/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17192927]

Talk me off the ledge bros.

[Blarty Hongo !WegkZP4tiw No.17192938]

>>17192927
Did you actually read the book? It's not what it's commonly assumed to be.

[Anonymous No.17192950]

>>17192927
>>17192938
Never read it but given that I've seen it on the shelves of chain book retailers it must be supremely pozzed in one way or another

[Anonymous No.17192975]

>>17192927
In a few years the US will be too inept and broke to push its policies on Europe and you'll be free again. Rejoice!

[Blarty Hongo !WegkZP4tiw No.17192984]

>>17192950
I found it excellent (certainly WAY better than "The Madness of Crowds"). It combines regular prose journalism with little sketches of areas touched by the migrant crisis, such as these little Greek islands that have gone from supporting a few hundred residents to supporting thousands and thousands of migrants who mostly just want to get the fuck off said island so they can start making their way toward Germany or Scandinavia. Murray combines the rare feat of allow himself to feel horror at the degradation of Western European society while also reserving some sympathy for the migrants. I think a lot of people take one glance at the cover and assume it's some right-wing screed about how all migrants should be destroyed or something.

[Anonymous No.17192992]

>>17192927
Okay, here goes.
It's a cope written for burgers so that they can feel better about how quickly they sold off their global hegemony for peanuts. That's literally it.
Also I love how fucking Turkey is included in Europe fsr but Russia is not. Stunning.

[Anonymous No.17193001]

>>17192992
>cope for burgers
More like "Why are the Euros giving themselves burger problems voluntarily? Why are there black people in Europe?"

[Anonymous No.17193005]

>>17192950
No it's a pretty decent read, this was my first real red pill.

[Anonymous No.17193032]

>>17192927
Yeah, there’s nothing you can do. Read great literature, immerse yourself in great arts, live the best you can. Be one of the few individuals upholding western culture in the sea of niggers and degeneracy. Don’t give up because of the disgust.

[Anonymous No.17193092]

>>17192938
What is it commonly assumed to be?

[Anonymous No.17193115]

>>17192927
Embrace collapse. Even if you expel all the blacks from Europe tomorrow it will still be a degenerate technocratic hellhole. There's nothing worth conserving.

[Anonymous No.17193118]

>>17193092
A far right jeremiad

[Anonymous No.17193125]

>>17193115
By collapse I mean actual collapse, like the industrial system falling. Which it is bound to. You can help too of course (:

[Anonymous No.17193136]

>>17193115
Ah yes, postwar technocracy - when you sponsor low-IQ mass immigration in a desperate ploy to fund boomer pensions, shut down nuclear power plants, declare AI racist, and so on.

[Anonymous No.17193155]

if this book doesn't talk about capitalism (or globalization if for ideologues) then it's not even worth the few mb's on my hard drive.

[Anonymous No.17193163]

>tfw you realize your home land is already gone and you have to live through it

[Anonymous No.17193166]

>>17193155
ignore the "if"

[Anonymous No.17193170]

>>17193163
Where do u live

[Anonymous No.17193172]

>>17193115
I'd rather be in a technocratic hellhole with my own people than with invaders.

[Anonymous No.17193179]

>>17193172
The only reason foreigners are there in the first place is the technocratic dictatorship dumbass

[Anonymous No.17193195]

>>17193179
That's not the only reason but sure, it still doesn't change what I said though.

[Anonymous No.17193201]

>>17193195
Ok congrats on being a cuck, cuck.

[Anonymous No.17193206]

>>17193201
How am I a cuck for wanting invaders out of my country? lmao, the absolute state of zoomers

[Anonymous No.17193216]

>>17193206
I never said you should be against that. Just that it won't actually change anything. Expel them and you'll still have a degenerate hellhole, it'll just be whiter.

[Anonymous No.17193234]

>>17193170
Sweden

[Anonymous No.17193246]

>>17193216
>Just that it won't actually change anything
It'll make it at least possible for our people to unite
>Expel them and you'll still have a degenerate hellhole, it'll just be whiter.
Which is preferable over muttland hellhole. That still doesn't make me a cuck, retard. Wanting invaders out and wanting "technocratic dictatorship" gone are not mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.17193251]

>>17193246
>Wanting invaders out and wanting "technocratic dictatorship" gone are not mutually exclusive.
>>17193172
>I'd rather be in a technocratic hellhole with my own people than with invaders.

[Anonymous No.17193261]

>>17193251
Do you understand words? I'd rather not be in a technocratic hellhole at all, but for so long as I have to be, I'd rather be in it with my own people so we can do something about it. You seem actually retarded.

[Anonymous No.17193270]

>>17193251
>I'd rather be in a technocratic hellhole with my own people than with invaders.
yes? what's there not to understand. it's at least one less problem and there's at least potential in the future to unfuck this hellhole. with immigrants it's over, you won't even get a chance to discuss the corporate hellhole before getting cancelled

[Anonymous No.17193280]

>>17193234
Take tips from Hezbollah or the IRA or another group like that. Last I read the majority of the population is against immigration so it's not like they'd resist you. Seriously if you can organize an actual resistance, and not just one man suicide attacks, to your politicians they won't be able to get away with it.

[Anonymous No.17193281]

>>17193216
a mono-ethnic state would probably be easier to turn around, anon. the entire rational behind nationalism is to over-come multiethnic prejudices and try to achieve cohesiveness modeled after the former.

