/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17160379]

Has anyone read this tranny book? This review makes it look interesting (I am not a shill, I do hate trannies though)
https://shenviapologetics.com/affirming-ourselves-to-death-a-review-of-shriers-irreversible-damage/

>“I want you to know that it’s okay to walk away from unsupportive or disrespectful or even abusive parents…I want to give you hope that you can find what we call your ‘glitter family,’ your ‘queer family.’ We are out there, and the relationships that we make in our glitter families are just as real, just as meaningful as our blood families” (p. 51).
>“Deceiving parents and doctors is justified if it helps transition” (p. 52)
>“If your parents loved you, they would support your trans identity.” (p. 49)

This shit operates like a cult. How did it take this long for someone to write this book? It seems like all the information is lying around in the open, and the interpretation (that it's a cult) is the most obvious one. Wasn't there another book on the tranny phenomenon too lately? Does anyone remember the title?

[Anonymous No.17160407]

Also I know there are some TERFs here, any good/classic terf books on trannies?

[Anonymous No.17160461]

>>17160407
Janice Raymond’s Transsexual Empire and Sheila Jeffreys’ Gender Hurts: A Feminist Analysis of the Politics of Transgenderism. The latter is principally about lesbian erasure but it’s very good in any case.

[Anonymous No.17160481]

>>17160379
It's not about really about trannies. It's about hysteria in teenage girls. There are trannies in there which she accepts as real trannies, because they didn't do it from a sudden fashion craze and didn't do it with as much teenage peer pressure, so it won't deal with what you see as the tranny phenomenon most likely. It will, however, give you a glimpse of something much worse: teenage girls now get more hormones and surgery than any other group, with exponentially more of them getting medical interventions for being trans than ALL other trannies combined. It's a much more recent phenomenon which is riding on the back of what you probably consider the general tranny phenomenon. It does the cult like aspects well, but they're also common to most teenage hysterias (pro-ana cults, pop star cults, etc).
The author said she only wrote it because of the really sudden onset of teenage girls confessing to be trannies at rates that were never present in women of any age group now or before. It's a much easier target than broader tranny phenomena, because it's basically only since 2015 it took off, and because they are getting so much more treatment than all other ages and genders of trannies.

[Anonymous No.17160504]

>>17160461
Shrier's book also covers lesbian erasure. At one point one of the teenagers she's interviewing knows a lot of tranny ftms at her school, but says that being a lesbian is kind of a dirty word. She's quick to point out some are probably lesbians trying to hide an uncool status, but most are probably just teenage girls on a bandwagon.

[Anonymous No.17160537]

It's not really Terfy unless you consider being against letting children take puberty blockers terfy
The author became friends with Buck Angel through writing it
There aren't very many direct polemics against transgenderism unless you want to read something by a Christian
Well, the first couple of Juvenal's have rants against traps but that's about it really

[Anonymous No.17160577]

>>17160481
Isn't it a natural extension of Shrier's thesis that the wider tranny phenomenon, and probably a lot of other trendy "causes" that are really damaging self-indulgent nonsense, are caused by female hysteria and groupthink? Not teen hysteria and groupthink, just typical woman behaviors. They are the biggest mouthpieces for status quoism, but also treacly bourgeois fashionable progressivism.

[Anonymous No.17160620]

>>17160379
>I want to give you hope that you can find what we call your ‘glitter family,’
Why do they have to be so god damn fucking gay

[Anonymous No.17160640]

>>17160481
>: teenage girls now get more hormones and surgery than any other group, with exponentially more of them getting medical interventions for being trans than ALL other trannies combined
That's rather shocking

[Anonymous No.17160663]

why are you so angry against transgender people? is it because they arouse you?

[Anonymous No.17160674]

>>17160663
Your brain would have to be hopelessly broken to think a transsexual of any kind could be attractive in any sense. We should put you out of your misery.

[Anonymous No.17160687]

>>17160663
Why come to /lit/ if you don't read?

[Anonymous No.17160756]

>>17160663
this, the only reason people get mad at trans people is because they're ashamed of wanting to fuck them. Alex Jones got caught watching trans porn and lots of conservative pundits find themselves in gay sex scandals. It really is clockwork. The same people who are in this thread talking about how they hate trannies are going to go jack off to some trap or trans porn right after they're done with this thread.

[Anonymous No.17160769]

>>17160756
I wonder what kind of childhood trauma it takes for people to get so confused as to mistake repulsion for arousal. Regardless, the solution is a summary execution.

[Anonymous No.17160770]

>>17160756
>>17160663
You will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.17160795]

>>17160769
No one is mistaking repulsion for arousal. Those who can't cope with their feelings of arousal feign repulsion.
>>17160770
I am not trans

[Anonymous No.17160802]

>>17160795
Yeah, that's you mistaking it right there. We should slit your throat like how moslems kill goats.

[Anonymous No.17160823]

>>17160795
I'm sorry, but you will never be a woman.

[Anonymous No.17160824]

>>17160756

Most people dislike trannies people they instinctively find them repulsive. Same reason why people hate burn victims or people born without legs or very tiny heads that can't support a fully developed brain, etc etc. This is coming from the perspective of somebody who is sensitive to disgust, trannies literally look like deformed mutants at least 95% of the time. They don't even look androgynous and certainly not like women.

[Anonymous No.17160826]

>>17160577
>the wider tranny phenomenon, and probably a lot of other trendy "causes" that are really damaging self-indulgent nonsense, are caused by female hysteria and groupthink
Not really. She thinks the historical rates should maintain, and that would mean trannies were more usually a male phenomenon. She thinks the current teenage girl phenomenon is hysteria, but it doesn't expand to all women. Part of her case for it being historically a pretty static number of trannies and the current trend being a teenage phenomenon is that women in general are not doing it, but women under the age of 25. She points out that if it were just females being ignored by history, older women should be coming out as trans at near equal rates to the teenagers. Teenage females however are not just the majority of female trannies, but of ALL trannies.
The best argument you could make is that since the teenage girls now dominate the group, that it's women's behaviour. But that doesn't explain the rest of the trannies.
She mentions mtf trannies are disturbed at the new trend, but a lot of the popularisation these girls are latching on to was done with mtf trannies. The female hysteria about it is an addition to the trend, but males were historically bigger trannies in her account.
She doesn't lay the blame solely on female teenagers being hysterical, because she includes social media and trans activists/schools in her explanation of the phenomenon, but it would be really hard to make the argument that she believes it was a majority female phenomenon before 2015, since it wasn't.
>>17160640
It's fucking insane the stats she has in the book.

