self improvement

[Anonymous No.16227758]

what are some good books about self improvement

Im a semi neet and spend 7h+ daily on the internet - I feel like I definitly need to cut down Internet usage so I ripped the wifi card from my mac and sold my time wasting toys like iPhone/switch/ps4 pro

Ordered already a kindle oasis
Now I need some good books about procrastination/adhd/procrastination / Internet addiction

[Anonymous No.16227783]

>>16227758
Napoleon Hill is better than Peterson.

Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.16227794]

Self improvement is just masturbation.

[Anonymous No.16227797]

>>16227758
You must lift and do cardio and meditate. It helps more with attention than self-help books.

[Anonymous No.16227810]

If you are looking for self help advices i would unironically suggest you go to r*ddit. It helped me. You are not gaining much from books or posting here attt all.
Pleasure don't make self improvement threads here and don't bait a Peterson picture. Thanks

[Anonymous No.16227833]

>>16227758

[Anonymous No.16227849]

There's a chart about this I can't find at the moment, but look at Cal Newport. Digital Minimalism and his other book. Except don't read it in full, its 95 % filler with anecdotes, just selectively go for the actual concrete planning etc.

[Anonymous No.16227855]

>>16227783
actually thought about starting with pic related
Is Hill legit or just a 20th century version of tony robbins?
>>16227794
I really need to turn my life around tho
I dont want to be forever this lazy neet that lives with his parents
>>16227797
Cant really lift due to a bike accident that messed my back up - but some i surely need some regular excercise
The Problem is that my schedule is completly fucked and I waste daily several hours doing jack shit
Cant concentrate or focus for hell
I want to get into cs because Unis here barely cost anything at all but i feel that it would end Up in a desaster with my current habits

[Anonymous No.16227885]

>>16227794
Well I can't do that anymore so might as well improoov

[Anonymous No.16227886]

>>16227849
Here is the chart.
And if you're not a nitwit, go read Aristotle.

[Anonymous No.16227902]

>>16227855
>Is Hill legit or just a 20th century version of tony robbins?
he's unironically worse somehow

[Anonymous No.16227906]

>now, anon, is that what you need or what you think you need?

[Anonymous No.16228046]

>>16227758
Tiny Habits

[Anonymous No.16228146]

>>16227783
>law of attraction
Please fucking no.

[Anonymous No.16228155]

>>16227758
"Self-improvement" is the same bullshit racket as "self-help". Only difference is the former is marketed to men rather than women.

[Anonymous No.16228157]

>>16227855
>Cant really lift due to a bike accident that messed my back up - but some i surely need some regular excercise
How bad? I know plenty of people who lift with injuries. Maybe you can work around it, many people do. Check out Jeff Cavaliere on youtube. His lifting advice is meme tier, his lifting with an injury advice is pure gold.
And plenty of cardio can be done on the spot at any time. All you have to do right now is get off your chair and jump in place quickly for a few minutes. That's all it takes. No excuses. Just do it.

[Anonymous No.16228163]

>>16227758
Okay, now you should go back to plebbit

[Anonymous No.16228180]

>>16227758
Peterson is incredibly useful for understanding the conceptual boundaries that are necessary in order to develop yourself fully. People say that he speaks in 'basic truisms' but what they don't understand is that every 'truism' he gives you is like a brick (aka smallest categorical unit of an abstract structure) and once you've processed all the bricks you've literally processed an entire complete ethical philosophy that also enables you to understand yourself psychologically and understand pretty much every metaphor there is. The problem with learning from a story or person (religion/ or basic role models in life) is that the way in which the story or role model behavior resonates is dependent on the learners perspective/bias, and so some people can be so stubborn or stuck that they actually need all the principles handed to them at max articulate resolution (especially nihilistic types). Jordan Peterson is that end.

Reading books about procrastenation is pointless because Peterson has the literal information that you need to do what needs to be done and it can be consumed faster than books (and for free). If you can't get ahold of yourself at that point you should take psychedelics and read a religious text. If you still aren't making progress than I truley believe it's your fault.

Remember that if you can't get your shit together after listening to Peterson theres no book that's gonna tell you anything he didn't so you should investigate yourself for the cause.