[Anonymous No.17193298]

>>17193261
>>17193270
>>17193281
Ok I misread then. I guess we're in agreement.

[Anonymous No.17193319]

Douglas Murray is unfathomably based

[Anonymous No.17193393]

He's a gay atheist. You can't complain about the decline of Western culture while being part of what's causing it.

[Anonymous No.17193428]

>>17193393
But the Strange Death of Europe is being caused by a radicalized (in a bad way) liberal Christianity not by gay atheists. The imperative to encourage mass immigration from Africa is a liberal-Christian one that strips Christianity of everything except mercy as a reaction to fascism.

[Anonymous No.17193441]

>>17193393
Modern Christianity demands you be 'tolerant' above all other things even the future of your people. Not all gays are onboard with that crap, look at the homofascists.

[Anonymous No.17193442]

>>17193428
It's both, gay atheists have no stake in the future so are the most willing to sell their souls to consumerism

[Anonymous No.17193461]

>>17193442
>consumerism
As opposed to... producerism? When you make stuff, the idea is for someone to use it at the end of the day, whether as a consumable or as a component in the production of other consumables.

>>17193441
I think it's important to distinguish "mere atheism" from people who have concluded that Jesus wasn't very nice, compared to themselves (most leftists). Very different worldviews.

[Anonymous No.17193464]

>>17193461
>>consumerism
You may want to look up what this word means

[Anonymous No.17193466]

>>17193428
>>17193441
Doesn't disprove that atheism is part of the decline just because of liberal Christianity. Catholics in the USA were against degenerate Hollywood and things like that so were forced into consumer suburban boxes by the government. Also look at the decline of birth rate and rise of atheism.

[Anonymous No.17193478]

>>17193172
People fleeing a war zone that my country created are invaders.

[Anonymous No.17193483]

>>17193466
>consumer suburban boxes
Most people either wanted more land or wanted to get away from black violence in the cities and suburban boxes were their best option at the time.

[Anonymous No.17193487]

>>17193483
...the Great Migration to the North was forced by the government dumbass. One of the reasons was to break up ethnic Catholic communities.

[Anonymous No.17193492]

>>17193478
>People fleeing a war zone that my country created are invaders.
Yes, they don't belong here. They don't have to flee to safety halfway across the world. My country did not create that war, the government, which is not the people, supported it. Show your nose.

[Anonymous No.17193501]

>>17193478
Yes we personally told """our""" governments to start bombing Syria.

[Anonymous No.17193516]

Civilization isn’t on decline you fucking retarded chuds. Holy shit have sex.

[Anonymous No.17193522]

>>17193516
Bait

[Anonymous No.17193524]

>>17193516
>Civilization isn’t on decline you fucking retarded chuds. Holy shit have sex.

[Anonymous No.17193525]

>>17193155
>cntrl+f
>"capitalism" = 1 match (in no relation to immigration whatsoever)
>"profit" = no matches

>"globalization" = 2 matches:
>"[...] leading politicians [...] have claimed that European countries must try to improve living standards in third-world countries in order to prevent people coming here. Yet the truth is — as many studies have shown — that it is only when living standards rise (though hardly to luxuriousl evels) that the mass migration truly begins. Truly poor people do not have the money to bribe the smugglers."
Brainlet take. First off he doesn't cite any studies. Secondly he conventionally ignores the economic circumstances of those countries where migrants come from (not to mention war and terrorism) and the reason(s) for poverty. But he would never do that ofc, because he's a filthy liar of a conservative who can't admit that marxists have a point (he tries to "refute" marxism in this book btw just to make it clear to his readers that it's not a systemic issue and that alternatives do not exist, classic conservative cia propaganda move).
Migrants who can afford the smuggler are still at the very bottom, mainly because the "bottom" in those countries is fucking huge. He's making it sound like these are middle class citizens trying to get to europe lol. There hardly is a middle class in these countries you dumb faggot. Charities don't fix shit, they never manage to fix the holes left by capitalist industries. They're only there so that bourgeois bootlickers can have an excuse.

Are there any conservatives out there that are actually intelligent and not full of shit?

>>17193428
>thinking christian values are what's causing migration
read a book

[Anonymous No.17193538]

>>17193492
And now your country has a responsibility to give them homes. You can’t just stop pouring gasoline and then act like you’ve done all you can do,

[Anonymous No.17193539]

>>17193487
They mostly just wanted cheap labor. Of course. the ethnic Catholics were also brought over as cheap labor or cannon fodder to be used against the South.

[Anonymous No.17193543]

>>17192927

I hope you step away from the ledge, my friend

[Anonymous No.17193550]

>>17193539
Read E Michael Jones. Yes they wanted cheap labor. And they also wanted to break up the Catholic communities so they'd lose political power.

[Anonymous No.17193552]

>>17193522
>>17193524
It’s legitimately not though. Sorry black men fucking white women is not destroying our civilization. Unless you count covid we are not on decline, and even that isn’t going to destroy our civilization.

[Anonymous No.17193553]

>>17193538
No Schlomo, my country is led by international bankers who do not represent the people. The people do not want these wars, nor these invaders.

[Anonymous No.17193554]

>>17193552
Try harder to bait retard

[Anonymous No.17193560]

>>17193552
>It’s legitimately not though. Sorry black men fucking white women is not destroying our civilization. Unless you count covid we are not on decline, and even that isn’t going to destroy our civilization.

[Anonymous No.17193570]

>>17193550
The Catholic communities were only there as cheap labor in the first place. Why should they be trying to break WASP political power?

