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Is this going to be considered a classic in 100 years?

>> No.16889654
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>> No.16889810

If you arent a postmodernist or a post-postmodernist you cant be a classic in this era.

>> No.16890125

>>16889810
>t. schizo

>> No.16890136

>>16889654
So it was a classic in 1920, over 60 years before it was published? McCarthy really is the greatest American author.

>> No.16891466

without a doubt

>> No.16891500

>>16889624
without a doubt imo. it won't even have any political issues since it's deeply anti-racist.

>> No.16891510

>>16889810
>watches le lobster man xDDD

>> No.16892176

>>16889624
It already is.

>> No.16892194

>>16891500
Who knows, that might actually be a political issue

>> No.16892335

>>16892194
based

>> No.16892979

>>16891500
how so

>> No.16893019

Can someone go into detail about what it’s about without spoiling it? I’ve been looking at this for a while but it never really grabbed my attention desu

>> No.16893022

>>16892194
We can only hope
>>16893019
It's about violence.

>> No.16893030

>>16892176
Lol, only on reddit

>> No.16893044

>>16893019
orphan teenager joins a ragtag group of blood thirsty cowboys riding through mexico drowning puppies and killing old people

>> No.16893056

>>16893044
>>16893022
based, sounds worth the read

>> No.16893067

>>16893030
No, it's definitely considered one of the best of the 20th century. If you think it's only on reddit that that's the case that probably only says you spend too much time on reddit.

>> No.16893085

>>16889624
Definitely not

>> No.16893092

>>16893067
>it's definitely considered one of the best of the 20th century
That’s a bit much

>> No.16893127

>>16889624
Definitely not. Nobody cares about this book beyond male mid-20s midwits who have never touched a firearm in their life but deeply yearn to do so.

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>>16893127

>> No.16893185

>>16893127
Actually I just have wanderlust.

>> No.16893235

>>16889624

Maybe in Burgers.
But I doubt it will be a worldwide classic. like Hamlet, Don Quixote, Faust, Anna Karenina.

>> No.16893242

>>16893235
I wonder how many languages it's been translated to.

>> No.16893320

>>16893092
It's true though.

>> No.16893351

>>16893235
It has a lot of resonance in Australia. Our blood meridian is just sitting waiting to be written I think. As for the rest of the world it's still a striking embodiment of the west to a lot of readers. An iranian cabbie I had the other day bought it up out of the blue which was one of those small thrills you can't seek but find you out.

>> No.16893362

>>16889624
Wheras ut should be, it won't because Euros are literally incapable of understanding American literature

>> No.16893575

i reread it again and the scene where the delawares smash the babies against rocks might be the most brutal scene in literature
>>16891500
i think it's indifferent. the judge isn't said to be a bad guy.

>> No.16893584

>>16893030
Found the redditor. Seriously, its hard to find academics that don't already suck this off.

>> No.16893650

>>16891500
>>16893575
This. I don't think it's against racism at all. What I got is that it doesn't really matter, they're gonna kill each other anyways

>> No.16893665

>>16893127
Yeah.
t. 22 male who wants to kill

>> No.16893674

>>16893650
i wouldn't go that far. the townsfolk write "mejor los indios" which means they would rather have ethnic people killing each other than white colonists committing genocide.
ultimately i guess i would have to ask anon's definition of racism.

>> No.16893679

>>16893235
Yeah, because its perfectly logical to make the claim now when its out for a grand 35 years!

>> No.16893695

>>16889624
historical fiction can't be classics

>> No.16893789

>>16889624
Likely yes, illiteracy is spreading so McCarthy will be praised as the first illiterate moron to make career as a writer.

>> No.16893796

>>16893362
American literature is easy. Especially McCarthy.

>> No.16893798

>>16893695
War & Peace is definitely a classic and definitely historical fiction.

>> No.16893801
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>>16889624
Can we just all agree that Suttree is the superior novel?

>> No.16893802

>>16893796
What's hard about euro lit?

>> No.16893804

>>16893695
Anon... judge isn't real.

>> No.16893805

>>16893802
Ask Americans who are incapable of reading Céline after his first 2 novels.

