People who are a 5 on this chart, how do you enjoy books?

[Anonymous No.16869157]

If you are a 5 on this image, it means you have Aphantasia (look it up). How do people like you enjoy books when you literally lack the ability to imagine?

[Anonymous No.16869166]

People with aphantasia are P-zombies. They are also the type to sing "Imagine" and promote Marxism and think they've done something transcendental, since they can't actually 'imagine' the outcomes of the positions they espouse.

[Anonymous No.16869177]

>>16869166
correct. But sometimes aphantasia can have more sublime downsides. In a way they aren't fully human.

[Anonymous No.16869182]

>close my eyes
>image an apple
>I turn into an apple
wtf guys pls help me

[Anonymous No.16869190]

>>16869182
shapeshifter detected

[Anonymous No.16869218]

>>16869166
>marxism bad because people are selfish!
>p-zombies are marxists!
kek

[Anonymous No.16869227]

>>16869157
>>16869166
>>16869177
Today I've learned that I'm not actually human.

[Anonymous No.16869234]

>>16869157
I'm not a 5 but I don't usually imagine settings when reading. I just feel an awareness of the location like I do when in a room in real life.
I'm not sitting here in my loungeroom visualising all the areas not in my view, I just feel an awareness that they are there.
For me reading is usually the same way. During particularly painted scenes I will visualise.

>>16869227
Don't worry about it Anon, all the actual studies done haven't shown any significant differences between people at 1 and 5.

[Anonymous No.16869242]

>>16869157
I enjoy the abstracted platonic forms of humanship.

[Anonymous No.16869248]

>>16869182
I would have told you to just imagine a hot dude, but that might turn you gay.

[Anonymous No.16869259]

>>16869182
spotted the glowie

[Anonymous No.16869268]

>>16869234
>all the actual studies done haven't shown any significant differences between people at 1 and 5.
Because this is an incredibly weak and underdeveloped criteria from which to distinguish differences. The test format being weak doesn't mean there's no appreciably different quality of aphantasists.

[Anonymous No.16869279]

>me? i'm a 5

[Anonymous No.16869291]

When I was very ill a few years ago (major burnout, autoimmune disease, etc.) I lost my ability to picture things in my head. It was genuinely terrifying. I'd close my eyes and just see black. How someone could live like that permanently is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.16869307]

Is your mind-apple the regurgitation of a pictographic memory?

[Anonymous No.16869314]

>>16869307
My mind-apple is firm and has a sweet taste with just a touch of sour.

[Anonymous No.16869322]

you guys can form images in your mind? y-yeah, I can do that too.

[Anonymous No.16869332]

>>16869307
I doubt it, since I can change the mind-apple any way or shape I want, including imagining it as a lattice or made of potato texture.
You can imagine apples that actually never were or could be, so it can't just be memory-based.

[Anonymous No.16869341]

anyone who scores lower than 4 is lying

[Anonymous No.16869353]

How is it possible to be anything other than 1 or 5?

[Anonymous No.16869388]

>>16869227
I'm at a 1 in OP's image and I hate being alive, so you're probably alright.

[Anonymous No.16869448]

>>16869322
It doesn't stop there bud. Anything I can picture in my mind, I can picture sucking my penis. Anything.

[Anonymous No.16869458]

>>16869353
How is it possible to be anything other than 1?

[Anonymous No.16869459]

>>16869157
I have aphantasia and i dont form a visual image but still have a concept/idea of an apple
There is no need to visualise an apple if you understand it, are non aphatastic people just autistic, or stupid?

[Anonymous No.16869466]

>>16869459
The ability to visualize an object in the mind is independent of the ability to describe aspects therein.

[Anonymous No.16869467]

the most destructive meme since "inner monologue"

[Anonymous No.16869471]

>>16869157
i can see how you can be 1 or 5 but how can you be between ?

[Anonymous No.16869473]

>>16869157
Tbh i think that this image is misleading. If i close my eyes, i cant visualize the apple, as in see it as if it was really there. But i can nonetheless imagine the apple, with all of its colours, its shape, its smell and its taste. I can form a very clear mental image of the apple, but i am aware that it is only a mental image, and i cant force my senses to perceive the mental image of the apple as a real object that somehow is just floating in front of me when i have my eyes closed. I think that people that suffer from aphantasia can't imagine the mental image, not that they can't perceive the mental image as a real object in its own right. Am i right or do i suffer from aphantasia as well?

[Anonymous No.16869478]

>>16869157
Aphantasia is a serious medical disorder and extremely rare. Anyone saying they have itt is lying

[Anonymous No.16869485]

I don’t have aphantasia, but I would still like to improve my ability to visualize objects and colors. I want my inner landscape to be rich and lush. Any advice?

[Anonymous No.16869491]

>>16869466
A concept isnt a description
You can describe an apple as being red, while thats not a part of its concept, an apple does not need to be red

[Anonymous No.16869496]

>>16869485
Start learning some art techniques. When you more clearly understand the rules by which we physically represent ideas, you'll be able to more richly imagine them as well.

[Anonymous No.16869499]

>>16869491
Shut up Plato, you don't have a higher conceptual ideal of appledom.

[Anonymous No.16869549]

>>16869485
>I want my inner landscape to be rich and lush
was this post written by a Facebook new-age mom?

[Anonymous No.16869567]

>>16869473
It's the same for me
I can sometimes see geometrical formes in the blackness, like light dots, but I don't think that you can form an actual picture in the visible blackness you see, when your eyes are closed

[Anonymous No.16869578]

>>16869485
There is no way. It's an innate ability.You will never be an imagichad like me

[Anonymous No.16869592]

>>16869157
Does anyone else "imagine" an apple but it disintegrates if they try to focus on its precise shape or color?

[Anonymous No.16869595]

>>16869459
How do you masturbate without porn? Just contemplating the idea of nudity?

[Anonymous No.16869598]

>>16869595
I meditate on the Form of Beauty.

[Anonymous No.16869599]

>>16869473
you must be right. otherwise people would be able to completely over-ride their eyes with any image they want. imagining is a mental process, not a strictly visual one, it has no place in the eyes and its processes. i think.

i am the same. i can imagine anything, shape, texture, colour, smell etc. as vividly or as bluntly as i like. but it's not like actually seeing something. my eyes are still closed, it's still dark. like a memory it works on a visual field separate to vision.

[Anonymous No.16869601]

>>16869473
>>16869567
That's normal. You aren't supposed to literally 'SEE' the apple. You're supposed to be able to form it in your mind's eye. Being able to physically trick your actual senses is difficult.

[Anonymous No.16869602]

>>16869314
My mind-apple's skin keeps getting stuck in my teeth and because it's not real I can't get it out.
This is a fate worse than death.

