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16108532 No.16108532 [Reply] [Original]

In his Meditations he wrote about how we all die in the end and we should just be nice to each other. But could it not be argued because our actions do not matter in the end we could be selfish and cruel to others? He says that fame, wealth, pleasure will all be no longer tangible in death in the end. So could we say the same about causing pain to others? In the end any cruelty and suffering we cause to others will be gone with death.

>> No.16108544

the thing with stoicism is that it is a cope and not a moral system to argue about, like philosophy.

>> No.16108675

>>16108532
Thousands of people died at his command, anon.

>> No.16108701

>>16108532
He’d say that men are meant to cooperate and that wonton cruelty is against nature

>> No.16108707

>>16108701
This.

> We were born to work together like feet, hands and eyes, like the two rows of teeth, upper and lower. To obstruct each other is unnatural. To feel anger at someone, to turn your back on him: these are unnatural.”

>> No.16108708

>>16108701
Before or after ordering his line to charge the enemy?

>> No.16108735

>>16108708
retard

>> No.16108744

>>16108735
That's all it took to stump you? Kek, I'm getting strong.

>> No.16108787

>>16108744
Ah yes I guess he was supposed to just let Germanic Tribes raid his lands.

>> No.16108796

>>16108787
Sure sounds like an external to me.

>> No.16108833

>>16108708
I said “wonton cruelty” because a Stoic would justify warfare as doing their duty to the state

>> No.16108843

>>16108833
This is the right response. Take note, other anon.

>> No.16108920

>>16108532
you are right. nothing matters. just know that other unit of life is just like yours. if you know your gf or wife is going to die one day teste of relation will be different. Tyler already cleared it in fight club.

>> No.16108978
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16108978

>>16108544
This. Marcus Aurelius was the most stressed out man in the history of the entire fucking world 50x over. This nigga was constantly at war or expanding borders for his entire reign. He was constantly away from home. And so many people tried to fuck him over. And so many of his fellow companions and family members died.

Anyone on this board in his position would have cracked and had a mental breakdown.

My nigga Marcus is the epitome of practicing PRACTICAL stoicism. If someone as great as him can control his thoughts with practice in the most insane situations, your faggot ass can sure do the same whenever someone calls you a lard ass.

Read Meditations. Then read the precursor books. Then read Meditations again.

IT WILL SET YOU FREEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeee......!

>> No.16108990

working together creates more pleasure for everyone. This is kindergarten math OP.

>> No.16109012

>>16108701
This BUT only whites can Achieve this

>> No.16109083

>>16108787
>fuck germanics over in every way they possibly can
>what the fuck why are you raiding us?

>> No.16109375

>>16108978
The problem is people want to be told what to think and given a simple enemy to blame all their problems on. For those people they read stoicism and don't get 'the point.'

>> No.16109401

>>16109375
I blame the media and modern writing honestly. Literally everything has a clear enemy nowadays and a formulaic way to attack it.

>> No.16109528

>>16108532
because if you are unfairy cruel or selfish you don't reach ataraxia since your conscience will trouble you and remind you about your evil choices and how bad you are
if you are a psichopath that really doesn't care then its up to you, but then you will have to deal with enemies and the police so it will trouble you eitherway and no ataraxia