/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16541534]

Nietzsche advocates a form of paganism. Would /lit/ agree with that statement? The goal of creating one's own values seems like a return to the irrational worldview of primitive men who made their own gods. And master morality prevailed everywhere until foreign religion - the original globalists, the Christians, Islamists, Buddhists, etc. - displaced local, racial, and national beliefs.

[Anonymous No.16542103]

Bump.

[Anonymous No.16542119]

>>16541534
No. You can't just make gods and then believe in them.

[Anonymous No.16542121]

Why do you assume that a return to paganism would dogmatically adhere to 4chan tier race realism?

[Anonymous No.16542133]

>>16541534
I wish atheists would be content with being atheists and would stop trying to intrude into religion. If you consciously make your own religion then you're a fucking retard. Keep yourself separated from those of us who understand spirituality.

[Anonymous No.16542134]

>>16541534
Nietzsche was some stupid facist. He was retroactively refuted by March(pbuh).

[Anonymous No.16542330]

>>16542133
They crave spirituality and simultaneously claim this craving doesnt exist. its truly baffling

[Anonymous No.16542364]

What manga is that OP?

[Anonymous No.16542391]

>>16542330
All humans have an abyss in them, religion has traditionally been what we've projected this abyss on. The religious idea of idolatry is projecting this void on idols, which is what you see in the modern world with race worship, communism, funko pop collecting, ect

[Anonymous No.16542397]

>>16541534
Non-/pol/poster here. You can find what you want if you look for it in the world. Faith does require devotion though.

[Anonymous No.16542404]

>>16542364
It's just somebody's drawing from pixiv, not a manga

[Anonymous No.16542424]

>>16542404
Anyone can recommend a manga with that feel/style?

[Anonymous No.16542916]

>>16542119
Sounds like cope from someone with shitty brain gods

[Anonymous No.16543003]

>>16542424
>>>/a/
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.16543085]

>>16541534
Not really, he calls for the removal of morality derived from any religion in general.
>>16542121
I had this same question.
>>16542134
No, you're just retarded and can't handle anything outside of the Marxist Dogmatic Principles. You utilize the critiques of others because you yourself can't make any, you're exactly what Nietzsche would describe as having the so-called 'Sheep Mentality'.
>>16542391
>>16542391
>>16542391
>>16542391
Absolutely fucking this.

[Anonymous No.16543101]

>>16541534
Nietzsche was dumb but come on OP he wasn't that dumb.

[Anonymous No.16543303]

>>16543003
cheers, will check it out

[Anonymous No.16543487]

>>16543085
>he calls for the removal of morality derived from any religion in general.
He calls for master morality, which looks suspiciously like pagan morality.

[Anonymous No.16543514]

>>16543487
Retard

[Anonymous No.16544027]

>>16543487
Paraphrasing from Nietzsche; If master morality had been sufficient, it would never have been deposed by slave morality. Therefore, the new morality which will succeed slave morality ought to be better than the both of them.

[Anonymous No.16544600]

>>16544027
Paraphrasing from Nietzsche: I love big anime titties

[Anonymous No.16545243]

>>16542119
So someone else has to make gods and then trick or force you into believing in them?

[Anonymous No.16545373]

>>16542119
of course you can

[Anonymous No.16545414]

>>16545373
then it is explicit instead of implicit. it is a form of exoteric creation rather than esoteric discovery.
>>16545243
In a way yes. That someone can in a round about way be you, like if you psyop yourself into thinking you found something rather than artificially creating it. At most creating a god is a form of jungian exercise rather than a commitment of faith.

[Anonymous No.16545426]

>>16545414
Religion is a just a form of psychosis. Anyone with a sufficiently stunted mental capacity can convince themselves to become a psychotic believer in some bullshit.

[Anonymous No.16545428]

>>16541534
No I think thats reductionist and gay.

I do agree that more glabalist universalising faiths allow slave morality to more easily sink in, but its not like its exclussive to them. Readig the greeks you can find legitamently dveote men who engage in slave morality, while also finding others that use it as a form of will to power. which can in a way just be seen as a more cynical utilization of a semi-universalizing system for their particular will.

[Anonymous No.16545429]

>the goal
>of creating one's own values

Pick one

[Anonymous No.16545433]

>>16545426
spirituality is the ultimate midwit filter, and you got filtered my friend

[Anonymous No.16545439]

>>16545433
Oh no, your baseless 4chan rhetoric has convinced me I am wrong because I'm a mindless braindead sissy who just believes anything some random retard on the internet tells him! Oh wait, go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.16545443]

>>16545426
I dont necessarily disagree, but that doesnt take away from the fact that concious creation is rather anathema to the very notion of true faith. at least the inkling of a transcendental experience, even if its absolutely from you being a retard or do it subconsciously, is necessary for faith and not it just being larpy symbology.

