History book thread

[Anonymous No.15982014]

Show us your recommendations for interesting historical periods and or your personal recommendations.

[Anonymous No.15982017]

Do want to discuss history just want book recommendations, before jannies delete me

[Anonymous No.15982079]

I really like "soulstealers" by Philip Kuhn
It's a book about the Qing government dealt with panic about a mysterious cabal of sorcerers the drug people, cut a little bit of their hair, write their name on a piece of paper which allows them to steal souls.
The book deals with themes of how fluid and unclear sources of power are in large bureaucratic states, how retarded torture is, the dynamics of aesthetics and how rumours can spread

[Anonymous No.15982130]

Are there any books about how like the very first societies formed? Or at least the first literate ones? Or is that just something that no one has a clue about?

[Anonymous No.15982204]

>>15982130
There's a lot but views vary greatly
Harari is one that's simple and straightforward but overly simplistic
Hallpike's trilogy on the development of primitive society is very nice, especially if you dislike evopsychos
Liverani's book on the ancient near East is an excellent book on the earliest literate civilizations besides Egypt and Indus

[Anonymous No.15982224]

[Anonymous No.15982225]

>>15982224
>Shirer
Evans is much better though it's a three volume behemoth

[Anonymous No.15982234]

Peter Turchin has created a human population biology

[Anonymous No.15982293]

>>15982225

Evans is a faggot.

[Anonymous No.15982300]

My favourite modern historians are AJP Taylor, Joachim Fest and John Lukacs.

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[Anonymous No.15982362]

>>15982204
Oh right nice one, thanks a lot mate

[Anonymous No.15982369]

>>15982014
>history books
Here is its prince.

[Anonymous No.15982371]

>>15982225
>evans is better

Jewish hands wrote this post. Read Kershaw if you want contemporary.

[Anonymous No.15982389]

[Anonymous No.15982419]

need some suggestions of books on italian
>literature
>philosophy
>architecture
>paintings/specific painters (considering Ceccini's libro dell'arte, thoughts?)
>music/specific composers
>sculptures/specific artists
must be books written by italians, in the italian language.
thank

[Anonymous No.15982423]

>>15982419
hello. are italians boys cute? thanks

[Anonymous No.15982425]

>>15982371
What's wrong with Evans? He actively abstains from making moral judgement considering it arrogant and self-absorbed

[Anonymous No.15982459]

>>15982425
He's a communist sympathizer. Look at his works if you disagree. His early focus is of German working class and poor, feminism, and he just recently did a biography of a known Marxist.
>he doesn't make moral judgements
He essentially rips apart the nazis as villains the whole time (whether they were or weren't is irrelevant to history). He is clearly a socialist and I won't suffer through his hypocrisy when he vehemently hates right wing extremism but will sympathize with commies.

[Anonymous No.15982466]

>>15982423
not italian mate, però posso parlare l'italiano piano piano sotto sua orecchia no homo lmao

[Anonymous No.15982471]

>>15982459
>He essentially rips apart
He's critical but I think you might be overstating it
I did get a commie sense from how much he cited the socdem Germans though

[Anonymous No.15982486]

>>15982425
>What's wrong with Evans?

Irving.

[Anonymous No.15982487]

>>15982471
Perhaps he holds back in the book, but I won't sit here and pretend that he isn't a commie. Shirer's book is good because he is willing to concede his biases from the beginning. Other historians either want to be Nazi haters or Hitler fanboys. Shirer didn't have any recent insight, but he is able to tell the history in every way that matters.

[Anonymous No.15982501]

>>15982487

Shirer is also kinda a fag, but less so than Evans.

[Anonymous No.15982508]

>>15982234
Who dat

[Anonymous No.15982528]

this is my reading list OP

[Anonymous No.15982542]

>>15982528

[Anonymous No.15982549]

>>15982014
I heard the oxford history of the french revolution is good, anyone read it?

[Anonymous No.15982590]

>>15982014
>>15982528
>>15982542
I think it is better to download and listen to these books as audiobooks, but to read some acadimic stuff like "The Cambridge history of...", etc.
You can find them here
http://audiobookbay.nl

[Anonymous No.15982712]

>>15982542
Good until i saw Mary Beard

[Anonymous No.15982735]

>>15982712
>Good until i saw Mary Beard
why?

[Anonymous No.15982815]

>>15982542
Good until I saw Silk Roads. Really?

[Anonymous No.15982835]

>>15982735
>>15982014
Englishman cannot be a historian, he is always a propagandist, he always works for SIS. Like Sebag Montefiori from the op-post.

[Anonymous No.15982870]

>>15982735
She is a raging feminist and constantly goes on about white privilege, someone as politically retarded as herself can not be trusted, she also glosses over the massacres committed by the Jews, like how they killed 250,000 Romans in Cyprus, but instead goes on and on about how mean Hadrian is for simply getting retribution against a semetic pest that keeps revolting.

meanwhile she says nothing negative about how Christians were burnt alive n shit by Nero (not that i care desu) but it does show her agenda of double standard of overvaluing Jewish lives as more important than christchucks

[Anonymous No.15982890]

>>15982870
Thanks for the information anon. Any good books about Roman history for someone who know literally nothing about Rome?