[Anonymous No.17160832]

>>17160802
You should go fuck a trap or trans woman to blow off some steam

[Anonymous No.17160850]

>>17160826
What are the total rates at now for their demographic? Must still be low as a percentage

[Anonymous No.17160855]

It's a pretty pointless book.
All the points brought up won't be surprising to anyone who's been paying attention (did you know trans influencers tend not to talk about the negative aspects of transitioning?)
At the same time she uses language that would cause any pro-trans readers to dismiss it immediately, like referring to surgery as mutilation.
The only thing novel about it is that an openly anti-trans book managed to get published at all.

[Anonymous No.17160858]

>>17160826
I don't think women would be the trannies themselves (which is why her findings about teen girls are so interesting), I'm just saying that women's natural groupthink and proneness to cults and in-group moral-policing behaviors was one of the major ways in which tranny bullshit found acceptance in the mainstream. Granted the original trannies are just gay men and tranvestitism fetishists, but they would have stayed in their normal spaces if faux progressive women hadn't seized on the opportunity to grandstand by championing the rights of freaks.

>>17160832
You'll never be a woman

[Anonymous No.17160862]

>>17160824
>Same reason why people hate burn victims or people born without legs or very tiny heads that can't support a fully developed brain, etc etc
Because they're retards with zero empathy? Is that why you hate trans people?

[Anonymous No.17160868]

Just read transgender industrial complex. Any trans critical book that fails to mention Jewish influence is not worth the paper it's printed on.

[Anonymous No.17160872]

>>17160824
>Same reason why people hate burn victims or people born without legs or very tiny heads that can't support a fully developed brain, etc etc.
>This is coming from the perspective of somebody who is sensitive to disgust
Source? Who actually hates disabled people. How can you be so weak that seeing someone who has a disability makes you feel disgust?
>>17160858
>You'll never be a woman
cope

[Anonymous No.17160873]

>>17160855
Are you subscribed to trannies on Instagram or smth?

[Anonymous No.17160874]

>>17160862

Well accidents and deformities usually do not have a psychic origins but transexuality does.

[Anonymous No.17160886]

>>17160872
We should excavate your brain with a jackhammer

[Anonymous No.17160892]

>>17160868
Is that book actually good or is it E Michael Jones tier shit where its heart is in the right place but it's incompetent and sloppily edited?

[Anonymous No.17160903]

>>17160886
cope

[Anonymous No.17160910]

>>17160874
So you're justified in hating people just because they have mental problems?

[Anonymous No.17160916]

>>17160910

[Anonymous No.17160922]

>>17160850
Rates of which demo and against what? I plucked out my copy and page 26 starts
>... Between 2016 and 2017 the number of gender surgeries for natal females in the US quadrupled, with biological women suddenly accounting for—as we have seen— 70 percent of all gender surgeries. In 2018, the UK reported a 4,400 percent rise over the previous decade in teenage girls seeking gender treatments.

[Anonymous No.17160954]

>>17160892
It's a great resource, though a bit of a tedious read at points. Large portions of the book are autisticly detailed lists of exactly what people and organizations funded the fag agenda and are now funding tranny shit.

[Anonymous No.17160963]

>>17160922
>But dude, trannies are not culty at all, it never happens. What do you mean it struck the most vulnerable group to such allures like a hydrogen bomb?
This is not directed at you person who actually read the book
I'm just whining
>>17160910
If trannies were like faggots and kept it to themselves with the occasional showoff and the occasional pedophile, it wouldn't be a problem
These people actively harm their fellow man by tricking vulnerable minors into joining their hormonal cult

[Anonymous No.17160975]

>>17160858
>I'm just saying that women's natural groupthink and proneness to cults and in-group moral-policing behaviors was one of the major ways in which tranny bullshit found acceptance in the mainstream. Granted the original trannies are just gay men and tranvestitism fetishists, but they would have stayed in their normal spaces if faux progressive women hadn't seized on the opportunity to grandstand by championing the rights of freaks.
Oh I see. She does somewhat deal with this but obliquely. Since part of being a teenager is rebellion, she thinks the parents generally being liberal is part of the cause. If getting your bellybutton pierced gets a "You go, girl!" from your mom as a teenager, you're going to have to try something more extreme to get your mom to freak and disown you, is part of thinking on the matter she expresses. The book also underlines how many are from liberal and supportive families who are scared shitless they will also lose their friends and jobs if they don't go along with it, and how, instead of what used happen where families would cut off trans kids as demon spawn, now families get cut off by their kids who still expect them to pay rent and surgery costs.
>>17160963
>This is not directed at you person who actually read the book
>I'm just whining
Oh good, I thought you might be having a stroke.

[Anonymous No.17160978]

>>17160910

Goodness attracts, badness repels. This is the metaphysic of your own mind. I understand you more than you do LOL

[Anonymous No.17160991]

>>17160922
the rates of transgender identity and surgery for teenage girls

[Anonymous No.17161010]

So, in short, the conclusion of the book is that if I ever have a daughter I need to keep a sharp eye out for whatever the Cult of the Age is? (on top of getting cucked by her future husband)

[Anonymous No.17161031]

>>17160963
>If trannies were like faggots and kept it to themselves with the occasional showoff and the occasional pedophile, it wouldn't be a problem
What world are you living where gay people keep to themselves? Trans people don't call people to join them in being trans. That was the same argument that people used to make against homosexuals; people believed that they were going to indoctrinate the youth. You are afraid that there are people who you don't understand.
>>17160978
>Goodness attracts, badness repels
>I understand you more than you do LOL
People can be attracted to bad things. What is good and what is bad? This is the most reductive view of attraction and disgust imaginable you pseud.

[Anonymous No.17161044]

>>17161031
>Trans people don't call people to join them in being trans.
The entire point of this book is that you're wrong about this.

[Anonymous No.17161048]

>>17160991
Overall, or the rates of increase I gave you? I'd say Google is your friend for the overall raw numbers.

[Anonymous No.17161066]

>>17161044
The point of the book is that more people are becoming transgender. Trans people do not actively ask cisgender people to also become trans.

[Anonymous No.17161069]

>>17161066
You have not read the book.

[Anonymous No.17161075]

>>17161069
You cannot read.

[Anonymous No.17161078]

>>17161031
>Trans people don't call people to join them in being trans.

In what world are you living?

[Anonymous No.17161080]

>>17161048
Does the book really not mention the actual rate itself? Seems like a rather giant oversight, being literally the most relevant statistic and easiest one to get

[Anonymous No.17161087]

>>17161075
>no u
Seriously, why are you making arguments about a book you haven't read?

