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[Anonymous No.16626173]

Hypothesis: The French Revolution marks the start of the decline of Western civilization.

Book recommendations for this topic? Also your opinion on it.

[Anonymous No.16626190]

>>>/his/

[Anonymous No.16626198]

If that is true, then the decline of the Ancien Régime marks the decline. The revolution was a direct response to the decadance and gross negligence and ineptitude of a collapsing feudal system, that could not provide even bread to its people or money for its own coffers.

[Anonymous No.16626212]

>>16626198
One does not react to decadence with violent decadence.

[Anonymous No.16626258]

>>16626173
isnt that a pretty common opinion though? Most everyone considers the french revolution to kinda be the start of the modern age.
>>16626198
It was kinda a wirlwind of things and circumstances. Bad harvist, Rich intelligencia being all hyped, Weak king, etc, a perfect storm. It might have not even hapened. and besides, it was mostly a Parisian thing.

[Anonymous No.16626272]

>>16626173
OP here. I'm actually thinking the French revolution alongside the reformation and even renaissance would have been the milestones signalling the inevitable decline that might have already been in progress. im thinking way more holistically. ie what point in european history would mark the transition from generative forms to degenerative forms. from establishment of the cultural foundations to the peak of said culture, to deconstruction and ultimately decline. I'm not a doomer but it's safe to say that there is very little vitality left in western civilization, it feels exhausted. there is still scientific progress, technological progress but the cultural form itself seems to be dying, the discourse is completely rationalistic and constantly in a mode of deconstruction, collapsing in on itself rather than functioning in a mode of construction, of building new cultural forms or sustaining and developing existing ones.

[Anonymous No.16626284]

>>16626272
If you want to know where the cultural spirit died, it's the first World War.

[Anonymous No.16626289]

>>16626272
But then you look backwards and I suppose the black death might have been an end of an era. And those radical changes were essentially an already new era. If Covid mutates and proves to be an extremely deadly pandemic perhaps we're at that same point where something radically new might emerge after it.

[Anonymous No.16626294]

>>16626272
Jesus, the shit pseuds post here nowadays. Please articulate clearly what the difference between a "generative" and "degenerative" cultural form is, and how it relates to "civilizational decline".

[Anonymous No.16626310]

>>16626212
It was a purge of rightfully hated elements. And despite the violence it was guided by lofty ideals.

>>16626258
>It was kinda a wirlwind of things and circumstances.
But the unifying factor was the inefficiency and decay of the feudal system. It had no answers for any of those contingencies.
>it might have not even happened
The same can be said of anything, that's a vacuous statement. The fact is it did happen and it was a response to something.

[Anonymous No.16626328]

>>16626294
It's literally explained inside the post you're quoting.

[Anonymous No.16626336]

>>16626310
>It was a purge of rightfully hated elements. And despite the violence it was guided by lofty ideals.

Very debatable.

[Anonymous No.16626355]

>>16626173
Film / Playscript: Marat/Sade.

[Anonymous No.16626358]

>>16626310
>The same can be said of anything, that's a vacuous statement
no it isnt. its a statment that shows it wasnt an innevitable outcome form a contingent pov (which pretty much every historiographer takes).
>But the unifying factor was the inefficiency and decay of the feudal system
France wasnt even full on feudal at that point and that kind of determinism is kinda flawed. Why didnt it happen 30 years before it did? why didnt it happen in Ulm or Austria? Why was The English civil war so phenomially different even though it was an upset of a similar system? They are complex questions with no definitive answer like
>X system was inefficent and decayed.

[Anonymous No.16626361]

you niggas simping for feudal lords would happily put ’kapo’ on a postwar resume

[Anonymous No.16626378]

>>16626358
Going off this why did the revolution happen in france as compared to japan or any other "feudal" system in the world?

[Anonymous No.16626385]

>>16626361
Who simped for feudalism?

