/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16886023]

Where to start with Guenon, Spengler and Evola? What is a required reading before reading them?

[Anonymous No.16886033]

>>16886023
I read the entire bibliography of Guenon before realizing he was a waste of time. I suggest Jung instead.

[Anonymous No.16886038]

Do LSD instead

[Anonymous No.16886040]

>>16886023
>What is a required reading before reading them?

[Anonymous No.16886046]

>Guenon
don't bother, he's pseud maxima

[Anonymous No.16886116]

>>16886046
Why do you think so?

[Anonymous No.16886131]

>>16886116
I mean just look at him...

[Anonymous No.16886137]

>>16886023
Before starting with any of them, you first have to read Fantômas.

[Anonymous No.16886145]

>>16886131
Did you edit his forehead to make it taller?

[Anonymous No.16886146]

>>16886145

[Anonymous No.16886151]

>>16886033
what do you think of guenon's critique of jung? do you not agree jung is a bit reductionist

[Anonymous No.16886153]

>>16886023
For Evola see pic related.
If you wanna be serious, it's important to have a good base on myths and philosophy. Unironically start with the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.16886157]

>>16886038
LSD always leaves me with more questions than answers.

[Anonymous No.16886161]

>>16886153

[Anonymous No.16886211]

>>16886023
Read western canon before going into the deep end

[Anonymous No.16886220]

>>16886153
>If you wanna be serious, it's important to have a good base on myths and philosophy
Is wikipedia enough?

[Anonymous No.16886227]

>>16886023
if your not familiar with at least tier 1 and 2 on this list youre gonna have a hard time understaning any of them

[Anonymous No.16886339]

>>16886220
No.

[Anonymous No.16886444]

>>16886339
>Plato complete works
>1800 pages

[Anonymous No.16886449]

>>16886444
Yes.

[Anonymous No.16886684]

>>16886449
But why?

[Anonymous No.16886713]

>>16886684
you dont really need to read Plato first to understand Guenon and Evola

[Anonymous No.16886775]

>>16886684
I said in my post "if you want to be serious". And for that you have to be familiar with the basis of western thought. By all means, you can read Evola only using that chart, but be aware that you will not extract as much from the text as if you had the proper base(that the author also had).

[Anonymous No.16886976]

>>16886023
>Guenon
Faggot.

[Anonymous No.16886980]

>>16886023
My advice - don't bother with Spengler. If you want something modernity-oriented read Junger instead. For Guenon, try "The Reign of Quantity". With Evola, either read his essays and political works first, pick up a book he wrote on a specific tradition (Yoga of Power or Doctrine of Awakening) or spend some time reading bits and pieces of whatever until you get used to his terminology and ideas. Then just read everything lol. No previous reading required for the Traditionalists, since they are basically the first to write about that field, but you may need to read up on things as you go into it. Knowledge of the Platonists, Hermetics etc wouldn't hurt.
>>16886033
Ok retard
>>16886153
I don't like this chart at all, it's basically arbitrary. There is no reason why Ride the Tiger should come after five other books. You also don't need the Greeks at all for the Trads.
>>16886775
Evola will give you all that you need to understand him, idk where you got the idea that you need to know the Greeks or whatever.

[Anonymous No.16887028]

Spengler has nothing to do with Evola or Guenon, and Evola and Guenon are only tangentially related. For Evola, you can dive right in, he explains his stuff well. For Spengler, there's zero point in "preparing", the man was far more well read than you can ever hope to be so just look stuff up as needed. For Guenon, you either do the same as Evola or just ignore him entirely because he's either commenting on things he doesn't understand (Hindu Doctrines) or coming up with new stuff that isn't really aided by prior sources (Reign of Quantity).

>>16886980
Nobody cares about your oApinion, and good god is it a terrible one.

[Anonymous No.16887032]

>>16887028
>Spengler has nothing to do with Evola or Guenon
Stopped reading there buddy

[Anonymous No.16887051]

>>16887032
>I have never read Spengler, Evola, or Guenon
Then why have an opinion?

