >>15988441 >he doesn't know that before snooty sci-fi took over sci-fi was largely written for the working class which showed up in pulp magazines

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:18:45 2020 No.15988495 hang all leftists

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:19:01 2020 No.15988499 >>15988480 anon no one is saying books are politics. Linking online dictionaries is not helping your case. We're saying books are political. What does your online dictionary say about the word "political"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:19:46 2020 No.15988504 >>15988441 it was pulp stuff, most of the authors came from lower class background compared to the middle class literary writers

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:22:24 2020 No.15988526

>>15988499
>books are politics.
>anon no one is saying books are politics.
>We're saying books are political.
I'm not saying books are recipes I'm saying books are related to food (or recipeical)

ALso
adj. Of, relating to, or dealing with the structure or affairs of government, politics, or the state.
adj. Relating to, involving, or characteristic of political parties or politicians.
adj. Interested or active in politics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:23:01 2020 No.15988528 >>15988494 Pulp sci-fi was a huge genre, but saying that's all sci-fi was before 1980 is pretty reductive. The writers who invented science fiction (H.G. Wells and Jules Verne most notably) were not working class.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:23:25 2020 No.15988532 >>15988499 >We're saying books are political. And what authority do you have? Many writers would disagree with their books being called political

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:24:08 2020 No.15988540

>>15988491
It's a failure as a parody because you didn't even manage to substitute my argument for something obviously incorrect.
Instead you just created an argument that also has validity but has a much smaller scope because it requires a more specific focus to apply.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:24:55 2020 No.15988546

>>15988526
>I'm not saying books are recipes I'm saying books are related to food (or recipeical)

yeah and we agree lol, it's just political analysis is often more interesting food-based analysis. No one's stopping you from analyzing books based on food if that's what you really want to do, I just probably won't care.

you have no argument anon, you're just embarrassing yourself at this point

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:26:32 2020 No.15988556

>>15988540
>It's a failure as a parody because you didn't even manage to substitute my argument for something obviously incorrect.
Again if you cannot see the ridiculousness of demanding every book be analyzes by recipes and that they are intrinsically related and dependent on them and all that entails in my other posts you are beyond salvation.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:27:03 2020 No.15988561

>>15988532
meaning is taken by the reader, not given by the writer.
assuming the writer manages to create a work with absolutely no possible political inferences from the reader (effectively an impossibility) they've still created a work that in aiming to be "non-political" reflects the current status-quo

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:27:25 2020 No.15988564 before /sffg/ dies i must confess that i enjoyed Lightbringer

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:28:04 2020 No.15988571 >>15988532 if you write a book and it depicts humans who are currently associating with one another, or have in the past associated with one another, then your book presents a political viewpoint. what about this makes people so angry?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:29:06 2020 No.15988577 >>15988556 could you point to the post where someone demanded that everyone analyze every book they read politically, anon, because I can't find it? sounds like you might be swinging at some windmills there haha

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:29:09 2020 No.15988580

>>15988546
>yeah and we agree lol, it's just political analysis is often more interesting food-based analysis.
For you, now fuck off trying to inject you personal preferences on my food based analysis of literature. Fuck off trying to inject politics into books, we clearly need only to concern ourselves with the marginalized and silenced food analysis of book. Politics has already been over-represented, time to give underrepresented view points the spot light.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:29:12 2020 No.15988582 >>15988561 >meaning is taken by the reader, not given by the writer. Yeah, and many readers don't care about politics You're not the only reader in the world you spastic retard, your opinion is just one idiot among billions

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:29:49 2020 No.15988587

>>15988556
If you say every book is about food, that's arguable but of limited scope.
If you say every book is about "recipes" you fall apart the moment a book doesn't have one.
Either way it's not a parody, it's either a more specific agreement (food) or an incoherent attempt to substitute words to create parody (recipes)