[Anonymous No.16626407]

>>16626328
If you think that qualifies as an explanation your thinking is muddled. Having "very little vitality" and "collapsing in on itself" are simply metaphorical restatements of "decline". The closest we get to an actual elaboration on what this decline comprises is that it is "rationalistic" and "in a mode of deconstruction", but even so it's not clear what the relationship between rationalism and degeneration is, or what this "mode of deconstruction" means--is it a reference to the critical theory deconstruction? To critical examination of institutions? To literal, physical deconstruction of past artifacts of cultural significance?

Crying "Decline! Degeneration! Collapse!" and making vague romantic gestures to some unspecified past is not a hypothesis. Nietzsche at least elaborates on what he thinks decline actually is, for example.

[Anonymous No.16626409]

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[Anonymous No.16626482]

>>16626407
The relation between rationalism and degeneration is in the fact that rationalism does not construct any new cultural forms but causes existing ones to collapse in on itself by excessive rationalist analysis, it is essentially de-construction, de-constructing a form until it falls apart. If you can't decipher that from the text then you might not be able to understand the arguments at play here.

[Anonymous No.16626494]

>>16626173
>implying it wasn't the renaissance

[Anonymous No.16626547]

zzz tradcath LARPING hours zzz

[Anonymous No.16626725]

>>16626482
Do you know what rationalism is?

[Anonymous No.16626738]

>>16626173
We've been saying that for years.

[Anonymous No.16626744]

>>16626190
Decline of civilisations isn't historical. Historians baleeted that shit with Ranke. This is straight /pol/

[Anonymous No.16626766]

>>16626482
>Me: "collapsing in on itself" is simply a metaphorical restatement of "decline".
>You: Rationalism does not construct any new cultural forms but causes existing ones to collapse in on itself by excessive rationalist analysis

You don't actually have a theory, you're just reiterating the same metaphor of "collapse", "decline", "de-construction", "degenration". An actual answer to my question (the difference between generative and degenerative cultural forms) would look like an explanation of what exactly subjecting something to rational analysis does, culturally. If you don't understand that question, try to explain what the difference between scientific knowledge or technological forms, which are clearly the fruits of rational analysis, are different from cultural forms, which rational analysis destroys or "causes to collapse in on themselves".

[Anonymous No.16626808]

>>16626766
I think you'll have to take your Talmudic rhetorics to reddit.

[Anonymous No.16626828]

>>16626808
Cool it with the anti-semitic remarks

[Anonymous No.16626832]

>>16626173
That would be nominalism.

[Anonymous No.16626845]

>>16626173
>>16626272
you unironically want to read Evola's Revolt Against the Modern World.

[Anonymous No.16626869]

Read "Reflections on the Revolution in France" by Burke.

[Anonymous No.16626876]

>>16626766
Don't argue with Pre-Rankeans for fucksake.

[Anonymous No.16627008]

The decline of Western Civilization was the Fall.

[Anonymous No.16627167]

Why does no one read Tocqueville?
Every object of 'decline' was already occurring well before the revolution. As well, the decadent monarchy had shown not only an incapacity to deal with the shift in law and world spirit but a total disinterest, they themselves abandoned the age. In another sense, the monarchy had already ushered in the bourgeois character which would be democratised by its very nature. They had cultivated the forms of power which would later be occupied and turned against them like a garrison. In short, in the same way that the loss of the nomos indicates the defeat of a nation the shift of the numinous law indicates a turning of eras, the construction of new walls of time.

The conflict of democracy and monarchy is really only a rising of a contest before law where the figurehead is incapable of leading an empire (of which very few leaders are capable). And in this case there was not only an empire to contend with but a new type of empire, as well as the theological catastrophe of the new world and the collision of multiple other worlds (plague, pestilence, endless wars). There is simply no man powerful enough to master such territory, hence the simultaneous fall of monarchs, utopian visions, and the death of god. The great man is only utopianism for the conservative element, secularisation of a perfected being capable of withstanding the onslaught of a state of permanent revolution. Or in other words, a black market leviathan, a cloak and whip so that one might flagellatte and confess before his own decscent into decadence. Just look at the current state of the right if you deny its natural course: one side of the assembly wishes to relive its sadistic theology all overr again while the other is content with being the subaltern of ethots.