[Anonymous No.16228635]

Same here but I’m a student that is on the verge of getting expelled because I can’t get anything done in time and I my procrastination already reached pathological levels
Could adderall save my ass? I seriously think I have some type of adult adhd and it’s only a matter of to time until I get completely btfod
>>16228180
Is 12 rules for a life a good start if I want to get into petermeme?

[Anonymous No.16228668]

>>16228180
wtf are you saying that better be a copy pasta

[Anonymous No.16228759]

>>16228635
Methylphenidate is not speed based, it's generic Ritalin that you can get easily

[Anonymous No.16228913]

>>16227758
12 rules is fine.
Can't Hurt Me by Goggins is good primarily because in your weakness you remember Goggins and you think of how relatively low you are and how much you could be.
A Handbook for Constructive Living by David K Reynolds is based. Just try living by it for a week or so, even if you don't believe it at first.
Meditations, Epictetus, Seneca's letters.
Walden.
Get a poetry collection, a good one like Norton or Bloom's, and a spiral notebook. Write your goals for the next year in the journal. It is imperative you have concrete goals which you pursue. "Self improvement" is regarded as a meme because trying to generally improve yourself is like trying to get out of a forest by walking in randomly and heedlessly. You need to pick a direction and be focused towards it.
Wake up with the sun as Thoreau instructs. Write in your journal, "Today is day X of 365, and I have Y days left." Then read a poem, starting your day with impatience and beauty in your mind. At night come back to your journal and reflect on the day and how you moved or failed to move towards your goals.
Pretty much everyone important kept a journal of some kind, or wrote letters to the same effect. It's integral.
Pick up meditation. I like Zazen.

[Anonymous No.16229712]

>>16228635
12 rules is fine but watching his youtube lecture content will provide you will all the same information. Maps of Meaning and the Biblical lecture series is more important.

[Anonymous No.16229880]

>>16228668
I'm saying that procrastination books are a waste of time and money when Jordan Peterson literally uploads free YouTube videos of him describing the structure of motivation and perception, which contain everything a self-help book contains and more.

There are a lot of people that accuse Peterson of being a charlatan, saying "the way he speaks is meant to make basic things sound profound so laymen people give him money". They fail to understand that by fully articulating every principle element of the concepts he describes, he literally delivers explicit principles to people through speech so they don't have to infer them. The 'basic truisms' that Peterson is accused of spouting are actually the constitutional boundaries of principles that people normally have to infer. By removing the necessity to infer the structure of self-boundaries and of ethical truth, Peterson enables his listeners to become explicitly familiar with the 'bigger picture' rather than implicity familiar. Once somebody is fully familiar with his teachings they can process information using their intellectual faculty that before could only manifest empathetically. Theres an element of ambiguity in having to process meaning solely through empathy because one can create regrettable circumstances by following the wrong feelings.

[Anonymous No.16230022]

>>16229880
Heres an analogy. Biology is hardware, designed to facilitate software. The software (personality/spirit) functions according to three factors: material environment (your body as well as your location), temperament (measured on the Big 5, basically your determines how sensitive you are to evaluating certain kinds of sense-data) and the knowledge/belief structure.

The knowledge/belief structure exists as a set of conceptual boundaries, each boundary being occupied by a principle. This is identical to the source code of a software (I haven't done computer science since highschool but the analogy is that if you edit the values within the source code you change the behavior of the software). There are certain categories that are fundamental to the structure of consciousness (archetypes) such that they function even when the subject is unaware of them. By listening to Jordan Peterson you can become aware of each psychological category and how to examine whether it is pathological or not.

Here's an example of that in action. I was abused by narcissistic family members. A narcissist is constantly preoccupied with the delusion that they are the universal highest value (aka God). When a narcissist's environment behaves in any manner that does not facilitate their delusion (even if it doesn't necessarily undermine it) they will manipulate it until its behavior changes. If you are manipulated by a narcissist and you aren't aware of it, you've allowed them to trick you into treating them like god. When you 'act as though' they are god for long enough, the unconscious boundary between them and god dissolves. This is what Peterson means when he says 'belief is manifested in action'. The moment I was able to articulate that I experienced my entire physiology change as before I constantly felt and acted as though I were about to be put into a guillotine. If a human being occupies your psychological category of god, their judegent of you will feel eternal and omnipresent.