[Anonymous No.17161096]

>>17161080
It might, but I'm not your unpaid research assistant. You can read it if you want the slow path, or Google it if you think it will get your answer quicker. I'm not trawling the index because you're somewhat curious; you can do that yourself.

[Anonymous No.17161100]

>>17161087
read >>17161080
read >>17161096 cope as well

[Anonymous No.17161115]

>>17161100
I have no idea what you're trying to say with this post. Take a breath, release your roid rage, and try again with words this time.

[Anonymous No.17161126]

>>17161010
>if I ever have a daughter I need to keep a sharp eye out for whatever the Cult of the Age is?
This is just common sense

[Anonymous No.17161128]

>>17161115
>I have no idea what you're trying to say with this post.
Tragic, it's quite simple.

[Anonymous No.17161139]

>>17161100
I don't know what you're trying to say to either me >>17161096 or the anon I'm talking to at >>17161080. But judging by >>17161128 it seems you just want someone to pay attention to you. Have a (You).

[Anonymous No.17161156]

>>17161096
I just thought you would already know the answer since you know much mroe specific stats than that
I found this
>This trend seems to confirm the results of the 2019 Census Test, given that among people under 35 years, the proportion of transgender men is 33% higher than the proportion of transgender women (0.20% versus 0.15%) whereas the ratio is nearly 50/50 among people over 35 years (0.12% versus 0.11%).
doesn't specifiy teenagers though

[Anonymous No.17161226]

Transgenderism is a natural result of technocapitalism. In an age where beauty can be so easily and rapidly commodified and manipulated, the ideal man and ideal woman (their appearance, behavior, and lifestyle) are more alienated than ever from the average citizen. What results is a mass migration out of this hellish plastic binary and into the protean, amoebic flux of gender nonconformity (including transgenders). I find it amusing that the people most vocally interested in upholding "traditional" norms of beauty, upper-middle-class conservatives, are precisely the ones feeding the transgender machine by doubling down on this unobtainable ur-femme idol. Pushed to the margins, the proles who've been subliminally deemed ugly and worthless are creating new hierarchies that reify their value as being derived from within, not without, and I don't blame them. I'm a man, but it's hard not to pity women--even the average-looking ones are under a constant, dehumanizing pressure for sex and affection, from men, from other women, from their families and from colleagues and superiors. Throw on top of that the everyday reminders that she isn't beautiful enough compared to the Khloes and Beyonces, and the dissonance is enough to destroy any teenage soul. "I'm not good enough, so why do people keep demanding more of me?" Confusing times we occupy.

[Anonymous No.17161254]

>>17160577
Yes.

[Anonymous No.17161264]

>>17160379
Sounds like
>mind-altering drugs

[Anonymous No.17161280]

>>17160910
Yes.

[Anonymous No.17161296]

>>17161066
>Trans people do not actively ask cisgender people to also become trans.
Are you new to the internet? Trannies are like leftists in that they're ready to pounce on anyone who might possibly join their ranks, saying anything they can to convince the person.

[Anonymous No.17161339]

>>17161156
It's not a book by a scientist, so since she's a journalist there isn't a handy appendix with all the charts and figures. It jumps between personal stories and stats, and social media lists and scientific reviews, so it's a bit of a bitch to find if she has an overall rate in there even with the index.
Someone's bound to have pirated it by now, because it's been out quite a few months, if you want to try it yourself.
The section with the rate of increase is about Dr Littman, an epidemiologist who tried to coin a new term for the rise in teenage girls (rapid onset gender dysphoria), who got harassed out of the discourse because she found out it seemed to have a social media origin for some cases, rather than a born this way origin as the mainstream narrative likes to view all cases. But that might not help you because as far as I can see, that study was about how ~70% of them had an atypical presentation, so it's a study on differences between typically presenting teen ftms and that being dwarfed by the new variant which she wanted to give a new name. AFAIK Littman doesn't study specifically gender related epidemiology, so like I said, it might not help to find the raw stats of all teenage girls, but she might have included it too.
I'm reading something else atm, so I'm not going to go back through the whole book for you. There's bound to be some stats on teens specifically somewhere because of the division of adult and child services.

[Anonymous No.17161351]

>>17161066
>>17161296
My best friend (also my most well-read friend, sadly), in response to my romantic troubles, recently asked if I had considered being queer. NGL, I was mildly affronted. Why yes, if I simply stopped being male, all my problems would be solved! Why hadn't I thought of it sooner?

[Anonymous No.17161394]

>>17160379
I wanted to read this book but I was afraid of people around me seeing it. It seems like for a lot of men who are not gay is "normal" to question transgenderism and transactivism, but as a female I feel like I can't say anything at all or it would be perceived as "betrayal". Even within feminism it seems like mtf trans are more important than biological women now and not being able to openly voice my opinion on this because it could affect me professionally is crazy. They're a fucking cult and it saddens me to see my country follow the US's path into madness encouraging people to stay mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.17161420]

>>17161394
Just gain 50 lbs and become a terf.

[Anonymous No.17161452]

>>17161394
post adams apple

[Anonymous No.17161466]

>>17161394
>not being able to openly voice my opinion on this because it could affect me professionally is crazy. this applies all progressive opinions, not just trans stuff. Race is much more taboo.

[Anonymous No.17161500]

>>17161394
>mtf trans are more important than biological women now
It's ridiculous I agree. I told a friend that I was attracted to "cis-women" and this friend said that was transphobic because I don't know for sure the gender of all the people I'm attracted to. It's quite patronizing. I mean, if I have to specify this hard, then yes, I will go around saying I only get hard at bobs n vagene.

[Anonymous No.17161524]

>>17161500
>It's ridiculous I agree.
In what way? Women are worthless so literally anything is more important than women.

[Anonymous No.17161554]

>>17161524
don't talk

[Anonymous No.17161557]

>>17160379
>OY VEY YOU MAY OBJECT TO SEXUALLY MUTILATING CHILDREN IF IT'S TO ALLOW LITTLE GIRLS TO GET MOLESTED AND BECOME LESBIANS
>(((T. ABIGAIL SHRIER)))

All Kikes must die.

[Anonymous No.17161564]

>>17161394
Yeah, turns out feminism was a huge disaster, paving the way for even larger ones. Guess women should have listened instead of endlessly asserting themselves.

[Anonymous No.17161568]

>>17160379
This is the controlled Jewish opposition to a Jewish agenda.

All of this shit revolves round Jews. The way to end all of this child abuse is to end the Jews.