[Anonymous No.15982895]

>>15982815
Why? Its a reading list, I haven't read the books.

[Anonymous No.15982953]

>>15982895
I really like silk road what's wrong with it

[Anonymous No.15982969]

>>15982953
idk, thats why I'm asking. I want to know if its worth the read.

[Anonymous No.15982980]

>>15982890

[Anonymous No.15982988]

>>15982014
Gulag: A History.

[Anonymous No.15982994]

>>15982508
Turchin is in the cultural evolution camp. He made a field called cliodynamics. He sees history as a bunch of cycles, and made a mathematical model for it.
The book by him, War and Peace and War, does that.

[Anonymous No.15983000]

>>15982980
thank you

[Anonymous No.15983011]

>>15982870
It's actually a good book with a unique perspective. Cope.

[Anonymous No.15983021]

>>15983000
No problem anon, here is one for late antiquity

[Anonymous No.15983029]

>>15983011
No, muh Caesar committed le genocide against the Gauls. when he just he infarct civilised them

[Anonymous No.15983030]

>>15982225
What the fuck kind of statement is that? Evans was born after the war ended whereas Shirer was a journalist throughout the entire war, actually met Hitler multiple times, and had full access to the entire recovered Nazi documentation cache.

[Anonymous No.15983348]

>>15982204
Harari can suck my dick

[Anonymous No.15983387]

>>15982130
>Are there any books about how like the very first societies formed?
Havent read it but perhaps this one

[Anonymous No.15983391]

>>15982014
I like this thread, I'll bump it. Best books on the French revolution and Russian revolution? Unbiased please

I already have books on Ancient rome, Ancient greece and the Ancient near east covered. Also any good books on the Byzantine empire and early middle ages Europe?

[Anonymous No.15983396]

>>15982735
Not him, but just read the sample on Amazon. Her and Tom Holland push current politics into it as much as possible and it really pisses me off, and its not just the introduction, its eveywhere

[Anonymous No.15983402]

>>15983029
he did kill about 1 million gausl or something

[Anonymous No.15983406]

>>15982980
Tom Holland is also shit

Read primary sources (Livy, Tacitus) and Roman Revolution

[Anonymous No.15983410]

>>15983396
They're BBC darlings.

[Anonymous No.15983414]

>>15983410
I can't stand writers pushing current political narratives into history books, that's why I'd rather read primary sources if possible

[Anonymous No.15983421]

>>15983414
Based.

[Anonymous No.15983443]

>>15983402
Yeah, and the Gauls invaded Rome, murdered them en mass and pillaged them. They deserved it

[Anonymous No.15983643]

>>15982466
>posso parlare l'italiano
>sotto sua orecchia
no

[Anonymous No.15983916]

>>15983643
non ho detto che parlo bene :^)
ma vorrebbe parlare proprio :^(
ci sono molte cose che devo imparare ancora

[Anonymous No.15984198]

>>15982306
I love this book. Its amazing.

[Anonymous No.15984317]

>>15982014
read less pop history desu

[Anonymous No.15984328]

>>15982293
>>15982371
>>15982459

immense cope

[Anonymous No.15984352]

>>15982549
I have that downloaded but I haven't started reading it yet. I would also like to know if it is worth it

[Anonymous No.15984382]

>>15982487
That book was written 60 years ago by a journalist and has no merit at all by contemporary historians so I don't know why the fuck you would read Shirer, the swastika on the cover?

[Anonymous No.15984394]

My favorite history books are biographies of the most successful people of a given time period. For example
>The richest man who ever lived: the life and times of Jacob Fugger
Was a really interesting look into how a single banker helped to create the hapsburg dynasty and elevate them to such a high position in Europe at the time
>the fish that ate the whale
Is about an early 20th century banana tycoon who immigrated from Russia with nothing and went on to lead one of the biggest fruit companies on the planet, who also had a hand in overthrowing South American governments and such

[Anonymous No.15984567]

>>15982014
This is my all time favorite history book.

[Anonymous No.15984583]

>>15982014
add this to the list. Not just one of the best history related books I've read, bu tone of the best period.

Chinese history was insane

[Anonymous No.15984715]

>>15984382
This is an outright lie. The book serves its purpose and you can't give me one reason why it isn't valuable.
>muh credibility argument with nothing to back it up

Go google away, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.15984738]

>>15984328
wrong

[Anonymous No.15985467]

>>15983391
I did Russian revolution in my last year of high school, I would highly recommend ‘A peoples tragedy’ by Orlando Figes. You can also read Richard Pipes, both are massive works, so I haven’t actually read the works in their Entirety, maybe 70% of it that was relevant to my exam, but it was a very good read. A more Concise read I would also recommend is Shelia Fitzpatricks book on the Russian rev, it’s relatively recent and she had access to the Soviet archives during he 1990s. It’s extremely basic tho and wouldn’t recommend if you know more than the basic about it.