[Anonymous No.17193578]

>>17193570
Holy shit dumbass learn 2 read.
PLEASE just check out E Michael Jones he explains exactly why. I'm not replying to any more of your posts.

[Anonymous No.17193580]

>>17193553
The people payed taxes so your military could bomb civilians and rape their way across the middle east. Your people and your government are responsible. The people still elected those people and your partially responsible for what the people you voted for do.

[Anonymous No.17193584]

>>17193525
What if you just didn't naturalize them while still making money of cheap labor like all non-Western wealthy countries do?

[Anonymous No.17193586]

>>17193580

[Anonymous No.17193588]

>>17193580
This has to be bait.
>Durr they took your money at gunpoint to pay for bombing the middle east that means you have to take in 10 billion somalis

[Anonymous No.17193590]

>>17193580
No Schlomo, my country is led by international bankers who do not represent the people. The people do not want these wars, nor these invaders.

[Anonymous No.17193601]

>>17193578
I already know E. Michael Jones resentful Irish take on the matter, I just think it's funny that cheap laborers who wanted to break another ethnic groups' political power are complaining about other cheap laborers breaking their political power.

[Anonymous No.17193608]

>>17193588
Your people elected them in the first place. That makes them partially responsible.

[Anonymous No.17193613]

>>17193608
They were misled. You sound like a victim blamer, misogynist.

[Anonymous No.17193622]

>>17193590
Sorry dude you can’t blame this one on the Jews. The people in your country should have elected anti-war candidates.

[Anonymous No.17193623]

>>17193608

[Anonymous No.17193624]

>>17192927
He’s 100% right and he puts a very careful argument forth that can’t be dismissed for muh bigotry

[Anonymous No.17193632]

>>17193622
Bye, Schlomo.

[Anonymous No.17193633]

>>17192927
>includes turkey

What a retard

[Anonymous No.17193634]

>>17193613
They were mislead because they were uninformed. Chomsky knew and so did plenty others.

[Anonymous No.17193635]

>>17193622
There are no anti war candidates you mongoloid. They're all ran by the same capitalists and bankers, just with a different coat of paint.

[Anonymous No.17193641]

>>17193634

[Anonymous No.17193642]

>>17193634
I find it funny you bring up Chomsky who wrote "Manufacturing Consent" particularly about this topic but completely ignore what he said.

[Anonymous No.17193657]

I know the guys here are clearly baiting but the fact people actually believe what they're saying is mind boggling.

[Anonymous No.17193683]

>>17193516
You dont think mass immigration of low IQ brown people is going to destroy thr west?

[Anonymous No.17193689]

>>17193683
The West has already fallen if this is happening without any resistance.

[Anonymous No.17193696]

>>17193689
That doesn't mean it can't decline any further. You'd be surprised how much worse it can get.

[Anonymous No.17193697]

>>17193689
Its never too late really. Im not sure if something will happen, but it could.

[Anonymous No.17193712]

>>17193608
Do you also think that all Muslims have partial responsibility for Islamic terrorism?

[Anonymous No.17193714]

>>17193689
You're in for a fucking treat this year. People are so economically illiterate they think you can just hit the pause button on an economy.

Lmfao

[Anonymous No.17193725]

>>17193714
you kind of can, people built back remarkably quickly after getting their countries gutted in wars for example. The problem is much deeper than a pause, the problem is structural, baked into the laws and financial system.

[Anonymous No.17193728]

>>17193683
Not exactly. The oil shiekdoms for example function with 30-90% migrant workforces. They won't even naturalize other Arabs for fear that they would start promoting republicanism in some form. These are perfectly functional societies. The problem in the West is one of naturalization for vote banking, refusal to punish bad behavior among migrants, and continually losing money due to giving their children access to the welfare state.

[Anonymous No.17193744]

>>17193728
The difference is that there, the natives don't interbreed and intermingle with the migrants. That's why those societies "function" if you want to call it that. Multiculturalism and multi-ethnicism as practiced in the west do not work.

[Anonymous No.17193764]

>>17193744
"What if we just didn't encourage interbreeding in all our media?"

[Anonymous No.17193765]

>>17192984
Why should Europe accept migrants?

[Anonymous No.17193768]

>>17193725
>you kind of can, people built back remarkably quickly after getting their countries gutted in wars for example
You mean white people rebuild their countries if nogs rebuilt their countries after wars this mass migration wouldn't exist.

[Anonymous No.17193777]

>>17193764
There's an issue with a certain demographic that runs the media.

[Anonymous No.17193784]

>>17193744
The natives in the west don't mingle either, it would actually be less tense if they did. All multicult metropolises are extremely racially segregated. The other anon is right, it's about democratic incentives.

[Anonymous No.17193790]

>gay atheist apostate from Christianity
>complains that empty churches are being turned into mosques

Lol

[Anonymous No.17193800]

Things will get worse before they COULD get better.

[Anonymous No.17193808]

>>17193790
Murray is a Jew not an apostate from Christianity.

[Anonymous No.17193817]

>>17193784
>The natives in the west don't mingle either, it would actually be less tense if they did
Huh what if they had not been encouraged to not mingle by the same people that brought the invaders here? Oh wait those are related.
>All multicult metropolises are extremely racially segregated. The other anon is right, it's about democratic incentives.
Which is why they're even worse than homogenic metropolises. And those are not mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.17193830]

>>17193784
It's tense because we don't punish bad behavior and so Africans, Arabs etc. feel they can get away with anything and natives start to resent this. Crime rates among some of these groups are actually higher in Europe than at home because at home you get your hand cut off or something for robbery whereas in Europe or the US you're declared to be a victim of poverty.