The foundations of modernity go back to the 1200s at least, and following Schmitt one can say that the origin is the theological law of Christianity. Hence the violence of the rift and yet there remains a continuity. The French Revolution was only one event within a landslide over hundreds or even thousands of years, a minor burst of flame within a great shift of thee elements.
The decline began with the fall of Troy. Or perhaps civilisation itself.

[Anonymous No.16627168]

>>16626272
Just read Spengler dude.

[Anonymous No.16628209]

>>16626173
I am actually very knowledgeable on the subject. But I am tired and exhausted physically, mentally and spiritually.
have this pic related.

[Anonymous No.16628228]

>>16626294
>define every word you use
This is why people dislike postmodernism. It's bad faith, and you know your shitty dialectic is bad faith too.

[Anonymous No.16628242]

>>16628209
I remember reading that a while ago. Kinda sad not gonna be lying here familly

[Anonymous No.16628265]

>>16628242
Fucking French Revolutionary faggots. I bet most of /lit/ isn't aware of the shit they did in the Vendee either. Thanks for the pic anon

[Anonymous No.16628270]

That's not how you use the word "hypothesis". First, a hypothesis should be testable. Second, you speak of "decline" but that is just code for "go in a direction that I don't like", which is obviously subjective. So if the values of the French Revolution like liberty and equality are something that you dislike, sure it's going to mark the start of a "decline".

[Anonymous No.16628304]

>>16628265
I am comforted by the fact they are getting their comeuppance. Islam will honor the memories of the Ancien Régime.

[Anonymous No.16628316]

>>16628270
Progress is just "go in a direction I do like" though. Also you clearly haven't read your Edmund Burke so I don't really care what you think about 'Revolutionary Values"

[Anonymous No.16628337]

>>16628242
literally bourbon propaganda

[Anonymous No.16628341]

>>16628337
coping Marxist

[Anonymous No.16628362]

>>16628316
>Progress is just "go in a direction I do like" though
Though? How does that contradict my point? All I'm saying is that OP should be asking something like "please recommend books that paint the French Revolution in a bad way" instead of filling his post with fluff and trying to make it look more scientific

[Anonymous No.16628377]

>>16628270
>he cares more about the talking points than the actual consequences

[Anonymous No.16628388]

>>16628265
Aware and looking to rent a barge.

[Anonymous No.16628445]

>>16628362
I am saying that your appraisal of the notion of cultural decline is juvenile, and you should stop being such a modernist-materialist blowhard at some point if you want to ever stop typing like a redditor. Read Plato's Seventh Epistle from Syracuse, and consider the similarities it bears to Wittgenstein.

[Anonymous No.16628461]

>>16626272
>there is still scientific progress, technological progress
not that much, this stuff died in the 80s

[Anonymous No.16628472]

>>16628461
>What is internet/AI
You can critique cultural evolution or lack thereof, but to say we aren't advancing tech-wise is dumb.

[Anonymous No.16628479]

>>16626173
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmgZ2dbyDXZ1U5xY2cvQ5Fjw2zmaRpD2_

[Anonymous No.16628489]

>>16628270
>First, a hypothesis should be testable.
stemtards should read the dictionary.

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>>16626173
>Canon-shot/whistle/crash

[Anonymous No.16628520]

>>16626378
I've read a few books about the subject. pre-revolutionary France was a particularly corrupt, inefficient system. The government had bankrupted itself through a series of wars (which it had consistently lost). Although the aristocracy held some ridiculous percentage of the wealth, they were taxed literally nothing. Instead the commoners were taxed massively. Ironically as well, the government bankrupted itself funding the American revolution which inspired the French.

The aristocracy was also no longer required to do anything. They used to have to take part in some administrative affairs. However, King Louis XIV saw an end to that. He deliberately stocked the French government with clerics and officials from low births, in order to dilute the power of his political rivals. As a result, a middle class of well educated lawyers and officials--who would later take charge of the revolution (Robespierre and most of the leadership were lawyers) were in a position where they wanted more and had a chance to take it. Meanwhile--and this factor cannot be discounted-- enlightenment ideas and scholarship was presenting new world of possibilities and envisioning new governmental structures, which the bourgeoisie (lawyers and such) studied closely.

