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Are people born evil?

>> No.16163207

It is easier to be evil than it is to be good.

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>>16163203
If there's destiny, is the answer yes?

>> No.16163223

I was born on a cemetery
under the sign of the moon
raised from my grave
by the dead

>> No.16163225

>>16163203
yes, have you seen an unsocialized child?

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>>16163203
According to degenerate adults.

>> No.16163232

>>16163203
The heart of man is continual evil (Gen 6:5). The surprising thing is that anything that happens turns out good,

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>>16163232
^There’s one now.

>> No.16163241

>>16163203
>evil
No such thing.

>> No.16163245

>>16163203
>are people born evil
Yes. People tend to do horrible things to each other as a default

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>>16163236

>> No.16163248

>>16163230
Innuit children torture birds to death for fun but I guess we're intolerant pieces of shit for thinking you have to teach people to be compassionate and caring individuals.

>> No.16163250

>>16163230
children are way more degenerate.
the only thing children have are a lack of convictions which give them a sense of innocents due to the decreased likelihood of hypocrisy and expectations.

>> No.16163252

>>16163207
no it's easier to be good, you just dont reap material rewards like evildoers do. heathen.

>> No.16163265

>>16163203
No; people are born free.

>> No.16163281

>>16163265
Man is born free but everywhere is in chains.

>> No.16163293

>>16163203
Yes, people can be born with traits that polarize them against the majority. You are not in control of how others view you, regardless of your attempts to influence it. You can at best get a lucky ballpark pattern that sort of matches what you wanted.

>> No.16163307

test

>> No.16163315

>>16163252
Human history disagrees with you my friend.

>> No.16163317

>>16163281
It is our responsibility (responsibility may be the wrong word) to act well with our freedom on account (or behalf, or for the sake) of those enslaved by or to vice, the privation of good, what OP would call evil.

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>>16163252
Humans have a natural inclination to seek pleasure which they often mistake to be material and worldly goods. This is why the pursuit of good is often the harder path. The path of the good is not an easy one.

>> No.16163346

>>16163281
Chains made by other men, because they are evil. Don't pity man in his chains; if he were liberated from slavery it would only be to enslave others.

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>>16163246
>Christians keep such things on their hard drives so they can try to insult people.
What would Jesus say?

>>16163248
Inane half-argument. See >>16163241

>>16163250
You’re an “over-socialized” schizophrenic.
Children are just starting out. Sponges waiting to soak up whatever comes their way. Like any animal, they must eat. Those Inuit children are learning to hunt.
The boy who tortures rodents is acting out aggressions for having been victimized.
The decorated police officer was bullied as a child and now wishes to bully anyone else who gets in his way.
“Evil” is subjective and it is learned

>> No.16163387

>>16163374
>What would Jesus say?
"So you troll these boards as a... 'butterfly,' is it? Why, my child?"

>> No.16163388

>>16163333
I was going to rebut you, but >3333.
I'm going to think about it now.

>> No.16163416

>>16163387
For me, Jesus is a fictional amalgamation of a few guys. All of which are dead, even if real.

>Well, what would Artemis say?
—> >>16163374

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>>16163416
>ignores Tacitus

>> No.16163442

Would you consider a feral child evil?

>> No.16163446

>>16163432
There’s not even records of Pontius Pilate, from what I gather

>> No.16163453

>evil
Why are Americans like this?

>> No.16163476

>>16163203
the whole point of almost every religion is the evolution of an empathetic mode of consciousness
are people born evil? lets just say they arent born angels.
except me. i should be on mount rushmore with my pendulous cock also carved into the rock face.

>> No.16163479

>>16163203
If you live in a society where evil people prevail, you're supposed to be evil as well. It's much easier to justify your bad behavior if everyone around you does bad things as well. Most people won't consider their deeds evil in this case.

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>>16163203
>The sinfulness of that estate whereinto man fell consists in the guilt of Adam's first sin, the want of original righteousness, and the corruption of his whole nature, which is commonly called original sin; together with all actual transgressions which proceed from it.

>> No.16163510

People are not born evil, they learn it, like how you learned to post porn in a literature forum

>> No.16163512

>>16163453
Christianity.

>> No.16163523

>>16163512
>implying good and evil was invented by Christianity

>> No.16163579

>>16163225
Sounds like evil parents

>> No.16163584

>>16163523
I did not mean to imply this.