[Anonymous No.17193843]

>>17193725
>you kind of can
No you quite literally can't.

Comparing certain countries being able to rebuild vs this is retarded, completely different.

People are in for a rude awakening this year

[Anonymous No.17193896]

>>17193843
If you replaced the US government with a military dictatorship they could rebuild easily, it would just be messy. The system as it is can't rebuild.

[Anonymous No.17193907]

>>17193830
I'm aware but anarcho-tyranny and mass immigration are themselves incentivized by democracy

[Anonymous No.17193920]

>>17193896
That's how it was intended

[Anonymous No.17193930]

>>17193896
It wouldn't work very well, not enough high-IQ people in the military to run a functional dictatorship. They'd also face massive resistance from the civil service who would claim that the dictatorship was genociding (insert victim group here) and needed to be overthrown immediately (to give the civil service power again). You need to simply fire everyone in the government and randomly hire new civil servants based on qualifications and IQ tests.

[Anonymous No.17193943]

>>17193920
True, the federal government was designed to be self-sabotaging so as to not interfere with the states or business too much. Through gradual centralization the federal government has much more power than in the past, so more stuff has to be done through the intentionally bad system.

[Anonymous No.17193978]

>>17193216
The migrants don't want to be here either, save for the gibs and white women. Destabilizing regions and then inviting the people from those regions that you just destabilized to your country isn't a good idea. It doesn't take being a genius to understand this, so of course world leaders know it too, suggesting that there's an ulterior motive for it, and that motive is entirely economical in nature--propping up the monetary Ponzi scheme as long as possible at the expense of a citizenry that is too stupid and content with the way things are to do anything.

[Anonymous No.17193987]

>>17193930
The civil service wouldn't exist if we replaced Usgov with a military dictatorship lol

[Anonymous No.17193991]

>>17193978
>suggesting that there's an ulterior motive for it, and that motive is entirely economical in nature

We can't pay boomerbux with a declining population, but we can't reverse a declining population without rolling back women's rights. Since women's rights can't be rolled back, migration is the next best option.

[Anonymous No.17194006]

>>17193987
The hard part is actually getting to military dictatorship. Even if one was proclaimed they would probably still find ways to defer to the civil service or SCOTUS.

[Anonymous No.17194013]

>>17193991
>we can't reverse a declining population without rolling back women's rights.
That's a false dichotomy

[Anonymous No.17194020]

>>17193943
Based anon. I’ve never really seen anyone say this before besides myself.
The federal government doesn’t get anything done because it wasn’t meant to be able to get anything done. It’s designed to prevent sweeping changes over short time periods. And by short I mean at least a decade. No one Presidential administration should ever be able to radically alter the nation. Slowing the process down to a crawl basically ensures that everyone gets a say (I know, we are powerless to the elites, but it’s a testament to the genius of the founders that we are still so free here when so many have tried so hard to enslave us)

[Anonymous No.17194026]

>>17194006
it would have to be an actual break, like the founding of the USSR, just throw away the old system entirely

[Anonymous No.17194039]

>>17194020
The key thing here is that the state governments actually ARE supposed to get things done. However, this has largely been abrogated, in order to prevent the states from being racist. I'm being a bit flippant here but it's essentially accurate.

>>17194013
You really can't though.

[Anonymous No.17194055]

>>17194039
>You really can't though.
How about not reversing the decline but also not importing immigrants? My country is more than overpopulates as it is.

[Anonymous No.17194058]

>>17194026
Yeah but military guys don't go for that sort of thing, they would be the ones claiming to restore Our Constitutional Republic and would then bring democracy back in like 20 years (that's what Our Founders would want) and then the left would be back in power in like 40 years. Chile basically did this exact process recently, none of the changes to the Constitution they made really mattered in the end.

[Anonymous No.17194071]

>>17193393
kys christcuck. christianity is what brought this upon europe

[Anonymous No.17194082]

>>17194055
Can't not pay boomerbux because boomer government employees will remove you from power, have to get the population size back up. Can't do that without reversing women's rights, but you can't roll that back without women voting you out. So you're stuck with migrants but then you'll have to contend with Arab parties etc. (or go the route of the US where the Dems are the Black Party along with self-appointed carers about the blacks). You could end democracy but that would be fascist. At any rate, you're in a bit of a bind.

[Anonymous No.17194095]

>>17194058
>Yeah but military guys don't go for that sort of thing
I'm sure there are enough of them that would go for it, whole lot of guys in the military, and the entire way it's structured means they follow chain of command so the guy on top really has a lot of authority. I obviously don't envision this happening or can even imagine how it would happen.

[Anonymous No.17194106]

>>17194039
>You really can't though.
Israel can somehow. Has anyone ever written a convincing explanation of their 3+ fertility rate? I've seen a bit of handwaving about it but nothing very compelling.

[Anonymous No.17194114]

>>17194082
Stop sperging, it's not as black and white as you want it to be. My country is overpopulated, if we remove migrants the cost of taking care of them can pay for the boomers.

[Anonymous No.17194129]

>>17194114
Don't know what country you're from but I don't think you grasp the magnitude of boomerbux that are due to be paid out in the next few decades.