[Anonymous No.16230032]

>>16229880
>>16230022
Asking an expert in an empirical field to have a universal solution is a contradiction

[Anonymous No.16230044]

>>16230032
A universal solution is a hypothesis that cannot be falsified. Anybody can offer one, only at the risk of falsification.

[Anonymous No.16230331]

>>16228180
>>16229880
>>16230022
I find your take interesting and it was worth the read. As a representative of lurkers everywhere please keep posting on this board (even when you don't get yous).

[Anonymous No.16230346]

>>16230044
holy shit this must be bait. It's the mechanism that is argued should be falsifiable not the objects you moron or they wouldn't exist

[Anonymous No.16230351]

>>16230022
>computer analogy
Dropped

[Anonymous No.16230365]

>>16227758
>self improvement
>Jordan "druggin' me sum literal brain-damage" Peterson

[Anonymous No.16230384]

>>16230331
go back to lurking

[Anonymous No.16230406]

>>16230044
Also you're arguing it's a hypothesis that should be held by your ideological standard then doing so. That is foolish.

[Anonymous No.16230419]

>>16230044
Just because I love shitting on you absolutely uneducated retards, do you take your statement to be objectively or universally true? And ofc picrel

[Anonymous No.16230427]

Don't listen to the garbage pseud JP shills like the ones in this thread. Motivation and self improvement sound cool in your head, but what are you doing them for? Whats the goal or purpose?

[Anonymous No.16230445]

>>16230427
>to improooov
>>well should you not refer to reality
>no the individual! Lobsters!

[Anonymous No.16230488]

>>16229712
I dont really think his lectures might be that helpful for me - despite reading several books and watching and watching several decent videos in YouTube I still keep relapsing back into my terrible degenerate habits

Im setting up an appointment to a therapist - friend of mine said that it absolutely changed his life. He is getting a master's in engineering rn and he probably would have ended up being a janitor had he never been diagnosed (adhd)

[Anonymous No.16230498]

>>16230488
you can skip the step and just get adhd pills and coop up in sea or laam for a few months reading every day and nothing else

[Anonymous No.16230553]

>>16230445
JP is just a slave who pretends he isn't. The kind of guy who listens to motivation speeches unironically so he can find the will to do things he doesn't even want to do. One day or another these types get a healthy does of the abyss in reality, cracks like a fucking egg when he has to cope with all the questions he ignored for so many years. Usually it comes at death, sometimes its the mid life crisis, and others get it when they are young. JP read so much Netszche, but I don't think he ever understood him. If he doesn't kill himself from his benzo and drug addiction, he might just come to understand what he never did before.

[Anonymous No.16230556]

>>16227758
I'm in similar situation, but I started several months ago and turning my life around. I'm reading everyday and unironically, the book that helped me most was As a Man Thinketh by James Allen.

Also, 3 habits I picked up, that I believe everyone in the world should have: writing a diary, making daily, weekly and monthly plans and accounting your finances. All three made immediate effects to my well being in many different ways.

[Anonymous No.16230562]

>>16230553
I doubt he'll figure it out. He'll get the wrong message and double down into something else superficially

[Anonymous No.16230574]

>>16230406
>Also you're arguing it's a hypothesis that should be held by your ideological standard then doing so.
I don't know what ideological standard you're talking about. I just use basic reasoning.
>>16230419
Excuse me, I misunderstood your question. Jordan Peterson teaches principles that are universally applicable. For example, the notion that "the divine masculine is that which voluntarily confronts chaotic potential with truth using minimal necessary force", and "the phenomena of experience is the intercourse of feminine matrix and masculine categorization" are universally true just as the structure of math.

[Anonymous No.16230611]

>>16230574
the boy uses basic reasoning lol and logic surely and ofc facts
Gender differences are derivative of biology of being a human ⊂ mammal⊂ conscious being ⊂ material being.
There are different levels of universal truths. They apply everywhere materially and temporally but can be the subset of whatever its foundation is. The differences between gender are way less than between species.