[Anonymous No.17161595]

>>17161568

Universalism is inherently decadent in all forms

Not surprising that a people who culturally evolved over millennia under the doctrine of a universal God would be the first the support this stuff

[Anonymous No.17161610]

>>17161564
>feminism
Product of the Jews.

[Anonymous No.17161628]

>>17161595
Jews aren't in any way universalist and you misunderstand their tribal religion. They're racial supremacists.

[Anonymous No.17161735]

>>17160379

Isn't this faggot TERF shit? It's just trading one problem for another

[Anonymous No.17161905]

>>17161735
See
>>17161557
>>17161610

Abigail Shier is jewish. Both issues are Jewish. This book is to make you think you have a choice between two Jewish problems.


Just look at the promotional blurbs in the front of her book: 75% of them are by Jews!

John Podhoretz, Dennis Prager, Kenneth Zucker, Bethany Mandel, Helen Joyce, Heather Heying, and Ben Shapiro if you must know.

Why is all of this child-mutilating shit AND its opposition jew jew jew jew everywhere you look? The whole thing is one big Jewish psyop foisted upon the goyim. What would happen if there were simply no Jews in our midst? The phony controversy, the hurricanes of political drama, and the very transgender issue itself... ALL of it would evaporate. Without jews NONE of these arguments would be necessary. No aspect of the problem would exist.

[Anonymous No.17161960]

50%, and here hoping it'll go higher still

[Anonymous No.17162147]

>>17160663
Nice cope

[Anonymous No.17162158]

>>17161610
Good point actually. Blaming ALL women for feminism isnt totally precise.
These types are really good at that strategy... name their esoteric movement after a much broader identity group to create the illusion that their tiny minority speaks for a mass

[Anonymous No.17162193]

>>17161905
>tfw when Kennith Zucker was accused of diddling his patients and was fired from his position at CAMH
>tfw when he was later rehired and successfully countersued them for damages

[Anonymous No.17162343]

>>17162193
(((Jeffrey Toobin))) gets suspended from the New Yorker then quietly reinstated for jacking off during a staff Xoom meeting.

Meanwhile some cake baker from Lakewood gets drug through the SCOTUS for not celebrating sodomy on command.

[Anonymous No.17162383]

>>17160663
lol you wish buddy boy

[Anonymous No.17162491]

>>17160379
Imagine actually being a tranny IRL

[Anonymous No.17162505]

>>17162343

hahahaha holy fuck. I had this anxiety about people hearing me fart or seeing me pick my nose so I never did those things near my PC or phone. Just imagine

>spray cum on your webcam, a sight for the ladies

[Anonymous No.17162832]

>>17160379
>glitter families are just as real, just as meaningful as our blood families”

Dont know why people waste ther time complaining about blacks and trannies in their movies, when the above statement has been much more harmful to "society"

[Anonymous No.17163169]

>I am not a shill, I do hate trannies though
Suspicious sentence

[Anonymous No.17163198]

>>17160954
>17160868
It's racist and antisemtic and it's been debunked
https://medium.com/james-finn/the-transgender-industrial-complex-racist-anti-semitic-nonsense-e82edc20ef89

[Anonymous No.17163243]

>>17160663
I'm not angry at them. I only feel disgust.
I actually also pity them and think they're being manipulated.

[Anonymous No.17163554]

>>17163198
>It's racist and antisemtic
Ordering 10 copies right now

[Anonymous No.17163737]

Haha you're reading feminist literature then claiming to hate trannies. Everyone here is a tranny lover

[Anonymous No.17164770]

>>17160379
>How did it take this long for someone to write this book?
This is the real book on the subject.

It will will never be promoted by John Podhoretz, Dennis Prager, Kenneth Zucker, Bethany Mandel, Helen Joyce, Heather Heying, or Ben Shapiro because it discusses the jewish role.

[Anonymous No.17164794]

>>17161226
>it's hard not to pity women--even the average-looking ones are under a constant, dehumanizing pressure for sex and affection, from men, from other women, from their families and from colleagues and superiors. Throw on top of that the everyday reminders that she isn't beautiful enough compared to the Khloes and Beyonces, and the dissonance is enough to destroy any teenage soul. "I'm not good enough, so why do people keep demanding more of me?" Confusing times we occupy.
Women have no souls, they do not feel this pressure, if something they even enjoy it

[Anonymous No.17164800]

>ftm trannies
I mean what is the fucking point
Mtf while hideous most of the time can be still used as cum dumps. But ftm? Who the fuck likes them?

[Anonymous No.17164804]

>>17163198
>It's racist and antisemtic and it's been debunked

[Anonymous No.17164807]

>>17164800
I assume absolutely no one.

[Anonymous No.17164810]

>>17160663
More often than not I merely pity them.

[Anonymous No.17164870]

>>17160892
E Michael Jones is an astonishingly good writer.

[Anonymous No.17165064]

>>17160577
No, it's that popular culture has a parasitic relationship with the youth, with damning consequences

[Anonymous No.17165122]

>>17160663
>"being gay is okay"
>"what are you? gay?"
The accusations of closet homosexuality are the funniest aspect of modern social liberalism. It's a perfect reflection of what we all know deep down: homosexuality is strange, unnatural, deviant behavior.

[Anonymous No.17165142]

>>17160379
> Wasn't there another book?
I think you're talking about "Transgender Industrial Complex"
I haven't read it but that's been the popular one on this site

[Anonymous No.17165145]

>>17160379
That cover is pedobait

[Anonymous No.17165205]

>>17160620
A "glitter family" implies the following:
> LGBTQ
> glamorous
> safe (through the use of childish terminology)
> people that accept you for who you are
The most sinister part of the last one is that there are healthy families that don't accept what one member decides to be, because it is unhealthy for that person, or the family as a whole.
If your actual family that has been healthy up until now tells you they don't want you to medically transition, then you need to do some serious consideration as to where the influence to do so came from.
I didn't know they called it a "glitter family" but that makes me intensely more suspicious due to the obvious effects it would have on children.
It's like a chocolate flavored cigarette with spongebob on it.

[Anonymous No.17165273]

>>17165064
That anon is correctly identifying the fundamental problem but blaming it on class white women, not the Jews who own and create all media they see.

[Anonymous No.17165275]

>>17160663
> Person with a penis that wears a dress
No thank you, Im biologically programmed to prefer vaginas and I'm ok with that
> Person with a hole where the penis should be that constantly leaks out shit
Why did you do that

[Anonymous No.17165316]

>>17160379

[Anonymous No.17165340]

>>17160537
>There aren't very many direct polemics against transgenderism unless you want to read something by a Christian

My fascist historical critique on the subject will be out soon, and it traces all the way back to Magnus Hirschfeld and his institute.