[Anonymous No.16869604]

>>16869601
But maybe we are all 5's and sub iq zombie people?

[Anonymous No.16869606]

>>16869157
I'm a 5. I cannot see images (if I close my eyes I literally see pitch black), but I intuitively know what they look like. For example, now I'm thinking about a beach I saw years ago: I cannot see it, but I could easily draw it.
>>16869166
That's not what "p-zombie" means, dummy
>>16869478
I doubt it is that rare. I think most people simp,y never investigate these matters: we just assume that everyone else is like us

[Anonymous No.16869608]

>>16869157
My sister tells me she can't form images in her mind. She also can't enjoy music unless it has lyrics.

[Anonymous No.16869612]

>>16869157
the best I can do is trace some lines along the edges and somehow hold them for a while in my memory
depending on how many objects I try to imagine I can or cannot see all the lines (thus resulting in a drawing or maybe a 3d scene without any textures)

[Anonymous No.16869617]

>>16869218
i loved the way everone just ignored you

[Anonymous No.16869618]

>>16869606
See: >>16869601

[Anonymous No.16869619]

>>16869157
Apparently they just look at the shape of the sentence or something. It's unclear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u69YSh-cFXY

[Anonymous No.16869627]

>>16869598
achievement unlocked: access to the pure form of the sign without the need of the signifier

[Anonymous No.16869639]

>>16869157
I feel like people might be getting confused.
I can't literally see an apple behind my eyelids, i can just imagine the image.
And personally i can imagine the apple as a 1, but i find it hard to keep the image stable.

[Anonymous No.16869647]

>>16869604
I can definitely picture an apple, change its colour, size, and shape, but it isn't tricking my visual senses. If you could do that, it would be very easy to conflate reality with your imaginings. It's like having a 'separate screen' for what goes on in your head. When I imagine an apple, with my eyes closed, in my eyes I see darkness, in my mind, the apple. If this weren't the case, then when I imagined an apple with my eyes open, I would have an image blurred between reality and fantasy of an apple within the real world.

Do you see? If you can't picture it at all, you're a 5. If you're a 'separate screen in my head' person, you're normal. If those two screens overlap, you have a serious cognitive disorder that needs to be addressed, because at that point, you're bordering on hallucinations and delusion.

[Anonymous No.16869657]

I don't literally see the apple but I can describe the apple I'm not seeing.

[Anonymous No.16869675]

>>16869485
read more, draw more.
Most of my ideas for drawing just flash vividly into my i mind like some kind of divine inspiration. I draw pony smut

[Anonymous No.16869680]

>>16869647
I can override my sensory input with imaginary ones, and get very close with audial and visual input. T. Severe OCD with elements of psychosis

[Anonymous No.16869690]

>>16869680
>T. Severe OCD with elements of psychosis
Man I bet that shit is a ride, but I don't envy your position. I'd hate to not be able to trust my senses.

[Anonymous No.16869692]

I keep picturing a Red Delicious even though they are decidedly inferior to Gala.
Is this a sign of dysfunction?

[Anonymous No.16869694]

>>16869692
you were molested

[Anonymous No.16869705]

>>16869448
wooooow. An apple is sucking my cock

[Anonymous No.16869708]

>>16869647
I think its partially possible to overlap both screens if you concentrate and make it look real. But it requires concentration. Maybe some forms of schizophrenia are just visualization without a proper screen sharing filter.

[Anonymous No.16869712]

>>16869694
I wish

[Anonymous No.16869717]

>>16869639
oh no no no HAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.16869725]

>>16869639
Exactly. Only retards respond to this thread except me

[Anonymous No.16869744]

>>16869708
>I think its partially possible to overlap both screens if you concentrate and make it look real.
Sure, in part, but you can still make the distinction between 'this is real' and 'this is the thing I imagine'. But you are right, that takes concentration. It is like a deliberate act to cross the 'screens' over. If you have no control over it, i.e., when you imagine something it takes the same pathway as the physical stimuli, then that would be dysfunctional.

[Anonymous No.16869877]

>>16869166
M-m-marxists no see apple I swear guys.

[Anonymous No.16869887]

>>16869157
There are people who have to close their eyes to make their mental image fully vivid?

[Anonymous No.16869952]

>>16869599
>>16869601
I can override my eyes but only when they're open. And if I close them then what I'm 'seeing' usually goes away.
However, if I have my eyes closed I see just blackness. I can 'see' the apple in my minds eye but can never seem to override my eyes in any manner.

[Anonymous No.16869968]

>>16869157
5 is the philosopher's brain. We do not see silly shapes and images, but rather we experience a feeling of knowing the Form of the apple. Aphantasia is the enlightened state where all forms of materiality is rejected.

[Anonymous No.16869981]

>>16869968
5 is also the brain of the prophets and holy men. Only the fivers could experience genuine communion with God/gods and be so convinced by it that they go out into the world and preach it without doubt.

Any of the other 4 that constantly goes around imagining things in their heads would either know that it was probably just their imagination running away or they're on purpose lying to the people. Only a fiver would find the experience so different from regular life that it would transform him utterly.

So if you believe in the possibility of prophets and holy men then you need to bow to the aphantasia master race right now.

[Anonymous No.16869991]

>>16869968
This may be, probably is, cope, but it is also correct

[Anonymous No.16869994]

I had to work my way into seeing 1. I started in like 4 or 5
>>16869887
It was easier to imagine a vivid image of an apple with my eyes open

[Anonymous No.16870008]

>>16869994
I've felt that something like this could be trained. How did you do it?

[Anonymous No.16870020]

>>16869608
>She also can't enjoy music unless it has lyrics.

I'm sort of the opposite. I don't dislike lyrics but the voice is just another instrument to me, I rarely try to listen to what they're actually saying and for that reason I'm really bad at remembering lyrics. It works for me because I listen to a lot of Jap music and not understanding the lyrics doesn't bother me at all.

[Anonymous No.16870032]

>>16870020
Most people don't view the human voice as an instrument though. Most just want lyrics to listen to and memorize. Most people don't enjoy music for the musical forms.

[Anonymous No.16870045]

>>16870032
Yeah, it's pretty strange. Most people I know are like that as well. I suppose if that weren't the case, jazz, classical and other instrumental music would be much more popular. But when you turn on the radio, it's 99% lyric music.

[Anonymous No.16870058]

>>16870008
Started using my memory, then build the apple with the memories, then I could just see a pretty accurate apple, between 1 or 2
Most things can be trained

[Anonymous No.16870071]

>>16869182
fuuuck

[Anonymous No.16870098]

>>16869592
Yes. It kind of flickers. If I imagine it by the way and don't concentrate on it it's the clearest

[Anonymous No.16870111]

>>16869291
Please let me contact you to write up your case.