>> No.16163586

>>16163374
>Agreeing that there's no such thing as evil
I mean duh. This isn't profound. There isn't a physical allotment of evil present in anything, anymore than you can't point to Truth or draw happiness. It's a metaphysical concept. Evil is a placeholder term for the ideal conception of that-thing-which-binds-all-immoral-actions. The presence of a metaphysical evilness is what makes an action bad.
You can argue that evil is relative because different societies view the same acts as good in one case and bad in another, but there are behaviors that are generally considered evil by every culture. Murdering children is one of them, even if its only the children of ones' own tribe.

>The boy who tortures rodents is acting out aggressions for having been victimized
You're utterly retarded. Torturing animals has nothing to do with acting out aggressions. It's the biggest red flag for psychopathy that exists. Emotionally healthy individuals do not enjoy the infliction of suffering, and enjoying the suffering of animals often escalates into enjoying the suffering of people.

>> No.16163624

>>16163586
I didn’t stop in on the mentally impaired, though it crossed my mind to. I thought it would lead into determinism again, so left it.

>> No.16163657

>>16163446
There are, but you wouldn't know that since you're the biggest pseud on this board

>>16163416
>100s of eyewitness accounts of Jesus Christ's existence
>People who knew him personally willingly being executed in his name, refusing to recant
>"he's just a fictional amalgamation guys, lol"
You're such an embarrassing person. Your entire pathetic identity on this board revolves around posting edgy athiest comments in every thread and hoping for (you's). Please just leave already. Nobody here likes you or your posts, and you never add anything of value to the threads you post in (which are all of them because you genuinely never have anything better to do than to post in every thread 20 hours a day)

>> No.16163665

>>16163624
>Yeah, I noticed that you often have to literally be a genetically defective human being to exhibit this behavior but I thought it was irrelevant because it still meant the children were subject to circumstances beyond their control
The fact that people evaluate previously established factors in making their decisions and coming up with their values doesn't change the fact that the decision to do something is still perceived by the body as a willful choice governed by your control. The will can be predicted. That doesn't mean that you're simply watching through the eyes of a mechanical body over which you have no control. My typing this post doesn't occur despite me watching it and being forced to type the post. It occurs because I willfully decide to post it.

Your hardcore focus on determinism is a lie. It has nothing to do with a real belief that people's actions are outside of their control. You're just too timid to blame people who do bad things if they can tell you a sob story.

>> No.16163685

>>16163657
I’ll give you a sec to give the source on this.

>>16163665
Calm down. We basically agree, don’t we?

>> No.16163711

>>16163685
I'm not doing your homework for you. The existence of Pontius Pilate isn't even contested by scholars. It's just something that edgy athiests who don't actually know what they're talking about bring up. We know more about the man than we do most historical figures

>> No.16163748

>>16163685
We absolutely do not agree. Everything you say is a lie. It's not a lie because you don't believe it, it's a lie because you only believe the shadows of it. You say evil doesn't exist, but you mean evil is not a physical object. If you ever forced yourself to watch someone put another person through real, abject suffering. To really inflict pain on them, real pain, you couldn't describe that act in any way but evil. But you don't perceive real evil, you're timid. You're so timid you can smell real evil coming and run away so you can continue to pretend it doesn't exist. Instead you point to small bad acts as what people mean by evil. You think when someone like a christian talks about evil they mean sodomy, and maybe they do especially in these disgusting times, but that's not evil. You only believe evil isn't real when you see the pale imitations of it and mistake that for what evil really is. So you make points about shadows when you should be making points about the essence of what the thing is.

>> No.16163791

>>16163711
>Church records have been citing the existence of...
Do your homework.

>>16163748
>a lie
And yet, we agreed.

>> No.16163802

>>16163791
>I think X is A
>You think X is B
>We both say "I like X"
>This is apparently agreement

>> No.16163832

>>16163802
>There isn't a physical allotment of evil present in anything, anymore than you can't point to Truth or draw happiness. It's a metaphysical concept. Evil is a placeholder term for the ideal conception of that-thing-which-binds-all-immoral-actions. The presence of a metaphysical evilness is what makes an action bad.
>You can argue that evil is relative because different societies view the same acts as good in one case and bad in another, but there are behaviors that are generally considered evil by every culture. Murdering children is one of them, even if its only the children of ones' own tribe.