[Anonymous No.17165341]

>>17165316
>loss of sense of humor
>the left can't meme

[Anonymous No.17165353]

>>17165316
Whoa just like 4chan

[Anonymous No.17165388]

>>17165353
But the safety rails for 4chan are that we're all too asocial to turn this into a honest to God group

[Anonymous No.17165411]

>>17165388
Assuming that we could, what do you think such a group would even be like?

[Anonymous No.17165431]

>>17165411
Bunch of niggers

[Anonymous No.17165686]

>>17165316
One of the problems with cults is that they're offering an alternative to people whose families are already abusive.

In the OP book there's a great example of this with the trans cult: a case study of a tween girl who slowly gets indoctrinated by mass media and peer groups. The book describes how she pulls away from her family and becomes more disturbed every time she hits another stage in indoctrination.

But who are her parents? A pair of lesbians. This girl was already experiencing some kind of abuse at their hands, but the book never mentions it, because its narrative is about the corruption of homosexuals with trans ideology.

[Anonymous No.17165705]

>>17165686
>But who are her parents? A pair of lesbians
There are straight parents in the book too whose kids leave. The book suggests the abusive parenting is in the form of coddling and based more in the fact the parents are middle class. Thr lesbian thing is really irrelevant because most trannies aren't coming from lesbian parents. A lot of them are coming from the overprotective middle class.

[Anonymous No.17165736]

>>17165705
>The book suggests the abusive parenting is in the form of coddling
Interesting.

>>17165705
>Thr lesbian thing is really irrelevant
No.

[Anonymous No.17165757]

>>17160379
*sons

[Anonymous No.17165760]

>>17165736
>No.
Well, if you think that lesbians are the problem, you're going to keep having trannies. Do you want trannies or lesbians?

[Anonymous No.17165777]

>>17165760
I want both of them dead and rotten

[Anonymous No.17165801]

>>17165777
Yeah but that only happens if we kill off humans. (I'm assuming you don't mind gayness in animals)

[Anonymous No.17165819]

>>17165801
>Yeah but that only happens if we kill off humans
God I wish
Also
>implying all humans are lesbians and trannies

[Anonymous No.17165982]

>>17161066

[Anonymous No.17165983]

>>17165819
At least you're okay with killing off all humans. It's not that all humans are lesbians and trannies, but humanity relies on those deviations to stay somewhat competitive. If you have a population of humans large enough to ensure their survival, some of them will be lesbos or trannies to improve competition.

[Anonymous No.17166034]

>>17160379
>>17160481
it's just because teenage girls are the most herdlike, trend-driven demographic. women in general are but young girls especially with social media really get rekt.

[Anonymous No.17166075]

>>17160379
Cringe. I saw the author whining against based Amazon for "supressing" her transphobic tract.

[Anonymous No.17166090]

>>17166075
(((u)))

[Anonymous No.17166132]

>>17161394
>Even within feminism it seems like mtf trans are more important than biological women now
Probably because it's considered a solved issue and the ideology needs something to substantiate itself and continue. TERFs are the same, just anti. Normal radfems are the most honest and simple as their substantiation is plain misandry.

[Anonymous No.17166136]

Why does God allow these abominations to walk the earth?

[Anonymous No.17166215]

>>17166136
For the lolz

[Anonymous No.17166410]

>>17160756

We hate you because you’re fucking obnoxious. It’s like you took the most obnoxious gays and then gave them borderline personality disorder. Then in any group you terrorize everyone with weird pronoun rules to force yourself into the center of attention. Nobody wants to be around that.

[Anonymous No.17166494]

>>17160756
No it's mostly the push to give hormone treatments to children for me.

[Anonymous No.17166517]

>>17160577
>female hysteria
>typical woman behaviors
you're such a pleb.

Let's accept your premise that the number of transgender female youth is suspiciously high. You then support this by saying that the rates of transgenderism within this demographic is historically unprecedented. Obviously, then, something about time is the cause of your premise and not the fact that females are the subjects of your premise (women existed before this shift you claim to observe in their premise, yes?)

[Anonymous No.17166547]

serious question though; why does /lit/ care? Isn't the task of presenting oneself as a masculine or feminine being simply an aesthetic choice, similar to a selection in clothing? I am suspicious of anybody going out of their way to lambast transgender people for doing something trivial that is basically the equivalent of wearing a costume; I think your volatility about this topic suggests some underlying neuroses...

[Anonymous No.17166586]

>>17166547
T. Tranny

[Anonymous No.17166589]

>>17166547

>wears costume
>screams at anyone who doesn’t know what costume it is
>”I feel UNSAFE someone called me he, I’m a transformer not a Gobot”
>cancels people who didn’t get the right robot toy
>forces people to sit through lengthy presentations about differences in various robot costumes and how not to offend people in robot costumes
>gets offended anyway because it gets them attention
>demands that immigrant mechanics rub lube on their dicks because they’re machines, then sues and tried to shut down their business

It’s just like wearing a costume.

[Anonymous No.17166613]

>>17166547
Transgenderism is a direct attack on the fundamental truths of human life and the foundations of the structure of human societies.

You will never be a woman, fuck kikes

[Anonymous No.17166636]

>>17166547
Who's really going out of their way: the people exhibiting their sexual fetish publicly because they require validation, or the people who react with distaste?

[Anonymous No.17166715]

>>17166666

[Anonymous No.17166724]

>>17166547
See >>17166494
Hormones and reassignment surgery aren't a costume.
If adults want to do it I don't care, they're consenting adults. Children are not, and their parents can't "consent for them" and more than a parent can decide if their kid is gay or straight.
If a child chooses to "wear a costume" in the form of clothing or other non-invasive practices then it's just the child doing what it wants.
Tons of boys try on their mom's heels when they're younger, including me and my brothers. That doesn't mean they need to have their biology dangerously rewired at a hormonally sensitive age. It means they're curious about what femininity is/want to look silly, and it's totally normal.

[Anonymous No.17166804]

>>17166589
what world are you living in? I live in yuppie NYC and know lots of transgendered people. Yes, while the pressure to conform to SJW rhetoric in academic and corporate contexts is annoying, you're being quite hyperbolic. Half of the rhetoric you assign to transgenderism ("i feel unsafe/lengthy presentations/getting offended) are facets of almost all liberal culture regarding race, gender, sexuality, and identity politics in general. It's stupid and tiring but not exclusive to transgenderism.