[Anonymous No.15985474]

>>15983402
It’s not genocide. The Gauls were not systematically ethnically destroyed, if anything they were given Roman citizenship and civilised, not a genocide

[Anonymous No.15985484]

>>15984328
Go back to pol, this is /lit/ the most intellectual of 4chan, provide a Substance of rebuttal of his contention plebeian

[Anonymous No.15985617]

>>15982528
Beevor is trash

[Anonymous No.15985681]

>>15982835
Simon sebag montefiore is dreaful and borderline unreadable regardless of his intelligence agency affiliation

[Anonymous No.15985817]

>>15982369
Is his book on Friedrich the Great worth the time? It's fucking huge.

[Anonymous No.15985927]

how can anyone see history in this light: most boring disgusting overview, mere dates and wars and psychological aptitudes mimicking personal dramas: how can anyone enjoy something so convoluted and boring?

study metahistory instead.

[Anonymous No.15986031]

>>15985617
Why?

[Anonymous No.15986688]

>>15982528
Storm of Steel is great, got my dad reading it after I got done.

[Anonymous No.15987642]

>>15983443
Logic's sorta tough for you huh bud

>>15985474
> unironically being this smooth-brained

[Anonymous No.15988215]

>>15985681
Idk I found Simon Seabag's books interesting, specifically Young Stalin and Court of the Red Tsar. I downloaded his book on Jerusalem and am planning to read that.

What's the issue with him?

[Anonymous No.15988316]

>>15983391
>Russian revolution
Ten Days that shook the world
My Disillusionment in Russia

[Anonymous No.15988330]

>>15982014
Eric Hobsbawm
E.P. Thompson
J. G. A. Pocock
Fernand Braudel
Quentin Skinner
A. J. P. Taylor
E.H. Carr
Lawrence Stone
Jacques Le Goff
Christopher Hill
Emmanuel Le Roy Ladurie
Frances Yates
Ernst Gombrich

[Anonymous No.15988347]

What is the best book on Napoleon's Russian campaign? I want to read one before rereading War & Peace

[Anonymous No.15988374]

>>15982980
key for osprey books don't work (yes i typed that whole thing in) what do? also, anyone got good books on japanese history, especially in its early days?

[Anonymous No.15988518]

[Anonymous No.15989482]

Any objective books on the rise of Israel, or the Deep State?

[Anonymous No.15989628]

>>15988347
1812 by adam zamoyski

[Anonymous No.15990539]

>>15989482
the israel lobby and u.s. foreign policy by john mearsheimer

[Anonymous No.15990634]

>>15982014
anglo-american history primarily from late 1800s to WW2

[Anonymous No.15991252]

>>15990634
What even is Tradegy and Hope about? Is it a good read?

[Anonymous No.15991349]

>>15991252
western history from late 1800s to early 1960s
yes, it's a great read. it's more /his/ than /lit/ but a lot more shit will make sense after reading it.

[Anonymous No.15991362]

>>15991252
It describes the world accurately with optimism about the nightmare that's unfolding.

[Anonymous No.15991404]

>>15991252
it's one of the more redpilling books

[Anonymous No.15991411]

>>15991404

[Anonymous No.15991568]

>>15985927

Narrative history is enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.15991724]

>>15989482
Against our better judgment
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20919295-against-our-better-judgment

[Anonymous No.15991923]

>>15982980
You can easily make that vg recommendation MTW2 and Europa Barbarorum 2.

[Anonymous No.15992052]

>>15991568
yes: mere enjoyment. same as fiction.

[Anonymous No.15992140]

I liked this book

[Anonymous No.15992146]

>>15992052

Are you saying that narrative history is fiction? I do not follow.

[Anonymous No.15992156]

>>15982890
Fall of Carthage - Adrian Goldsworthy
Caesar - Adrian Goldsworthy
Roman Revolution - Ronald Syme
Polybius
Livy
Plutarch
Suetonious

avoid Beard

[Anonymous No.15992418]

>>15985927
Like this?

[Anonymous No.15992427]

>>15992140
i was so pissed it didn't go further than AD 212

[Anonymous No.15992431]

>>15992418
nah. Spengler's Decline of the West posits a grand unified field theory of spirit unfolding through History from their understanding of Being and the morphology thereof, and how the people within history understand themselves within history aka metahistory. Toynbee does this in his Study of History, Sloterdijk does this in his Bubbles trilogy, Gebser does this in his "The Ever-Present Origin", Deleuze does this in A Thousand Plateaus: also, media theory and Theory in general applied to an abstract metahistory.

[Anonymous No.15992661]

>>15985927
By reading history books that aren't shit

[Anonymous No.15993081]

>>15982528
>Antony Beevor
Oh no no nonono