[Anonymous No.17194157]

I'm "white" and I genuinely don't get the massive insecurity and fear espoused by people over this topic.

Why do you give so much of a shit that "your race" retains majority in the country of your residence, or continent of your birth?

Is this some misguided sense of pride in the accomplishments of people who looked like you did or some continuous fear that your countries will turn into South Africa and you will be hunted down and killed like animals? You have to wonder if people aren't projecting hard when they think about the 2nd one since they did these things to blacks and aboriginals.

Hey, if you're gonna share the glory of people in the past, share their blame too motherfucker.

Have you ever thought that the reason you feel that whites are so hated is because of the immense amount of pushback by racists like you on racial issues? Black people have suffered so much under the iron thumb of the US alone that its staggering. If you were all there on day 1 supporting their struggle, there wouldn't be any racial tension at all. Like Moldbug said, by choosing to become a white nationalist, you are shining a beacon directly onto yourself and marking yourself as a hostile. That's on you.

[Anonymous No.17194170]

>>17194157
It's to avoid Lebanon or god forbid South Africa

[Anonymous No.17194199]

>>17194157
>Have you ever thought that the reason you feel that whites are so hated is because of the immense amount of pushback by racists like you on racial issues?
I just hate the whole hypocrisy of the issue, people believing that racism isn't a two-way street.
>"It's okay when I do it!"

[Anonymous No.17194213]

>>17194157
Just because you have no ethnic identity, doesn't mean no one else has. The shortsightedness of this post is staggering. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

[Anonymous No.17194238]

>>17194157
>Have you ever thought that the reason you feel that whites are so hated is because of the immense amount of pushback by racists like you on racial issues? Black people have suffered so much under the iron thumb of the US alone that its staggering.
Jews in the US were among the biggest supporters of black causes and blacks ran them out of their own neighborhoods in much of the North once they moved there. Many of them hate Jews and view them as the white people of white people. So in fact no, I don't think that is true.

[Anonymous No.17194249]

>>17193632
2 real 2 swallow

[Anonymous No.17194256]

>>17194157
>I'm "white"
So you're jewish?

[Anonymous No.17194274]

>>17194157
>Hey, if you're gonna share the glory of people in the past, share their blame too motherfucker.
I do share the blame of keeping even a single one of the shitskins alive.

>Black people have suffered so much under the iron thumb of the US alone that its staggering. If you were all there on day 1 supporting their struggle
they have have suffered so much, they literally have it better than any other nigger country

[Anonymous No.17194370]

>>17194256
No I put it in quotes because the term is worthless and not a true unifier. I'm Slavic, I have absolutely nothing in common with Swedes, they are fucking alien to me.

Same shit with the French etc.

You aren't "my people".

[Anonymous No.17194383]

>>17194370
So you're okay with slavic peoples being replaced by africans and arabs in their countries?

[Anonymous No.17194400]

>>17194370
Are you ok with Swedes replacing Slavs in your country?

[Anonymous No.17194414]

>>17194383
It's a dumb question because it's not reality anywhere. Becoming a minority status is not replacement and isn't tantamount to genocide in any sense of the word.

How do you have such low confidence in yourself that the moment you share a country with someone who doesn't look like you, you've already considered yourself replaced? Sounds like ethnic pride is a load of bullshit, and is equal to LGBT "pride" where it's just a false sense of security to mask the insecurity, like all identity politics is.

[Anonymous No.17194420]

>>17194370
I encourage you to take a "vacation" to the US and visit Baltimore, New Orleans, Philadelphia, etc. Then you will understand.

[Anonymous No.17194423]

>>17194414
are you ok with Slavs becoming a minority in your country, your city, your neighborhood, replaced byrandom assortments of other peoples?

[Anonymous No.17194430]

>>17192984
All migrants should be destroyed

[Anonymous No.17194435]

>>17194414
>It's a dumb question because it's not reality anywhere.
That's why it's a hypothetical. Answer the question assuming it's hypothetic. Are you okay with being replaced by blacks and arabs in your own country, hypothetically?
>Becoming a minority status is not replacement and isn't tantamount to genocide in any sense of the word.
Yes it is if those people who replace you have higher birth rates and thus will eventually outbreed you. Disingenuous.
>How do you have such low confidence in yourself that the moment you share a country with someone who doesn't look like you, you've already considered yourself replaced?
If there were a few, no problem. But kids in primary schools are already more than 1/3 non-native here in the west. That will only increase.
>Sounds like ethnic pride is a load of bullshit, and is equal to LGBT "pride" where it's just a false sense of security to mask the insecurity, like all identity politics is.
Sounds like you live in a bubble.

[Anonymous No.17194451]

>>17194423
>replaced
There's that word again. Why do you have such low confidence in your master race, bro?

>>17194420
Segregation and lack of accountability with policing and the failure of liberal social programs is responsible for the sordid state of ghettos.

[Anonymous No.17194461]

>>17194435
Why do you write in the most obnoxious way possible? I can't imagine anyone actually reads posts when they quote and respond to individual sentences like some spaz.

[Anonymous No.17194470]

>>17194451
>replaced
What else would you call it if your people are decreasing while other peoples are increasing? If you take an apple and put a pear in its place, you have replaced the apple.

[Anonymous No.17194473]

>>17193538
>And now your country has a responsibility to give them homes
Nope

[Anonymous No.17194475]

>>17194451
I said are you ok with Slavs becoming a minority, let's say you become a minority because of immigrating Swedes and Kenyans(whatever). Is that fine with you?

