How can I be as eloquent as Peterson

[Anonymous No.16061728]

I want to be a great speaker. How can I speak eloquently as Peterson? Even though I have difficulties reading out aloud.

[Anonymous No.16061746]

>>16061728
Practice. Go to Toastmasters or acting or something. Peterson has had a lengthy career of public and intimate conversation to hone his speaking and listening abilities.

[Anonymous No.16061752]

If you want to appear very profound and convince people to take you seriously, but have nothing of value to say, there is a tried and tested method. First, take some extremely obvious platitude or truism. Make sure it actually does contain some insight, though it can be rather vague. Something like “if you’re too conciliatory, you will sometimes get taken advantage of” or “many moral values are similar across human societies.” Then, try to restate your platitude using as many words as possible, as unintelligibly as possible, while never repeating yourself exactly. Use highly technical language drawn from many different academic disciplines, so that no one person will ever have adequate training to fully evaluate your work. Construct elaborate theories with many parts. Draw diagrams. Use italics liberally to indicate that you are using words in a highly specific and idiosyncratic sense. Never say anything too specific, and if you do, qualify it heavily so that you can always insist you meant the opposite. Then evangelize: speak as confidently as possible, as if you are sharing God’s own truth. Accept no criticisms: insist that any skeptic has either misinterpreted you or has actually already admitted that you are correct. Talk as much as possible and listen as little as possible. Follow these steps, and your success will be assured. (It does help if you are male and Caucasian.)

[Anonymous No.16061766]

Jordan Peterson = Abe Simpson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zihqjVseL2k

[Anonymous No.16061780]

>>16061746
This
It also helps if you have at least a decade of experience as a professor where public speaking is your job

[Anonymous No.16061791]

>>16061746
this. Being a psychologist for like 30 years or something sure has an effect on your speaking ability

[Anonymous No.16061793]

>>16061728
make your audience full of spineless s o y men raised by single moms addicted to soap operas

those kind of ''men'' have never heard anybody talking to them who had more than a BS. ALso they never saw anybody wear a bespoke suit.

[Anonymous No.16061847]

Is there a valid criticism on this guy?
Most I've read are rubbish.

[Anonymous No.16061859]

>ALL MEAT DIET

[Anonymous No.16061885]

>>16061847
He's a nazi

[Anonymous No.16061895]

>>16061728
While FP already gave you some good advice, it might not be enough.
You can tell Peterson has had some personal traumas, you can tell he has struggled with existential questions and depression and so on. That's what makes his delivery so emotional and gives it that "religious" tone.


>>16061847
>Is there a valid criticism on this guy?
Well, some of the things he said are a bit silly and/or wrong. He likes to opine on various subjects so he inevitably ends up saying something stupid sometimes.
>Most I've read are rubbish.
Yeah, most of the criticism comes from small minded bugmen or people who haven't had enough life experience. Tribal internet ideologues are the lowest form of life; you need to keep this in mind when reading opinions.

[Anonymous No.16061947]

>>16061847
Most of what he says lacks any real substance once you boil it down. It's just more of the same old self-help stuff really. Take away the rhetoric, the allusions to myths, Jung, and the occasional bit of classic literature, and what arguments are actually being put forth? I'm not saying it's bad advice, it just isn't really anything worth note.

[Anonymous No.16062884]

>>16061847
No, look at the retards responding to you.

His own work is heavily influenced by Jung, Freud and Dostoevsky from the philosophical and metaphysical perspective and several prominent behavioralists from the neurological.

He's also a world renowned expert on the neurochemistry of alcohol. So, the greatest criticism you can level at him is a lack of any real ingenuity or creativity in his own thinking.

>Peterson is a hack fraud, be talks about things he knows NOTHING about lmao
He's paraphrasing Carl Jung though...
>Carl who?

[Anonymous No.16062896]

>>16061947
Give a single example of one of the several things you claim.

[Anonymous No.16062994]

>>16061947
>>16062884
Like this retard.

>Once you boil down Peterson's rhetoric (Jung, Freud, Piage', etc..) you find it's all useless.

This poster had not read a single page from those three authors.

[Anonymous No.16063006]

>>16061728
Study the wisdom of pic related

[Anonymous No.16063052]

>>16062884
>behavioralists
>neurological
>world renowned expert
>neurochemistry
>ingenuity
>Jung

[Anonymous No.16063064]

>>16061793
kek

[Anonymous No.16063070]

>>16061752
This and always look like you're very conscious that you feel self important

[Anonymous No.16063116]

>>16063052
>16063052
> calling woo on things you cant understand

taht'll show em

[Anonymous No.16063122]

>>16063052
I'm a trained scientist, yes.