[Anonymous No.16887087]

>>16887028
>Nobody cares about your oApinion, and good god is it a terrible one.
Better than whatever yours is lmao.
>>16887032
He's mostly right though.

[Anonymous No.16887109]

>My advice - don't bother with Spengler.

[Anonymous No.16887111]

>>16887087
>The ones who criticized the decline of Modern world were not at least partially influenced by the first who criticized the decline of the West
>Evola even translated The Decline
You must be kidding.

[Anonymous No.16887205]

>>16887109
Yes retard, no one cares about Becoming.
>>16887111
It's a good book, but it doesn't share much with the Traditionalist perspective other than a pessimistic perspective and a right wing point of view

[Anonymous No.16887211]

>>16886023
For Guenon, Crisis of the Modern World and The Reign of Quantity, maybe East and West. For Spengler, Decline of the West and Man and Technics. For Evola, Revolt Against the Modern World I guess, but warning, he sounds like a legit schizo in that text.

[Anonymous No.16887220]

>>16887205
>pessimistic perspective and a right wing point of view
That's the point

[Anonymous No.16887328]

>>16887211
>sounds like a legit schizo in that text.
Whoah, he is just like me.

[Anonymous No.16888290]

>>16886131
Hot

[Anonymous No.16888295]

>>16886131
>>16886146
This is what enlightenment does to a man

[Anonymous No.16889220]

>>16888295
Kek

[Anonymous No.16889278]

>>16886153
>>16886161
Bullshit. Start with the bronze age.

[Anonymous No.16889287]

>>16886161
>>16889278
>not starting with the hyperboreans

[Anonymous No.16889302]

>>16889278
Pseud. Here's the true starting point.

[Anonymous No.16889391]

You don't need to be acquainted with the greeks nor the scholastics to read Guénon, they're only briefly mentioned in his books. Post-medieval philosophy (including western metaphysics) is even less of a requirement, it is only mentioned to be made into a punchingbag for his critique of modernity.

I recommend reading the books on Spiritism and Theosophy after Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines though.

[Anonymous No.16889731]

>>16886040
Desu this guy has been totally forgotten but he’s pretty relevant to Guenon and Evola and this whole concept of Tradition generally

[Anonymous No.16889754]

Literally no one on this board gives ANY good advice on either Guenon or Evola. I’ve yet to see a single good analysis of either of these two and the few who even read them just devolve into muh Islam muh paganism, which if you actually read these guys, you’d realize how fucking dumb that was. Just pick one and start reading and keep in mind that books don’t exist within a vacuum. Their ideas have backgrounds and change over time.

[Anonymous No.16889769]

>>16886220
Read Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy and Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy instead of Wikipedia.

[Anonymous No.16889865]

>>16886023
Can someone explain these fucks to me. I read some Spengler and see some genius in him as a Historian even though cyclical history seems a bit broad and absolutists despite not hivaing the evidence to prove its objectivesness in less than a vague way.

Is Evola and Guenon just self masturabatory nazi shit though, I really don't wanna waste my time when I could engage in less biased and more critical philosophers. I've engaged as much as I want to in nazi shit and think its cope for weak men who desperately want ti be powerful and significant by relying on some auspicious authority figure.
If I were a fascist I would just allign myself with the most socially conservative neoliberal because it's honestly pretty similar.

[Anonymous No.16889885]

>>16889731
He's better than Evola and Guenon in my opinion

[Anonymous No.16889904]

>>16889865
>Is Evola and Guenon just self masturabatory nazi shit though,
I don’t think Evola is. I’ve read quite a lot of him and I personally think he’s really misunderstood. The memes don’t do him justice and even the people who seriously read him, don’t read enough to have a really good analysis. I heard a single good one on a podcast once that’s since been deleted. You have to really read a lot of him and his background and his letters and his inspirations to get the full picture but I think he’s an important writer. Idk about Guenon and Spengler.