>>17166636
Is it a sexual fetish though? These people live every moment of their lives as the opposite gender: at work, shopping for groceries, etc. I really doubt that so many people allow a fetish to take over their whole lives. And even if your claim is true, I will concede that it's probably mentally unhealthy for them but not exactly harmful to others.

>>17166724
Ok you actually present a good point unlike everyone else here. I agree that consenting adults can get any surgery they want for any reason as long as they can cough up the dough. However, are children really transitioning with alarming frequency? As far as I'm aware, you can't get HRT until you're 18 anyways, and younger children have the option of puberty blockers (which simply delay puberty; no deleterious long term effects) after professional evaluation.

[Anonymous No.17166827]

>>17166804
> are children transitioning with alarming frequency?
If a child is chemically or physically transitioning that is alarming. Frequency is not the question.
But even if it was, the book that started this thread states that they are.

[Anonymous No.17166865]

>>17163198
if that article is the debunking then it's shit

[Anonymous No.17166874]

>>17166804
>I really doubt that so many people allow a fetish to take over their whole lives.
There are people who wear diapers and act like babies all day because they get off on it. Being a tranny because it turns you on is not unthinkable.
I'd like to see studies on this because I have a sneaking suspicion it turns them on.

[Anonymous No.17166908]

>>17166804
I agree that it's not harmful for a man to dress as a woman and perfomatively imitate feminine mannerisms in front of me. I think it's annoying, but not harmful. However, if I refuse to participate in this little charade, and scoff at them or refer to them by the gender pronouns associated with their actual sex, this is called not only harmful but literally violence. So again, who's really taking the initiative here? Always it is the trans person making the action and forcing others to react as they wish. I say fuck that.

[Anonymous No.17166934]

>>17166804

I literally saw this at two different conventions pre-covid. It was transgender people doing it, not anyone else. Don’t try to blame black people for your shitty behavior, racist.

[Anonymous No.17167030]

>>17160770
Hahahah this gif is so good

[Anonymous No.17167057]

>>17166874
People give every free cent they have to women on the internet for pornography they can get for free

[Anonymous No.17167062]

>>17160379
same as pedophiles these people are sexual deviants, all of these groups operate as cults

[Anonymous No.17167241]

>>17166517
Not him but
>>female hysteria
>>typical woman behaviors
>you're such a pleb.
Hysteria is a major part of culture in modernism, as is gender inversion. You just outed yourself as not having read a lot of foundational authors, some of whom are responsible for entire literary movements.
>>17166517
>your premise that the number of transgender female youth is suspiciously high. You then support this by saying that the rates of transgenderism within this demographic is historically unprecedented
That is close to the *book's* premise which anon is trying to understand. However, to add nuance that the book has: it's that teenage girls are having incidences within friend groups of near 100%, where there seems to be social contagion.
>something about time is the cause of your premise and not the fact that females are the subjects of your premise (women existed before this shift you claim to observe in their premise, yes?)
It's a hysteria and women are more prone to them and group contagions of them. There are male outbreaks of them (eg the jumping Frenchmen of Maine), but usually they are mostly or entirely female. Convents, all girls schools, and other female dominated settings are a risk factor for mass psychogenic illness.
>>17166547
I like reading about hysteria.
> Isn't the task of presenting oneself as a masculine or feminine being simply an aesthetic choice, similar to a selection in clothing
This is a performative view of gender, which isn't generally acceptable to current trans activists, and has long been a battleground for feminists before they even thought about tranners. It's considered anti-feminist in some circles, most usually because it was a way to reject the fashion standard set by Helena Rubenstein, the make up mogul, which is best summed up in her phrase
>There are no ugly women, only lazy ones.
Current trends in femininity were formed in part by the feminist movement which rejected that idea, so femininity was no longer a question of presentation or performance. That's carried over into trans activism so many now claim it doesn't matter how one has presented oneself, you have to validate their (invisible) internal self conception. People who demand others validate their internal self conception regardless of external performance usually have more complex psychological troubles than a mere neurosis.
>>17166589
Yeah fan conventions tend to have that kind of complex psychological troubles in greater numbers than the general population too. It's not solely a function of transgenderism, and usually the transgenderism or fandom is an outlet more than the cause.
>>17166724
>Hormones and reassignment surgery aren't a costume
They are however largely cosmetic, and hormones in particular are overused (not solely by transsexuals, because women who want bigger tits and no kids and men who want bigger pecs and less hairloss are also pumping industrial quantities into our waterways). The consent issue ignores that nonconsensual harm.

[Anonymous No.17167355]

>>17160379
>This shit operates like a cult.
Leftism in general is a cult. How many posts on Twitter or REddit are there saying that they stopped talking to their family after they voted for Trump? Or that they stopped going to Holiday dinners because their family is Conservative? Leftism seeks to separate you from your family, and the wisdom of your elders, so you are stuck with them and listening to them only.

[Anonymous No.17167371]

>>17160481
Teenage girls are the easiest group to manipulate with advertising. Witness the BLM thing, or like you mentioned: pop-star hysteria. It's really sad what is happening. Lack of strong families, and invasion of all personal space by social media and marketing must play a large role

[Anonymous No.17167382]

>>17166804
>younger children have the option of puberty blockers (which simply delay puberty; no deleterious long term effects)
This isn't strictly true. Delaying puberty has immense risks, and they used only be prescribed in cases where early puberty was going to do extreme damage because flooding an immature body with hormones from a tumour/genetic defect was worse than letting nature take its course. The use of them in otherwise healthy teenagers needs more study but to say they only delay puberty is dangerously close to misinformed consent. It can cause puberty, which is necessary for adult maturation, to never happen. It can also deprive the body of necessary organ development (both if you decide to not transition and if you do) and the other hormonal effects of puberty, along with causing problems in bone mineralisation. The cases which used get these drugs had problems like cancer or hereditary diseases or problems with bone growth, where psychological factors were not weighed against real risks of deformation or death and where consent was highly informed. Now only psychological factors are weighed, and little none of the physical medical risk of the drug is conveyed. Informed consent would require the strong potential for deleterious long term effects, both known and unknown, to be conveyed to the standard reasonable person. That's why the legal challenge in the UK was successful, because we wouldn't treat any other patient that way.

[Anonymous No.17167448]

>>17166804
>younger children have the option of puberty blockers (which simply delay puberty; no deleterious long term effects) after professional evaluation.

Absolutely kill yourself tranny. Only a complete retard or liar could possibly believe artificially stopping the onset of puberty, basically the most important development phase a human being, could have no side effects.