>> No.16893808

>>16893801
You don't understand. We can't talk about books that don't generate controversy man! We will become like them! Like the R-word

>> No.16893811

>>16893805
Nobody should be forced to read a racist nazi.

>> No.16893817

>>16893811
Or worse, a Frenchman

>> No.16893820

>>16893092
No, it was often used alongside Lolita and the like as some of the best work to come out of the US last century

>> No.16893822

>>16893665
kek

>> No.16893860

>>16893811
Kill yourself.

>> No.16893873

>>16893811
why?

>> No.16893877

>>16893873
The Holocaust

>> No.16893892

>>16893877
what about it?

>> No.16893921

>>16893892
Genocide

>> No.16893923

>>16893921
and?

>> No.16893926

>>16893923
Jews

>> No.16893934

>>16893926
what about them?

>> No.16893938

>>16893934
On the floor

>> No.16893946

>>16893938
and?

>> No.16893952

>>16893946
and everybody did the dinosaur.

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>>16893952

>> No.16894406

>>16889624
Who gives a shit? It was a great read and it made me a better man.

>> No.16894798

>>16889624
it's already considered a classic

>> No.16894839

>>16893092
Actually its not, even Bloom considers it one of the greatest (if not ~the greatest~) American novels of all time

>> No.16894844

Charlie McCarthy is a dweeb obsessed with violence because he never experienced it.

>> No.16894857

>>16894844
>Charlie
wut

>> No.16894932

>>16893235
I'm from Brazil and I love it.

>> No.16894952

>>16893235
I know for a fact that a lot of McCarthy's works have been translated into Chinese, and The Road and Blood Meridian were popular to have multiple Chinese editions and multiple printings.

>> No.16895304

>>16893674
The group is composed of some (Delaware) Indians, some Mexicans, some whites, and a black. The message “mejor los indios” had no racial context, it was practical. They preferred marauding bands of Apache that would sometimes attack travelers outside of chihuahua city to the group of bandits who overstayed their welcome in the city drinking, fighting, stealing, and generally fucking everything up

>> No.16895326

>>16889624
>>16891500
>it won't even have any political issues
>written by white male
nobody will know this exists in 100 years

>> No.16895610

>>16895304
the party is operated by Glanton and the judge, regardless of a few token hired hands. not to mention by that point Glanton had scalped all of the Mexicans in his own party.
"mejor los indios" was "practical" because Glanton's party of Americans did much more damage than the Apaches ever could.

but i don't really care if blood meridian is anti-racist or not desu

>> No.16895656

>>16894839
>Bloom
Newfag. Nobody takes Bloom seriously

>> No.16895661

>>16894952
I even heard that a malyalam (a regional language in India) translation was being made.

>> No.16895683

>>16895656
in what circles do you participate, anon?

>> No.16895710

>>16895656
good

>> No.16895724

>>16889624
i didn't really like it, same with moby dick

>> No.16895737

>>16895724
filtered

>> No.16895742

>>16895737
nope.

>> No.16895745

>>16893092
Not at all. It's a grand achievement.

>> No.16895748

>>16894857
That's his real name, he changed it to Cormac because he couldn't cope

>> No.16895757

>>16895742
Yep.

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>>16895757
nuh uh

>> No.16895778

>>16895748
kek

>> No.16895999

>>16895778
His real name is Charles james McCarthy jr. Cormac is the irish translation of Charles. Yes, Corncob is Irish.

>> No.16896006

>>16895683
I am not kidding. No dedicated scholar takes Bloom seriously. He is not even revered in Shakespeare criticism, his area of expertise.

>> No.16896027

>>16893650
racism is consistently portrayed as an ugly reality, even the narrator says nigger to remind you how pervasive it was, the manifest destiny theme is hard to miss, etc

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So what is his best work?

>> No.16896047

>>16896006
>He is not even revered in Shakespeare criticism, his area of expertise
his book ("the invention of the human" or whatever its called) is really surface level and boring

>> No.16896298

>>16896046
The Crossing

>> No.16896698

>>16896006
can you give an example of this? i apologize for asking you to prove a negative, but surely someone's said something, somewhere

>> No.16896847

>>16891510
shit has gotten to the point where something this specific could be reffering to either DFW or jordan peterson

>> No.16896938

I thought it was kinda boring. Not many scenes where something happened, just a lot of talking

>> No.16896978

it's just a meek postmodern rehash of Melville and Faulkner. McCarthy will in time be comparable to Hemingway: a manly stylist far behind his contemporaries.