[Anonymous No.16889930]

>>16889865
>less biased and more critical philosophers
Imagine falling for le critic meme

[Anonymous No.16889960]

>>16886131
His brain was ascending to a higher realm the moment they took the picture.

[Anonymous No.16889969]

>>16889960

[Anonymous No.16889980]

>>16889865
>Is Evola and Guenon just self masturabatory nazi shit though
What I get from this is that you have read nothing from either of them and just want someone else to spoonfeed you information that you can just regurgitate so you can pretend you've read them to anons on a Vietnamese gardening forum. Disgusting brainlet.
>If I were a fascist I would just allign myself with the most socially conservative neoliberal because it's honestly pretty similar.
Yeah, you really are a brainlet. Jesus.

[Anonymous No.16890102]

>>16889904
Ok, I liked Spengler quite a bit, though I think his philosophy of history didnt carry well until today. Ive inly read decline of the west. I might give them a try when I have some time, I'm just skeptical because the people who champion seem to have shallow and monolithic worldviews, and I like to reflexice and open-minded.
>>16889980
I havent read either, i want to know if its just more nazi meme shit because I've engaged in nazi meme shit and its lacking for me.

Im not the first nor most educated to draw comparisons between Fascism and Neoliberalism. They're intrinsically similar ideologies.

[Anonymous No.16890128]

>>16890102
>Fascism and Neoliberalism are intrinsically similar ideologies

[Anonymous No.16890130]

>>16890102
>I havent read either, i want to know if its just more nazi meme shit because I've engaged in nazi meme shit and its lacking for me.
The fact that you're even thinking in these terms demonstrates your illiteracy, but no, just to reassure you, none of it is "nazi meme shit".
>Im not the first nor most educated to draw comparisons between Fascism and Neoliberalism. They're intrinsically similar ideologies.
No, you're just intrinsically retarded, just like everyone else drawing this comparison. Neoliberalism is more or less the polar opposite of fascism.

[Anonymous No.16890168]

>>16889865
Spengler isn't a proponent of cyclical history, he theorizes that there exist "worldspirits" that can be treated in an organic manner. They're born, live, age, and eventually ossify. These worldspirits are ways of seeing space and time. Faustian Man (the West post 900AD) sees space-time as a 3D grid of Fields (tl;dr space is infinitely divisible, every point in space has a huge list of properties such as its coordinates, temperature, etc) with a vector moving through it. Apollonian Man (Greeks/Romans), however, sees space-time as an empty featureless void inhabited by various discrete uniformly composed bodies moving in relation to each other. Spengler rejected Nazism, and was a critic of it.

Evola and Guenon are part of the "Traditionalist School", although in truth this isn't really a "school" and is just several people influenced by Theosophy and Blavatsky. In short, all world religions contain some kernel of Tradition (capital T). This primordial Tradition is the one true ur-religion from which all truth flows. Anything more than that depends upon the individual thinker in question. For Evola, Tradition is esoteric Solar Imperial Neopaganism. For Guenon, it's some weird dualistic Sufi-Advaita-Vedanta lovechild. Evola didn't like how focused on biology and history the Nazis were, and wanted them to be even more ESOTERIC and TRADICAL. For example, Evola believed that women were a separate species from men. Guenon would also reject Nazism as too focused on action and not being contemplative enough.

Spengler and Evola/Guenon are completely unrelated, in fact Spengler's system completely rejects the Traditionalist project as on its face absurd (and vice versa).

[Anonymous No.16890198]

>>16886023
I come across those evergreen tree nazi alt-right trad racist accounts on twitter sometimes who read Guenon, Evola, and Spengler and they are larping fucktards. If those are the types of people these writers produce then there is probably no intellectual worth in them.