Fuck you and I hope you burn in hell for all eternity to pay for your crimes against innocent children.

[Anonymous No.17167465]

>>17167355
That and so they can commit rampant voter fraud with no recourse

[Anonymous No.17167487]

>>17166874
I believe there are theories ("autogynephelia" is the term) that posit that transgenderism comes from sexual stuff. However, trans people dress as their preferred gender during the most mundane parts of their lives, and these contexts is so divorced from sex that I can't in good faith call it sexual. We can derive psychosexual roots for many of our impulses, but those impulses themselves are not necessary sexual when carried out.

>>17166908
I agree with you to some extent. But why would you refuse to participate in their charade? If a biological male changed his name to "Katie" because he liked it, would you also refuse to address him by his preferred name? It makes little difference to me whether somebody wants to be referred to as "he/she". You don't need to literally believe that a trans man is a biological male to just use his referent pronoun of choice. If a trans man looks very masculine it is, in fact, more convenient to use the term "he" to avoid confusion.

>>17166934
what?

>>17167241
Feminine hysteria is certainly a literary theme, and a major theme in modernist literature, yes. You're deeply confused if you think it's real. The term hysteria is derived from hustera, meaning womb, because quacks thought (until relatively recently) that women were driven to madness by their uteruses leaving their wombs and traveling throughout their bodies, causing them unbearable pain. You really think this idea is worth exploring? And you egregiously try to make sociological theories using it as your evidence? Unfortunately for you, you are very stupid...

>>17167382
Thanks for the information. I'll need to do my own independent research on the matter but perhaps you're right and puberty blockers aren't the best option for teenagers who think they might be transgender.

[Anonymous No.17167528]

>>17167448
why do you assume that anybody who simply considers the arguments that trans activists make are themselves trans? I'm not trans but you are very clearly hateful.

You make an interesting claim that artificially stopping the natural onset of puberty could be dangerous. I am inclined to agree with you based off of intuition. However, human intuition can often be refuted with empirical evidence. Here is the actual research I have encountered:

"research has shown that suppression of puberty is safe, causing minimal side effects [6]. If parents become concerned about this treatment, they can safely and easily stop treatment and allow development to restart normally in the biological sex."

from: journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/suppression-puberty-transgender-children/2010-08

I am more inclined to agree with a doctor than I am to agree with a very clearly biased anon.

[Anonymous No.17167535]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPVNxYkawao

[Anonymous No.17167541]

>>17167487
excuse my grammar errors, english is not my first language

[Anonymous No.17167561]

>>17167528
>from: journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/suppression-puberty-transgender-children/2010-08

that's a link to another citation:

this is the article that article is citing:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s007870050073

this is the abstract:

>Early cross-sex hormonal interventions (that is, between 16 and 18) as a treatment for young transsexuals are often considered to be risky. However, the delay of such treatment until after the development of secondary sex characteristics has obvious drawbacks for transsexual individuals. This paper reports a postoperative follow-up case-study of a female-to-male transsexual who was treated with a combination of an LHRH agonist (which delayed her secondary sex characteristics development) and psychotherapy at age 13, and subsequently underwent sex reassignment at 18.

doesn't sound that promising but it's paywalled by big-academia, so maybe someone can link us up a pdf to actually read what this research really says

[Anonymous No.17167573]

>>17167487
Whether or not one indulges the charade of another should really be up to them. But instead we have a situation where if I dont play along, I'm accused of doing violence to that person's socially constructed identity. I think that's madness, and clearly just a way to coerce people into playing along with someone's sexual fetish despite not consenting to it. Also, at worst, it may not be a charade but actually be a delusion, and I think it's actually immoral to feed into someone's delusions when you know that's what they are. If I encountered a schizophrenic I would not feed his own rantings back at him. That would be cruel and wrong. Why so with someone who's truly gender dysphoric? Sometimes the right thing to do is not the thing that the person in the delusional state wants you to do.

Also, as to the hysteria thing, does the etymology matter? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. Everyone knows there are fundamental reasons for why certain women are often called hysterical, reasons grounded in behavior. Besides, I've seen the term applied to men also, again for their behavior.

[Anonymous No.17167612]

>>17167487
>Feminine hysteria is certainly a literary theme, and a major theme in modernist literature, yes. You're deeply confused if you think it's real
It is real. It has very real effects on sufferers. It's well documented throughout history.
>The term hysteria is derived from hustera, meaning womb, because quacks thought (until relatively recently) that women were driven to madness by their uteruses leaving their wombs and traveling throughout their bodies, causing them unbearable pain. You really think this idea is worth exploring?
Except the wandering womb theory was entirely poopooed for centuries, especially in the modern era, and hysteria persists with a different meaning. I mean, contemporary to both the ancient idea you are using _and_ the very different modern ideas of hysteria, people believed tuberculosis was caused by vampires. Do you think that means tuberculosis is not real? Or perhaps you think that means modern ideas of tuberculosis are entirely not worth exploring. Is that the level of stupid your lack of understanding of the modern age took you to? Hysteria is bad because they changed the idea since antiquity but tuberculosis maintaining the vampire explanation for much longer is a-okay? Jesus.

[Anonymous No.17167622]

>>17160663
>>17160756
>>17160832
>>17160868
>>17161557
>>17161568
>>17161628
>>17161905
>>17165273
>>17166075
Does anyone else unironically want to kill both of these types of “people”?

[Anonymous No.17167628]

>>17167622
At least antisemites are generally being earnest.

[Anonymous No.17167693]

>>17167487
>Feminine hysteria is certainly a literary theme, and a major theme in modernist literature, yes. You're deeply confused if you think it's real. The term hysteria is derived from hustera, meaning womb, because quacks thought (until relatively recently) that women were driven to madness by their uteruses leaving their wombs and traveling throughout their bodies, causing them unbearable pain. You really think this idea is worth exploring? And you egregiously try to make sociological theories using it as your evidence? Unfortunately for you, you are very stupid...
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/its-catching/201703/why-are-females-prone-mass-hysteria

Men and women are different. It doesn’t mean men are superior to women, but they’re verifiably different. Denying it and claiming any evidence of this is “sexist” is just being as brainwashed as the /pol/tards, only in the opposite way.

[Anonymous No.17167862]

>>17167573
The etymology is important because that is where the term "hysteria" originates in a clinical sense. You are also using the term in its clinical sense in your earlier posts, in which you attribute a sociological phenomenon to "hysteria". How else am I to interpret your use of the word in order to describe a type of feminine madness? How does that not look like you truly buy in to antiquated sexist beliefs? The APA dropped the term long ago, as should you if you want your analysis to be taken seriously.