[Anonymous No.17194476]

>>17194461
Why don't you just answer the question, faggot

[Anonymous No.17194477]

>>17194435
not the guy you're responsding to, but as someone who is also ethnically slav the whole "white identity" shit is kind of a hard self when your hero wanted to get rid of slavs for the sake of expanding Lebensraum just a few decades ago

[Anonymous No.17194483]

>>17194435
>That's why it's a hypothetical. Answer the question assuming it's hypothetic. Are you okay with being replaced by blacks and arabs in your own country, hypothetically?
If it's nothing by a hypothetical, why do you even need me to? Give the answer you want me to yourself and play out your little argument for me. We can both save him.

>Yes it is if those people who replace you have higher birth rates and thus will eventually outbreed you. Disingenuous.
Birth rates are dynamic, lol. If you cared even a bit to look at the state of Africa as a whole, you'd see a mass variance in birth rates between their countries despite all being majority black. You call yourself redpilled but you're as intellectually lazy as it gets.

>If there were a few, no problem. But kids in primary schools are already more than 1/3 non-native here in the west. That will only increase.
This goes beyond race and is a city problem because liberal elites are dumbshits who tend to auto-segregate people for the worse and concentrate immigration heavily into the cities by default.

>Sounds like you live in a bubble.
The sheer irony of this /pol/cyst babble. Go outside your "red-pilled" comfort zone sometime, champ.

[Anonymous No.17194488]

>>17194483
*we can both save time

[Anonymous No.17194489]

>>17194476
I'm not the person you're talking to you dumb bastard. I have no idea what you're talking about because I don't read people who don't know how to write at a high school level.

[Anonymous No.17194493]

>>17193478
Jude

[Anonymous No.17194505]

>>17194489
If you can't understand that post you are genuinely very dumb

[Anonymous No.17194508]

>>17194477
>If it's nothing by a hypothetical, why do you even need me to? Give the answer you want me to yourself and play out your little argument for me. We can both save him.
Just answer the question, faggot
>Birth rates are dynamic, lol.
There are no reasons to assume current trends will change.
>This goes beyond race and is a city problem because liberal elites are dumbshits who tend to auto-segregate people for the worse and concentrate immigration heavily into the cities by default.
No, the problem is that they're here at all. Spreading them over the country will only make the rest of the country into a shithole as well.
>The sheer irony of this /pol/cyst babble. Go outside your "red-pilled" comfort zone sometime, champ.
Show your nose, Schlomo.
>>17194477
Do you want to be replaced by blacks and arabs in your own country?

[Anonymous No.17194513]

>>17194505
I didn't say I couldn't understand though, did I? I said I didn't read it. But yeah, I'm the dumb one.

[Anonymous No.17194514]

>>17194451
>Segregation and lack of accountability with policing and the failure of liberal social programs is responsible for the sordid state of ghettos.
yeah no other common variable we can look at there. absolutely nothing jumping out at you

[Anonymous No.17194525]

>>17194513
I'm sure you can understand it sweatie, you just don't want to

[Anonymous No.17194526]

>>17194157
>>17194370
>>17194414
>>17194483

[Anonymous No.17194529]

>>17192984
>all migrants should be destroyed
There seldom any wrong in this sentiment given the results from the crisis.

[Anonymous No.17194550]

>>17194508
>There are no reasons to assume current trends will change.

oh no no no no my /pol/toid babble is crumbling aaaahhhh!!

[Anonymous No.17194561]

>>17194550
All that matters is if native birth rates stay low, first gen immigrants have higher birth rates, and immigration continues.

[Anonymous No.17194567]

>>17194550
Stop being disingenuous, Schlomo. First, the UN is one of the organisations that pushes migration and replacement. Second, while overall it may decline, I'm talking about natives relative to migrants. There's no reason to assume the number of migrants won't keep increasing, and that their birth rates suddenly drop below that of natives.

[Anonymous No.17194568]

>>17194550
so what? their birthrate declining doesn't mean we shouldn't help in reducing their numbers further

[Anonymous No.17194576]

>>17192927
I have this book lads, should I read it?

I read the first few pages but got too pissed off, I'm right wing but it's just demoralising to see how fucked the west is likely to become in future.

[Anonymous No.17194583]

>>17194576
Yes, you need to know what you're up against. If you want something really demoralising, read Guillaume Faye.

[Anonymous No.17194585]

>>17194550
>UN has magic future-telling technology

[Anonymous No.17194593]

>>17194071
Liberal Christianity isn't Christianity, smoothbrain. Traditional Christians are the only people in the West with coherent communities, healthy in-group preferences, strong moral structures, and positive birthrates.

[Anonymous No.17194604]

>>17194593
Mormons have all that and they definitely aren't trad lol

[Anonymous No.17194609]

Glad I don’t live in Europe. To some extent I’m interested in checking out the homeland, but it seems to have gone rotten decades ago and will just get worse and less European. Sucks

[Anonymous No.17194612]

>>17194567
>>17194561
again, retards, a city problem

people aren't having kids because their careers demand all of their time and immigrants to cities have a natural safety net for a while and allow them to be coddled and procreate with less pressure. Of course that doesn't last and these immigrants tend to become lower class citizens because the government eventually stops protecting them and you get segregation and resentment.

race isn't the problem, it's the massive social programs instituted by the left that are crippling the infrastructure in place. remove them and birth rates settle themselves and you wouldn't have upper class people ("whites") looking like they are being replaced lmao

[Anonymous No.17194619]

>>17194612
Whites are inferior to non-whites if they have less kids than non-whites

[Anonymous No.17194626]

>>17194451
Crime went up in Baltimore when policing was made more "accountable" (read: it was reduced), just like it has gone up in major US cities this summer when calls for "accountability" led to policing being reduced.