[Anonymous No.16890200]

>>16890168
Spengler did not have the balls to sustain the radical claims of Evola and Guenon

[Anonymous No.16890218]

>>16890198
Because the people who read Marx are so much better right? Lol

[Anonymous No.16890230]

>>16890218
Yeah

[Anonymous No.16890290]

>>16890198
Wow, look, another libtard! Why has /lit/ become this reddit cesspool? If you were more curious and open-minded (and also not a monolingual brainlet) you'd know that there was a traditionalist named Elémire Zolla who severely condemned all forms of fascism and nazism and violent totalitarianism. Being a traditionalist does not necessarily imply a righ-wing position. Also, Guenon and Evola were infinitely more cultured than you ever will.

[Anonymous No.16890307]

>>16890218
Yes Marx and his readers have intellectual merit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmYFtpfdVn4

[Anonymous No.16890323]

>>16890290
/lit/ has always been left wing, guenon and co. have sparsely been posted pre-2016 (where discussions of him actually went somewhere) and seems like the bulk of people shilling him are election tourists from r/t_D

[Anonymous No.16890337]

>>16890323
Okay retard, I'm still certain that you will find more friends to discuss literature with on YouTube channels

[Anonymous No.16890364]

>>16890337
why would I when I have /lit/, you on the other hand might be the one having trouble finding a safespace for these alt-right schizos

[Anonymous No.16890376]

>>16890364
>alt-right
Keep being a retarded monolingual brainlet libtard homo

[Anonymous No.16890453]

>Keep being a retarded monolingual brainlet libtard homo

[Anonymous No.16890459]

>>16890453
OI VEY

[Anonymous No.16890477]

>>16890130
Ok bud.
>>16890168
Well damn, that sounds super interesting actually which is my only prerequisite for trying new lit. I'll probably check it out. I like reading things I'm opposed to, but I've just gotten tired of stuff like Himmler, Schmidt and Strasser and I figured these two beacuse of being championed by fascists must have been similar ideologues.

[Anonymous No.16890516]

>>16890453
You can post all the edgy memes you have in your ebin folder, but it won't change the fact that if you dismiss tradition as "alt-right larp" you are a retard whose brain has been raped by too much internet. Farewell, donkey.

[Anonymous No.16890518]

>>16886023
They are literally astrology tier

[Anonymous No.16890534]

>>16890477
>these two beacuse of being championed by fascists must have been similar ideologues
This is where you fuckers fail. You want to be open-minded but you're full of bias.

[Anonymous No.16890542]

>>16890518
>implying astrology isn't one of the highest forms of wisdom known to man

[Anonymous No.16890545]

>>16890516
>You can post all the edgy memes you have in your ebin folder, but it won't change the fact that if you dismiss tradition as "alt-right larp" you are a retard whose brain has been raped by too much internet. Farewell, donkey.

[Anonymous No.16890556]

>>16890542
>hates "modern women"
>thinks like an astrology larper girl that fetishes primitive culture as "muh ancient wisdom"

[Anonymous No.16890579]

>>16890556
astrology was once the domain of priests and magician-advisers to kings

it goes well beyond some thot crying about her Venus sign making it difficult to attract the right fuckboy

[Anonymous No.16890590]

>shilling for fucking astrology
so this is the power of traditionalist larping....

[Anonymous No.16890598]

>>16890579
Get back to me when you fulfill your destiny of becoming a Mesopotamian king, until then there is little that separates your larping and the larping of a 23 year old who is trying to find the correct day to make investments based on their birth chart.

[Anonymous No.16890605]

>>16890590
Truly the saviors of Evropa, a shame I can not be as based as them, VGH...

[Anonymous No.16890611]

>>16890598
>23 year old who is trying to find the correct day to make investments based on their birth chart.
Only faggots do that, why would you use a birth chart for investments anyway? You'd want to see what forces are active at a particular time overall to see what's favorable for material gain.