[Anonymous No.16870121]

>>16869478
It is not that rare. Prof Zeman gave a good talk at last year's BNPA conference with surprisingly pessimistic demographics.

[Anonymous No.16870143]

>>16870058
you didn't start with 5 then LARPer

[Anonymous No.16870172]

>>16869157
I imagined onw of these, and I even imagined the smell and the taste

[Anonymous No.16870201]

>>16869157
I dunno about 5, but there's successful authors that are a 4 on that scale

[Anonymous No.16870256]

I can imagine an apple when I try, but I wouldnt usually. When I read its more of a succession of concepts rather than actually visualising everything I read about.
I think its strange that people form very defined ideas of characters in books for example, to the point that if there is an adaptation they go "oh thats now how I imagined him to look like". To me they are kind of protean figures with changing features depending on what is happening, if I read about a character being an old man its usually kind of like when in a dream you can recognise someone despite their face being undefined and its just a mix of every old man.

[Anonymous No.16870274]

>>16870256
>changing features depending on what is happening
This is why I hate overly descriptive books. Nothing is worse than having to constantly update my conceptualization of some scene or setting as the author adds unimportant details.

[Anonymous No.16870276]

>tfw 1
>tfw jacking off to your imagination
5zombies will NEVER know this feel.

[Anonymous No.16870293]

>>16870274
>Nothing is worse than having to constantly update my conceptualization of some scene or setting as the author adds unimportant details.
Agreed, it usually throws me out of the narrative and doesnt let me focus on what is actually important. I literally tend to ignore character descriptions as much as I can, if the writer has done a good enough job with the rest of the book, you should be able to form an image of him without the need for descriptions.

[Anonymous No.16870300]

>>16870276
At the end of the day, youre still a coomer fucking his paws.

[Anonymous No.16870304]

The truth is that God is 5 and we are the apples.

[Anonymous No.16870312]

>>16870304
I meant 1

[Anonymous No.16870453]

>>16869877
Marxism is when you can't see apples. The less apples you see, the more Marxist it is.

[Anonymous No.16870510]

>>16869182
>t. Descartes

[Anonymous No.16870558]

is this some kind of troll? Who actually "sees" something when they think about it? Thought is just abstract reference to ideas.

[Anonymous No.16870561]

>>16870453
I knew it. I bet the Jews took all the apples from Marxism.

[Anonymous No.16870576]

>>16869182
IM APPLE ANONNNN!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.16870598]

>>16869473
Mental image means visualization you autist

[Anonymous No.16870609]

>>16870558
No, it's literally seeing. People can recall smells, tastes, feels, pretty much any kind of sensory experience your brain has recorded.

[Anonymous No.16870629]

>>16870609
Fuck, im brainlet then, i just imagined pizza turning into a ufo and flying off but i did not see it like i see movie or something, also i don't really need to close my eyes to daydream and imagine made up stories or settings. Am i retarded?

[Anonymous No.16870636]

>>16869601
5 detected

[Anonymous No.16870640]

>>16870636
Mmm no, I can imagine whatever type of apple I want, it just doesn't share a space with my 'real vision'. It's separated.

[Anonymous No.16870646]

>>16870629
Are you still able to have an inner dialogue inside your head? Because that's the same thing. You're hearing things in your mind. But for most people, it doesn't have to be just speaking sounds, it can also be images, etc.

[Anonymous No.16870649]

I can see the entire apple, rotate around it like I was a camera, and put myself in the image and toss it up & down.

[Anonymous No.16870663]

i mean i just pictured rotating apple, cought it in a net and threw it into a wall and it made a mess and janny told me that he will delete my post for tht, fucking janny. But i did not see it as in a movie, just sensed it to be there like i sensed movement but did not saw it.

[Anonymous No.16870676]

>>16870663
lmao, alright

[Anonymous No.16870685]

>>16870646 this one >>16870663 was for you

Also i have like entire storylike in my head, and when i feel like it i just picture more events, BUT I CAN'T FUCKING SEE THEM JUST FUCKING SENSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT WHY I NEVER HAVE DREAMS? IS THAT WHY I CAN'T EALSY PICTURE FACES? AAAA VROS AM I AN NPC?

[Anonymous No.16870710]

I closed my eyes and saw Marxism.

In a way apples aren't fully human.

I would have told you to imagine turning you gay, but this is an incredibly weak and underdeveloped criteria.

When I was very ill a few years ago I closed my eyes and all I saw was genuinely terrifying.

[Anonymous No.16870734]

>>16869458
This

[Anonymous No.16870750]

>>16869157
i close my eyes but i keep seeing the apple from the perspective of a 4-dimensional being. damn guess i'm just an npc.

[Anonymous No.16870804]

>>16869182
>some old man grabs me
>aims at a fucking human sized cockroach
>NO PLS NO

[Anonymous No.16870867]

>>16869157
You guys have apple for brains. I'm 5 because i'm normaly constituted.

[Anonymous No.16871014]

>>16869619
terrifying

[Anonymous No.16871056]

>>16869157
Every time this thread comes my answer is different
I do not think this is a stable quality

[Anonymous No.16871134]

>>16869157
I am like a 3 or 4, but it's not like what the image suggests.
I can see the top left part of a very specific red apple for a split second when I close my eyes. I cannot imagine a different apple, I cannot change the colour or see the entire apple. I can watch the apple for a split second, wait a few seconds, recall it again, repeat.

I do not need images to FEEL something when I hear music or read books. I hate lengthy descriptions but I love books than make me FEEL through the plot or characters or language.
If someone tells you something sad you do not need to close your eyes and imagine the sad thing to feel empathy... language is enough to convey feelings

[Anonymous No.16871161]

>>16869968
>>16869981
>he can't imagine an apple

[Anonymous No.16871164]

>>16869157
Are you able to coom using only your phantasy? Can you imagine a hot woman?

[Anonymous No.16871174]

>>16869166
That isn't accurate. Words are what facilitate abstract thought, not the vividness of images you imagine.

[Anonymous No.16871213]

>>16869592
>>16869473
yeah, I don't think that the OP image does the actual mental phenomenon justice. The perfect image of the apple exists in my mind, but it is like only a part of my conscious mind has access to it.

[Anonymous No.16871231]

>>16869981
I like this recovery

[Anonymous No.16871243]

>>16869157
I'm a solid 1 and when I'm reading a book it's literally like a movie going on inside my head.