>A=A
>No it doesn’t! Not anymore! I don’t like you
Have a goodnight.

>> No.16163840

>>16163791
>sources outside of the church showing evidence of Pontius Pilate's existence, including an inscription of his name and office
Why are you so stubborn? Literally nobody but you and fedora tier redditors think that he didn't exist. You're an actual stereotype of what I imagine the average athiest to be like. Not including the Bible as historical evidence, when it's a collection of letters and first-hand accounts, is also one of the most midwit things you can do.

>> No.16163845

>>16163840
Because an anonymous guy is just saying shit.

>> No.16163868

>>16163845
>anonymous guy
>many of the books in the bible state authorship and have been verified over the centuries
Oh so you haven't actually read it. I'm shocked.

>> No.16163871

>>16163832
Yeah, you ignored the part where I pointed out that you only evaluate transient irrelevant examples of """"evil"""" to justify your focus on relativism and ignore the more common examples of evil that are universal to pretty much all cultures.
I really you're a filthy atheist but the fact that you largely think metaphysical concepts are false doesn't mean that "metaphysical" is a synonym for "I'm having a laugh".

>> No.16163880

>>16163236
Oh I'm a degenerate adult? Well darling, guess what? You aren't a child anymore, except in your mind. If that's not degenerate, idk what is.

>> No.16163891

>>16163203
All people aren't born evil but all people aren't;t born good as well. Remember to see the world in gray. Then you'll see many sides of the world itself and of life.

>> No.16163894

The question is not whether or not one is living life in accordance with what is considered good; the question is whether or not one is living a life by and for God.

>> No.16163965

>>16163871
So the mentally impaired are evil, according to you?
>think metaphysical concepts are false
Not false, subjective to a degree.

>>16163880
Oh no, I am an adult. I grew up kind of clean slate for the earliest years of my life. Didn’t learn to read till later than most. So I had a lot of time to wallow in innocence.

Christianity is degenerate. It’s life denying schizophrenia

>> No.16163970

>>16163203
No, but they are susceptible to be one.

>> No.16163979

>>16163965
>So the mentally impaired are evil
If your mental impairment makes you think it's really fun to rip the wings off of live birds and watch them writhe in pain, you are a fucking evil piece of shit and should be killed before you do even more harm.

>> No.16164082

>>16163203
Yes, if they are sub-Saharan Africans, and only the firm hand of an authoritarian state can keep him under control.

>> No.16164088

>>16163979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEnklxGAmak

>> No.16164102

>>16163388
please rebut me

>> No.16164122

>>16163442
That’s like asking if an animal can be evil.

I was about to explain how animals can be evil but that raised a question on what we define as “evil”.
Say, a cat can be really abusive with its toys. Scratches them, bites them, tears them apart. The same cat sees a rat. The rat looks like a toy. The cat catches it and proceeds to play with it. It may be aware of the rat suffering but the cat is just playing with its pray. Is the Cat evil?

Now, a human baby has a toy. He smacks it, bites it, tears it apart. The human baby finds a little animal, a chicken for example. It looks like a toy, he grabs it, smacks it, bites it, tears it apart; despite the chicken evident suffering. Is the baby evil?

What turns an act evil?
Responsibility over the affected subject?
Some kind of emotional connection?

>> No.16164151

>>16163374
>out. Sponges waiting to soak up whatever comes their way. Like any animal, they must eat. Those Inuit children are learning to hunt.
>The boy who tortures rodents is acting out aggressions for having been victimized.
>The decorated police officer was bullied as a child and now wishes to bully anyone else who gets in his way.
>“Evil” is subjective and it is learned
you say that like you have it all figured out. its both nature and nurture you know? not just nurture. lord of the flies could easily happen, children might just rip off a birds wing without it being some freudian slip like you seem to solely present it as.

i agree that evil is subjective, but then doesnt that imply that it does not have to be learned?

>> No.16164163

>>16163333
Quads of truth.

>> No.16164195

>>16164151
>its both nature and nurture
I accept this. I just didn’t touch on it in that post. But I did bring up the Inuit example. The boys in Lord of the Flies had been raised on certain practices