Neither serves as a refutation of the original argument I forwarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:30:18 2020 No.15988591 >>15988571 Because it's untrue and just a bogus marxist interpretation towards art

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:31:28 2020 No.15988601

>>15988577
https://bookriot.com/all-books-are-political/
Not you personally but that is clearly underlining your posts. And those "on your side " have said so several times alredy.
It's specifically obvious when "you" say everything is political and nobody should be mad at overt politics in their books.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:31:53 2020 No.15988602 >>15988580 >>15988582 I like how we've pivoted from >books aren't political to >books are political but I don't care ok good for you anon science fiction is still leftist though haha

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:34:39 2020 No.15988625

>>15988587
>If you say every book is political, that's arguable but of limited scope.
>If you say every book is about "politics" you fall apart the moment a book doesn't deal with politics(The art or science of government or governing, especially the governing of a political entity, such as a nation, and the administration and control of its internal and external affairs).

the ridiculous of it is the only refutation needed.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:34:51 2020 No.15988626

>>15988591
>Because it's untrue

no it's not anon, describing a society (which can be as simple as a village or complex as an empire) is a political project. Do we have to pull up those pesky dictionary definitions again?

>>15988601
i don't know what this blog post is and i simply do not care

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:34:53 2020 No.15988627

>>15988582
it doesn't matter if the reader "cares" or not, it's about how their impressions and takeaways from the book are formed. Our argument is that the politics of the book are a fundamental factor in how the reader shapes their interpretation of the book.
Unless you're writing essays you don't consciously chose to form an interpretation of a book but you still produce one nonetheless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:35:54 2020 No.15988638 >>15988625 >If you say every book is political, that's arguable but of limited scope. but anon that's not of limited scope at all, it's of universal scope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:36:07 2020 No.15988639 >>15988625 >>If you say every book is about "politics" you fall apart the moment a book doesn't deal with politics again, if you could find me one (1) example of a work of fiction that is completely free of "political entities" that would be great

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:36:17 2020 No.15988641 >>15988602 Science fiction is about the accessibility of food stuff and how that impacts cooking. Fuck off with your hegemonic (and frankly quite bigoted) analyses of sci-fi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:37:30 2020 No.15988649 >>15988639 The lord of the flies, the first book I have read.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:37:52 2020 No.15988650 >>15988641 >Science fiction is about the accessibility of food stuff even if this was true, imagine living in 2020 and thinking "the accessibility of food stuff" is anything but a political issue

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:38:33 2020 No.15988656 >>15988638 It is limited, because not all books are propaganda pieces, though they do deal with politics. Again read the fucking definition of political and politics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:39:10 2020 No.15988661 >>15988656 you've reversed your definitions from your last post lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:39:34 2020 No.15988665 >>15988649 >the lord of the flies does not deal with political entities holy christ anon even william golding thought Lord of the Flies was about politics dude this is the dumbest take I've seen yet

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:39:44 2020 No.15988666 File: 19 KB, 927x643, Yukio Mishima 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i'm not pro left or pro right i just want everyone to die

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:40:11 2020 No.15988672 >>15988649 lmao at least you're finally getting better at troll posting as this goes on

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:40:16 2020 No.15988673

>>15988650
>even if this was true, imagine living in 2020 and thinking "the accessibility of food stuff" is anything but a political issue
I never said they aren't, I said that the fact your hegemonic view that has been parroted everywhere is being given relevance while other lees listened to view points can't be heard is evil. SO SHUT THEW FUCK UP ABOUT POLITICS ALREADY!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:40:36 2020 No.15988675 >>15988656 >though they do deal with politics. ok, you've conceded the point then. thanks for arguing anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:41:08 2020 No.15988678 >>15988627 There are many ways to interpret a book, politically is just one of them and many don't look at books that way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:41:44 2020 No.15988685 >>15988665 Only if you look at it with a political lense you fuck tard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:42:39 2020 No.15988689 >>15988665 I thought you said the opinion of the author doesn't matter?