[Anonymous No.16871252]

>>16871243
It was like this when I was a kid, but lost it after I got access to the internet

[Anonymous No.16871270]

>>16869291
interesting.....I had a very similar experience, however I am a musician with perfect pitch and I lost the ability for a while and was always playing out of tune. I thought I was going insane.

[Anonymous No.16871311]

I cant see the apple, but I know what it looks like. I can imagine the details on it in words, just not in images.

[Anonymous No.16871329]

>>16869314
Do you actually have taste in your mind's eye? I have sight and sound similar to reality (although certain things like deafening noise or blinding light are much weaker) but touch, temperature, taste, smell are all just thought of, rather than actually perceived.

[Anonymous No.16871353]

>>16869166
>marxism is when you can't see apples
>can't discuss anything without talking about marxism
>constantly thinks about marxism
>is unable to see the world past his baby ideological red scare glasses

[Anonymous No.16871392]

>>16871329
I have sight, sound, and touch. although touch is very much muted by contrast to actual touch. Same with smell.

[Anonymous No.16871422]

>>16869617
You didn't.

[Anonymous No.16871427]

I don't see anything, because my eyes are closed

[Anonymous No.16871444]

>>16869353
>>16869458
Someone please explain. How tf do you try to imagine an apple and end up with a grey blob. Are you colorblind in your head? What if you try to imagine a grey blob? Would it turn out even worse than the "apple?" Please help.

[Anonymous No.16871446]

>>16871329
no smell or taste. Touch extremely faint to nonexistent. It all coems down to the audiovisual-apple-brain.

[Anonymous No.16871452]

>>16871444
It is like a combination of what you see in your minds eye and what you see in your real eyes.

[Anonymous No.16871543]

>>16871164
I would pity anyone who couldn't. My horniest faps came from my own fantasies and imaginations

[Anonymous No.16871559]

Pretty sure I broke my brain at somepoint from all the brain damage as a child and drugs in college. When reading my imagination fights for attention and I see visualizations that can interrupt me reading.

[Anonymous No.16871608]

>>16871444
Checked

[Anonymous No.16871656]

I can never tell if this is an elaborate troll. I can imagine something, but it doesn't override my vision in the way a hallucination would. It's in my mind's eye, I daydream all the time, etc. If shit's literally projecting out for most people they wouldn't be such shit artists because they'd be tracing the God-tier shit they're imagining. Like I can imagine an incredible illustration right now, but it's not like it can leap out onto the page and I can just trace over what I'm projecting out. It's strictly in the mind's eye, which is different from they eye's eye lol

[Anonymous No.16871730]

>>16869182
>Close my eyes
>Imagine an apple
>Imagine one in the grocery store
>Imagine I'm in taking my mom grocery shopping one last time
>Talk to her, smile, drive her home, help her put the groceries away, go home
>Open eyes, it was all just a figment of my imagination

[Anonymous No.16871818]

>>16871656
>I can never tell if this is an elaborate troll

That's why OP said to look up the word Aphantasia you applelet

[Anonymous No.16871843]

I am one of the most imaginative people I know, constantly doing art and writing. According to tests I am very good at manipulating shapes and figures in my head. I can visualize unfolding complex shapes and refolding them step by step in different arrangements. But I don't "see" things in my head. I don't even think 1 is possible. Imagination has never been about photorealistic images and I think this picture does mental modeling a disservice

[Anonymous No.16871858]

interesting chart. i'm a 2. colors are easy to imagine but textures and nuanced details take me a while to dream up.

[Anonymous No.16871880]

>>16869341
>Unironic NPC
I can conjure up a vivid scene of me eating an apple and tasting it. Even though I hate apples and never eat them. Seethe, bugman

[Anonymous No.16871906]

>>16871818
I know what aphantasia is. I'm describing the experience of outlining how I imagine things, and half the people who respond to it say "That's normal, it doesn't actually project and the mind's eye is different from seeing things from your real eyes" and the other half is "LITERALLY NPC 5 BRAINLET THE BACK OF YOUR EYES AREN'T A PROJECTOR? LMFAOOOOO". Communicating this stuff is difficult, but I just wanna know where's the lie? It's annoying because it's impossible to adequately communicate an experience. It's like describing smell, or the color red.

[Anonymous No.16871927]

>>16871134
Yeah that's a good point. Partial images could even be a compromise between this urge to see something to feel it vs. comprehending it abstractly. Maybe the less detailed set of people exists because those are the ones who have never needed representations to feel it.

[Anonymous No.16871940]

>>16869601
>>16869618
Yeah, you're a 5, sorry. Most people can close their eyes and literally see shit, it's not conceptual for them: they actually see shapes, colors, landscapes, all that jazz

[Anonymous No.16871943]

>>16869157
I don't really see an apple in any form like this. It's closest to 5, but not quite. I can fly around an apple or fly into it, into the stem, even roll it, it is vague however. I know how the 5 looks like, because I took LSD, and sober it is very dim and like flashing hazy images. So I can imagine the movements and the physics, but it feels like I'm blind or that I have photophobia

[Anonymous No.16871951]

>>16871943
No, 5ers cannot even see hazy images. If they close their eyes they see pitch black

[Anonymous No.16871952]

>>16871943
I meant to say that I know how 1 looks like. The images I was imagining were very clear and I could picture every object from any possible angle for however long I want and it appeared before my eyes instantly, I didn't have to put any effort. And it was like 4K compared to my normal 240p

[Anonymous No.16871958]

>>16871951
I guess it's like 3 for me, then.

[Anonymous No.16871981]

>>16871951
For me imagining has nothing to do with my literal vision. I can see something I'm imagining perfectly fine, just in the back of my head, not in front of my eyes. I'd daydream all the time in school and get into trouble for it. I'm far from a 5, or at least what a 5 is supposed to represent.

[Anonymous No.16871996]

>>16869157
All these apples look nasty
red delicious > all other apples

[Anonymous No.16872010]

>>16871996
granny smith is the gentleman's choice. i would still invite you to my whiskey and cigar luncheon, but we would chuckle behind your back.

[Anonymous No.16872017]

>>16871951
>If they close their eyes they see pitch black
That's not how this works dumbass

[Anonymous No.16872071]

I dream in movies but see nothing when I'm awake. Same as when visualizing with your eyes open.

[Anonymous No.16872072]

>>16871940
Get your schizophrenia diagnosed promptly. It is not supposed to share the field with your physical vision. I can see it, but it's different because it is not produced by physical stimuli. If your brain has conflated those pathways, you need help before your delusions run amuck and you hurt yourself based on hallucination.