[Anonymous No.16890624]

pbuh

[Anonymous No.16890626]

>>16890611
>Only faggots do that, why would you use a birth chart for investments anyway? You'd want to see what forces are active at a particular time overall to see what's favorable for material gain.
I don't know shit about the specifics of astrology and how it's applied to certain situations as I am not a faggot

[Anonymous No.16890636]

>>16890626
>I don't know shit about the specifics of astrology
So stay in your lane and stick to videogames, champ

[Anonymous No.16890671]

>>16890636
>if you don't believe in my infantile shitty divination then you're a plebbit gaymer

[Anonymous No.16890679]

>>16890168
>Evola and Guenon are part of the "Traditionalist School", although in truth this isn't really a "school" and is just several people influenced by Theosophy and Blavatsky.
Please shut the fuck up... just shut up... please, god...

[Anonymous No.16890692]

>>16890671
videogames are cool, I like CoD

but worms like you just ramble without any clue of what you're talking about but want to act all puffed up, like Souls lorefags

[Anonymous No.16890695]

>>16889769
Nice, thanks.

[Anonymous No.16890699]

remember that beliefs are not just a bunch of stuff you HAPPEN to like the idea of

[Anonymous No.16890705]

>>16890692
Divination is the least worthwhile form of magic to study

[Anonymous No.16890725]

>>16890705
True astrology goes beyond petty divination, it's observance of cosmic forces and their effects as they play out in context of this solar system, from planetary conditions to the lives of individuals

implied within astrology is quite literally the blueprint of creation, and even a fast-track to actualization, provided say you use your birth chart for more than ego masturbation

[Anonymous No.16890739]

>>16890725
>True astrology goes beyond petty divination, it's observance of cosmic forces and their effects as they play out in context of this solar system, from planetary conditions to the lives of individuals
Homie that's just divination, go read Chumbley and get back to me when you've moved beyond tea leaf reading tier shit.

[Anonymous No.16890754]

>>16890739
dont give a fuck about chumbley

if for all your reading you can't grasp how certain forces wax and wain at particular times, and how that their absence or saturation can be a platform for potent action (ie ritual, occult meditations, etc), and how astrology is a perfect model for these observances, you got no business telling me shit

[Anonymous No.16890774]

>>16886023
HOLY FUCK THIS THREAD IS CANCER. FUCK ALL OF YOU FOR RUINING A GREAT WRITER. JUST READ THE REIGN OF QUANTITY YOU ABSOLUTE NIGGERS

[Anonymous No.16890775]

>>16890754
>and how astrology is a perfect model for these observances
See this is where your art of star divination falls apart, because it is not a perfect model in the slightest, all vlaue given to the heavenly bodies and their positions changes vastly between accounts and certain accounts are mishmashed versions of one culture's charts given a new coat of paint without organically developing their ideas. The tradition as a whole is a mess, it falls into petty divination by design.

[Anonymous No.16890803]

>>16890775
> all vlaue given to the heavenly bodies and their positions changes vastly between accounts and certain accounts are mishmashed versions of one culture's charts given a new coat of paint without organically developing their ideas.
So I take it you're not in the business of consciously approaching these forces yourself to recognize them in life, as opposed to just fumbling over theory.

I'll leave you to it.

[Anonymous No.16890819]

>>16890803
>So I take it you're not in the business of consciously approaching these forces yourself to recognize them in life, as opposed to just fumbling over theory.
Bad theory leads to incorrect application.
>I'll leave you to it.
I genuinely think you are well read but astrology won't do you any good, I'd suggest reading The Alchemy Key by Stuart Nettleton to understand Alchemical logic.

[Anonymous No.16890846]

>>16890679
>i have never read anything by guenon or evola
Both cite Blavatsky and Theosophy heavily. Guenon was a freemason. Both ended up disagreeing with Blavatsky and Theosophy, but still credited them for their impact they had on them. This also gets into the fact that there actually is a difference between Perennialists and Traditionalists (the former want to CREATE and SPREAD the one true religion, the latter think it used to existed and want to bring it back and then spread it).

>>16890200
In some ways. In others, Spengler is FAR more radical than Evola and Guenon.