[Anonymous No.16230613]

You alone, have responsibility for your life.
Know that you have already been made blameworthy, by yourself, for having been exposed to knowledge that you ultimately failed to understand.
It is still within your freedom, however, to understand this knowledge.
External validation and guidance will result in a reinforced status quo. Even over-reliance on this statement that seeks to reject external validation, is in-itself a reliance on external validation.
Seek the truth yourself, to the most of your capacity. Avoid the pitfalls of rhetoric (which I, and all of us, and most of the people discussed here, are doing here, and which most do everyday to others and to themselves).
What is otherwise...?

[Anonymous No.16230678]

>>16230488
Then you didn't understand my point. Jordan Peterson isn't there to give you "a" solution to your problem. He's there to help you develop an articulated understanding of yourself, therefore enabling you to understand what your problem(s) actually are rendering your solution practically self-evident. When you understand the conceptual boundaries he teaches you will probably look at your problem as a set of problems rather than one because you'll actually become aware of yourself and realize there's more going on than "I cant stop procrastenating".

Do you actually examine yourself? Why are you relapsing? What motivations did you succumb to? What problem do you have with your values that is enabling you to make decisions you know to be wrong?
>>16230611
"Gender" is a metaphor you dumb prick don't insult me. "Masculinity" and "Femininity" are abstract categories that actually correspond to behavior(personality), which is why they correspond to chaos and order, night and day, plug and outlet, etc. Obviously they are linked to biology because men tend to behave masculine and women feminine (which has to do with temperament and reproductive interest, NOT culture). They are metaphorically universal as all phenomena is derived from them as aspects (yin/yang).

[Anonymous No.16230708]

>>16230678
If you interpret them in a dualism then you are irreal. Darkness is the absence of light, it does not exist, coldness is the absence of darkness. Male is xy which starts off as xx. You are starting at the way bottom and assuming a top structure based on how deep down you are. You have no physical representations in dualism and you can't account for progress in a dualism. Depending on your interpretation of dualism you can't account for differences within the two and things are either very bright or not bright at all instead of a continuum of it. Your metaphor is shit and something some empiricist adherent would come up w

[Anonymous No.16230713]

>>16230708
coldness is the absence of heat*

[Anonymous No.16230727]

>>16230708
You are just completely missing the point and going on about your irrelevant confusion.

[Anonymous No.16230759]

>>16230727
yes ofc
>makes point
>gets btfo in several responses
>attempts to defend himself terribly
>gosh that's irrelevant because it hurts my ideology

Sure bro what's next you don't really accept dualisms? Good response bro

[Anonymous No.16230763]

>>16230727
How much y'all want to bet he only made it to darkness is the absence of light before becoming flustered?

Cope faggot, you're a moron

[Anonymous No.16230770]

>>16230727
>>16230713
>>16230708
>>16230678
>>16230611
>>16230574
>>16230488
>>16230406
>>16230331
>>16230044
>>16230032
>>16230022
>>16229880
>>16229712
>>16228180
>The virgin """""logic"""

>>16230427
>>16228155
>>16227794
>The chad philosopher

[Anonymous No.16230774]

>>16230759
Sucking your own dick in an online forum won't convince me or anybody that what I said was incoherent. I can't even respond to you because you haven't even engaged with anything I said. You don't fucking get it and it's not my job to help you. If you'd like to try again, re read my post, otherwise anybody else that understood it can enjoy not being as confused as you.

[Anonymous No.16230777]

>>16230770
You're not even a philosopher, logic is derivative of philosophy. You're necessarily implying a logic with your metaphysics

[Anonymous No.16230782]

>>16230763
No I read the whole post it was shit

[Anonymous No.16230790]

>>16230777
>MUH SEMANTIC WARS AND WORD GAMES IS REAL LOGIC

[Anonymous No.16230791]

>>16230774
Oh yes the genius who couldn't defend empiricism, coherentism or his pet dualism philosophy is somehow correct after all about said subjects. Wow he's even referred to talking shit after his effort post was btfo in one line. You're embarrassing bro, gtfoh go back to youtube. Stupid ass motherfucker

[Anonymous No.16230798]

>>16230782
>>16230790
Yes I brought out the soijacks. They get flustered when they have no response and aren't pampered.
Yall have neither read philosophy nor logic, there are tons of logic which refer to a metaphysics unless you think your metaphysics isn't universal. Stop soiposting and go read a book.

