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Hello /lit/,
I am trying to do some background research for a personal writing I am working on and could use some recommendations for literature pertaining to the following topics:
>poaching
>habitat loss / preservation
>basically any cornerstones of environmentalist literature
All I really know is Silent Spring and Michael Pollan stuff from before he went joe rogan-tier "shrooms lmao"

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>>16631317
Maybe this

>> No.16631356

>>16631317
He monkey

>> No.16631363

>>16631356
No. Monkey has tail. He ape

>> No.16631371

>>16631317
In sffg someone was looking for eco based sci fi and the two recommendations I seen were ‘the windup girl’ and ‘red mars’

>> No.16631435

>>16631371
that seems interesting, but I am more looking for histories/essays/nonfiction. regardless, noted!

>> No.16631460

>>16631317
Braiding Sweetgrass

>> No.16631647

>>16631363
Correct
Specifically he pongo

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bumping for specifically recommendations concerning poaching and conservation

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Bump

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>>16632075
>That tactical roll

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>>16634408
orangutans are neat aren't they
bumping thread if anybody has any nonfiction regarding poaching (or orangutans i guess) that's be neat

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>>16631317
Environmentalism is cancer tho. The only reason to care about the issues you listed is the knee jerk reaction to maintain the ecological status quo, which is impossible. Conservation is not a moral position, and is predominantly what you'll get with "environmental literature", the soul purpose of which is to scare you with statistics that pretend life on Earth will just up and end. The Earth will solve its problems with or without us, the only reason to argue for the environmental approach is if you care about the humanity's presence on the Earth. If you answered yes, "environmentalism" won't cut it.
Anyways Wendell Berry is comfy in a nature-appreciation sense, and probably your best bet if you want a pseudo social ecology take from a more traditional perspective.

>> No.16635190

>>16635182
>preserving creation is not a moral position
Okay materialist

>> No.16635198

>>16635190
conservation =/= stewardship retard
t. christian ecologist who wrote that post

>> No.16635221

>>16635198
You literally don't care about preserving reality as God created it: do you even believe?

>> No.16635232

>>16635221
Glo-grass
leftover red chem-glass
Stab the association cam
crab bass

>> No.16635249

>>16635232
Well anyway if you really are a Christian ecologist, we probably agree more than disagree. Sorry for being rude, brother

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>>16631317
Holistic Management by Allan Savory is the most important book you could read about ecology in 2020. It should be a college and/or accelerated high school textbook in my opinion. You may look at the blurb and say it's not for you or it's not relevant to your interests but buy the fucking thing anyway and read it.
The Farm as Ecosystem by Jerry Brunetti is also an insanely enlightening book, again moreso about agriculture than "ecology" but it's an ecologically regenerative agriculture and it gives huge insight into soil life and everything that lives in and grows from that, aka everything. It's more scientifically dense than a Michael Pollan book by far.
Biomimicry by Janine Benyus is pretty good, it's basically a book about technology from an ecological perspective. There are some chapters about native prairie restoration which are fairly interesting. I'm not as enthusiastic about it as the previous two books.
Grassland by Richard Manning is okay but really not worth reading at all, don't read it unless you've first read Holistic Management.
Imagining Head Smashed-In by Jack Brink isn't necessarily ecology per se but it gives a detailed and accurate picture of what Native American society was like and the environment they lived in.
The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Firstenberg is literally about electromagnetism so I don't see you actually being interested in it however I see it as being the Silent Spring of the 2020s. The information in it has very severe ecological implications.
>>16632205
This also, a very foundational text for me and an easy read

>> No.16635267

>>16635256
This interests me greatly, thank you for posting.
Relevant to farming, do you know of any books that have specific investigation into livestock ecology/management?
Anything from sustainable practices to farm layout would be hugely appreciated

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>>16635221
>>16635249
>You literally don't care about preserving reality as God created it
Revelations teaches us that Creation as we know it will be destroyed after the apocalypse (its fate after the ressurection remains unknown). The reason stewardship exists is because a steward takes charge of a king's land while he's away (the term's historical meaning). Conservation is immoral, is because it is sustaining the land for human consumption (not God). I typically argue the way I do for secular people to realize ecology is preferable to environmentalism, which is no longer effective for stewardship or any moral position for that matter. If modernity is going to give itself a worldview, I'd rather it be ecology than the horrid current state of affairs.

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>>16635267
Yes. However these books are going to tell you how to manage animals regeneratively, not just sustainably. The practices they tell you about will actually improve the land which the animals live on and the surrounding wildlife habitat, rather than just avoid destroying it.
If you want to know how to manage poultry (aka all farm birds), Pastured Poultry Profits by Joel Salatin will tell you everything you need to know as a beginner. Also, I haven't read it yet, but I'm sure his book Salad Bar Beef goes into a similar level of detail about beef cattle management.
Dirt to Soil by Gabe Brown is about beef cattle and pasture-cropped, multispecies, no-till grain. Extremely good and easy to read.
No Risk Ranching by Greg Judy is good if you want to get an introduction to how to actually start managing cattle as employment. I'd suggest reading this to get a handle on livestock management as a career, if you're interested in that. If after reading you want to pursue it, read Fields of Farmers by Joel Salatin and then look for an internship on attra.org before starting out on your own.
Soil Fertility and Animal Health by William Albrecht goes into a lot of detail about soil composition so I wouldn't read it before any of the previously mentioned books, just because it would be overwhelming and probably boring af for someone who has no context for it.
Any Temple Grandin book about livestock is a good insight into animal psychology. I enjoyed and learned a lot from Animals in Translation.
I also have an amazon wishlist which is mostly just serving as a collection of books that look interesting, I can't really hope to read all of them. There are a ton of farming and nature related books on there if you want to browse, but I haven't read any of them obviously so I can't vouch for them. Pretty much all of them are on there because they were referenced in some of the other books I mentioned.
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/3UEWPGTNUFFFI/ref=nav_wishlist_lists_1?_encoding=UTF8&type=wishlist
Additionally, all of the authors I mentioned except Albrecht are still alive and have loads of YouTube content which is probably more useful than just the books. Ray Archuleta and Colin Seis are also a couple of men worth googling. This is my career so that's why I have so much information.

>> No.16635434

>>16635413
This is spectacular. You are a wealth of information and seem to care about your job

>> No.16635495

>>16635295
Sorry I dont think i understand the difference between ecology and environmentalism here

>> No.16635512

>>16635495
Ecology is a worldview, ecosophy is philosophy, and environmentalism is a modern politic.

>> No.16635617

>>16635434
Glad 2 help brah. It's my passion

>> No.16636771

>>16635512
But in practice, relating to >>16635182, what is the difference between his Ecology and Environmentalism

>> No.16636778

>>16635232
what is going on here

>> No.16637385

>>16635256
>>16635413
Not OP but thank you so much anon, very interesting.
On a semi related note, can someone tell me where to start with Bookchin? I read ISAIF and Antitech Revolution as well as Walden

>> No.16638099

>>16637385
Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to read Bookchin or Kaczynski yet. Would you say there is a significant difference between ISAIF and Antitech Rev, to the point it's worth buying and reading both?

>> No.16638118

>>16631317
why the long face?

>> No.16638169 [DELETED] 

>>16631355
fuck off nigger

>> No.16638982

>>16638099
Yes, if you think that ISAIF makes sense you will need a plan how to implement the changes. This is where Antitech Rev comes into play and basically acts as a very well reasoned manual

>> No.16639097

>>16631355
Butternigger is STILL here?

>> No.16640664

>>16638099
What is ISAIF

>> No.16640709

>>16640664
Industrial Society and its Future