[Anonymous No.16545445]

>>16541534
this looks cozy, where is it from?

[Anonymous No.16545453]

>>16545439
keep watching that void friend, im sure you feel superior doing it

[Anonymous No.16545464]

>>16545243
>>16545373
The gods exist independent of human thought or action. This is why they are still referred to in secular societies, their truth is inexhaustible and the violence of their laws strikes into the minds of even narcissistic figures.

[Anonymous No.16545486]

>>16545443
Schizophrenics make up bullshit and legitimately believe it though, they even have what they believe to be transcendental experiences. The only difference between a true believer and a schizophrenic is a layer of degrees.

[Anonymous No.16545492]

>>16541534
no, he advocates atheism

[Anonymous No.16545500]

>>16545486
Everything that you think is objective reality is bullshit and yet you believe it. Would you call yourself schizophrenic?

[Anonymous No.16545509]

>>16545486
Again, like I said, not even wrong. I would consider Schizophrenic belief a subset of belief. Im not like the other retard who thinks it is necissarily something real deep or intellectual. But as long as we are talking about belief, it should necissarily reflect a belief rather than a symbol pretending to be a belief.

[Anonymous No.16545511]

>>16545500
>objective reality
it's don't
>you believe it
I don't. I don't believe anything. I make educated decisions based on the information available to me and attempt to act in line with my values. Values are inherently irrational and irreducible since they're the result of external uncontrollable events. I'm probably just a biological machine based on what I can ascertain, but who gives a fuck I enjoy being alive because my brain seems to work that way. I think therefore I think.

[Anonymous No.16545519]

>>16545486
Schizophrenic claims are contradicted by empirical reality, most metaphysical claims can't be. Schizos do tend believe a bunch of religious stuff though

[Anonymous No.16545536]

>>16545511
>I don't. I don't believe anything.
LMAO

[Anonymous No.16545537]

>>16545509
The thing is belief implies that you inherently accept something as a truth. That seems like a non-optimal thing since you can't ascertain truth, it's an abstraction.
>>16545519
>contradicted by empirical reality
Which is contingent on the belief that the collectively observed experiences of humans accurately represent their reality.

[Anonymous No.16545543]

>>16541534
He advocated a reevaluation of morality as a whole. So no he didn’t advocate paganism or any religion.

[Anonymous No.16545550]

>>16545537
>Which is contingent on the belief that the collectively observed experiences of humans accurately represent their reality.
Sure, but it's still a difference between schizos and religious people within that framework, which is widely(if not in some fashion universally) accepted.

[Anonymous No.16545633]

>>16545537
>That seems like a non-optimal thing since you can't ascertain truth, it's an abstraction.
True, but then we would be getting into the topic of the legitamacy of faith and belief in itself in regards to some kind of emperical value, which by its nature is kind of paradoxical since a belief preceeds reason. imo im in the camp of Hume when it comes to its manifestation (with showings of more grounded displays of it like in the acceptance of causality or probability).

[Anonymous No.16545660]

>>16541534
>a form of paganism
His philosophy is not that crude.

>master morality prevailed everywhere until foreign religion - the original globalists, the Christians, Islamists, Buddhists, etc. - displaced local, racial, and national beliefs.
Master moralists are "globalists" in the sense that they want their empire to stretch all the way to the ends of reality itself, but "globalism" as in the monotheistic tendency of "one shoe size for all" is definitely what he opposed, you have that part right. Nietzsche was very militaristic; he wanted civilization to be ordered like the military is, with each rank only equipped with the tools and knowledge it needs to accomplish its purposes and nothing beyond that.

[Anonymous No.16545662]

>>16545633
Not that other guy. I believe in God and that God wants us to do the right thing and we'll be accountable to him somehow for what we do. That's it, in terms of spirituality or religion I believe nothing more. But I feel zero doubt about it it. Would you call that faith?

[Anonymous No.16545678]

>No. You can't just make gods and then believe in them.

[Anonymous No.16545685]

>>16545662
does it presceeds or transends reason? then yes.

its not necessarily a Humian point either, different stripes of the same general principle are stated by Kant and Plato and augustine and aquinus and Schopenhauer and so on.

[Anonymous No.16545718]

>>16541534
>Nietzsche advocates a form of paganism. Would /lit/ agree with that statement?
No.

[Anonymous No.16545741]

>>16545660
>in this moment i am euphoric

[Anonymous No.16545794]

>>16541534
>reintroduce the Dionysian egregore
>the Promethean welded to Parsi Zoroaster necessary for a new Hellenism
He's more apostate Orthodox than Lutheran . . . not anti-religion as such any more than Napoleon was -- for practical reasons.