[Anonymous No.16872083]

>>16871996
>>16872010
Honeycrisp you cunts

[Anonymous No.16872109]

>>16872072
This is basically what I'm saying. If it's truly projecting outward and taking over your actual visual field, you should be an artistic prodigy without any excuse. Just trace what you imagine lmfao. You also wouldn't/shouldn't be able to drive. I think most people see it in their mind, but not necessarily in front of their eyes, then there are the poor souls that are fully aphantasiac that just think "Red apple, maybe stem, unwashed" when told to imagine an apple. I'm sure there's a distribution of ability to this sort of thing, but these idiots can't describe their experiences well enough so they simplify by going "It's literally there, bro, it's taken over my vision!!"

[Anonymous No.16872330]

>>16869157
Hello

[Anonymous No.16872359]

>>16871981
If you cannot literally see colors and shapes, then you're a fiver.
>>16872017
Yes it is.
>>16872072
I haven't said that, what I've said is that when non-aphantasic people close their eyes, they can actually conjure colors and shapes (although they would not mistake them for the ones that are produced through physical vision). Aphantasic people, instead, cannot conjure colors and shapes, although they can have an intuitive understanding of images (as in, even if they cannot see an apple, they conceptually know what it's like, so that they can reproduce it through drawing, for example).
>>16872109
That's why i specifically talked about closed eyes visualization.

[Anonymous No.16872418]

>>16872359
I do see it. Just in my head. Not through my eyes.

[Anonymous No.16872544]

>>16872418
Then you're not aphantasic. Aphantasic people cannot see anything with their mind-eye, when awake their only source for visualizization is physical vision. That's why I talked about scenarios in which one's own eyes are closed: if you cut that source of vision from the aphantasic, he is left with no visualization whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.16872571]

Filthy sensualists. Go play video games if you want to congratulate yourself on your ability to treat literature as code for your low-res visual fantasies.
Literature is pure word and pure thought.

[Anonymous No.16872577]

>>16869166
I wonder if Daniel Dennett is a five. Pretty sure he is.

[Anonymous No.16872703]

>>16869157
>How do people like you enjoy books when you literally lack the ability to imagine?
Just look 90% of /lit/ threads. People here are so void that always ask if a book "can predict the future/society changes/etc" or give them "orders or codes to live". All that those guys do is installing drivers on their minds, because they can't appreciate beauty.
Anyway, that is why I love 4chan, a massive human garbage filter, a free retard container.

[Anonymous No.16872792]

>>16872571
Sounds like cope anon

[Anonymous No.16873870]

>>16869725
kek

[Anonymous No.16875109]

>>16869157
I can imagine the look, smell, touch and taste of a real apple pretty much eidetically but what sort of creature imagines a two dimensional shape or a blurred outline? Not even animals do this

[Anonymous No.16875248]

>>16869459
You’re lying..I bet you have lucid dreams too, epic!

[Anonymous No.16875339]

>>16869157
I can even imagine the taste

[Anonymous No.16875496]

>>16872792
Everything is

[Anonymous No.16875599]

>>16871730
Awh...

[Anonymous No.16875716]

>>16872571
>Literature is pure word and pure thought.
I will find you

[Anonymous No.16876338]

how is it even possible to not be able to picture things i do not understand how these people live

[Anonymous No.16876353]

>>16869182

[Anonymous No.16876373]

I don't know what I am. If you tell me to visualize an apple I immediately get a photographic memory flashback to a real apple or set of apples I had observed, but it dissipates about as quickly. If I close my eyes I almost never literally see an image, and if I do it is again ephemeral. I guess that's a 5?

[Anonymous No.16876587]

I have a quasi-photographic memory, so my picture of an apple is the last one I saw - a month ago in my fridge.

Where is that on your diagram?

[Anonymous No.16876614]

>>16869157
I am a 1 and I don't enjoy books. But I mostly read philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16876640]

>>16869157
Are there other levels of this? I can imagine an apple and rotate it around, or a ball bouncing around and imagine the physics of it right in front of me.

Am I big brain?

[Anonymous No.16876662]

>>16869166
>since they can't actually 'imagine' the outcomes of the positions they espouse.
You're an idiot, but this made me burst out laughing

[Anonymous No.16876709]

It's strange to me that no one in this thread pointed out the difference between Si and Ni. Maybe none of you know MBTI well enough but this whole debate is so perfectly explained with these two functions. Si is one of the most common functions and one of commo ot dominant functions in society. It characterizes people who cannot form concepts of things, only personal experiences. They see 1. Most people in this thread are probably intuitives with high Ni or low Si. They see 5 in their head but sense the Form of an apple if that makes sense. High Ni is what Plato, Petterson, Nietzsche, Wittgenstein, etc.. have. They are rare. High Si couldn't write a book and they are common.

Some people think in words and some in patterns.
Some people honor the word of the law and others the heart of the law.

[Anonymous No.16876740]

>>16876709
Wouldn't Si see 5, not 1?

[Anonymous No.16876783]

>>16876709
What about the Ti-Ne dominant loop? How can you explain, for example, the phenomena of an INTP being able to cognize this apple? Asking for a friend.

[Anonymous No.16876845]

>>16876740
Honestly the picture is limiting our discussion of how people perceive things. I think you sorta make a point. Si doms would struggle picturing the abstraction of an apple but would easily see a specific apple they ate many years ago.


>>16876783
I've been thinking a lot about INTPs because they are pretty much the only type that can hold an intellectual conversation with me(INTJ) but yet they think so different. I think they can see an abstraction of an apple, but that abstraction is very specific if that makes sense. Like maybe an Ni dom would picture colorless Appleness, where as Ne doms would picture many different colors of Appleness. I'm not sure honestly

[Anonymous No.16876876]

>>16876845
How is an abstraction of an apple all that different than a specific apple? If Si can imagine a single specific apple won't they able to imagine a multiplicity of different apples?
What about imagining tastes or sounds, or using the imagination to construct something else entirely?
>t. infp

[Anonymous No.16876902]

>>16876876
the abstraction of an apple is like many images of apples layered, essentially. Hume kinda makes a case for the impossibility of a perfect abstraction though iirc

[Anonymous No.16876942]

>>16876902
Can you imagine different abstractions?

[Anonymous No.16876947]

>>16876876
I suppose the difference is in the level of detail. Like if we strip away pixel quality can the we still recognize the apple as an apple? Then of we strip away color can we? Then shape? Now I have Appleness which is an apple with no detail.

I think when Si constructs something different, it uses something concrete to do so. You being an INFP reminds me of Tolkien. He used (to my knowledge) ancient germanic languages to create Elvish, rather than creating a language based off of mechanics of grammar and ease of writing.

[Anonymous No.16876964]

>>16876942
yes.

[Anonymous No.16876975]

>>16876902
Your post got me thinking about pic related and how it contrasts with what a romantic would paint.