>>16890477
Spengler (and, frankly, Evola and Guenon) will be a breath of fresh air if you're reading actual NatSoc thinkers. Evola definitely cranks the whole "Far Right Wizard living in catacombs" thing up to eleven, but it's none the less pretty fucking fun (when he was in Mussolini's court, half of the Fascist party wanted to kill him, thinking him a sorcerer, and the other half were afraid to kill him as they didn't know if you could successfully kill a sorcerer). Spengler actually sided with the German Conservatives (of the "monarchy" variety), and actually rejects Western Essentialism and Exceptionalism, so if you're sick of /pol/ he can actually be pretty interesting. He comes to a lot of Right Wing stuff through an alternate path, which is interesting to see.

[Anonymous No.16890877]

>>16890534
Stfu bitch as if you've read anything other than online shitposts

[Anonymous No.16890909]

>>16890846
>Both cite Blavatsky and Theosophy heavily.
Both of them literally had nothing but burning hatred for Blavatsky and Theosophy you absolute fucking jester. The term "Counter-Tradition" was literally INVENTED to describe Theosophy. Fuck's sake. Guenon was a freemason, yes, but only because he thought that Masonry was a legitimate - if extremely degenerated - initiatic organisation that could be restored.
>This also gets into the fact that there actually is a difference between Perennialists and Traditionalists (the former want to CREATE and SPREAD the one true religion, the latter think it used to existed and want to bring it back and then spread it).
This isn't what Traditionalism is at all. Tradition isn't a "one true religion". It is the source of all religion and all genuine spirituality.
Don't talk about shit you haven't read, it's fucking disgusting.

[Anonymous No.16891384]

>>16886023
Both are very different, Spengler and Evola's lines of though are extremely different. Spengler attempts to like Vico create a system of history which explains everything and predicts the future. This does not touch at all into what ought to be but only what is and what will be. Guenon and Evola are all about what ought and their ideas of Tradition are about that. Evola sorta (not really) makes a system in which explains the past events but only in so far as how things ought be, it is not at all concerned about how things will be and really doesn't explain the past but shows how his ideas of paternalism work.

>>16886980
>>16887028
Also as you can see most people like one hates the other. Which makes sense considering Evola and Spengler's systems butt heads and their outlooks are extremely different.

>>16889865
>though cyclical history
Spengler is not a cyclical theorist its organic, meaning it comes to birth, grows, decays, dies and ceases to be or becomes a petrified shell of itself. Cyclical history has rebirth included, which for Spengler when a world outlook of a high culture is gone, its gone for good and will never return and nothing really need take its place due to the randomness of how high cultures are birthed.
>not hivaing the evidence to prove its objectivesness in less than a vague way.
This stems from his German idealism and epistemology which follows its ontological outlook. That being, we can never understand reality objectively (read Kant for why). This allows for systems which need to be thought statistically, if its worth anything Spengler's predictions should be coming true (which they are) but its not objectively right, even if its a very powerful theory.
>masturabatory nazi shit
I dislike both Evola and Guenon but its not that bad. Evola is just a bad metaphysician.

[Anonymous No.16891391]

If you are interested in tradition, forget about the yoga larpers and pick up a breviary

[Anonymous No.16891407]

>>16890307
They literally don’t. Just because a handful of them are able to swim around within the paradigm that they created, doesn’t mean they have “intellectual merit” and you know as well as I do that the average fan of Marx or whoever really is just as big of a brainlet as anyone.

[Anonymous No.16891418]

Chud posters ruined this board worse than /pol/ ever could.

[Anonymous No.16891425]

>>16891418
As long as it isn't retards like Evola, Yockey, or Gentile it's not that bad

[Anonymous No.16891443]

>>16891407
"the average fan of Marx" hasn't even read Marx. 1/1000000 self proclaimed marxists have read all 3 volumes of capital (and 0 rightists have read anything by him). I am talking about his readers, not his "fans," who do indeed have intellectual merit

[Anonymous No.16891493]

>>16891425
You’re literally exhibit A you absolute retard

[Anonymous No.16891503]

>>16891493
Why tho

[Anonymous No.16891511]

>>16891443
No they don’t. They play linguistic games within an arena that they invented and you’re dumb enough to believe that’s “intellectual merit”. Many more them play the academician intellectual card until they inevitably devolve into nonsensical schizo-babble. This happens over and over and you just conveniently ignore it because “intellectual merit”. You see what you want to see and only what you want to see, you see.