[Anonymous No.16230805]

>>16230790
>>16230782
>>16230774
You're all soijack posters, this is your alliance stupid. Try to refute anything I said. I'll even allow a YouTube video citation if you can bring up its relevant posts. I recommend a consensus on the next soijack

[Anonymous No.16230806]

>>16230798
>Yes I brought out the soijacks.

[Anonymous No.16230812]

>>16230790
>>16230791
>Oh yes the genius who couldn't defend empiricism
When was I supposed to? It's like you're having a conversation with yourself.
>coherentism or his pet dualism philosophy is somehow correct after all about said subjects.
>Wow he's even referred to talking shit after his effort post was btfo in one line.
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you on fucking drugs? Do you win arguments in your head and then tell the people you fantasized about arguing with that you Ben Shapiro'd them?

[Anonymous No.16230814]

>>16227758
did anyone itt improve yet?

[Anonymous No.16230818]

>>16230806

[Anonymous No.16230826]

>>16230812
By the way I'm a fouth year psych major and I've been taking philosophy classes since mid-highschool. I've read Aristotle, Kant, Neitzche, Russel, The Bible, Hiedigger and Dostoyevsky since January of this year. You coming at me with "darkness is the absence of light" is actually fucking embarassing on your part but you wouldn't notice that because you're totally preoccupied with celebrating the fact that you think you're smarter than me.

[Anonymous No.16230829]

>>16230812
Oh you're retarded. Yes I'll educate you, psychology as it is now is empirical. Empiricism is the inverse of rationalism. Rationalism makes universal claims. You see you tried to argue against them.
Also yin/yang means dualism. *pets* don't break your head son

[Anonymous No.16230834]

>>16230829
Do me a favour and quote me so I can actually respond to you

[Anonymous No.16230840]

>>16230826
holy shit you're worse than I thought, egotistical and wrong. Holy shit this shit just gets better

[Anonymous No.16230846]

>By the way I'm a fouth year psych major and I've been taking philosophy classes since mid-highschool.
I refuse to believe this isn't bait or isn't ironic

[Anonymous No.16230848]

>>16230834
Lmfaoo, he doesn't know
>>16230032
>>16230044

[Anonymous No.16230853]

>>16230840
No actually you're just a fucking narcissist and now you're projecting. From your first reply you've been trying to belittle my competence and assert educational superiority and now you're calling me egotistical for pointing that out while mentioning that I'm not uneducated.

[Anonymous No.16230855]

>>16230834
do-nothing pussy bitch

[Anonymous No.16230863]

>>16230855
I'm waiting to be quoted on where I argued against rationalism

[Anonymous No.16230867]

>>16230853
I argued very simply that empiricism can't make universal claims and you tried to refute. It was very simple except you did a terrible job defending anything. You don't have to be prideful but you should look over your ideology.

[Anonymous No.16230873]

>>16230867
I literally said
>>16230574
>Excuse me, I misunderstood your question. Jordan Peterson teaches principles that are universally applicable. For example, the notion that "the divine masculine is that which voluntarily confronts chaotic potential with truth using minimal necessary force", and "the phenomena of experience is the intercourse of feminine matrix and masculine categorization" are universally true just as the structure of math.

[Anonymous No.16230876]

>>16230863
you argued against universals which can only be grasped by reason. Reason is analytic truth, empiricism is synthetic truth. I fail to believe you've read kant if you don't know this. You really had no idea you were arguing against this even in a dualism it would have applied

[Anonymous No.16230878]

>>16230863
stupid faggot
silly faggot
fist it up your tush

dumb faggot
AIDS faggot
fuck a thorny bush

[Anonymous No.16230879]

>>16230867
Jung's Archetypes are universally applicable (hence the term Collective Unconscious).
>>16230876
I know what synthetic and analytical truths are. I've also read Language Truth and Logic.

[Anonymous No.16230881]

>>16230873
Sure so you missed that and then I argued against that interpretation of universals and you missed that too.