[Anonymous No.16063152]

>>16063122
Go back

[Anonymous No.16063206]

>>16061847
If you understand the problems of liberalism then you can easily understand him. He is essentially just a weak liberal, and one who contradicts many of the founding positions.

[Anonymous No.16063281]

>>16063152
I've been here longer than you've had ball hair, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.16063295]

>>16061847
>>16062884
Translation: through my own biases and inability to understand arguments I'm going to maintain that all of Peterson's critics are idiots and daddy is correct 100% of the time.

[Anonymous No.16063372]

>>16061766
Lol perfect. He really does meander and blather like no other, but there are real nuggets of truth in the things he says.

[Anonymous No.16063430]

>>16061752
>If you want to appear very profound and convince people to take you seriously, but have nothing of value to say, there is a tried and tested method
THIS. This is what I want more than anything else. The guy is a masterful bullshitter. I remember the Sam Harris debates specifically where he had the entire stadium screaming to which Sam replies something like “I have to do some work to figure out exactly what point they think you made”.
I’d rather be able to convince anyone through sophism than always be right(baring supernatural guessing like lottery numbers). Peterson will outearn any scientist salary in a couple weeks.

[Anonymous No.16063510]

>>16063430
You're literally the problem with the world.

[Anonymous No.16063638]

>>16062884
>influenced by x, y, z
why does being 'influenced' by somebody make you impervious to criticism? is it not possible to develop a misguided framework if you've built it upon the 'correct' thinkers?

>world renowned expert on neurochemistry of alcohol
what do these credentials have to do with the context of the discussion - his philosophical framework?

[Anonymous No.16063665]

>>16063510
I won’t defend it. I know it’s shitty. But why should I care? All the proof in the world doesn’t convince people, I’m just adapting to society. Even if your intentions were good and not strictly selfish, it’d still be better. A pastor that could convince the religious that God wants us to clean up the world would do far more good than any scientific study has ever done.

[Anonymous No.16063687]

>>16063510
Yikes these Petersonfags are really defensive. It's like you're attacking their religion.

[Anonymous No.16063915]

>>16063665
>All the proof in the world doesn’t convince people
Perhaps because they've been so disillusioned by the behavioral prevalence of the very sophistry and intellectual dishonesty you aim to acquire.
>>16063687
What about my comment suggests I esteem Peterson?

[Anonymous No.16064101]

>>16063295
Have you ever read Freud or Jung?

Can you even explain the difference in methodology between the two?

[Anonymous No.16064208]

>>16061728
I am a crap speaker unless I am speaking about the subject that I am passionate about and know it like the back of my hand. Peterson is a psychologist and also a teacher/a professor, one listens a lot, the other speaks a lot. And he is both.

Basically just learn the subject inside out. If you want to be a good speaker in general then study psychology and consider becoming a teacher.

[Anonymous No.16064420]

>>16063372
no there aren't you're just very, very stupid

[Anonymous No.16064720]

>>16064420
There are some. You're just very, very bullheaded.

[Anonymous No.16064745]

>>16061728
Practice practice practice. Instead of having an internal monologue, just openly speak about whatever is going through your head at the moment. Over time you will learn how to form better, more full thoughts and arguments in actual speech and people won't be able to help themselves but surrender themselves to your superior intellect.

[Anonymous No.16065436]

He is having withdrawals from benzos in a coma in Serbia while suffering with Covid-19 and pneumonia.

[Anonymous No.16065445]

>>16065436
while his wife catches cancer. Unluckiest guy i swear.

[Anonymous No.16065506]

>>16065445
It's been a terrible past couple of years for him. I hope he pulls through.

[Anonymous No.16065585]

>>16061752
Jordan Peterson explains "obvious truisms" the way he does because when he speaks consistently at his level of articulation the underlying patterns of relationship beneath the concepts he speaks on becomes easier to notice. Hence why he's usually getting at a "bigger picture".

