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Based department?

>> No.16796204

I'd investigate Thorstein Botz-Bornstein for links to the CIA.

>> No.16796243

>>16796204
I'm not sure of you're seriously suggesting any resistance to America in Iraq is a psyop because no way that could possibly happen

>> No.16796356

?

>> No.16796390

>>16796243
ISIS wasn't resisting America in Iraq though. ISIS existed mainly to destabilize Syria, and act as a counter-balance to Iran who was actually resisting America in Iraq. You read goofy books like that but have such a shallow understanding of the Middle East which is exactly why it's is a psyop.

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>>16796186
No.

>>16796390
This

>> No.16796410

>>16796390
ISIS originated in Iraq and was the only resistance to America after Saddam fell

>> No.16796419

>>16796410
And then they got paid to invade Syria. Write it down.

>> No.16796427

>>16796410
ISIS formed before the fall of Saddam and the Iraq war. They hated the Shiites.

>> No.16796433

>>16796410
Wrong. How can you be so dumb? Are you some zoomer who was 5 years old during the Iraq War or what?

>> No.16796435

>>16796410
You are clearly jewish and need to be reminded that you and your ilk are being named and numbered.

>> No.16796443

>>16796433
He is a jew.

>> No.16796447

>>16796427
Yes Iraqi Sunnis do generally, so did Saddam, and so the Iraqi Shia supported Ameriy. ISIS as a force however only became extremely prominent after the Ba'athists were defeated, at this time they were still al-Qaeda in Iraq. They became internationally known because they took over much of the country before being driven back into recession by turning most of the cities they were at to rubble. The same thing happened in Syria. America did it in Iraq, Russia in Syria.

>> No.16796456

>>16796433
No, not wrong at all. The Second Battle of Fallujah was the last engagement any force besides ISIS (then al-Qaeda in Iraq) participated in, and ISIS, not yet called ISIS, made their reputation there. Many Ba'athist intelligence agents joined them in the aftermath which is how they became formidable

>> No.16796459

>>16796435
ISIS was originally ISI, the Islamic State in Iraq. Shams (Levant) was added later

>> No.16796472

>>16796410
>al-zarqawi, al-sadr
please think before you post

>> No.16796487

>>16796406
butters literally shilling suicide bombings and killing civilians, and then crying about it when other people shill fascism here.

>> No.16796498

>>16796472
He's thought plenty. He's deliberately spreading disinformation.

>> No.16796499
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>>16796487
BZZZZZT bad guess

>> No.16796504

>>16796499
Dude, I've been living in Ocalan's terror attacks for about 20+ years.

Now bzzzt up your cunt.

>> No.16796506

>>16796472
Yes he headed al-Qaeda in Iraq which later became ISI later ISIS. He came there to fight America, he was from Jordan

>> No.16796513

>>16796487
I'm sure she didn't actually read it, just saw Graeber's name on the cover and figured it would make a cool "anti-authoritarian" fashion accessory to consume.

>> No.16796519

>>16796504
LARPing as a CIA agent is a crime.

>> No.16796540

>>16796504
You're a pencil pushing fag and work for jews.

>> No.16796551

>>16796513
>>16796487
>The Kurds are murdering priests and nuns and burning churches!!
>Please return to topic of based head chopping mercenaries ISIS

>> No.16796560

>>16796519
I'm a Turk living in Turkey, bitch.

>> No.16796579
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>>16796560
And you’re scared of the locals?
Go home. Nobody wants you there

>> No.16796606

>>16796579
When the feds lock you up for domestic terrorism, make sure to post pics of Tyquisha ramming you with her strap on made out of tooth brushes

>> No.16796620

>>16796186
Italian FUTURISMO is based. Didn't think anyone else knew much about hat

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>>16796606
Live free or die.

>> No.16796630

>>16796410
Based

>> No.16796661

>>16796620
Literally anyone who took an art history class is aware of Italian futurism. Also, anyone who goes to museums at all saw the Futurism exhibit at the Guggenheim. God, get these STEM bugmen out of here.

>> No.16796699

>>16796661
Well, I never took an art history class. How many random people walking the street have? I'm guessing not many and those only in passing... becaithey briefly heard about it in an art history class, not in depth like me.

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>>16796186
This place is filled to the brim with inflamed assholes.

>> No.16796748

>>16796579
so you have no idea about the difference between a Turk and a Turkmen?

Fuck you, butters.

>> No.16796774
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>>16796551
Islamists are based, Kurds are leftoids allied to antifa

>> No.16796807

>>16796186
What a useless book. Gut academia.

>> No.16796869
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>>16796774
Bby, the CIA has lured lefties to come fight with the Kurds. That graffiti is probably from some Bored out of his skull Canadian.
You larping religious trads are the cringiest thing in the world right now, it’s not even funny.

>>16796748
So you think the Ottomans have lived in Anatolia since prehistory or something?

>> No.16796956

>>16796869
Ottomans are a dynasty, not a people

>> No.16797034

>>16796956
And then people moved in and assimilated the natives, but for SOMMMME reason this “dynasty” wanted to destroy an entire race of people and pushed them out of their lands. Deny it to this day what they did. Send arms to Azerbaijan to keep the animosity going.
Also lately they diminish the Kurds. Why are people not allowed to live where they already live?