Population growth could not keep up with inflation and agricultural production. Meaning that in a stagnant society like this, the ranks of the poor swelled. There was even a widely held conspiracy theory that the government withheld food from the peasantry, called the Pacte de Famine, in order to benefit certain interests. King Louis XI was a weak, timid king, who took little interest in the affairs of state and was unable to organize a solution. His queen, Marie-Antoinette, was despised by the public because of her Austrian origins, a near perennial French military adversary at this time.

Starvation and hunger was rampant. French cuisine includes such odd elements like snails and frogs because the lower classes were not allowed to hunt in the King's Forests. They could not eat game, so they caught amphibians and other unregulated food sources.

The success of the American Revolution and Enlightenment ideals and theories seemed like the only solution at the time, because the powers that be had no answers.

[Anonymous No.16628562]

I highly suspect the OP only thinks the French Revolution is bad is because it was French.

[Anonymous No.16628656]

>>16628496
Based butters.

[Anonymous No.16628686]

If you are so against the enlightenment, why do you think everyone has agreed to call it that? Why not call it the endarkenment? It's because even reactionary little you would most likely be a half-starved malnourished peasant forced wipe the ass of an aristocrat who did absolutely and literally nothing to deserve their position but be born.

[Anonymous No.16628687]

>>16626173
OP, you're looking for these two books:
"Reflections on Revolution in France," by Sir Edmund Burke, and "Considérations sur la nature de la Révolution de France, et sur les causes qui en prolongent la durée" by Jacques Mallet du Pan. Read them and you'll be disillusioned of modernist stupidity.
>>16628496
Tocqueville was a Jacobin faggot apologist.
>>16628656
simp

[Anonymous No.16628693]

>>16628686
This is far and away the dumbest argument I have ever heard. If Hitler had won WWII, the Holocaust would have some pro-Nazi, glorious name? Does that make it a good thing? Obviously not.

[Anonymous No.16628698]

>>16628520
Good post, and this is precisely the reason why Burke argues that constitutional monarchy is preferable to a slovenly revolutionary coup, because all of these problems can be soberly legislated away without handing the government over to a cabal of merchants who only want to shoot the guys in wigs so they can put the wigs on themselves.

[Anonymous No.16628743]

>>16628693
You're dumb and wrong. There is no need to elaborate further. The feudal system was shed because of an inevitable process of social evolution and Marx is right.
Are you so dumbfounded that virtually all feudal systems have shedded away? Saudi Arabia is the only one left.

[Anonymous No.16628750]

>>16628743
Personally, I do think the Enlightenment was on the whole a good thing. I just thought your argument ("We gave it a nice name so it's good") is beyond stupid.

[Anonymous No.16628751]

>>16628496
Butterfly, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. But-ter-fly: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. But. Ter. Fly.

[Anonymous No.16628756]

>>16628698
Interesting point. King Louis XVI could have just delegated to his bourgeois class, and let them create the 18th century equivalent of startups to solve all his problems. Of course, capitalism, the next level of socioeconomic development, was unable to take form in France because of its sclerotic aristocratic norms. Meanwhile the Netherlands and Britain were buzzing along.

The Ancien Regime was simply unable to adapt, because everyone in power was too dissociated. France at this time happened to become the battleground of the future and the past, and its rulers chose the past when they should have chose the future.

Look at Britain today, which has stayed above it all through the centuries and through interminable catastrophes. It still has a royal family. Because the royalty was willing to let go of some of their power while having their cake and eating it too.

[Anonymous No.16628776]

>monarCuck
>calling anyone else a simp
fucking lol. go yoke yourself to an inbred slug for MVH TRVDITION you tard. you have the soul of a slave anyway.

[Anonymous No.16628783]

>>16628698
>>16628756
Also I now realize I just simultaneously agreed and disagreed with you. I guess that's the Hegelian dialectic at work!

[Anonymous No.16628792]

>>16626173
ITT: anglos blame others for their own vices

[Anonymous No.16628799]

>>16628776
The ideal form of government is me as an absolute monarch. You will not be able to refute this.