[Anonymous No.16877221]

>>16871422
He was just happy about u being ignored (u deserve it) and wanted to share his happiness about that with u <3 point is your post is irrelevant to the discussion

[Anonymous No.16877247]

((( >>16869218 )))

[Anonymous No.16877285]

>>16871730
anon i...

[Anonymous No.16877291]

>>16877247
[[[ dumb fucking retard ]]]

[Anonymous No.16877321]

At night, in the pitch dark, i can sometimes close my eyes and imagine a light so bright that i could not say whether a light was on in the room or not. Anybody else with something like this?

[Anonymous No.16877389]

>>16869157
i literally imagine the things happening in the book like a movie. Therefore, when characters are described post their introduction, it becomes a bit disorientating.

[Anonymous No.16877399]

>>16869182

[Anonymous No.16877418]

>>16877389
I do this as well and sometimes have to 'go back' and change how certain areas or buildings etc look.

[Anonymous No.16877459]

>>16869218
>>16869227 (true)
>>16869606
>>16869877
>>16871174
>>16871353
>>16876662
incredibly assblasted trannies
>>16869166
incredibly based and "the lives of p-zombies should not factor into our moral considerations"pilled
Reminder to all Marxists/P-Zombies that you will never be human and your "response" is output from a Chinese room or something.

[Anonymous No.16877487]

I find I actually can't just imagine an apple.

I need to put the apple somewhere. Like it's fine if it's just an apple floating through an empty void, but I'm still imagining the void the apple is in in addition to the apple. But that's not my immediate instinct - when I decided to try it, the first thing I came up with was someone holding an apple in their right hand, standing on a hillside on a overcast day.

Now, not all of this is pictured with the same amount of detail, of course, in fact the apple is the only part that has any at all, because that's all I'm paying attention to, but I know there's also a hand with some sort of long sleeve on it - I don't know what kind of pattern is on the sleeve, if any - and I don't have any distinct cloud formations or a sense how high the grass is on the hill. I would also have to exert additional effort to get any sense of touch from the apple, and I didn't just now.

But I can't just have an apple. I need a scene for the apple to be in, however lightly sketched.

also OH NO i'm a marxist

[Anonymous No.16877495]

>>16869157
When Iie in bed and close my eyes I am a 1 to 3. Right now I am between 4 and 5. Feels like this situational.

[Anonymous No.16877500]

>>16877487
Imagination is really the only way for Marxists to see an apple

[Anonymous No.16877504]

>>16869182
Als Anon eines Morgens aus unruhigen Träumen erwachte, fand er sich in seinem Bett zu einem frischen Apfel verwandelt.

[Anonymous No.16877529]

>>16877500
Keep licking those boots, some day Bezos will repay you for your loyalty.

No, not today, of course. You haven't earned any of the apples you spent all day picking. Those belong to the people who own the whole world. But look at all the nice apple-flavored woodshavings you can buy with the company scrip they're paying you with according to the contract you freely entered into in order not to die.

[Anonymous No.16877746]

I'm an extreme one, as in I can flip it round, change the quality and angle of light bouncing off it and the sheen as it rotates. I can feel my fingertips twist and pluck the stem out and I can take a bite and find half a worm.

The absolute WORST thing my mind is capable of is being able to picture any text in any font or handwriting and change it at will. Do I really remember that address I wrote down or did I just invent an address and populate an invented page with my own handwriting? I was in a hurry when I wrote it, it occurs to me just now, so now the writing in my mind's eye is sloppy and slanted to the right. Its treacherous.

[Anonymous No.16877790]

>>16870111
Sounds good to me. Shall I shoot you an email?

[Anonymous No.16877800]

>>16871270
It's eerie how that happens, right? I was a young writer and altogether lost my ability to string together more than one sentence at a time -- whether on paper or in conversation. I was mute for at least a month.

[Anonymous No.16877806]

>>16869182

[Anonymous No.16877813]

>>16870804
Underrated post

[Anonymous No.16877954]

>>16877529
>rejecting marxist nonsense means you love the status quo
Nah. You wastes of oxygen might like to pretend your delusional ideology is the only alternative to liberalism, but that doesn't make it true.

[Anonymous No.16878078]

>>16869157
How can you distinguish between the belief that you have an experience and your really having it?
Hint: You can't.

[Anonymous No.16878129]

guys an apple literally materialized in front of me

[Anonymous No.16878144]

>>16869157
>imagine apple
>tfw when I'm worth 1 trillion US dollars

[Anonymous No.16878279]

>>16877813
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.16878305]

>>16869157
why even watch porn if you can create it in your head?

[Anonymous No.16878328]

>>16878305
i still jerk it to girls i went to highschool with 16 years ago, porn cant compete

[Anonymous No.16878334]

>>16878328
>i still jerk it to girls i went to highschool with 16 years ago
Pretty sure that's CP and as such illegal. FBI is on the way.

[Anonymous No.16878529]

>>16869182

[Anonymous No.16878538]

>>16869157
Your eyes need to be following text to read, any visualization is purely abstract as opposed to a dream or hallucination. Everyone is full of shit on this.

[Anonymous No.16878552]

>>16871730
fucking hell anon

[Anonymous No.16879080]

>>16869157
1. It's in 3D too, can picture the soft waxy coating as well.

[Anonymous No.16879100]

1. I can rotate it, I can change the color. I can even imagine a 3d apple in something like blender and change the rgb values using sliders.

[Anonymous No.16879119]

>>16878305
95% of my fap sessions are imagination only. I can imagine any degenerate scenario with any person it's better than most porn. I pity anyone who cant do this.

[Anonymous No.16879154]

I can sort of see it at the "back of my mind" but the picture is hard to project on to my eyelids. I know people who say they can project images in front real life objects (like a elephant next to a irl tree), but this isn't something I can do at all. The idea of the elephant is always somewhere "at the back", identifiable yet not seen clearly in the real world.

When I'm sleeping and dreamingmy imagination is extremely vivid, but day to day I don't really picture things. It's almost schizophrenic hallucianation to be like that - I just accept what's in front of me.

[Anonymous No.16879164]

I can visualize 1 just fine if I make an effort, but honestly I almost never visualize in day to day life. I prefer abstract/conceptual thought, I don't even have a language based internal monologue half the time. I read a lot of fantasy books in my childhood/early teens and would get immersed in the conceptual worldbuilding/possibilities and the plot/characters instead of just visualizing what was described. Visualization is overrated unless you're an artist, you font need to visualize to do maths, even if some use visualization to help them understand high level maths or philosophy, abstract/conceptual understanding is quicker and superior.