Fuck states

>> No.16797091

>>16797034
>Butters is a clueless lib who thinks Kurdish militant groups are le based epic freedom fighters and not one of America's tools for destabilizing the region
Color me shocked

>> No.16797109

>>16797091
You think it’s as simple as that.
“Colour me shocked”

>> No.16797120
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>>16796186
Not as based as Stirner
>Stirner Quote
" My freedom becomes complete only when it is my — might; but by this I cease to be a merely free man, and become an own man. Why is the freedom of the peoples a “hollow word”? Because the peoples have no might! With a breath of the living ego I blow peoples over, be it the breath of a Nero, a Chinese emperor, or a poor writer. Why is it that the G... [54] legislatures pine in vain for freedom, and are lectured for it by the cabinet ministers? Because they are not of the “mighty”! Might is a fine thing, and useful for many purposes; for “one goes further with a handful of might than with a bagful of right.” You long for freedom? You fools! If you took might, freedom would come of itself. See, he who has might “stands above the law.” How does this prospect taste to you, you “law-abiding” people? But you have no taste! "

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>>16797109
>the maker of this post pulling the "it's not that simple" card
Lmao ok

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>>16797126
>Lmao

>> No.16797175

>>16796774
>our cause is higher than that
Categorically based. Long live Assad though.

>> No.16797254

>>16797175
George Floyd is higher than Allah though

>> No.16797322

>>16796410
First part is obviously wrong but the second part might have some truth to it.

>> No.16797421

>>16797254
desu fentafloyd was pretty high

>> No.16797543

>>16797322
No. They’re mercenaries hired and trained by the CIA. Proxy troops. An old Eastern Roman Empire tactic

>> No.16797688

>>16796406
I already know this is worthless because its recommended by David Graeber

>> No.16797749

>>16797322
Started in Jordan, gained prominence during the Iraq war, turned into ISIS during Syrian and Iraqi civil wars. Was definitely not the only group resisting armerica during the Iraq war

>> No.16797760

>>16797543
pretty sure there is enough of an organic global islamist movement since russia invaded afghanistan, or since the Iranian revolution on the shia side, to breed ISIS

>> No.16797792

>>16797760
And they hired them. Trained and advised them. Have you seen some of their bunkers? Lots of engineering went into them. The ties between these white helmet guys. They’re the same people
It was never a civil war either

>> No.16797853

>>16797792
so ISIS is a CIA operation in it's entirety?
>it was never a civil war
what?

>> No.16798196 [DELETED] 

>>16797322
It's not wrong at all

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanzim_Qaidat_al-Jihad_fi_Bilad_al-Rafidayn

>>16797749
It was never in Jordan. Zarqawi was, that's it. ISIS is STILL the only militants resisting American presence in Iraq.

>> No.16798209

>>16798196
It started in Jordan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jama%27at_al-Tawhid_wal-Jihad
and the original post said they were the only group resisting after Saddam fell, not true

>> No.16798219

>>16798209
What other group is?

>> No.16798223

>>16797254
Yes, he was a meth addict after all

>> No.16798234

>>16798219
>is fighting
not what the post said. it said after saddam fell not right now

>> No.16798242

>>16798234
Care to name any that weren't directly allied with ISIS and eventually swallowed by them?

>> No.16798280

>>16798242
mahdi army, and any other shia groups that were fighting

>> No.16798284

Kek this thread

>> No.16798285
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>>16797034
>Fuck states
Everything is state
Anarchist communes are states

>> No.16798297

>>16798280
So pretty much no one considering the Iraqi state supported by America there was Shia and most Shia militants were focused on fighting the Sunni insurgency

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>>16798297
no, not pretty much no one. large militias that actively fought US troops with Iranian backing,
for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Al_Kut

>> No.16798343

>>16798323
Near the beginning of the war....

After Saddam fell and the Shi'ites were put into power by America the situation was quite different.

>> No.16798370

>>16798323
>thousands of Americans killed in the war
>Shia kill one at the very outset

"See? We're in this too"

>> No.16798626

>>16796390
This

>> No.16798647

>>16798626
>he doesn't remember that ISIS originally got major media attention by establishing a massive proto state in Iraq and enslaving Yazidis girls

>> No.16798654

Nuke em all

>> No.16798783

>>16796869
LOL, a lesbian american on a mongoloid basket weaving forum trying to lecture me on the history of Turks.

>>16797109
you are nobody, butters. we are living in the land, here, turks, kurds, etc.

>>16797034
butters, you sound like fine arts college liberal.

>> No.16798817

>>16798343
>Near the beginning of the war...
a year after Saddam was captured

>> No.16798824

>>16796869
>let me educate you about your country
this happens when you don't slap your bitches lmao

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>>16796390
>ISIS wasn't resisting America in Iraq

>> No.16798833

>>16798824
idk, kinda looks like your getting owned

>> No.16798863

I'm from the middle east and it fucking kills me how Western leftists try to defend the shit that happens there because not doing so risks breaking their narrative that all the bad in the world is caused by White countries.

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>>16798833
sit down wh*te scum

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>> No.16799168

>>16798817
2004, the war began in 2003