>>16542391
>All humans have an abyss in them
>religious idea of idolatry is projecting this void on idols
You are the leading edge perspective on the crest of an ancestral blockchain that happens all at once at the level of the Absolute -- you are every one of your forebearers and progeny, "The bridge to the Overman is built on the bodies of higher men."

[Anonymous No.16545799]

>>16545741
>if I suggest he's an edgy hipster, I don't have to make any meaningful contribution to the discussion

[Anonymous No.16545800]

Yeah he worshipped the gods of cringe.

[Anonymous No.16545812]

>>16545794
Holy I want less.

[Anonymous No.16545818]

>>16545741
go home. I dont even think you know the words you are typing. He didnt even say anything fadoraish

[Anonymous No.16545833]

>>16541534
>Nietzsche advocates a form of paganism. Would /lit/ agree with that statement?

I think Nietzsche advocates for that sort of thing in the same way that someone might tell you to admire particular Marvel superheroes. It isn't the "advocacy" of believing-to-be-real.

[Anonymous No.16545838]

>>16545818
Lmao
"God", "immortality of the soul", "redemption", "beyond" -- Without exception, concepts to which I have never devoted any attention, or time; not even as a child. Perhaps I have never been childlike enough for them?
I do not by any means know atheism as a result; even less as an event: It is a matter of course with me, from instinct. I am too inquisitive, too questionable, too exuberant to stand for any gross answer. God is a gross answer, an indelicacy against us thinkers - at bottom merely a gross prohibition for us: you shall not think!

[Anonymous No.16545864]

>>16545818
>Another question interests me in a much different way: the question of nutrition; the 'salvation of humanity' is much more dependent on this question than on any theological oddity.

[Anonymous No.16545875]

>>16545838
It's literally the euphoric quote. Wtf nietzsche?

[Anonymous No.16545881]

>>16545864
>>16545838
yes, and? those are not the same thing as the point the other guy was talking about.
>euphoric
only makes sense if they are being actively cringy (which the guy wasnt)

[Anonymous No.16545887]

>>16545881
COPE

[Anonymous No.16545973]

Thank you global pandemic for the eternal summer we all now have to deal with.
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[Anonymous No.16545995]

>>16545973
Implying it's not the summerfags spamming neetch.

[Anonymous No.16546007]

>>16545995
It's both, considering Nietzsche threads have been terribly low quality as of late.

[Anonymous No.16546828]

>>16545243
That's an intentionally stupid answer, but at least you understand why Nietzsche was such a terrible thinker.

[Anonymous No.16546919]

>>16541534
Nietzsche's thought is based on a paradox; in order to follow him, you have to imagine a higher form of life to which mankind ought to aspire, yet his atheism makes the assertion of anything higher than man ridiculous. The Overman, is, whether intentionally or not, metaphysical. Mankind is not now the Overman, so the assertion that mankind will be the Overman is a blind assertion of teleology. So Nietzsche is not a philosopher, he is a prophet without a god, not a pagan, although you are right that he verges on that level of irrationality.

I mean he wants life never to lose its vivid colour and be debased by too much civility, but that's a crazy fear. If you made a utopia with enough material to produce and to satisfy the "last man," then you've already entered fantasy land so much that you are just writing pop fiction and the elements of the utopian vision that you withhold in order to make it into a dystopia are likewise completely arbitrary and are little more than plot devices.

You may as well write a story about a heaven with no angels; that would be a sad occurrence if it were true. If I were reading that there were heaven but with no angels in a book, it might give me the feels enough to consider that I need a drink at midday if it were done with convincing prose, but I could forget about it in an hour or two of having fun outside, because it is nothing more than someone's fancy despite the rhetorical flourish.

[Anonymous No.16546934]

>>16541534
>Nietzsche advocates a form of paganism.
This is.. imprecise but I can kind of agree. "Primitive" man did not make up his own gods. I suggest reading pic related to get a historical and anthropological understaning of 'universal' and 'folk' religions. Also 'The Ancient CIty' by Coulanges.

[Anonymous No.16547178]

He advocated for a paganism without systematization. So he both advocated for paganism and he did not. Once you know something it loses its meaning.

You're supposed to become a pagan without religion.

[Anonymous No.16547193]

>>16541534
>Pagans made their own God's
Neo-paganism is such a ridiculous LARP.

[Anonymous No.16547962]

>>16545838
Wow this is just sad.

[Anonymous No.16548412]

>>16544600
this desu senpai

[Anonymous No.16548418]

>>16543487
>He calls for master morality
I wish there was some way to identify (and ban) people who make statements about books / writers they haven't read on this board, like an actual algorithm or some shit

[Anonymous No.16549055]

>>16545492
this. he literally says to stop worrying about gods and worry self-mastery and bringing forth the ubermensch