[Anonymous No.16879196]

>>16869157
>imagine being this person

[Anonymous No.16879239]

>>16879196
Honestly, good for him. Reading that is scary when I think about the people who claim to have no inner monologue. They're unironically NPCs and this guy just happened to "wake up"

[Anonymous No.16879258]

>>16869157
Wait things literally appears on your eyelids ? You can see them like a 3d models in blender, rotate ultra complex object look at them one way and visualize everything without forgetting them and having to "recreate them" ?

[Anonymous No.16879261]

>>16879258
...isn't the ability to imagine and rotate a 3D object one of the most basic problems on an IQ test?

[Anonymous No.16879263]

>>16879196
This is pretty interesting. Untill a few months ago I never heard about anything like this, then at first I thought it was just a joke.

[Anonymous No.16879285]

>>16879258
Yes I can do all of that. I wouldnt say its on the eye lids though, its just there.

[Anonymous No.16879300]

>>16879261
It does not work the same way, also you're think of those spatial visualization test, you're reconstructing a 2d shape into a 3d one, like what shadows does this uneven object cast, how will an unfolded dice look once folded and what kind of rotation is that.

I'm talking seeing details, having it crystal clear, like you were watching it on a computer, you imagine water gliding on and reflecting on an apple, the uneven texture of the fruit, you decide to look at it from the bottom, and each and every little details is the same.

[Anonymous No.16879341]

>>16879300
Ah.

In that case, my answer would be that the part I'm focusing on is crystal clear. If I pay attention to it, of course I can imagine a droplet of water running down the side of an apple, but that loses me other aspects that I'm not focusing on - of course I don't NOTICE that, because I'm not paying attention to that.

You know what I mean? I can call up any aspect of the apple I want, but I can't call them up simultaneously. Nevertheless, that doesn't detract from the realistic feeling of the apple because I can't notice the aspects I'm not paying attention to currently BECAUSE I'M NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT.

[Anonymous No.16879378]

>>16879341
This sounds pretty normal, I mean even when you look at soemthing with your actual eyes you can not notice every single detail at the same time.

I wonder if this could be used in soem way, for example if I could increase my intelligence by visualising things as clearly as possible, or if it could be a form of meditation.

[Anonymous No.16879386]

>>16879285
I frankly doubt it, you're probably misinterpreting your own visualization process, if i had to guess i'd say you're probably just recreating the idea of each little things you viewed.
For instance would you be able to visualize the whole Titanic, from it's smallest screw to its biggest funnel ?

>>16879341
Exactly, because your brain is recreating and redoing everything you're focusing on, you're not zooming in on the droplet or the third screw holding the door of the Titanic's captain's room, you're recreating an idea of what a droplet on an apple is or what the screw looks like.
It doesn't take anything off of how real it feels, but it's not a perfect reconstruction your brain just create from top to bottom for you, it's something you can really feel in dreams.

[Anonymous No.16879428]

>>16879386
Of course I can not visualize anything that complex. Its also too big. I can visualise pretty much every object that would fit into my visual gield thiugh. I dont understand the difference between bisualisation and recreation. I can visualise thing that I have never seen, like a green elephant but of course when something is outside of my normal experience I can not visualise it, like an actual electron, I can only visualize an illustration of it.

[Anonymous No.16879675]

>>16869166
>People with aphantasia are P-zombies
Pet much this, best way to see it.

[Anonymous No.16879765]

I had a long conversation with my sister in the spring about her lack of inner mo monologue. Quite interesting. A good test for everyone here would be to actually think about movies. I work in the film industry, and visualization is a core skill needed to create filmed material. Go and download a movie script and read it. Scripts by Tarantino often contain the literal directions of what the camera will be doing during a given scene. If you have seen the movie in question before, that would be cheating, but based on what I have read a person with this condition can't even "see" the pictures from films they have watched when trying to remember them later on? Most scripts do not contain this level of detail, but when you read it is expected that you can imagine your own version of the set, the light, the camera position/movement, costumes, etc depending on your specific job on the set. I also quite often need to visualize how a scene will play out before even writing it, imagining camera movements, places, etc.

If you can't do this at all I am sorry, but you might be an NPC.

[Anonymous No.16879807]

>>16869157
Mine looks look like 1 but with an almost glass look to it. As in it looks like a scifi hologram of an actual apple. What does that say about me?

[Anonymous No.16879848]

>>16869157
I genuinely do not believe that there are people who can not think in words or images.
I have never met any person like this and there is no way it's real. Literally every single person I know has an internal monologue and is also able to imagine images in their head at level 1.
I think this is just an internet meme. Aphantasia isnt real and everyone has an internal monologue.

[Anonymous No.16879862]

>>16878538
Nope. When reading a book, within a minute, I stop reading the words and the images of the scene simply appears in my head like a movie.
This is what happens for most people as well.

[Anonymous No.16879867]

>>16876640
No, you can just visualise knowledge in your head. It sucks because in-stead of instinctively knowing how a ball will bounce, you need to imagine PHYSICS and imagine the ball behaving according to PHYSICS. This shit takes like forever, only perk is that you can then imagine slamdunking that shit. Feels good.

[Anonymous No.16879888]

>>16869157
I saw a swinging lightbulb. Where do I sit on this chart?

[Anonymous No.16879891]

>>16879196
I spent most of my life trying to shut out my inner monologue.

I think I got a better hold of my feelings now, because I become aware of them more fully and immediatelly instead of breaking them down into words.

[Anonymous No.16879901]

>>16876640
I can imagine grabbing and pressing it until it crumbles into juicy bits between my fingers.

But I can't do mental smells.

[Anonymous No.16880069]

this is dumb as shit bc that image primes you to imagine apple #1. garbage methodology

[Anonymous No.16880190]

This thread is giving me a headache

[Anonymous No.16880611]

>>16880190
Think of apples and the pain will fade away, trust me anon

[Anonymous No.16880815]

>>16880190
Stop thinking, it's not good for your brain.

[Anonymous No.16881098]

>>16879862
For me, I narrate it with my inner voice and only picture a scene with still images, or little moments of movement, often omitting a background during conversations where the setting isn't emphasized, with just characters, or even faces speaking in a void, it's strange, but the logic of the narration is what I mostly pay attention to, not the image the text projects, if that makes any sense. Am I a bugman?

[Anonymous No.16881171]

>>16869182
AN APPLE JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE AHHHHHB

[Anonymous No.16881818]

>>16879196
I think that might be some kind of a larp. You would inevitably hear about other people having inner monologues way before you're 20.

[Anonymous No.16882225]

>>16869157
I've spent my entire life daydreaming as an escape from my mundane life I will always be a 1. I get excited to daydream before I go to sleep about whatever fantasy world I pick to think about. can't imagine being a 5, daydreaming and being able to vividly imagine any scenario is what keeps me alive.