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:43:47 2020 No.15988698

>>15988675
I Never said the books aren't related and deal with politics in any way, said that those who don't do it overtly aren't "political". Look at the thread you fucktard. Again my point has been and has been that you cannot call every single book political and use that to inject politics into book.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:43:57 2020 No.15988700

>>15988678
Yeah welcome to schools of theory
The existence of other schools of analysis i.e. looking at every book as about the role of women in feminist criticism don't negate the validity of the others.

Post-modernism is the only school of thought that explicitly denies the applicability of the others and their claims of "there are no grand narratives in human history" quickly morphed into a situation where they just applied multiple old schools of thought instead of just focusing on one of them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:45:56 2020 No.15988716 >>15988713 >>15988713 >>15988713

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:46:14 2020 No.15988717 >>15988700 That does not make every book political, only your interpretation of them

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:46:54 2020 No.15988725

>>15988685

brother please "lord of the flies isn't political" is not a hill you want to die on. absolutely braindead take.

>>15988689
shit, you got me anon. guess I'll have to have to, I don't know, infer that from reading the book with more than a 3rd grade education

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:47:05 2020 No.15988728 >>15988717 the interpretation isn't possible if it can't be justified by the text

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:48:08 2020 No.15988741 >>15988665 wasn't participitating in this but did you deliberately choose the stupidest book to argue this point with outside of animal farm lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:48:21 2020 No.15988743 >>15988725 You can't even form a consistent argument, one post your say the author's intention doesn't matter, then you say the reader doesn't matter, your ideology is a mess

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:49:59 2020 No.15988759 >>15988743 i'm saying if you read Lord of the Flies and didn't pick up on the political allegory then you have shit between your ears

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:50:19 2020 No.15988762

>>15988728
If all interpretations of a book can be valid than an apolitical reading of said book any and all is also valid.
Or else only political analysis can exist.
Therefore a book is not anymore inherently political than otherwise and pushing politics into books is still a cunt move because you are forcing people to look at the book trough your personal analysis.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:50:37 2020 No.15988763 >>15988759 Yes everybody knows that book is a political allegory, it doesn't make all of them that way

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:51:08 2020 No.15988767

>>15988743
>then you say the reader doesn't matter, your ideology is a mess
they didn't say that
>I don't know, infer that from reading the book with more than a 3rd grade education
is them telling you the political is present in the text absent of knowing authorial intent

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:51:28 2020 No.15988771 >>15988759 So the shire is an example of a a non political society in fiction? Because that is what the author said. And you are basing your argument on the world of god analyses of a book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:52:47 2020 No.15988781 >>15988771 I trust the author's opinion more than some discord tranny, I'll say that much

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:53:01 2020 No.15988783

>>15988767
>is them telling you the political is present in the text absent of knowing authorial intent
then of course they need to give a basis for their argumentation because otherwise i can claim the same.
Just read the book and see it's not political.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:53:11 2020 No.15988788 >>15988762 a book would only not be political if the political reading wasn't possible. not because alternative readings are also possible

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:54:36 2020 No.15988796 >>15988783 we've already established that just ignoring the politics doesn't make you right anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:55:44 2020 No.15988804 btw now that we're 100 posts in leftist readings are that every book is about capital not politics so you need to refute that now

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:55:59 2020 No.15988807

>>15988788
You can do a reading of the book completely ignoring the political aspects or showing that they are merely symptoms of other drives in the characters (which is arguably how politics work in real live). Which makes politics wither irrelevant or superfluous making the book apolitical.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:57:17 2020 No.15988822 >>15988796 You have established nothing besides your own desire to inject politics into every facets of literature in order to satiate you ideological leanings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:58:31 2020 No.15988827 >>15988796 shoving your ideology into every book doesn't work either

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 22:03:45 2020 No.15988870 Wow this thread exploded.....

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 22:33:26 2020 No.15989118 Where do I shill my own shit?

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