[Anonymous No.16628805]

>>16628799
Is that because refuting it would be a criminal offense punishable by death in your ideal world?

[Anonymous No.16628818]

>>16628805
No, in my ideal world no one would want to refute it because I would be such a great ruler.

[Anonymous No.16628819]

>>16628776
>(you)

[Anonymous No.16628830]

>>16626173
>decline
>ruled the entire world for 150 years after the event
Decline of the west started with the two World Wars where Europe killed tens of millions of its own people for no reason.

[Anonymous No.16628835]

>>16628830
The East did the same thing at the same time and still managed to come out better

[Anonymous No.16628964]

In the final world I would like to go down for posterity to point out the ultimate cosmic irony, that the same conditions in newborn America would inspire revolutionary France and will now again influence America. Entire tomes could be written about how contemporary America reflects the Ancien Regime. It is all a perfect circle and I will have the last laugh. You can count on that. The truth is at first ridiculed, you cowardly intellectual and spiritual weaklings.
My loved ones must suffer because of your refusal to see the truth. The hungry mouth of nature is closing on us all, if it gets to me first, it will get to you later, coward. Your precious children and grandchildren who you cynically betrayed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXHAK1uptAg

[Anonymous No.16629106]

>>16626482
"Crushing the world’s crown of wonder
is not what I do
and killing, with my mind, the mysteries I find along the way,
in flowers, eyes, on lips, or graves,
is not what I do.
Others’ light
breaks the spell of fathomless darkness,
but I,
with my light, deepen the world’s riddles –
and as, with its white rays, the moon
lessens not, but tremblingly
deepens night’s mystery,
I, too, amplify the dark horizon
with broad tremours of holy mystery
and all that’s unrevealed
turns ever more unknowable
under my gaze –
for I so love
both flowers and eyes, and lips and graves"
-Lucian Blaga


Only the biggest brainlets won't understand your point

[Anonymous No.16629654]

>>16627167
This. Good post

[Anonymous No.16629968]

>>16626173
Actually it was agriculture. That's where it all started to fuck up.

[Anonymous No.16629972]

>>16626173
Pic related is the classic on this thesis.

[Anonymous No.16629977]

>>16628835
> and still managed to come out better
By being colonies of the Western world?

[Anonymous No.16630231]

>>16628270
>he's naive enough to think that liberty and equality have increased since the french revolution

[Anonymous No.16630241]

[Anonymous No.16630252]

>>16626173
Napoleon's debacle in Russia is the start of the decline of the West. He was meant to be the second coming of Augustus, the firm hand that would have brought Europe under one flag and stabilized the affairs for centuries, if not millennia to come. Just imagine, a vast francophone empire...

[Anonymous No.16630256]

>>16626173
Considering the greatest human to ever grace earth came out of it the French revolution couldn't have been that bad

[Anonymous No.16630435]

>>16630256
why do you worship Napoleon? The guy literally suicided his entire army lol.

[Anonymous No.16630443]

>>16630256
Trigger warning

[Anonymous No.16630446]

>>16630443
picture

[Anonymous No.16631818]

>>16630256
Cringe

[Anonymous No.16631838]

>>16628687
Pretty sad when the right wing knowledge of the revolution is worse than butterfly

[Anonymous No.16631854]

>>16627167
This is a good post, though I disagree with the starting point of the decline. I'd argue that it began when Latin Theology severed ties with Eastern Theology via the filioque, and eventually the doctrine of absolute divine simplity found in Aquinas.

[Anonymous No.16632628]

The decline started with jazz

[Anonymous No.16632645]

Lol this anon
>>16626766
Basically showed that this entire thread was started by
>>16626482
who has no actual idea of what he's talking about. OP is just arguing in vague forms and from sentiment. 0 substance.

[Anonymous No.16632807]

>>16628265
What did they do? I don’t know much about the revolution

[Anonymous No.16632842]

>>16626173
Elemire Zolla. Learn Italian.

Also I agree.