[Anonymous No.17194640]

>>17194612
>race isn't the problem, it's the massive social programs instituted by the left that are crippling the infrastructure in place.
Those are both problems. Don't be disingenuous.
>remove them and birth rates settle themselves and you wouldn't have upper class people ("whites") looking like they are being replaced lmao
If by them you mean migrants then yes, that would solve things.

[Anonymous No.17194641]

>>17194604
Mormonism has admirable communities, true, but it's a bizarro spinoff born of 19th century Anglo-American thought divorced from Tradition. It has its own weird internal division between conservative factions and progressive factions. The exception doesn't prove the rule.

The only European children being born from Gen Z are going to be by and large in Traditional Christian families.

[Anonymous No.17194648]

>>17194626
I'm not a lefty so don't attempt to blue lives matter me, bro.

I'm not interested in the retard-tier demands progressives are making in regards to the police and I wouldn't be for them. I'm for 100% privatizing police forces so there's actual accountability going on and the faggot pig who murders someone while on the job can face actual consequences like being fired and blacklisted from the profession, instead of hiding behind a government security net.

[Anonymous No.17194649]

>>17194612
Why should I even have to compete with others in my home country? Your entire premise is false.

[Anonymous No.17194651]

>>17194612
>again, retards, a city problem
It's a problem in the entire country if you look at the actual birth rates per race. You cannot deny that if native birth rates stay low, immigration continues, and those first gen immigrants have a higher birth rate, all of which are occurring now and show no sign of stopping, then the natives will dwindle both absolutely and as a percentage.

[Anonymous No.17194658]

>>17194651
He's what lefties would call a bad faith actor.

[Anonymous No.17194668]

>>17194648
In the US "accountable" means federalized, but otherwise I'd basically agree with you.

[Anonymous No.17194713]

>>17194668
this is Canada but I found it rather amusing and there are equivalents in the US, remember how much talk there was about body cams a while ago?
https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/news/opinion/why-body-cameras-for-police-are-a-bad-idea/333449

Whole lot of blather. Of course the real reason they don't want bodycams is the same reason San Francisco won't release footage of crimes on the BART
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/07/09/bart-withholding-surveillance-videos-of-crime-to-avoid-stereotypes/

[Anonymous No.17194714]

immigrant birth rates are irrelevant when 300k+ of them are arriving each year.

[Anonymous No.17194726]

>>17193115
>>17193136
>>17193172
>>17193179
>>17193246
>>17193251
>>17193261
>>17193270
what does "technocratic" mean and why is it a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.17194746]

>>17194726
Look up the definition and you'll know, but migration is the real issue

[Anonymous No.17194753]

>>17194726
Technology sucks

[Anonymous No.17194771]

>>17194746
>a decision-maker or makers are elected by the population or appointed on the basis of their expertise in a given area of responsibility, particularly with regard to scientific or technical knowledge
Okay so who else should run things if not people who have expertise about the specific areas they are running?
We should just have random retards running things?

[Anonymous No.17194785]

>>17194771
Because it only works like that in theory

[Anonymous No.17194797]

>>17194771
Why do you want to be ruled by an evil class of elites via technology?

[Anonymous No.17194806]

>>17194771
technocrats are cynical and are willing to fuck over everyone if their "expertise" demands it. besides, day to day operations are already run by experts, we're talking about big wig politicians here

[Anonymous No.17194815]

>>17194713
Yeah we had it as well, body cams were antiracist and meant to catch the dastardly police abusing black bodies, then when we got to look at body cam footage it became obvious that there was powerful niggardry at work in most cases, then body cams became racist spying on black bodies or something. It has apparently not occurred to anyone to just say that blacks need to behave better because they're committing too many crimes which makes people reluctant to hire or live near them.

[Anonymous No.17194821]

>>17194785
So what is technocracy in practice?
>>17194797
I don't want to.
>>17194806
So the problem is not with the experts but with the politicians themselves?

[Anonymous No.17194831]

>>17194821
Like our current system but worse. I suggest you read that book by Ellul.

[Anonymous No.17195229]

>>17194157
Imagine not being concerned by the fact that your race is being systematically targeted for disenfranchisement in a country built by YOUR ancestors for their descendants (that means you).
Naive fool.

[Anonymous No.17195245]

>>17194771
There is no such thing as an “expert”

[Anonymous No.17195258]

>>17195229
He was just talking shit anyway, when asked straight up if he would mind if slavs became a minority in his country due to immigration he didn't even respond.

[Anonymous No.17195261]

>>17193115
What does clancy brown have to do with this?

[Anonymous No.17195266]

>>17194157
>y do people have in-group preference Hur Dur

[Anonymous No.17195287]

>>17194157
>If you were all there on day 1 supporting their struggle, there wouldn't be any racial tension at all.

Idealistic nonsense. As long as people are different, such tension exists.

[Anonymous No.17195853]

>>17194831
I will read it.
But I still find it interesting that none of you could even define technocracy for me. I see it thrown around as an epithet but never seen it defined as the definition online doesn’t seem to correspond with what you guys talk about.
I will read it though and find out for myself.