[Anonymous No.16230886]

what's an oasis? Does it hold water?

[Anonymous No.16230891]

>>16230879
no they aren't, they're not even empirically applicable how can they be universally applicable. They don't tie with iq, it's simply a frankensteinian concept that takes parts of realish terms and says it's real.

Wow bro, so how'd you manage to not conclude you were arguing against rationalism by means of denying universal objects.

[Anonymous No.16230895]

>>16230814
>>16230886
I keep seeing you around, can you put a tripcode on for me?

[Anonymous No.16230901]

>>16230881
You haven't even begun to approach anything I've said because you literally don't understand what I said.
>It was very simple except you did a terrible job defending anything. You don't have to be prideful but you should look over your ideology.
I don't have to defend against criticisms you never made.

>>16230891
lol

[Anonymous No.16230909]

>>16230901
>you don't understand me bro

Okay then how did I miss on attacking your concept of universals. That's where you left off

[Anonymous No.16230912]

>>16230909
Take one of the principles and then come up with an example of their lack of applicability and you win the argument

[Anonymous No.16230923]

>>16230912
okay night and day differ ontologically by light and dark. You're proclaiming darkness has ontological existence. It doesn't even have physical existence. There is nothing about darkness that exists. So your claim on night and day being ontological representations of universals is wrong. Your universals aren't universally applicable.

[Anonymous No.16230931]

>>16230886
I think the dorks are weighing whether to think about self-improvement again lmfao
the "oasis" is a device purchased to facilitate the self-improvement, haha

[Anonymous No.16230941]

>>16230931
lol, why don't they improve themselves instead of arguing about it? Is this supposed to be like Gilligan's Island?

[Anonymous No.16230943]

[Anonymous No.16230946]

>>16230941
No it's a place for your shit edits on /b/

[Anonymous No.16230950]

>>16230941
Seriously can you put on a trip?

[Anonymous No.16230977]

>>16230826
>Hiedigger

[Anonymous No.16231005]

>>16230923
We are having two different conversations. When did I ever use the term darkness?

There are an infinite number of things you can notice at any given moment, but you notice one thing at a time.
Anything you notice is noticed because it's relavent. Its relevant either because its an obstacle or a facilitator between you and a goal. If it weren't relavant, you would notice something else. When you are in a boring place, thoughts can become more relavent than the environement, hence daydreams.
All sense data has to be discriminated categorically in order for experience to render (if not you would basically experience white noise)
You cannot derive an ought from an is, and as such perception cannot be divorced from ethics because you need a value in order to orient the sorting. .
The fundamental categories are "order" and "chaos".

Yes, darkness is the absence of photon particles. That's not what we're talking about. You don't notice the lack of photon particles when you notice that it is dark. You notice that you can't see, which is why darkness is a universal symbol for "chaos". Ultimately, darkness is the unconscious, obviously because if you can't see anything you aren't conscious of your visual surroundings. God is the Light because God is consciousness as such.

[Anonymous No.16231014]

Ahhhh, peace finally

[Anonymous No.16231049]

keep chugging, anons

[Anonymous No.16231054]

>>16231005
You said night and day, I defined them by their ontological difference. >>16230943
I don't disagree with your point of ethics being divorced from epistemology (which are both derivative of ontology), I'd say that contradicts not being able to derive an ought from an is but i accept the conclusion.
That being said I deny that's a justification for order vs chaos. I deny chaos existing because what happens in this universe is ordered. Entropy is due to metaphysical and physical laws, deterministically they are ordered.
The lack of something existing isn't existence. I'll quote Quine even if I'm not a formalist, "Every(thing) exists" therefore the inverse holds "No(thing) does not exist."

I don't think a non-being justifies darkness, you made them a subset of each other with chaos and I don't know a representation of chaos existing. I feel asserting non-existing objects forces you to accound for things such as invisible dinosaurs on my shoulder or the non-pizza in my mouth.

[Anonymous No.16231062]

>>16231054
not being divorced of ethics from epistemology*

[Anonymous No.16231067]

>>16231005
Also for your universals to be universally applicable it must apply physically.