[Anonymous No.16882261]

>>16870032
>>16870020
I've always been this way, couldn't give less of a fuck about what the lyrics were saying as long as it sounds good it wasn't untill I start going on /mu/ reading meme music critics and watched a few melon videos where I started to pay more attention to the lyrics but even now I will listen to most music and not even look up the lyrics unless I really like how it all sounds.

[Anonymous No.16882295]

>>16877221
> irrevelant topic
> here are my two cents

Also I've never seen a heart on 4chan. You must be a real fruitcake.

[Anonymous No.16882349]

>>16879196
it would be impossible to go through university like this, how would they pass a test?

[Anonymous No.16882450]

This is just semantics.

[Anonymous No.16882629]

>>16877500
kek

[Anonymous No.16883226]

You should be able to visualise imaginary memory palaces that you can place and recall images and information in. Read Francis Yates.

[Anonymous No.16883245]

>>16869157
-10
I can picture myself coring the apple and fucking it in 4K

[Anonymous No.16883324]

>>16883245
I have to agree with this. At a minumium I imagine the apple in 3D with my minds eye camera sweeping over and around it in dramatic kino angles, the apple rotating with hightlights and difracted glistening as different parts expose themselves to the environmental light sources, the apple set at centre-piece of an extravagant neo-classical garden palace, with wild birds and stalking creatures meadering around it.

[Anonymous No.16883356]

>>16879196
>I moved to Canada when I was 2 from Asia

[Anonymous No.16883362]

>>16879258
With the minds eye, yes.

[Anonymous No.16883368]

I'm pretty much a five most of the time, but I have near perfect visual and episodic memories do I construct Frankensteined visuals drawn from movies and games when reading.

[Anonymous No.16883420]

If youre not a 1 you are nothing

[Anonymous No.16883506]

if i close my eyes and imagine something I see the image but it's like a faded dream. if you claim to be 5 on this how do your dreams look? do you dream?

[Anonymous No.16883536]

I can visualize parts of an apple with high fidelity and recall the texture and taste and more minor details but my ability to retain a detailed image of a full apple is fleeting at best. Am I an insect too?

[Anonymous No.16883542]

>>16869166
>Marxism
cant wait for an actual left in the usa get its shit together and make economic sociopath rage some more. it will be about something real for a change.

[Anonymous No.16883583]

>>16869601
This so much, some people just take the "minds eye image" much too literal and think that there's a literal film projection on a "1's" eyelids.

brainlets, all of em.

[Anonymous No.16883619]

>>16869157
I guess I'd be a 1, I see shit as if it were right in front of me, but I get lost in the books. I stop seeing the words and it's like a movie in my head and I can see it all and the rest of world just kinda fades into background noise.

[Anonymous No.16883648]

I can see the apple and move it around, I know every color, i know the shape, texture, but I'm not sure if I'm actually seeing it, or if I am just projecting my descriptions into a pseudo-reality inbetween thoughts and hallucination.

[Anonymous No.16883670]

>>16869157
I would actually argue those who cannot produce images from words are more intelligent than those who can. The inability for useless abstractions for the sake of “art” has no intrinsic value.

[Anonymous No.16883763]

>>16869182
holy shit imagine a cute femboy pls

[Anonymous No.16883811]

>>16883536
Sounds like you are just a bit unfocused. Try some meditation or something.

[Anonymous No.16883813]

>>16869157
if you're not a 1, you should be castrated

[Anonymous No.16883837]

>>16869157
>mfw not only a one but am able to imagine that apple on the top of the Empire State Building, defying gravity, on the moon etc in ultra 4k™ high definition hyperrealistic mode
It's a shame I'm shit at art because I'd have no problem with perspective

[Anonymous No.16883904]

this aphantasia shit has plagued /ic/ for the past 2 years. the people that fall for this meme are the same people that would fall for a penis enlargement ad 20 years ago. the only mental illness you people have is retardation

[Anonymous No.16883991]

>>16871270
So perfect pitch is a crutch then?

[Anonymous No.16883998]

>>16883904
Based, same with neuroplasticity fags.

[Anonymous No.16884030]

>>16883837
Hi Ignatius

[Anonymous No.16884460]

>>16869157
wouldn't an easier test be to imagine having sex while jacking off?
if you successfully cum, you're imagination is fine.
if you can't cum from imagination alone, but require porn or physical person present, then you don't have a good imagination.

[Anonymous No.16884497]

>>16869166
Rent free

[Anonymous No.16884498]

>>16884460
This is the kind of stuff that sounds like a joke but there is some truth to it. I have always wondered why some people can't do it.

[Anonymous No.16884986]

>>16869606
So you are not a 5, but an 1. You don't actually SEE the apple with your eyes unless you're a schizo or something, but with your mind's eye.

[Anonymous No.16885536]

>>16882295
I dont a fuckin shit about your opinion you deraling faggot

[Anonymous No.16885776]

>>16869182
IM APPLE ANON! WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB IM APPLE ANON!

[Anonymous No.16886930]

>>16883226
I have tried to understand memory palaces, but still can't quite wrap my head around it

[Anonymous No.16887018]

holy shit this board is dumb. imagine believing in any of this nonsense.

[Anonymous No.16887231]

anyone who says thinks have this made up disease needs to stimulate their brain more. obviously you can't visual shit in your head if you do nothing all day

[Anonymous No.16887363]

>>16884460
What if I can't cum to my imagination but have near weekly wet dreams at 23?

[Anonymous No.16887570]

>>16886930
It’s simple.

Find a place you frequent often, one that you can *mostly* remember without thinking.

Assign wanted memory to an object that you can recall in wanted order. For example - walking into my house and memorising the doormat, seat, coat hanger, shelf, painting, door, etc in that order I can assign to them what I want to remember.

Practice.

[Anonymous No.16887615]

i can visualize the apple like 5 but I can't keep it visualized. It kind of flickers and it takes a great deal of effort to visualize it for longer than a second or two.

[Anonymous No.16887641]

>Most humans can't even visualize things.

Holy shit but maybe I shouldn't be surprised.

[Anonymous No.16887703]

Almost everyone ITT can't understand their visualization process.

The NPC answer are 5 and 1.

[Anonymous No.16887711]

>>16877321
Yeah I get the light with eyes closed too sometimes Anon.

[Anonymous No.16887764]

>>16869157
1, if I “just imagine” an apple it’s generally more like a memory, like I visualize me in my kitchen holding an apple or a bag of apples I have or apples at the grocery store. But if I focus I can imagine like “just the apple” in like black space or something