[Anonymous No.17196286]

>>17193280
Swedes are cowards, they will never go against their government. Only thing that sucks more is that their women are the most promiscuous and least loyal in the Western sphere, soon it'll be impossible to find a swedish woman who hasn't been with an arab or a black. Insult to injury.

[Anonymous No.17196299]

>>17193001
>Why are there black people in Europe?"
Chinese policy of displacement.

[Anonymous No.17196305]

>>17195245
This. 2020 should have brought everyone to this conclusion.

[Anonymous No.17196533]

>>17194619
THIS
You guys cry and cry about being replaced but don't even have a rate of kids per woman of 2+, of course you're gonna get replaced. Have 2-3 kids on average and boom problem solved.

>we can't bc muh money
Doesn't seem to stop any other race in the West

[Anonymous No.17196588]

>>17194157
Holy bait

[Anonymous No.17196594]

>>17196286
Everything you just said is wrong. Are you just that depressed and blackpilled? Or are you actively trying to demoralise?

[Anonymous No.17196604]

>>17196594
Give a single shred of evidence he's wrong and things will change for the Scandi nations

[Anonymous No.17196618]

>>17196594
Do you actively look at the underbelly of your society? (Assuming you are swedish), i did. Sweden's gone. Swedes are modern Neroes, playing their flutes while their country burns.

[Anonymous No.17197317]

>>17193478
The majority of refugees are economic

[Anonymous No.17197351]

Since this thread is not about the book anyway, let me say this.
I am far more worried about the ongoing export and invasion of American cultural values into Europe than I am worried about migrants or demographic change.

[Anonymous No.17197392]

>>17192992
>Turkey is included in Europe
This is the worst meme in the world. As soon as a writer gives credence to it I NOPE right out of there

[Anonymous No.17197516]

>>17197351
This.
Rescuing European demographics will mean nothing if they have been polluted by the degeneracy of American culture.

[Anonymous No.17198027]

>>17197351

CIA exported gay ops are what lead to open borders.

[Anonymous No.17198120]

>>17193525
I thought kids had gone back to schools already?

[Anonymous No.17198275]

>>17193516
>Civilization isn’t on decline you fucking retarded chuds. Holy shit have sex.

[Anonymous No.17198370]

>>17197351
The single biggest delusion perpetuated by Europeans is that these are “American values” and they’re simply being exported to you. It’s not true. One day you will be forced to wake up and grapple with that reality as uncomfortable as it may be.

[Anonymous No.17198381]

>>17198370
What reality?

[Anonymous No.17198388]

Unironically, if the future of Western nations is just 'america part 2 with even more racial issues and financial insurability' then how do any of you find the motivation to read? Lots of people larp as if they're going to move to eastern Europe, but then they'd be a foreigner there too

[Anonymous No.17198464]

The real blackpill is looking at demographics for under 15 year olds.
The absolute best case scenario is that western Europe becomes some 56% muttland without any culture or history.

[Anonymous No.17198510]

>>17198388
there's no america part 2, we're going straight to brazil 2 brother
all political options are gone, unless you're a schemer to the core. the future of politics will be about routing minority resentment, bribing clan members, wearing a janus mask in all matters pertaining to religious/ethnic identity and managing decline
the managerial european elite will necessarily go through a jewification process. we're currently selecting for covert ethnocentrism and the ability to sloganeer. once these elites are completely demographically outnumbered they'll have to flee the scene (china?) or stop with politics completely
find the motivation to read by simply accepting these truths, just like you have to accept other sad realities of life

[Anonymous No.17198630]

>>17198510
Meh I'd say something different than Brazil. Brazil is mixed but not due to (recent) migrations

[Anonymous No.17198684]

>>17198381
That it’s not true. Did you not read what I clearly wrote in plain English? It’s not true that this is all just an American export.

[Anonymous No.17198713]

>>17198464
Unless there’s some sort of massive inter-mixing of cultures on the scale of several hundred years worth like in America its impossible for Western Europe to become like America for reasons I don’t need to go into a full essay about. Even if that were the case, it would still be an advantageous position to America. America has certain advantages and qualities over Europe which should be admired but there are other aspects which the revolutionary roots of the New World make it impossible to compare to Europe. It can never happen. Europe could cover its roots very well, but it cannot sever them. Americans severed theres. Totally.

[Anonymous No.17198824]

>>17198713
>Europe could cover its roots very well, but it cannot sever them.
No need to do that, just poison the roots and bring more vibrant, diverse roots in to replace them :D

[Anonymous No.17198860]

>>17198824
It doesn’t matter. The roots are there. Only by totally removing the roots can create something new and Europe can’t possibly achieve that. This is why America rose to economic and industrial prominence so quickly. China sends its citizens to re-education camps to cover up those roots and indoctrinate them into the new Chinese garden, however, they can’t dig up those roots no matter how hard they try. America not only dug up those roots but destroyed all the seeds and set fire to the garden and the indoctrination ideology poisons whatever new greed, not that anything real could anyway. It achieves without even trying what a communist revolution only dreams of.

[Anonymous No.17198870]

>>17198684
> this is all
First, define what you are talking about.

[Anonymous No.17200455]

>>17194451
Aliens show up tomorrow and kill everyone on earth. In their place they put a bunch of humanoid robots or insects or whatever wandering around pretending to do stuff.

You have been replaced. What's the big deal, bro? You racist against aliens or something?