[Anonymous No.16231121]

>>16231054
>"Masculinity" and "Femininity" are abstract categories that actually correspond to behavior(personality), which is why they correspond to chaos and order, night and day, plug and outlet, etc.
I said 'night and day' while listing off metaphorically equivalent contrasts.

> I deny chaos existing because what happens in this universe is ordered.
>Also for your universals to be universally applicable it must apply physically
You still haven't even begun to grasp what I'm saying, and I promise I'm not saying that to ridicule you or be a dick I'm just dead serious.

When a tennis ball comes at your face, you flinch before the visual data actually renders through your visual cortex (before you actually see it) because your retina is also mapped to your nervous system so you can react in time. The point is that everything you experience is first filtered through a system of values before it is experienced. The values are more real than the experience because the same object can look different depending on how it is evaluated (rabbit/duck optical illusion).

[Anonymous No.16231150]

>>16231121
>The values are more real than the experience
The values are more real than the material* my bad

[Anonymous No.16231158]

>>16231121
Dude desu I have no clue what you're trying to say but you can't address my contradictions. I deny people can make nonsense statements so I'm sure you're being truthful about something but none of those are good responses. The rabbit/duck illusion to justify dualism is really bad but I'm out, I do recommend debating your metaphysics or ideology with someone else because there are a lot of holes in it.

[Anonymous No.16231169]

>>16231121
Also you can't use particulars to justify a universal because you'll just drop the particulars that don't work and assert the universal still stands.

[Anonymous No.16231187]

>>16230941
interesting point

[Anonymous No.16231189]

>>16231158
If you think you can disagree with the existence of chaos then I can't even begin to talk to you about this because you don't get it at all. You think I'm talking about dualism when I'm trying to explain something that's semantic/phenomenological.

At any moment, when whatever you're doing does not behave as expected, you have detected chaos. It is chaos because the knowledge structure you were going with proved insufficient in some way, causing you to enter a state of adjustment. People with PTSD experience something so chaotic that when their mind attempts to adapt to the event it can't due to its severity and you stay in the 'domain in chaos' which is basically the moment you notice something is wrong extended perpetually.

[Anonymous No.16231211]

>>16231189
>People with PTSD experience something so chaotic that when their mind attempts to adapt to the event it can't due to its severity and you stay in the 'domain in chaos' which is basically the moment you notice something is wrong extended perpetually.
'domain of* chaos' phoneposting
Also by adapt I mean evaluate the event and then update the knowledge structure adaptively

[Anonymous No.16231218]

>>16231189
Man isn't the measure of truth and whichever part he misses he must contend w reality to get it fixed. You can argue solipsism without referring to reality. If it doesn't refer to analogy it's kinda not falsifiable, right? That was my main point about psychology as a coherent empirical field.

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>>16227758
Read: https://www.owleyes.org/text/the-fallacy-of-success/read/g-k-chestertons-the-fallacy-of-success

The only text on self-improvement books you need

[Anonymous No.16231421]

>>16231218
OK I'm gonna try one more time and if this doesn't make sense to you idk what to do about it

Everything you experience has to be contextualized in your mind. From the moment you are born, any object you can perceive has to belong to a category or else you literally wouldn't see/hear/smell/taste/feel/think it. Your brain has to associate it with a category, otherwise, the sensory input is irrelevant, ignored and therefore not experienced. Experience is that which enters your field of attention.

"Chaos" exists because you don't know everything, therefore the moment you encounter something that undermines or challenges your knowledge structure, you've encountered "chaos". "Chaos" is a value, making it metaphysical, but your body reacts to it as though it were an object. This is because you don't react to matter, you react to values. When you see a cliff and become anxious, your anxiety provoked by the danger detected and nothing else. It's not the height of the cliff that scares you, nor that the ground is hard, its that the fall will kill you. That makes the cliff a manifestation of "chaos", hence the anxiety.

[Anonymous No.16231449]

>>16231421
A car coming towards you at full speed is a threat. When you have an exam tomorrow and you didn't prepare, the anxiety you feel is also because you've detected 'threat'. The car is an object but it only entered your field of attention because it was threatening. The objective 'threat' is what caused you to notice the car, because that's what you were actually looking at. Matter is just something that can be experienced. Its not as real as the structure of experience.