[Anonymous No.16632948]

>>16628520
Wouldn’t this be the opposite of the classical and Marxist view of the revolution? I was always taught it was peasants bringing out the guillotines because they couldn’t eat bread, but it was mostly the bourgeoisie class seeking to implement Enlightenment values after the monarchy collapsed

[Anonymous No.16634513]

Burke and Maistre.

[Anonymous No.16634536]

>>16626173
All your options are based on fictional stories. Understand that history isn't factually accurate. The tale around events is always quite literally a tale.

[Anonymous No.16634555]

>>16626272
Read René Guénon

[Anonymous No.16634577]

>>16632948
The 3rd estate, which was the estate containing the bourgeois, proletarians (sans-culottes, ie: no sexy pants), and peasants.

Feudalism was organised through an estates system of classes. As feudal reproduction broke down, capitalist reproduction with its classes developed inside France, largely in the state itself.

The classical marxist argument was that the productive or commercial bourgeois forced the revolution. The mature marxist argument was that the noblesse de robe or capitalist bureaucrats forced the revolution with the aide of the rest of the 3rd estate in coalition. That the entire new society of capitalism was contained inside the 3rd estate, like a baby inside a womb.

[Anonymous No.16635116]

>>16626173
protestant revolution*

[Anonymous No.16635122]

Why do midwits always try and defend an inbred royal bloodline based authority?

[Anonymous No.16635126]

>"Western culture has been in decline for 100 years"
>"Western culture has been in decline for 200 years"
>"Western culture has been in decline for 300 ye-"

[Anonymous No.16635133]

>>16635126
History consistently makes a fool out of reactionaries

[Anonymous No.16635140]

>>16626173
I think the decline is the fall of the Roman empire.
Without a single driving body determining culture/governance Europeans became a mess of bickering nation states.
Rome was the best idea we had because it had a universal style which also permitted cultural autonomy.

[Anonymous No.16635151]

>>16635133
It's as bad as Plato claiming the kids of his time would ruin ancient greek culture. We are neither living in the best time to live or the worst time, we are simply living in a time to exist.

[Anonymous No.16635154]

>>16635126
>>16635133
>>16635151
When is the last time you talked to your cousin?

[Anonymous No.16635156]

>>16635154
My cousin stopped talking to me after I accidentally liked her bikini picture on facebook

[Anonymous No.16635172]

>>16628520
Good post, thanks for the response. imo the
>The aristocracy was also no longer required to do anything. They used to have to take part in some administrative affairs. However, King Louis XIV saw an end to that. He deliberately stocked the French government with clerics and officials from low births, in order to dilute the power of his political rivals. As a result, a middle class of well educated lawyers and officials--who would later take charge of the revolution (Robespierre and most of the leadership were lawyers) were in a position where they wanted more and had a chance to take it.
part is the most important along with the (semi) proof of concept in the American rev and the general intelligencia.

Grain shortages and incompetent rulership has happened in other fuedal systems from japan to china to india and Arabia, but usually it is one group of nobles overthrowing another when there is enough tumolt.

[Anonymous No.16635186]

>>16631854
Why do you say the decline started there?

[Anonymous No.16635225]

>>16635156
I have 24 cousins, we barely talk. They are starting to have kids and are getting married. I was only pointing out to show how empty we are nowadays on family bond or the value with attribute it.
On this note I went to a funeral last year. The brother of my grand ma died. I was just amazed and so happy to see how many we were. From people my age (20-30) we were my side of the familly 22 and then the side of the one that died and then the side of the wife of the deceased; and young folks were almost 60ish. Was so great, we were in the church basement with the Priest talking to the young folks witht the deacons. The older siblings (30-35yo) were talking together about bussiness and experience in general. I, with my cousins around my age, were befriending the youngs on the other side of the familly with the really cute young woman (we are french canadian so most woman are above 9/10 when young haha). I got a sense of nationalism, to what it really is. To be with all the people that share the same blood has you; some 50%, some 25%, some 10%. Btw back in the day on my grand parents generation they were 10-12 children and then the next one was 6-8, so thats why we were so much.
But we were all bonding, all white, all french, all catholic, all well-manered, all well-dressed. I really felt what our ancestor felt in small commune being around your folk and all; what the continous revolution since the Reformation has been destroying consciously or uncounsiously.
That's it I just wanted to point that out. Now I am alone and yeah I like it to be quiet but we need to socialise and we have famillies and this is what it should be; To be with your folks, laughting, living and aiding consolation of sorrows.