[Anonymous No.16891525]

>>16891503
Because you prevent any actual discussion from occurring and make everything devolve into shitposting meme-posting faggotry over and over. It makes an already bad board almost unusable.

[Anonymous No.16891544]

>>16891525
I just said that certain authors are particularly bad and that when other authors like Guenon or Schuon are discussed more interesting topics are discussed. With fascist writers it gets bogged down in the very memery you speak of. Dunno what I said that made you think that I want that.

[Anonymous No.16891907]

>>16890909
>okay so you're right but i don't like it :(
You can be influenced by someone you disagree with. Source: Spengler and Guenon. Since you've read nothing by them, I'll help you out: a lot of people recommend starting Evola with Revolt Against the Modern World, so that'd be a good place for you to begin. I liked Bow and Club, it's fun. For Guenon, start with Reign of Quantity.

>>16891418
>i'm an oldfag, i've been here all summer!
lol

[Anonymous No.16891913]

>>16891907
evola* and guenon, excuse me.

[Anonymous No.16893346]

>>16890774
This thread is good.

[Anonymous No.16893360]

>>16890774
>if you talk and joke about someone it ruins them
please do not imply monsieur René was so fragile

[Anonymous No.16894033]

Non-Hindu brainlet here. Can somebody explain to me why Guenon apparently 'hated' Vivekananda or where he wrote about him specifically?

[Anonymous No.16894421]

>>16891907
Theosophy and Traditionalism share nothing in common, you infuriatingly stupid troglodyte. The Traditionalists were only "influenced" by Theosophy to the extent that it provoked immediate existential disgust. They certainly did not "cite" anything by Blavatsky - they wrote ruthless polemics against Theosophy and everything associated with it. You have read nothing by the Traditionalists and if you have, then you have understood nothing or even worse, have misunderstood them entirely.

[Anonymous No.16894572]

>>16894033
He has a chapter attacking Vivekenanda in Guenon's first book, in Guenon's view he promoted a degenerated version of Indian doctrines which mixed them up too much with western philosophy and modern anti-traditional attitudes/presuppositons

[Anonymous No.16894672]

Does anyone know if either Guenon or Evola did any serious inquiry into Christian Orthodoxy? I’ve read a lot of the two and the only thing I could find was was an article that Evola wrote for the Theological Society of Rome where he briefly discussed the mystical traditions of Christianity and only mentioned the schism and Orthodoxy. They only seem to have discussed Roman Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.16894690]

>>16891544
The people who react to the “fascist writers” whether with chudjacking or whatever just show how much they lack nuance at all to even insinuate that’s what they are and they’re stupid responses like >>16886046
>>16886131
>>16886976
>>16890453
>>16890545
Just prevent any discussion from happening whatsoever. They’re a cancer to this board and the site at large, way worse than the /pol/ cancer that they’re reacting to ever was.

[Anonymous No.16895005]

>>16894672
I am not aware of any writings Guenon has done about Orthodoxy. I saw Evola discuss it briefly - though I don't remember where. He seems to have consider it, but IMO only briefly. His conclusion was that even Eastern Orthodoxy can not serve as a basis for initiatic reintegration because "what is initiatic in Orthodoxy is not Christian and what is Christian is not initiatic".

[Anonymous No.16895755]

>>16895005
I would like to find the source on that because that sounds very contrary to what I read in his theological society columns.

[Anonymous No.16895822]

What you need is purity of heart.
Otherwise you will just fill your head with jargon and names for symbols.
What matters is your intent. Strike at the heart of the matter and set your sights high.

[Anonymous No.16897198]

>>16895822
Cringe