>> No.16897011

>>16893056
It fucking is

>> No.16897039

>>16896938
>lot of talking
Lol
>>16896978
>postmodern
Lol

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>>16896978
>postmodern
Uh

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>>16896938
>a lot of talking

>> No.16897437

>>16897045
>>16897039
Literally the only thing McCarthy lacks to be an obviously postmodern author is wacky textual gimmicks which are secondary anyway.

>> No.16897464

>>16893665
Underrated post

>> No.16897831

>>16893665
>>16897464
Based

>> No.16897889

>>16893127
I'll have you know I'm experienced with firearms just a terrible fucking shot

>> No.16898300

>>16896978
Hemingway is better than faulkner

>> No.16898320

>>16893351
>An iranian cabbie I had the other day bought it up out of the blue which was one of those small thrills you can't seek but find you out.
the best conversations I've ever had in my life has been with cabbies. god bless them

>> No.16898333

>>16893235
American hands wrote this post

>> No.16898338

There is a very high chance that the classic works we know today will be altered to an unrecognizable state in 100 years.

>> No.16898367

>>16898338
This

>> No.16898700

>>16898338
Sadly true. People will always rewrite history when it suits them

>> No.16898745

>>16898338
this is why you buy physical books

>> No.16899059

>>16893019
Kid ends up with a caravan of lunatic scalp hunters who generally fuck everything up and die

>> No.16899095

>>16896978
Incredibly based

>> No.16899122

>>16896006
He wrote the funny thing about Harry Potter though, so he's the only literary critic I give a shit about even slightly

>> No.16899327

>>16889624
If the movie is out by then, yes

>> No.16899512

>>16893092
Honestly the only people who say this shit are people who don’t read much and give bonus points to anything with ebin random acts of violence.
Sort of like how twelve years ago the same group of people began insisting batman comics were high art now because they were “dark and gritty”

>>16893820
>alongside lolita
No

>> No.16899718

If I've learned anything, it's that /lit/ is comprised of tastelets. The great raid of basedboys in 2012 has made this place close to /mu/ and /fa/ levels of cringe. I'm glad this place has been forced to become more right wing and the cringe is being expelled.

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Is this book full of white guilt shit? I've been listening to american history lectures and I'm sick of hearing about "muh diseased blankets muh genociderino muh noble savages" ad nauseum.

>> No.16899899

>>16899860
Not exactly. Everyone looks pretty bad in this book

>> No.16899911

>>16896698
>James Wood described Bloom as "Vatic, repetitious, imprecisely reverential, though never without a peculiar charm of his own—a kind of campiness, in fact—Bloom as a literary critic in the last few years has been largely unimportant."
This was in the 90s. There was this anon who posted a link sometime ago on Bloom criticism.
For a literary critic of such influence in America, his award collection is largely non-existent.

>> No.16899922

>>16899911
A lack of respect from "scholarly" individuals and a lack of awards are two things I don't particularly regard, in any field, to be honest

>> No.16899923

>>16897162
Not this fraud please. What even is the point?

>> No.16899935

>>16899122
I am sure lots of critics have written shit about Harry Potter.

>> No.16899977

>>16899922
That might be true for an artist but Bloom was firmly one of these "scholars". He only got popular on this board because he picked up the shovel against the liberal sweep in criticism and was heard while shouting about it. He was a good aesthete in that he had good sense of style in books, but past that he is unreliable and iffy with a penchant for not backing his polemic claims. It wasn't like the entire industry was against him, infact he had more friendly connections in the industry than any of his contemporaries.

>> No.16900980

>>16899923
He is based.

>> No.16900988

>>16889810
Cringe

>> No.16901018

>>16889810
All the contemporary classics of literature are high modern realism though.

>> No.16901055

>>16892194
It's been a political issue forever at this point.