>>17167693
"Mass hysteria" in the context of women and the historical "hysteria" used to explain away the legitimate mental illnesses of women are two separate things.

My friends, I am trying to tell you that your analysis of the situation is unempirical. Yes, we all know that trans women are not biological women. However, they choose to socially function as women, and so that is why people refer to them as women. This whole "all our kids are going to be trans now!" smacks of the same fearmongering that homophobes crooned just a few decades ago.

[Anonymous No.17167930]

>>17167862
>The etymology is important because that is where the term "hysteria" originates in a clinical sense
Do you do this with hypochondria too, which has etymologically the same implication?

[Anonymous No.17168021]

>>17160663
In a way they're sterilising the mentally ill, the easily manipulated, the narcissistic and the sexual deviants on a scale that probably would impress even Hitler. What annoys me is the genuflection towards these people. They are the Court Eunuchs of Globalism who control every HR department and are beyond criticism despite their batshit insane fetish.

[Anonymous No.17168027]

>>17161226
Not really. Transexuality is a means through which one can declare themselves a victim. As a reaction to fascism, we've declared that anyone who claims to be a victim based on some innate characteristic must be protected - in this case, claiming to be born in the wrong body.

>I find it amusing that the people most vocally interested in upholding "traditional" norms of beauty, upper-middle-class conservatives, are precisely the ones feeding the transgender machine by doubling down on this unobtainable ur-femme idol.
It's not surprising at all. The upper-middle class are still essentially religious conservatives - they're going along with the religious orthodoxy of the time. It's a modern sacrament in the victimary religion.

[Anonymous No.17168033]

>>17167862
>My friends, I am trying to tell you that your analysis of the situation is unempirical. Yes, we all know that trans women are not biological women. However, they choose to socially function as women, and so that is why people refer to them as women. This whole "all our kids are going to be trans now!" smacks of the same fearmongering that homophobes crooned just a few decades ago.
You haven’t read the book. It’s not a case of “all our kids are going to be trans!”, that’s a strawman. It doesn’t matter morally whether only 1% of trans kids aren’t actually happier being trans and have been brainwashed into it, or 5%, or 10%, or 30% or 90%. The very case studies Shrier presents, the fact that academics like Littman have been harassed out of their jobs for talking about rapid-onset gender dysphoria, and the fact that it’s “transphobic” to mention this according to the mainstream media and current zeitgeist is the issue. Shrier herself is a surprisingly milquetoast liberal who frequently takes pains to virtue signal about how she’s not against transgenderism in itself, is a feminist, sees nothing wrong with homosexuality, etc., and was simply a journalist who decided to research an unconventional, “politically incorrect” topic and was appalled to find what’s lying behind the surface here.

[Anonymous No.17168222]

>>17165353
not at all the same, shit comparison

[Anonymous No.17168313]

>>17167355
>Leftism in general is a cult.
Exactly the same could be said about Rightism. Wasted dubs on evident cognitive dissonance.

[Anonymous No.17168912]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JTRhUUge6so

[Anonymous No.17168998]

>>17168021
>Court Eunuchs of Globalism
nice

[Anonymous No.17169011]

>>17168313
Exactly the same? Are you sure?

[Anonymous No.17169125]

>>17165760
Lesbians aren't real. It's a political position.

You might say they're a social construct. But unlike useful social constructs like the Gregorian calendar or algebraic notation, it's utterly poisonous to the people forced to accept it.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17169265]

>>17169011
Yes.

>>17169125
No. It isn’t even a sexual position. It’s a sexuality
Individuals find themselves this way. Transgenderism is the social construct.

[Anonymous No.17169343]

>>17160862
Based

[Anonymous No.17169349]

>>17169265
Left, right, it's all the same to Butterfly. All those books read, no differences identified. If you had to call her anything it would be non-political. That's our Butters; disengaged, nonjudgmental, nonpolitical, apathetic. A consistent lady.

[Anonymous No.17169424]

>>17166724
>Hormones and reassignment surgery aren't a costume.
Where, exactly, do you draw the line for "costumes"? Do you consider tattoos and piercings as such? How about cosmetic surgery, such as breast implants or botox?

[Anonymous No.17169791]

>>17169125
Lesbianism can definitely be a political position, but it has an important part in human development. Most girls go through a phase of intense same sex attraction, but some remain in that phase. The purpose of the more general phase during the preteen and early teen years is to practise partnership without the risk of getting pregnant too early, and it helps teenagers develop and learn about trust and cooperation and dependability (or their opposites). There are negative reasons why some don't grow out of it, such as they fail to develop a sense of self responsibility and social responsibility, but most of those call themselves bisexual. But there are positive reasons too where they play an auxiliary role in raising the next generation and don't become the burden most mothers are in society but also don't bear the risk of death from conflict/disease/accident that men have. Lesbians are more violent in romantic relationships, but they still carry less risk to both mothers and children compared to a likewise unrelated male in that auxiliary role, while their potential for violence and possessiveness of the mother mimics the male authority necessary for a reasonably stable child in the absence of a male figure.
What's actually poisonous about the social construction of the political lesbians was their aversion to male children, which is a development which only really happened in the 1980s. Until then, the spinster auntie was a much more common lesbian trope.
The expansion of gay populations currently is mostly socially constructed, and largely because the social construct of marriage has fallen apart. Before gay males would marry because it gave them citizenship rights, while females who were gay just didn't marry because they weren't going to be citizens either way. Now we have a few generations raised by divorce, and an explosion of gayness and bisexuality who don't intend to have children and especially do not intend to take care of someone else's kid as a cold but just authoritarian figure. The social construct of divorce is making that happen as it's completely changed child rearing, so female teenagers don't develop through that phase but get stuck in it, unable to grasp the purpose of sex or partnership in a basic biological sense.
The explosion of gay males without the civic responsibility they once had is also spiralling. While females have a natural intense same sex attraction phase, gay males can be produced by lack of an authority figure, or, more horrifically and more usually, by gay predators. Instead of a family unit of two parents who might hand the boy at worst to a lesbian, males are now being raised by single mothers who think they are still teenagers and the risk of exposure to homosexual predation is growing for them. There's a reason the pedo priests went for single mothers with male children, and those kids turned out gay more often than the girls targeted by priests or nuns (who also target boys sexually less)

[Anonymous No.17170101]

>>17160504
Name a more iconic duo than woman and following whatever trend the media feeds them

[Anonymous No.17170420]

>>17160663
>The only stimulus that drives people is sex