[Anonymous No.16231503]

>>16231449
Basically the point is that abstract concepts are more objectively constant than matter because matter can manifest to the observer in an infinite number of ways depending on their perspective of it but semantic boundaries cant.

[Anonymous No.16231893]

>>16229880
>>16230022
lmao, kys chud

[Anonymous No.16231926]

the rational male - practical book; and the willpower instinct

[Anonymous No.16232016]

>>16231893
If what is real is what is true accross all instances of observation then symantic categories are real and material substance is illusion

[Anonymous No.16232761]

https://youtu.be/nqONu6wDYaE

[Anonymous No.16232777]

>>16232016
you heckin epistemed bruh wtf

[Anonymous No.16232780]

The Bible
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[Anonymous No.16232801]

>>16227758
Get exercise, go fucking outside, and most important get a good diet. Stop eating Burger King and drinking monster all the time OP.

[Anonymous No.16232878]

>>16232777
Pardon sorry

[Anonymous No.16234247]

JBP is top-tier

[Anonymous No.16234348]

>>16227855
it's a good book

[Anonymous No.16234387]

>>16227794
only if you don't act on it

[Anonymous No.16234728]

>>16227758
Read Nietzsche, he should fill you with the most potent vigor for life.

[Anonymous No.16234910]

>>16227885
Why not?

[Anonymous No.16235078]

>>16234910
Can't control my body so I'm not drinking or eating for four days until I die. One day down

[Anonymous No.16235107]

>>16227758
You have to really, really want it. Then you just do it. That's it. There's no magic. You literally force yourself to do it and gradually build discipline.

[Anonymous No.16235243]

>>16235107
This. A lot of people think its about reducing your desire to procrastinate. The key is to develop an articulate vision of why you need to stop and why what you ought to be doing is more worthwhile so you can stop ignoring you priorities.

[Anonymous No.16235296]

>>16232777
I have aspergers and a really high verbal iq. I've come to understand that the only difference between me and others is that my memory recognizes abstract things with equal amount of salience as physical objects, so when I understand the definitions of the words being used to describe a concept (assuming the words are literally accurate and not approximate) I'll become so familiar with the concept it's as though I understand it by verbal definition. It also causes me to be really obsessive over how I philosophically view the world because I become very uncomfortable when I notice myself entering cognitive dissonance.

[Anonymous No.16235361]

>>16235107
But how do you "want it" in first place. I belive that would come from a miracle, a "push of fate", and just talk to yourself won't work, it hasn't work before. What we can do is create more opportunity for the miracle to appear by doing thing we can do like try to push the limit, mediation, reading books, or in short, just live your life as you can

[Anonymous No.16235387]

>>16230770
You quoted me as both chad and virgin

[Anonymous No.16235560]

>>16235361
Define what it is you want concretely, write out the steps you need in order to accomplish it, and then do it. The rest is mental masturbation/procrastination. This sounds like I'm being an aggressive jerk, but literally none of this stuff with "motivation" or "spiritual growth" will get you further than just doing it. The voice in your head, or the excuse you give yourself or whatever it is is a spook/bullshit. Just hunker down and start working towards your goals.

[Anonymous No.16235697]

>>16227758
Workout everyday and eat healthy food. Brush your teeth and clean your body.
Study a language. Have a goal of living in a country of that language.
Practice something creative like art or music. Commit to a big project like an album, or a book. Get it done, then start another.
Build your own house. Make it perfect. Grow your own food. Cook it on your own.
Walk or bike. Don't drive.
Get a girlfriend and have sex with her. Marry her if you like her. Don't wait too long to do so.

There you go OP. Self improvement books already tell you what you know. Just go and do it.

[Anonymous No.16235716]

>>16235697
why would i listen to a jezebelposter?

[Anonymous No.16235731]

>>16232777
Congratulations. Your shitty gifs got you filtered. Stupid fucking tranny.

>>16235716
Don't. Do the opposite of what I said. I'm sure it'll work well for you.

[Anonymous No.16235849]

>>16235731
Not him but you need some hobby w clear winners and losers