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[Anonymous No.16320433]

>collectivism? nah bro, i’m gonna do my own thing

[Anonymous No.16320567]

>>16320433
Stirner was just a Neurotic solipsist. I don't see his appeal. Nietzsche does a way better job at conveying egoism

[Anonymous No.16320578]

Feeling manlier because you don't "indulge in collectivism" is a spook too, the real superman egoist would be extremely collectivist as a means to his goals

[Anonymous No.16320580]

Nietzsche is an hedonist desperate to built a narrative where he is a good guy. 100% vaginal idea.

[Anonymous No.16320588]

>>16320578
this guy basically

[Anonymous No.16320591]

>>16320578
>superman egoist would be extremely collectivist
no

[Anonymous No.16320669]

>>16320578
depends on his goals

[Anonymous No.16320676]

>>16320669
Yeah if his goals are "losing every single time due to sheer numbers" then he might be inclined to be an individualist

[Anonymous No.16320718]

>>16320676
losing in what context and to who?

[Anonymous No.16320828]

>>16320433
He was a collectivist. Ever hear of his union of egotists?

[Anonymous No.16320834]

>>16320828
egoists*

[Anonymous No.16320862]

>>16320433
I'm aware Stirner has a meme status here but his book honestly resonated with me immensely.

[Anonymous No.16320884]

>>16320828
It's not the same thing, Stirner's idea is more loose and the funding idea is individualism.

[Anonymous No.16320913]

>>16320433
I always wonder why left cucks like stirner so fucking much. He is literally their antithesis, why they like him so much? Are they idiots?

[Anonymous No.16320941]

>>16320913
i think he makes them seethe. only chad anarchists like him. and not ancom faggots or egalitarians antifa types, literal anarchists

[Anonymous No.16320953]

>>16320913
What Stirner proposed has been built on and taken to its extreme consequence by both the left and right. You can take it as the fundament of both anarco-capitalism and anarco-communism.
The reason for this is that Stirner never concerned himself with such elaborations and I argue he would've refused them, his idea is much more simple and radical.

[Anonymous No.16321015]

>>16320567
hahaha

[Anonymous No.16321051]

>>16320884
Individuals with the same interests helping each other out in a union is still collectivism

[Anonymous No.16321059]

>>16320913
He was one step away from Marx

[Anonymous No.16321093]

>>16321059
far from it, retard

[Anonymous No.16321112]

>>16321059
this is a fairly simple observation

[Anonymous No.16321127]

>>16321059
now post the quote where he blames labour for the shit working conditions because of their inability to organize

[Anonymous No.16321135]

>>16321059
Marx spent as many pages shitting on Stirner's ideas sentence by sentence as Stirner spent to write his book. Marx considered him a terrible enemy. Hell, people today mostly remember Stirner as "that guy who made Marx seethe".

[Anonymous No.16321260]

>>16321127
Still sounds like Marxism to me

[Anonymous No.16321269]

>>16321051
Any for of collectivism, by definition, entails prioritization of the group over the self. Stirner rejects such things.

[Anonymous No.16321294]

>>16321260
shhh we're deprogramming the right. it doesn't work if you give away the game.

[Anonymous No.16321331]

>>16321260
Stirner wants the individual to break free from everything, including being a wagie. Simple as that. Insurrection.
Marx wants the working class to take over. Revolution.
Let me quote the words of Marx from a letter he wrote to Engels.
>This egoism [Stirner's] is taken to such a pitch, it is so absurd and at the same time so self-aware, that it cannot maintain itself even for an instant in its one-sidedness, but must immediately change into communism. In the first place it's a simple matter to prove to Stirner that his egoistic man is bound to become communist out of sheer egoism. That's the way to answer the fellow. In the second place he must be told that in its egoism the human heart is of itself, from the very outset, unselfish and self-sacrificing, so that he finally ends up with what he is combating. These few platitudes will suffice to refute the one-sidedness. But we must also adopt such truth as there is in the principle. And it is certainly true that we must first make a cause our own, egoistic cause, before we can do anything to further it – and hence that in this sense, irrespective of any eventual material aspirations, we are communists out of egoism also, and it is out of egoism that we wish to be human beings, not mere individuals.
I suggest reading the whole letter.

[Anonymous No.16321685]

>>16321331
>In the second place he must be told that in its egoism the human heart is of itself, from the very outset, unselfish and self-sacrificing, so that he finally ends up with what he is combating
marx is such a fucking hack

[Anonymous No.16321787]

>Look at Stirner, look at him,
>the peaceful enemy of all constraint.
>For the moment, he is still drinking beer,
>soon he will be drinking blood
>as though it were water.
>When others cry savagely
>«down with the kings»
>Stirner immediately supplements
>«down with the laws also».
>Stirner full of dignity proclaims;
>you bend your will power,
>and you dare to call yourselves free,
>You become accustomed to slavery;
>Down with dogmatism, down with law.

[Anonymous No.16321838]

>>16320433
Without backing from a collective, you get your shit pushed in. Play any sandbox pvp game and you'll find this to be the case.

[Anonymous No.16321855]

>>16321787
>«down with the laws also»

[Anonymous No.16321859]

>>16320567
Nietzsche didn't write in the same environment as Marx, he and Stirner are quite different.
Stirner is also funny, while Nietzsche is, one may judge, cringe

[Anonymous No.16321922]

>>16321838
The point he makes is keeping the individual the most important thing when you associate with others. When I was younger I used to lead a guild in a mmorpg and I ran it as an union of egoists.

[Anonymous No.16321939]

>>16321859
>Stirner is also funny
Regardless of how you judge him this is very much true. It's a pleasure to read how he shots down everyone and everything, among other things he had the guts to call Socrates a fool.

[Anonymous No.16321956]

>>16321838
1 v 6 30 kill streak nuke GG