Dumbass

[Anonymous No.16065608]

>>16063638
Hes made a remark about how religious transformation happens to be one of if not the most powerful cure to alcoholism and nobody seems to understand why

[Anonymous No.16065625]

>>16061947
Idk if you've noticed but on his channel he has this playlist called "The psycholohical significance of God" or something you mightve missed

[Anonymous No.16065740]

>>16061728
blah blah blah benzos in my mouth

[Anonymous No.16065776]

>>16061752
great post

[Anonymous No.16066021]

>>16061752
There isn't a single writer or public speaker you couldn't apply that to if you were working under the same kind of bad faith half of /lit/ gives Jordan Peterson. Presuppose that there is no substantial merit in what's being said, don't bother giving examples of where they've gone wrong, then smugly assert that the points you can't dismiss are merely truisms and therefor all the time you spent justifying them so they could be taken for granted was vapid. I'd tell you to read Maps of Meaning, which is basically just one giant pile of scientific and logical justifications for Jungian thought, but you won't. You're going to continue getting all your impressions from YouTube compilations.

>>16061947
>once you boil it down
Critics always say this ignoring the fact that, again, once you boil anything down and respond with "no shit, everybody knows that," you can give the illusion of successfully belittling anyone or anything. The ridiculous part is that as emotionally invested as half of /lit/ is in shitting on him, Peterson's ideas aren't even Peterson's and they wouldn't argue with them if they'd ever read them from the source.

[Anonymous No.16066366]

>>16061728
Read Aristotle's Rhetoric
Read Cicero's Speeches and On The Ideal Orator
Read Christ's teachings
Watch Speeches, Jonathan Bowden is good.
Speak about something you're knowledgeable and enthusiastic about
Practice

[Anonymous No.16066653]

>Mikhaila Peterson reveals her father's battle with coronavirus after a year of suffering with withdrawal from the prescription drug benzodiazepine
he really angered the gods or something

[Anonymous No.16066676]

>>16061752
>Then, try to restate your platitude using as many words as possible, as unintelligibly as possible, while never repeating yourself exactly. Use highly technical language drawn from many different academic disciplines, s
Doesn't really apply to mr wash your penis does it? Handful of clips Ive seen him talking in he tries to be clear and doesn't use much jargon at all. If anything what you're saying applies more the the average academic than Memerson

[Anonymous No.16067848]

>>16066653
>born into a frozen shithole community with absurdly high rates of depression and suicide
>all of his friends growing up eventually kill themselves or turn into depressing failures
>escapes and educates only to be plagued by existential horror and nightmares all throughout his youth
>watches his daughter suffer from a ridiculously ulikely disease that keeps her in near constant pain her whole waking life and makes her wish for death from the time she's old enough to see it as an escape
>spends 13 years writing Maps of Meaning, a genuinely incredible book that gets praise from those who actually read it, only to have it go completely unnoticed at the time of release because the subject hasn't been in vogue for decades
>has the balls to vocally reject university kool-aid, gets ostracized from the entire academic community and now has realistically no chance of teaching ever again
>spends the next few years as the most hated man in the world, with literally every word that comes out of his mouth scrutinized by journalists and activists trying to make him sound like a Nazi
>just when things are looking up, wife gets diagnosed with terminal cancer and there's nothing he can do about it
>starts taking prescription meds to ease his suffering, winds up hooked on fucking benzo
>somehow manages to get his shit together enough to check himself into a clinic, is totally transparent about it, still gets crucified by opponents for using drugs while he waits for his wife to die and the witch hunters to finally nail him
>recovers, probably getting ready to move on, gets fucking COVID
I don't see how anyone can admire writers or philosophers who were broken drunks and addicts their whole lives and still give Peterson a hard time. The fact that he's not only still alive but actively trying to make the world better insofar as he sees it that way is fucking amazing.

[Anonymous No.16068065]

>>16067848
Ok. Remember to go to his website and donate after you're done sucking his dick, cuck

[Anonymous No.16068093]

>>16061752
Who are you and who gave you access to my dissertation?

[Anonymous No.16068789]

>>16061728
buy a book on talking good.

[Anonymous No.16068799]

join toastmasters

[Anonymous No.16068869]

>>16061752
tl:dr toss up a word salad like this guy ironically

[Anonymous No.16068894]

>>16061728
Translate Ciceron and read them outloud

[Anonymous No.16068950]

>>16066653>>16067848

peterson is a beta male, who has the fate of a beta male. all this is cogent

[Anonymous No.16069231]

>>16061728
Self-prescribed benzos and meth

[Anonymous No.16069919]

>>16061847
he says a lot of basic stuff but makes them sound profound

[Anonymous No.16070038]

>>16063295
How is Nassim Taleb midwit tier?
Actually I've started reading his latest book:
'Statistical Consequences of Fat Tails: Real World Preasymptotics, Epistemology, and Applications'.
Really good so far.