[Anonymous No.16635239]

>>16626272
Read the magic mountain
The peak was the Victorian age, and we went over the edge during WWI

[Anonymous No.16635268]

>>16635154
About two weeks ago

[Anonymous No.16635271]

>>16635225
I understand the yearning, but it's really just a basic need to belong to a community. I come from a distant broken up family as well, but you don't need to be blood related to find a real family, that sense of human connection can be found anywhere if you allow yourself to open up to strangers. Things also weren't all roses and sunshine in the past, families stuck together but often because conditions were harsh, many died young.

[Anonymous No.16635281]

>ctrl + f "Carlyle" >>16626409
Holy Fucking Based!!!

[Anonymous No.16635288]

>>16635225
Sound comfy anon but those kind of family relations can't be destroyed if people continue to care about them. It's easy to blame these things decaying on some kind of external influence but the truth is family members stop seeing other because they neither care nor have the effort.

The fact you exist here today is proof that your ancestors at least cared enough to mate for hundreds of years. Again, it's easy to say X is destroying Y but the only thing that destroys family bonds is a lack of care. As long as people are interested and invested enough to continue to socialise with their families than those kind of family units will never die. It's instinctive and genetic.

[Anonymous No.16635289]

>>16626173
The decline is wherever you draw your arbitrary line in the sand because you're personally unable to see civilization any further than it. The French Revolution was a turning point for Europe which resulted in the greatest minds changing gears towards democracy as a means of wrapping the aristocracy in a cloak of invisibility. The only minds capable of grasping how civilization has progressed since then are the ones capable of seeing through the veil and simultaneously considering diametrically opposed ideologies within the same framework.

[Anonymous No.16635292]

>>16635271
Also this, doesn't have to be blood family members in particular. There's almost no downsides to making friends in life, especially good ones. Life is made richer when shared with other people.

[Anonymous No.16635376]

>>16635288
>>16635271

The thing I fear the most is losing my familly anon. To not see them every chritmas or every easter. In the last years I have been thinking about it; of when are we going to stop coming together for christmas and other celebrated events. On my dad side I didn't see them for 2 years and I don't really care, but on my moms side we have always been together and we done alot in many sphere and I just really like that state. Our young state. But the more I think about it, soon we will grow and have famillies of ours and we won't be seeing eachother has much.

Maybe every young men felt the same, I am mid-20 and with the covid panick we didnt celebrated easter (in familly) nor our familly events like anniversaries of the matriarch and the patrairch and death day of my grand papa. And now we might not even celebrated christmas together. I just do not like growing up knowing I am losing something pure. When a child you just do not realise what you lose by growing up but now older I feel what will become only memories.

[Anonymous No.16636032]

>>16626272

Your problem is that you are declaring "a time" to be a "peak" of civilization but that is inherently a subjective statement. Even now the largest problem with western civilization is finding a way to reconcile massive advancements in science and technology with massive steps away from religious, ethical, and philosophical development which were staples to society in the past.

This is why we don't know how to deal with social media and constant tech use, it's why people fall victim to misinformation and schemes constantly, and it is why in their search for an actual meaningful cause to fight for they instead end up taking up verbal arms for stuff like 4th or 5th genders, twist well known terms into new meanings, and fight against a system of slavery that has been over and done with for over a century.

[Anonymous No.16636766]

>>16627167
>subaltern of ethots
kek based.

[Anonymous No.16636775]

>>16626744
>I will just be proven wrong, so I want it seen through these optics

[Anonymous No.16636818]

>>16626173
>we are no longer cucked under monarchy and shitty living conditions and shallow degenerate aristocratic values
>waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh IMM GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOING INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.16636952]

>>16626190
His is lit

[Anonymous No.16636963]

Jacques Barzun From Dawn to Decadence

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